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New Processors Are Now Blocked From Receiving Updates On Old Windows (arstechnica.com)
halfEvilTech writes: Last year, Microsoft announced they were planning on blocking OS updates on newer Intel CPU's, namely the 7th Generation Kaby Lake processors. Ars Technica reports: "Now, the answer appears to be 'this month.' Users of new processors running old versions of Windows are reporting that their updates are being blocked. The block means that systems using these processors are no longer receiving security updates." While Windows 7 has already ended mainstream support, the same can't be said for Windows 8.1 which is still on mainstream support until January of next year.
Keep it up...and you'll push more and more people to either keep their current PC's, or switch to alternative processors and computers. MS wants ALL PC's running windows 10...once they figure they can't push any further, they will start their subscription service.
I haven't installed an update for Windows 7 since 2015.
Monopoly something something. Predatory blahblahblah. I'm fed up! If Microsoft is going to lock me down, I'll go to Apple where I say thank you for 10X the abuse. Even better, I'm going to install Linux now and never look back! I put it on my grandmother's PC and she didn't even know the difference!
Time to get a hypervisor running with Win 7 and OSX. Buy an AMD card for graphics passthrough and have the best of both worlds.
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
New Windows Are Now Blocked From Receiving Drive Space On My Personal Computers.
It still works with any Update Solution but WindowsUpdate (ie ManageEngine or any other patch management)...
https://tech.slashdot.org/stor...
I see even a month is too long for our memories now.
"The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers."
While I have been planning to get a Ryzen 1800X, those plans are now shelved. My FX8350 is good enough. There is no way in hell I am installing Microsofts spyware (Win10) until it has either become clear how to reliably and permanently block all "telemetry" or the EU has finally managed to enforce European privacy laws against them, which, among other things, means that _all_ data collection is subject to approval and must be "off" by default.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
To pc's what they did to older windows phones?? Colour me surprised! Upgrade/ use the hardware we recommend or lose support is the new MA mantra, keep going MS, I had to toss my windows phone because of your lack of support, I've been on Mint for years, the only reason you are still relevant is your entrenched business portfolio, and even that is slipping away.
compatibility. WINE and DOSBox have always done better than Microsoft.
So for example, does this just block the PC from reaching the Updates service, or is it baked into the KB itself?
It seems like in a managed environment where one might have a WSUS server running, this could be bypassed if it's not the KB itself. Many organizations, for many reasons (good and bad) use older versions of Windows, and this could be a serious issue.
Mod -10, Troll
That's infoar some Microsoft only claims to care about one version back.
As if the Internet now cares about anything other than United beating Asians.
Its good you live in your own little bubble where anybody that has something on a 10 year old computer deserves to lose it.
Im going to guess you just wanna "make computing great again"
Microsoft users are just being disruptive and belligerent. Microsoft has the right to kick them off their computers any time they want, and to send in the jack booted thugs if the user will not go quietly.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
I take it back. I tried Linux and it sucked. Never mind.
We had to start running Linux because of compatibility problems with DOS programs. It's sad when Linux is better than Microsoft at their own programs.
at backwards compatibility. We have restaurants in several Microsoft buildings so we have to still support MSIE 6. As we've been told, we are doing a better job at supporting them for lunch orders than Microsoft does in general. Microsoft's poor support of backwards compatibility keeps them from working.
We have to stick with I.E. 6 since so many internal system don't support newer.
I take it back. I reinstalled Windows and it sucked worse than Linux. Never mind.
Here at my team at MSFT, we're about to try other options since corporate has given us conflicting requirements.
i believe the same solution could apply to you, clearly you are 12 and have lived past the expiration date.
"broken and/or generally sucked" isn't nearly specific enough for me to know what you didn't like and what you might like instead. I also have no indication of your use case. Are you primarily doing network and security testing (consider Kali), gaming, music and multimedia production? What I can do is point out three general concepts or guidelines.
Different distributions have a very different balance between cutting edge new features and reliability. For example, nothing goes into Red Hat / CentOS until it has first been proven reliable on Fedora for a couple of years. Fedora has brand new stuff, which may not be as polished and reliable; CentOS has time-tested stuff that works. Fedora has frequent upgrades and doesn't maintain support for old versions. Red Hat / CentOS isn't meant to be upgraded as often, they support old versions much longer. Figure out what you want on that spectrum. That relates to the next guideline.
You said you use Linux servers "all the time". Probably those servers are using a stable distro such as CentOS. If you are very familiar with one distro because it's on all your servers, consider using the distro you already know on your desktop too. Even if you take a couple hours getting all your specific hardware configured just how you like it, avoiding the learning curve of a new distro may be worth it.
Someone who produces music for a living will probably prefer a very different distro or spin than someone who does network penetration testing. Consider looking at spins or distros designed for your specific use-case. Even if your use case isn't that specific, some distros are designed for newbies coming from Windows, and make easy things easy by presenting limited options. Others are designed for more advanced users who want to tinker and set their multiple mouse wheels to trigger different actions depending on context. Android and Chrome OS vs Debian are extreme examples. ChromeOS is super easy and everything just works, correctly. Of course "everything" is basically "the browser". Debian can run my custom-designed PCI-E card much easier than Chrome OS can. Figure out your use case, then research or ask in an appropriate forum.
The corollary to the above is that any answers to "what's the best Linux distribution" are probably wrong, for your needs. Cent OS meets MY needs quite well, but my needs may be totally different from your needs. I don't give a damn about nifty eye candy like translucent windows and window animations. I turn that shit off anyway for better performance and memory usage. Maybe you are an artsy, visual type of person and you love window animations.
There is no technical reason to stop this. If they are still putting out patches for their OS, arbitrarily picking CPUs that dont get updates should not be accepted, and a class action suit should be filed.
I take it back. I bought the latest Macbook and am now an insufferable tool to everyone I meet.
Ubuntu: The leading operating system for PCs, tablets, phones, IoT ...
Switched 18 months ago, "just to try". Now I'm still here, and could be happier. Of course, if you are a hard-core gamer...
New Processors Are Now Blocked From Receiving Updates On Old Windows
Shouldn't that be:
Old Windows is now blocked from receiving updates [when running] on new processors
?
systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
t box are retards.
*puts on flameproof suit*
And that crazy flow-chart of decisions that need to be worked through before it's even worth investing time into a given distro enough to learn it well enough that you know why it's not actually going to work for you after all and you need to start the whole asinine process over again... It's precisely why Linux of any flavor makes for a horribly sad excuse of a desktop.
The real flow chart is much simplier than you're describing: If what you want to do is dick around with your OS all day, then by all means run Linux as your desktop. If you're anyone else whatsoever (you know, someone who's actually productive or even just wants to play video games and watch p0rn), then don't run Linux. Windows or Mac, even Android, but not Linux.
Hell, for 99% of "Linux users" I kid you not, Windows + Cygwin makes a massively more functional "Linux Workstation" than any Linux distro on earth: All the "it just works" hardware drivers, games, software, etc with nearly all the power of a real Unix shell environment as well as very solid cross-talk between the two (unlike Window's new Ubuntu subsystem, such crap...). Ok, ok so I'm exaggerating a bit: It's no where near 1% of Linux desktop users that wouldn't be far, far better off running Windows + Cygwin because only a tiny fraction of 1% are doing any deep systems level programming on the Linux kernel that might justify having an actual Linux workstation.
My
By broken I that the mouse wheel works reasonably in some apps but in others (like Chrome) it's ridiculously slow and there is no preference panel to change it. I tried a few hacks I found on Stack Exchange but none worked, and installing Smooth Scrolling in Chrome just made the wheel randomly not work at all.
I don't know what unity is supposed to be... In fairness, I think i picked a bad one there. Ubuntu isn't representative of the Linux desktop in general.
Task wise it's mainly workstation stuff. Lots of OS apps like Inkscape, Eclipse, Kicad. I need WINE for a few things. And a good GUI git client, or maybe I should try a CLI wrapper but need to know it's stable.
Server side it's a mix of Debian/Raspbian, DD-WRT and FreeBSD.
Anyone have SED working reliably with those recent Intel fixes?
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
MIcrosoft has got to go.
Haha haha disregard that I SUCK COCKS
No kidding, many new user may not even be aware of what their use case/needs are and thus have unrealistic expectations.... Personally I'm a fedora/centos/debian guy
Yes, choice is a horrible thing to have. That's why there is only one model of computer available and why all non-black coloured automobiles that aren't Fords failed to sell.
It's also why there is only one channel on TV and why there is only one web site on the internet. Everybody hates having choice...
*puts on flameproof suit*
And that crazy flow-chart of decisions that need to be worked through before it's even worth investing time into a given distro enough to learn it well enough that you know why it's not actually going to work for you after all and you need to start the whole asinine process over again...
No flame unless you tell me of the crazy flow chart of decisions that you have to make.
when I install say Mint, I plug in the thumb drive or use a liveCD for an older computer, Boot, and click on install, or a couple more clicks if I'm doing dual boot. If there is a question regarding the particular computer I let the thing boot to desktop off the thumb drive. Then I sit back and let it roll until it gets to setup.
When was the last time you installed Linux, and what version was it? Your description does not jibe with my experience in the last 7+ years.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
By broken I that the mouse wheel works reasonably in some apps but in others (like Chrome) it's ridiculously slow and there is no preference panel to change it. I tried a few hacks I found on Stack Exchange but none worked, and installing Smooth Scrolling in Chrome just made the wheel randomly not work at all.
Sumpin's off, because the mouse scrolling is such an ancient thing it's hard to imagine any distro having an issue. I'm noe certain that it isn't a Chrome application issue rather than Linux.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
As you may know from your research, there are several causes that can result in poor scrolling in Chrome, on every operating system. Did you test in Incognito mode?
aren't most computers sold today with windows 10, still using something other than kaby lake or ryzen?
example:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MXYZ8V5
Choice is good, so more choice must always be better, right? Nope, that's a fallacy. Instead, too much choice becomes a confusopoly and that isn't good. And accidentally creating a confusopoly without even having a profit motive, but instead just out of sheer "not invented here" syndrome, is even worse!
Don't get me wrong: having too much choice is still way better than having too little. But we shouldn't fool ourselves into thinking that making every new Linux user choose between dozens or hundreds of distros can't have negative practical consequences just because choice is theoretically good.
"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
Which Mint? Cinnamon, MATE, Xfce, KDE, LDME Cinnamon, or LDME MATE?
"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
Yes, choice is a horrible thing to have. That's why there is only one model of computer available and why all non-black coloured automobiles that aren't Fords failed to sell.
I drive a black Ford Ranger, you fool.
Which Mint? Cinnamon, MATE, Xfce, KDE, LDME Cinnamon, or LDME MATE?
I've done Cinnamon, Mate Xfce and KDE. I'm most familiar with Cinnamon.
The major difference is some of the windows and other minutiae. The core is Minty fresh. Cinnamon Mint for the wife on her touch screen laptop. She won't let me experiment on that computer.
Lately I've been installing and using Ubuntu Mate for myself, mainly because I can use it across a wide range of my computers, and it works pretty well and fast too.
I have an HP Envy I want to install dual boot when I get the time. It's both touch screen and tablet operation, so that will be a good experiment.
I've been trying without much success to get others to collaborate with me on why they have issues but I don't. Without luck.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
I take it back my macbook terms of use ended up selling my children in slavery so now i'm back on linux,
While its true Windows 10 is built upon a foundation that dates back to the days Windows NT you are now abstracted away from that core in so many ways it might as well not exist. Sure that layer of abstraction is sold as providing security and ease of maintainability but it also means you can no longer strip away unwanted functionality and run a minimalist shell containing only what you need and care most about. Windows 10 is an OS you can never truly own and will always be at the mercy of its masters in Redmond, and that is a sad thing indeed.
I think you might have missed my point.
Zenin was complaining about the "crazy flow-chart of decisions" you have to go through when deciding to use Linux. You replied, essentially, "just use Mint." But my point is that even that relatively-simple advice implies deciding between six different options before you even get to run the installer!
(Note that I'm not even counting the decisions that are "easy" because they're not opinion-based, such as deciding between 32- or 64-bit and whether to use the .torrent or pick one of the 99 (I counted) mirrors. And that's for an "easy" distro -- heaven help you if you're a n00b who got told "just use Debian" instead! "'s390x-netinst?' WTF is this shit?")
"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
I think you might have missed my point.
Zenin was complaining about the "crazy flow-chart of decisions" you have to go through when deciding to use Linux. You replied, essentially, "just use Mint." But my point is that even that relatively-simple advice implies deciding between six different options before you even get to run the installer!
(Note that I'm not even counting the decisions that are "easy" because they're not opinion-based, such as deciding between 32- or 64-bit and whether to use the .torrent or pick one of the 99 (I counted) mirrors. And that's for an "easy" distro -- heaven help you if you're a n00b who got told "just use Debian" instead! "'s390x-netinst?' WTF is this shit?")
I know exactly what you meant. However, considering the different sub-versions of Mint as somehow a bridge too far to decide upon is the sort of concept that makes a two mouse click an unsufferable crime upon humanity. Mint Cinnamon will work essentially the same as any of the others. And if you look closely many of the distros are designed for certain purposes. like video, or sound.If that's too much trouble you can install the same software later.
It's odd that by this time, people don't understand that people using linux often fork or just make minor changes. My experience has shown me that the biggest reason to use one version over another is the horsepower of th ecomputer it is installed on.
And if you are too inconvenienced to take a little time to figure that out, if you cannot be bothered to find out that there are versions of Linux that will run on your old computer, then my post was too long for you to read. And it's not Linux's fault, it is just laziness. there is not one of your Linux Show stoppers that you won't find on Windows. Basic, Home Home Premium, Pro? Enterprise? What a gauntlet!
I wonder, do you only use all defaults on your Windows machine? Is troubleshooting a problem on Windows out of the question? You buy a new computer when the machine won't boot after an update?
I support Windows, MacOS and now Linux.
The OS that requires the most upkeep and investigation for fixing OS problems is Windows by far.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
they are the epitome of a worthless clueless greedy company, i cant wait for them finally fail. windows 10 sucks shit covered balls
Maybe so, but there are plenty of people -- like my baby-boomer parents -- who can barely even handle one button! Should we doom them to Windows spyware and exploitation just because they don't meet your condescending, elitist expectation of tech-savviness?
More to the point, even technical users shouldn't have to deal with every tiny detail, all the time. I'm a goddamn professional software engineer and even I don't want to deal with it! I got most of that shit out of my system running Gentoo in college.
Fundamentally, it's an issue of human interface design and cognitive load. A good user interface helps the user focus on things that he cares about and not waste effort on the things he doesn't. In the vast majority of cases, forcing the user to make a decision without suggesting a default choice means the designer was failing to do his damn job. Take the Linux Mint download page, for instance: would it have killed them to just pick one of the editions -- it doesn't even matter which, despite the desktop environment Holy Wars -- and put it in a larger font or add an arrow or something to denote "if you don't know what the difference is between these, pick this one?" Just one little note on the page would make all the difference.
This article explains the issue better.
Mostly yes, actually. You know why? Because -- aside from laziness -- having a consistent experience, where I can walk up to any other random Windows machine (at least of the same version) and know that it will work the same as my usual one instead of getting pissed off that my custom keyboard shortcuts don't work, is more important than wringing out that last 0.5% of optimization. Here's a quote from Joel Spolsky (also referenced in the link above) about it:
(I do change the important settings, of course, such as disabling Microsoft's attempts to shanghai the system with forced "upgrades" and telemetry.)
"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
I've used many different mice with many different laptops running many different flavors of Linux, and never had an issue with a scroll wheel. Troll above? It does happen. Otherwise, majorly misguided at best.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
What's Mint?
None of my professional software tools list it as a supported OS:
Microsoft Word and Excel, SolidWorks, LabVIEW (FPGA add-on)
Outlook doesn't seem to be supported either.
If all that will run under this Mint OS, and Mint isn't Win10 - sign me up.
Actually I would say this XKCD fits Linux better as I'd say that is 90% of the distros out there, just reinventing the wheel and making just enough changes to make them incompatible with each other and break shit.
The really sad part? If you could get all those devs to quit wasting their energy making yet another minor variation of the same OS and instead were to pour all their energy into one distro? You'd have an OS that would curbstomp anything out there in just a couple of years...but it will never happen, instead they will just keep cranking out distros until all the OEMs quietly adopt secureboot and all that is left to run Linux on is high priced workstations and cheapo ARM maker boards.
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
Step 1. Download GNU/Linux from any large number of sources for distros.
Step 2. Install on your computer in place of that DOGSHIT "OS" from SHITMICRO FUCKSOFT
Step 3. Tell Microshitfuckcraprosoft about how you ARE learning or have learned how to use Linux and operate it, and you're leaving them and don't need their crap ware, etc.
needs to stop. Windows needs to be open source and different builds of it open. This i can see happening in the future.
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Well said. At this stage it's still easier for me to use Windows, even V10, and spend half an hour sabotaging all the tracking and forced updates. There are handy apps and guides on how to do it.
In comparison I spent an hour or more just trying to get the mouse wheel to work on Mint Cinnamon, and then realised it was impossible. Maybe I could start over and try another distro.
I'm starting to think that few people do anything really serious with the Linux desktop. The shell is amazing, as a server it's amazing, but the desktop... There are 50 different ones, and five different APIs for the mouse wheel, and none of them work very well.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Maybe. On Windows it does whatever the mouse wheel is set to do in Windows. On Linux it seems that every app has to decide for itself and most don't have any way to configure it.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
I take it back my Macbook feel apart due to bad build quality.
Going to try the old reliable vax/vms
I've NEVER, since Linux 2.0, maybe 2.1, had a problem with scroll wheel on the mouse. Some of the gaming multibutton mice? Sure. Not the scroll wheel on them, though.
Want virtual machine? You can't use the home or lite version. Want to have domains? Must have the business version, but if you want virtual machine AND domain joining, you have to have Ultimate or server. But the server one may not work as a single user machine.
And which version of windows will you install on this older hardware? Some, as the article shows, don't work. Some newer gadgets don't and will never get windows drivers. So you have to check the hardware compatibility for whichever version of windows you want. Some need at least some level of service pack.
The mouse scroll wheel is an X11 event and handled by the X11 event handler, NOT by the application. So clearly your complaint is a load of disingenuous bullshit.
There is a little utility called imwheel which will let you set the default mouse scroll speed globally, and also adjust it for different applications. That's likely to be what you would be most happy with since you mentioned you were happy with the speed in some applications and not others.
imwheel actually works by mapping the scroll wheel to an adjustable number of presses of the down arrow key. That introduces a few minor quirks. A more direct method is to set the scroll distance in xorg.conf with a line like this:
Option "VertScrollDelta" "100"
Of course that's for distributions which still use X, such as Red Hat.
For Wayland, you'll use something like:
$ xinput list
Find the device number of your mouse. Let's assume it's number 9. Then run:
xinput set-prop 9 'Evdev Scrolling Distance' 3 1 1
You can put the above command in your .profile file so it is run every time you log in.
We knew this was Microsoft's plan before the new CPU's were released.
Every new install of windows 7 runs into update issues after SP1 now.
You did not spend any time on figuring out the mouse wheel on Mint Cinnamon. I have 6 different logitech devices on 6 different PCs and Laptops and they just work. Mint Cinnamon 64 bit, is working for me out of the box on a 14 year old Dell PC, Lenovo Carbon X1, Dell Precision Laptop, Dell Precision work station, custom build PC, old Sony Vaio. The only issue at times is getting the NVIDIA driver to play nice, tbough it works out of the box with Nouveau, and needing to unmute sound. A fresh install of Win 7 that I did a month ago cost the better part of a day due to the endles updating (which requires an obscure fix) and rebooting. Mint typically installs in 15 monutes or less.
I tried imwheel, it had no effect. Don't know if it was Chrome or Cinnamon ignoring it.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
I'd mod you up if I had the points today. I've been thinking the same thing for the last few years about all the wasted time and effort on duplication that doesn't really make much difference. Sometimes there is too much choice.
To take 1 example, could you imagine the awesome GUI we'd have if the KDE and Gnome folks dropped their fight and instead made 1 desktop environment? I think that would bring the vast majority of users together.
Searched for "Linux Stupid" distro. Instructions not clear enough. Got my dick caught in the ceiling fan.
#DeleteFacebook
I recently thought about the configuration thing and how little I customize my boxes anymore. I used to run all the interface tweaks, hacked themes, bunches of customization addons for shortcuts and macros, etc etc. Now about all I do is stick my taskbar on the left (on widescreens), switch it to show labels, and maybe turn the colors to a dark theme. I just don't have the patience or motivation to mess with the level of customization I used to.
I do still play with Gentoo on several boxes, including a couple laptops, but it's definitely gotten to be more and more hassle.
To take 1 example, could you imagine the awesome GUI we'd have if the KDE and Gnome folks dropped their fight and instead made 1 desktop environment?
But which way does the compromise of fundamental disagreements (like how many configuration choices to make available) go?
its wrong to do this to windows that are still supported, like windows 8
but they have to do it because they KNOW that when windows 7 finishes in 2020, we would instantly jump to 8 until 2024
so they are doing this cpu limit thingy, but its a massive legendary dick move (i was going to put 2 partitions on my next machine, win 7or8 and then 10, now i can only put 10, which will force me put linux on a separate hd since i NEED the computer to boot up no matter what and windows 10 cannot provide that guarantee with just a hard drive with windows 10), dont count on EVER selling me a microsoft game console, a microsoft phone or some fancy microsoft glasses, from now on the only thing you will be able to sell me, if i can actuallty find them, its the basic microsoft mouse. Thats LITERALLY they only good product they have to sell.
in fact, all your satya moves are so shitty (poo in it) that im considering popping in every single piece of news i happen to stumble on the internet about microsoft and writing a negative comment, and check this out: i wont care if the comment is real or invented, im entirely comfortable with straight up inventing shit just to fuck with them.
Im tired of dick moves, time to be a dick myself.
I've used many different mice with many different laptops running many different flavors of Linux, and never had an issue with a scroll wheel. Troll above? It does happen. Otherwise, majorly misguided at best.
Animojo doesn't troll as far as I know.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
I take it you never read "zen and the art of motercycle maintenance".
I like your CentOS and Fedora comment and have been using for years. But I have decided to move to debian because Fedora updates too fast. CentOS update too slow and its default kernel does not include the drivers I need for my htpc. It is not too much effort to compile your own kernel but the task gets old real quick when you have to keep up with security patches.