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Children As Young As 13 Attending 'Smartphone Rehab' As Concerns Grow Over Screen Time (independent.co.uk)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Independent: Children refusing to put down their phones is a common flashpoint in many homes, with a third of British children aged 12 to 15 admitting they do not have a good balance between screen time and other activities. But in the U.S., the problem has become so severe for some families that children as young as 13 are being treated for digital technology addiction. One "smartphone rehab" center near Seattle has started offering residential "intensive recovery programs" for teenagers who have trouble controlling their use of electronic devices. The Restart Life Center says parents have been asking it to offer courses of treatment to their children for more than eight years. Hilarie Cash, the Center's founder, told Sky News smartphones, tablets and other mobile devices can be so stimulating and entertaining that they "override all those natural instincts that children actually have for movement and exploration and social interaction."

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  1. Sounds like their parents aren't parents, by Blinkin1200 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sounds like their parents aren't parents, they are just the tallest people in the room.

    1. Re:Sounds like their parents aren't parents, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The parents are rich enough to afford children. Which means they're millionaire jet setters who are busy every moment of their lives advertising their own narcissism on their blogs to earn the money they deserve to be paid for existing. They don't have any time to raise children.

    2. Re:Sounds like their parents aren't parents, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      you mean i have to be their parent and not just their best friend?

    3. Re:Sounds like their parents aren't parents, by lucm · · Score: 1

      They could do like Marissa Mayer and rent people to take care of their kids, even though they work 10 feet from them.

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    4. Re:Sounds like their parents aren't parents, by sound+vision · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They are probably on their phones too.

    5. Re:Sounds like their parents aren't parents, by Imrik · · Score: 2

      If the kids are controlling their use at home, they aren't as addicted as the ones the article is talking about. If they aren't controlling their use at home, some parental supervision is warranted.

    6. Re:Sounds like their parents aren't parents, by Joce640k · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I wonder how much "smartphone rehab" costs?

      (as opposed, to, I dunno, just smashing/shooting the phone in front of them if the first couple of talks/slaps don't work)

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    7. Re:Sounds like their parents aren't parents, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The parents are rich enough to afford children. Which means they're millionaire jet setters who are busy every moment of their lives advertising their own narcissism on their blogs to earn the money they deserve to be paid for existing. They don't have any time to raise children.

      Chances are they were feeding their fucking narcissism well before becoming a parent. If you're not going to put in the effort to raise a child properly, then do the world a favor and don't fucking have them.

    8. Re:Sounds like their parents aren't parents, by geekmux · · Score: 2

      I wonder how much "smartphone rehab" costs?

      (as opposed, to, I dunno, just smashing/shooting the phone in front of them if the first couple of talks/slaps don't work)

      I wonder how much risk is involved with simply ripping the heroin needle out of the addicts arm (as opposed, to, I dunno, proper rehabilitation...)

      Addiction is powerful no matter what created it. So much so that humans have killed other humans in order to get a fix.

    9. Re:Sounds like their parents aren't parents, by sheramil · · Score: 3, Insightful

      consider the difference between addiction and habituation. being addicted to morphine is different to being too lazy to find any other avenues of entertainment or socializing than snapchat or twitter.

    10. Re:Sounds like their parents aren't parents, by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Best friend? I was under the impression that my job's done by blowing a load of snot into some bitch.

      Snot? Damn - that's gotta be close to a rule 34 exemption!

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    11. Re:Sounds like their parents aren't parents, by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If the kids are controlling their use at home, they aren't as addicted as the ones the article is talking about. If they aren't controlling their use at home, some parental supervision is warranted.

      Yeah as soon as Daddy's off Facebook, and Mom is done playing Candy Crush.

      The smartphone is the perfect little device for today's families. It keeps the kids quiet, and many people have been so inculcated with safety culture that the parents are happy to keep the children inside the house, playing on their phone, instead of going out in the world, where the news cycle has everyone convinced us that as soon as the child steps outside, they will be molested, then kidnapped, then sold into sex traffic slavery, get hooked on meth, and finally be shot in a drive by. So the child may be a hundred pounds overweight, and never grow up to be an adult, but hey - they are safe.

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    12. Re:Sounds like their parents aren't parents, by dontbgay · · Score: 2

      But we're not talking in such simple, pedestrian terms. Addiction can be psychological, physiological, or both. What we're discussing here is a psychological addiction which is manifested in poor impulse control. As such, a parent could remove the device without being an asshole ammosexual while still reaching the intended result. Worked for my 4 year old and my 13 year old. Now screen time is moderated and all device cameras are disabled.

      BTW, people killing over poor impulse control (taking a cell phone away) should not be given mental diability status. Their poor behavior is just a product of their parents doing a shitty job.

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    13. Re:Sounds like their parents aren't parents, by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Snot? Damn - that's gotta be close to a rule 34 exemption!

      Far from it. NSFW, obviously.

      Wonder if there is abstinence porn anywhere?

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    14. Re:Sounds like their parents aren't parents, by ravrazor · · Score: 2

      In the words of Homer Simpson: “Kids are the best; you can teach them to hate the things you hate. And they practically raise themselves, what with the internet and all.”

    15. Re:Sounds like their parents aren't parents, by diesalesmandie · · Score: 1

      If you're not going to put in the effort to raise a child properly, then do the world a favor and don't fucking have them.

      I agree with this fully, but there is one problem, a lot of people have different opinions on the best way of raising children, and no child will be compatible with every situation life throws at him/her, its just not possible outside of fiction.

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    16. Re:Sounds like their parents aren't parents, by GNious · · Score: 1

      Wonder if there is abstinence porn anywhere?

      Wasn't that the whole idea behind those sparkly vampires in those books/movies

    17. Re:Sounds like their parents aren't parents, by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Wonder if there is abstinence porn anywhere?

      Wasn't that the whole idea behind those sparkly vampires in those books/movies

      Oh crap - was that supposed to be porn?

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    18. Re:Sounds like their parents aren't parents, by geekmux · · Score: 1

      Oh, please. Caffeine addiction is more serious than smartphone 'addiction.'

      And yet one statistic proves this statement is utter bullshit; Distracted Driving.

      I seriously doubt caffeine can eclipse the number of fatalities and injuries caused every day due to addicts banging away on their smartphones while behind the wheel.

      This is more a case of children failing to be taught self-control, or escapism as a crutch. Both should be dealt with (or the cause of it, in the latter's case), but treating it like an addiction probably isn't going to help.

      A parent addicted to a drug finds their child is bothering them too much, wanting their attention. Often, what's the answer? Give the child the drug. The addict knows what the immediate benefit is to them; they won't be bothered anymore. The addict also fails to see a problem with their solution.

      Now, replace "drug" with "smartphone." This is addiction, and needs to be treated as such, and probably for more than just the children.

    19. Re:Sounds like their parents aren't parents, by geekmux · · Score: 1

      consider the difference between addiction and habituation. being addicted to morphine is different to being too lazy to find any other avenues of entertainment or socializing than snapchat or twitter.

      Uh, too lazy?

      I challenge you to approach the average teenager and force them to shut down all of their social media accounts and confiscate their smartphone in order to "go outside and play". See how their behavior is categorized as mere laziness or boredom.

      Habitual behavior is often a clear sign of addiction.

    20. Re:Sounds like their parents aren't parents, by StikyPad · · Score: 2

      Addiction is mostly about getting that dopamine hit, and anything that can trigger it can become addictive. In most of life, that hit is moderated by something -- eating has fullness, playing and exploring have physical fatigue, and repeating the same thing over and over (even sex) becomes boring after a while. Addiction can happen when there's little or no moderating factors. Addictive substances continue to provide a hit no matter what (although it may take increasing quantities to achieve the same result). Eating has a physical limit, although some people push that limit as far as they can. So-called adrenaline junkies (really dopamine) take larger and larger risks, sometimes with fatal consequences.

      Rehab is all about finding different ways to find enjoyment, which really boils down to less self-destructive dopamine hits. Bonding with others in healthy ways, engaging in physical activities, creative projects, and then cementing those behavioral changes with first external and then internal reinforcement. Addiction isn't a flaw of character, it's an inherent vulnerability in our dopamine-motivated existence.

  2. It gets worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If they think it's bad at 12-15, just wait until that endless stream of messages and emails is coming from management outside of normal work hours, and they'll be looking for another job if they don't answer it.

    There's some very vested interest in keeping us hooked on these things.

    1. Re:It gets worse by lucm · · Score: 5, Informative

      There's some very vested interest in keeping us hooked on these things.

      There's also some opposition to that, like in France where they banned work email after 6pm.

      http://www.bbc.com/news/magazi...

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    2. Re:It gets worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Job? What's a job? I check my email once a week looking for all these rumored job offers I'm supposed to be getting but I never see any. I keep hearing other people talk about how they're swamped with emails from recruiters. The only possible conclusion I can reach is everyone is a liar. The tech industry must be some kind of elaborate hoax. The education system really scammed me good because I wasted a whole lot of tuition to earn a tech degree which is totally worthless because the tech industry doesn't exist.

    3. Re:It gets worse by TWX · · Score: 2

      Or they just realized that you are a poor candidate and aren't bothering to respond to you.

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    4. Re:It gets worse by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Still doing the misinformation?
      It's not banned, just that people who are on the clock and do not have a contract that involves overtime, being on call etc can't be disciplined for not paying attention to email out of work time.

    5. Re:It gets worse by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately there is no reception where I live. I will of course relocate at company expense, alas I can't afford the rent there. But if corporate covers my rent, we can talk.

      In other words, screw you. I work enough hours as it is, if you want more, pay for it.

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    6. Re:It gets worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I keep seeing these posts by this "creimer" person who claims to be swamped with emails from recruiters. Then again, this "creimer" person also claims to earn $50k which is highly implausible if such demand exists for his services. The only possible conclusion I can reach is this "creimer" person is a troll.

    7. Re:It gets worse by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      "If they think it's bad at 12-15, just wait until that endless stream of messages and emails is coming from management outside of normal work hours"

      Coming soon - homework by text!

    8. Re:It gets worse by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      just that people who are on the clock and do not have a contract that involves overtime, being on call etc can't be disciplined for not paying attention to email out of work time.

      So its not banned they just can't do it. Thanks for clearing that up.

    9. Re:It gets worse by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      50k is a joke for fresh out of highschool help desk in Idaho.

      That's because Idaho has 2M people and one area code covering the entire state. Silicon Valley has 2M people and multiple area codes covering a small region in a very large state. Hence, Silicon Valley have more high school students who are willing to take entry-level help desk jobs at $10 per hour (minimum wage). Plus Idaho needs to pay more for talent. A coworker in Idaho told me about having a second-story door that he uses to get out of the house when the snow is eight to ten feet deep during the winter.

      How bad do you have to be at tech to only get that in SV?

      Sometimes tech skills have nothing to do with pay. A small company lured me in to interview for a $25 per hour job and then tried to negotiate it down to $10 per hour. I told them to bugger off. Since hipsters are unwiling to commute more than 30 minutes from San Francisco, some companies in southern Silicon Valley (45 to 90 minutes away from San Francisco) are offering $30 to $40 per hour for the virtual ditch digging that I do.

      Oh I know, you are here shitposting all day instead of doing what you are paid to do.

      Google is the only company that kept me busy for a full eight-hour shift. Most companies keep me busy for an hour and then I'm waiting for shit to roll down from above.

      So in the end, you are getting paid what you are worth: less than a 19 year old with no experience.

      My current job requires 20+ years of IT experience. At 47-years-old, I'm one of the youngest on my team (most of my coworkers are in their 60's and 70's). Any 19-year-old who shows up at my job will be escorted out by security.

    10. Re:It gets worse by Altrag · · Score: 1

      There's a pretty big difference: In your world, the company simply can't ask period. In the real world, they can ask but the employee is free to say no.

      The two are only equivalent if all employees say no all the time, or if the employer would be otherwise unable to restrain themselves from disciplining people for asserting their rights.

    11. Re:It gets worse by dbIII · · Score: 1

      They can't do it unless they can.
      Dumbed down enough yet? Please sober up before you post.

  3. We had "Atari 2600 rehab" back in the day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It was called Summer Camp.

    That was back when the only electrical devices allowed at camp were flashlights and cameras.

  4. The Pernicious Influence of the Internet by thePsychologist · · Score: 1

    The problem is that the initial effort needed to engage in the internet is often far lower than the effort required to engage in non-internet interaction, not unlike certain native populations being exposed to a processed carbohydrate-rich diet.

    I have a bit of internet addiction myself, which I noticed when I was an undergrad. After moving on my own, I decided not to get the internet at home or on my phone. I noticed a vast improvement in my life, and I fear the increasingly richer content and easier access will turn us all into zombies one day.

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  5. Re:I understand. by TWX · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I had problems with BBSing and later with Warcraft II.

    When I was grounded from the family 486 I would dig out the Compaq Portable that I had in my bedroom, and use the 2400 baud modem to dial out to BBSes and to the public library so that I could get on Usenet, usually after everyone else went to bed. My parents knew I had the computer but didn't know that the old four prong telephone jack in my bedroom was actually live. Took a couple of years to get caught; I'd gotten careless and started using it earlier and earlier in the evening.

    It's funny really. I used that 8088-clone with 128K RAM for essentially the same function as I use modern equipment for, which is reading and posting on other computer systems. We really haven't come as far as people would like to pretend.

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  6. Re:Smartphones are currently the best default choi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Yeah well you can only masturbate so many times before your junk goes numb.

  7. I can't get behind this concept. by Hylandr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This behavior really hasn't changed since I was a child. My Dad bitched about how much TV I watched, or how much time I spent outside, or this thing or the other thing that was my passion at the time. Too much sports ( Expensive ) Not enough sports ( anti-social ) This tired old argument and the argument for drugging children into submission boils down to to the need for a false sense of control when parents feel out of control of their own lives or when money is tight.

    They need rehab from the Ritalin, Xanax and other psychotropic medication ( Drugs ). As a parent if I think the child has had too much 'device time' I will take it away. If they want it back they have to have their chores done. It works pretty well.

    Additionally, don't fight the desire your child has, it may be the passion that fuels his income when they are adults. Ever have that conversation with your child "What do you want to do when you grow up?" They are showing you. If you tell them that's not viable because all you see is the money you spend on it, you fail to see the money that they could be making from it. Instead as a society their desires are beaten from them and can only answer when asked what they plan on doing with their lives: "I don't know" ( Because I was told the thing I love is worthless because it cost you money )

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    1. Re:I can't get behind this concept. by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This behavior really hasn't changed since I was a child.

      This isn't some generalisation of parents bitching about their kids. It's an actual problem. There are people so incredibly addicted to certain things (smartphone included) that they start displaying withdrawal symptoms when separated.

      If your child uses their phone a lot, it's not a problem. If your child starts getting incredibly aggressive or freaking out at the thought of not having it that's a different story. If you go out and the phone gets left at home for the day and your child starts crying, throwing a tantrum, demanding everyone goes home, is agitated or agressive because they can't {insert phone thing like facebook here}, then you have a real problem.

      As a parent if you can remove your phone from your child as a form of mediation, then this isn't for you and your child doesn't need treatment for addiction.

    2. Re:I can't get behind this concept. by Hylandr · · Score: 2

      your child starts crying, throwing a tantrum, demanding everyone goes home, is agitated or aggressive

      Quelling this behavior is parenting 101. This is never allowed to fly from day one from any of my children. I have 8, and have been a parent for 24 years with the same wife. I think I am qualified when I call bullshit.

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    3. Re:I can't get behind this concept. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Quelling the behaviour early is. When it reaches addiction level your "traditional" parenting means shit. People do strange things when addicted to something.

      Good on you for being a good parent. Many people let this get out of control. Once it's out of control, simply taking the device is not the right answer.

    4. Re:I can't get behind this concept. by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      Once it's out of control, simply taking the device is not the right answer.

      I disagree. I have personal examples from other parents that have done just that and have been successful at it.

      Bottom line;
      I will remain skeptical of anyone offering a 'solution' for which they are getting paid to administer. What may not be a problem that cannot be solved with some parental resolve becomes amplified into a justification for paying money to 'treat'.

      90% of the time the parent gave the device to the child to begin with. They should take responsibility for making sure they are following the rules regarding it's use. I don't think that's unreasonable to expect.

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    5. Re:I can't get behind this concept. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The behavior has changed since you were a child.

      WWW internet had it's chance to make earth great again in the mid-late 90's. Now it is broken. Some even say it sucks.
      In the 2000's people started to clump together on mega-websites. Forget about making your own and talking to people 'live' about it.
      Later in the 2000's people started driving drunker than the drunkest drunk when smart phones started to bloom.
      Fast forward to today where people try to upload a 'self' to the internet because they are challenged to find a real human in 3D space connection.

      I don't think we have ever been so disconnected from each other when we claim the technology makes us more social.

      How good can that smart phone experience be when you are walking? Before people just use to walk.

    6. Re:I can't get behind this concept. by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Sure, take away the device. That will work until the school asks them to do research in class on their device or plays a game in class that is an online trivia game. They you have to give them their device.

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    7. Re:I can't get behind this concept. by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      A phone is way different than a TV. A phone is like a TV plus a computer with internet that comes with them to school. Apples to oranges.

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    8. Re:I can't get behind this concept. by dbarclay10 · · Score: 1

      your child starts crying, throwing a tantrum, demanding everyone goes home, is agitated or aggressive

      Quelling this behavior is parenting 101. This is never allowed to fly from day one from any of my children. I have 8, and have been a parent for 24 years with the same wife. I think I am qualified when I call bullshit.

      So I'm not saying you're wrong (I'm not a parent and I haven't carefully considered how I would do so), but surely you must realize you're an (extreme) outlier and your experience doesn't necessarily apply to most people right? 8 kids over 24 years with the same wife is incredibly unusual, and I can think of several things off the top of my head that would apply to you and that situation that wouldn't apply to me.

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    9. Re:I can't get behind this concept. by Kjella · · Score: 1

      As a parent if I think the child has had too much 'device time' I will take it away. If they want it back they have to have their chores done. It works pretty well. (...) Additionally, don't fight the desire your child has, it may be the passion that fuels his income when they are adults.

      That's just ordinary parenting, teaching kids they can't do just the things they want to do. An addiction is a passion that's gone beyond something you want to do into something you feel you need to do like an obsession or compulsion and the rest of your life starts to revolve around getting back there. Like if you're a WoW addict life is about getting rid of all the "distractions" like school, friends, family, events and activities so you can spend more time in Azeroth. Some are functional addicts in that they do the things that absolutely must be done, others start becoming dysfunctional like lying and cheating and skipping school. People have flunked out, lost their jobs, wife and kids for virtual trinkets.

      Yes, most kids' passions aren't allowed to involve into addictions because parents effectively shut them down, you don't get ice cream for dinner every day and if you don't do your homework and chores your Internet privileges are revoked. But when they're teens they must also start to get some freedom to make their own choices. Not everyone will cope well with that responsibility, but you can't babysit them forever. If you have some form of troubled teen you probably have a better chance of getting them back on the right track with professional help when they're 15 and living at home than when they're 18 and free to self destruct. Assuming they have real problems, but I know at least a few who did.

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    10. Re:I can't get behind this concept. by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In the Triassic, when I grew up, there was exactly the same pearl-clutching about television. It was addictive, it kept the kids indoors, and all they could do was stare at it passively and in isolation. The only thing missing was describing the situation in the terminology of the drug rehabs that so many of today's parents have gone through.

      Because today's devices are at least interactive, tech-aware parents can show their kids the full potential of their devices: online interaction with their school friends, GPS for hiking, helping Mom navigate by car, Yelp for road trips, Pocket Universe to identify what they see in the night sky, step counters to quantify their physical activity, games that build various skills, and all the different search options that are available for finding out anything they want.

    11. Re:I can't get behind this concept. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I disagree. I have personal examples from other parents that have done just that and have been successful at it.

      Psychologists in general disagree with you. Proper addiction treated by forcing cold turkey leads primarily to self harm, psychiatric problems and recidivism. This isn't some place that every man and their dog sends their children because they don't want to parent. Quite frankly your experiences and anecdotes are completely meaningless.

      90% of the time the parent gave the device to the child to begin with. They should take responsibility for making sure they are following the rules regarding it's use. I don't think that's unreasonable to expect.

      I agree and I never said it wasn't. Just when it eventually gets out of control you end up with an psychological addiction.

    12. Re:I can't get behind this concept. by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      You have valid points that I cannot argue with. I am going to call myself incredibly lucky rather than skilled. My Family believes in God, and that lifestyle lends itself well to success in this area, but not always. I love my children, I love my Wife, and we have always managed to keep one parent at home to take care of my family. It's made things tough, but it looks like it's been a great investment in our family.

      It's never too late to correct. But you have to be consistent, and you have to explain why things are changing, and hold everyone to the new regimen. We have family meetings to do just that.

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    13. Re:I can't get behind this concept. by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      Mod UP ! Excellent ideas!

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    14. Re:I can't get behind this concept. by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      Psychologists in general disagree with you.

      TBH there's more science in palmistry. I have spoken to many shrinks when I was a kid, and they always promise to help you just come back next week and leave your money with the receptionist.

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    15. Re:I can't get behind this concept. by Altrag · · Score: 1

      There's also the fact that they're talking about teenagers. If you haven't quelled this problem long before 13 then either you've messed up as a parent and you probably need outside help, or your kid has an actual mental issue and you probably need outside help. Either way, its not likely something you'll be able to handle on your own, much as that's sometimes hard to admit to yourself.

      This isn't a 6 year old throwing a tantrum once in a while. This is a young adult showing the same addictive behaviors as an alcoholic or drug abuser -- or for a more obviously similar problem, a gambling addict.

    16. Re:I can't get behind this concept. by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Sorry you had a bad experience. Your experience is far from universal, however.

    17. Re:I can't get behind this concept. by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      I wish that were true. I was a Navy brat, and moved every three years whenever my dad was transferred to another duty station.

      I quickly learned to see common patterns from one place to the next, and this was one of them.

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    18. Re:I can't get behind this concept. by TheConway · · Score: 1

      That's a shitty school, not a shitty parent

  8. Screen time is not the problem by its self by LordZardoz · · Score: 1

    Before 'Screen Time' became a thing with smart phones, it existed with The Internet, Game Consoles, and TV. Trying to arbitrarily reduce screen time is not really solving the right problem.

    When this kind of issue starts to cause actual problems, you do not want to focus on minimizing screen time; You want to focus on maximizing activities that have either a social component, or that carries other benefits that contribute to general success in life.

    Teens between 13 and 15 years old have a combination of a maximum amount of free time to pursue whatever interests they may have combined with minimal responsibilities. But when there is a lack of opportunity to pursue anything that can both engage their attention and benefit them in any meaningful way, there is no shortage of activities that can engage attention and provide nothing in return.

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    1. Re:Screen time is not the problem by its self by dk20 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As a parent of three kids, I tend to agree with most of what you wrote.. but Smartphones are slighly different then say nintendo DS's of the past.

      How many times has some mindless zombie kid almost walked into you as they are walking and using their phone at the same time, clueless of their surroundings? i dont recall kids walking and playing their DS's.

    2. Re:Screen time is not the problem by its self by swb · · Score: 1

      I think some of the issues with smartphones is somehow tied to both the close proximity of the device and the fact that it involves an additional sensory interaction -- the touch screen, which I think is somehow different than a simple button.

    3. Re:Screen time is not the problem by its self by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      No, it has to do with the fact that apps are scientifically made to be addictive. Analytics make it no different to modifying the chemical composure of tobacco so that people smoke more.

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    4. Re:Screen time is not the problem by its self by sabt-pestnu · · Score: 1

      > How many times has some mindless zombie kid almost walked into you as they are walking and using their phone at the same time, clueless of their surroundings?

      When I was raising my kids, we had mindless zombie kids almost walking into you as they walked and read a book at the same time, clueless of their surroundings.

      What are they teaching kids these days? Back when I was growing up, you could minor in college in walking while reading.

    5. Re:Screen time is not the problem by its self by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      i dont recall kids walking and playing their DS's.

      What were you doing that made you not pay attention to your surroundings to the extent that you missed this?

    6. Re:Screen time is not the problem by its self by dk20 · · Score: 1

      maybe.. but i dont recall it being nearly as ubiquitous as it is now with smartphones.

  9. wtf is an 8 year old doing with a smart phone??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    wtf is wrong with this world?

  10. The problem with kids these days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ...Is all of these new things they're doing. Back in my day we did the current thing, and we were happy and well-adjusted. Sure, our parents believed the current thing to be bad for us, and that the old thing was far superior to the current thing, but we knew the current thing was just harmless fun, plus the old thing seemed boring and our parents obsession with it really highlighted how unhappy and poorly-adjusted they had become.

    This new thing has gotten out of control though, and should be put to an end ASAP.

    1. Re:The problem with kids these days by JonnyCalcutta · · Score: 1

      I think a much bigger problem these days is the fact that my kids music is too quiet and boring.

    2. Re:The problem with kids these days by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      That's funny because it's true. My kids are always telling me to turn my music down.

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    3. Re:The problem with kids these days by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Parents these days...

  11. Re:Smartphones are currently the best default choi by geekmux · · Score: 1

    Really, if you don't want children using smartphones so often, then find something where the non-technology is better than technology.

    This may be rather difficult nowadays, but is still possible.

    This has nothing to do with the actual tech itself. This has everything to do with teaching a human that moderation is key to damn near everything in life.

    Addiction is powerful and damaging no matter what causes it, and replacing one addiction for another is not the answer either. You should try and find many things to replace an addiction with. Also known as living life to the fullest.

  12. Root cause; Social media narcissism. by geekmux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Today it seems that everyone must rush to create an online identity in order to create a presence in the social media universe. Parents are often to blame for initiating this, finding it "cute" that their 4-year old has their own Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram accounts (yes, I'm talking to you too, Hollywood). Naturally, child social media stars don't merely shut their look-at-me channels down when they get to the ripe old age of 10 and get their own smartphone, which comes with the added bonus of also being able to surf hardcore porn. (Given the lack of concern regarding internet filtering, this apparently means porn is no longer damaging, illegal, or harmful to minors.)

    Chances are we're not solving for some odd addiction to artificial light or "screen time" here. When looking at the real reason behind smartphone addiction, I'm willing to bet a lot of it is tied to an addiction to social media, and the narcissism it creates. Tie the YOLO mentality to the FOMO concept, and it creates that constant need to be attached, online, and updating all the fucking time.

    The true addiction to cure for many, is an addiction to narcissism. The kind that social media has created. Perhaps it's time to re-think the religion of social media, and realize just how damaging it can be.

    1. Re:Root cause; Social media narcissism. by Kiuas · · Score: 1

      The true addiction to cure for many, is an addiction to narcissism. The kind that social media has created. Perhaps it's time to re-think the religion of social media, and realize just how damaging it can be.

      Social media has not created it. Hollywood created it long time ago by starting celebrity-worship and reality formats long before social media. Social media is responding to this by saying "you're all performers now, you can all become as popular as the celebrity you like if you just post enough".

      It should not be a surprise to anyone that when an industry with billions to spend on marketing and focus-group testing has been intentionally creating fandom cults for decades that the natural evolution of this behavior is kids wanting to mimic the success of these cults by leading one themselves. They're not narcissists, they're mimicking behavior that the entire media is telling them is desirable, because with fame comes adoration and money and happiness.

      You can't treat this by treating the symptom (social media), you need to treat the root cause, but that's easier said than done because the entire culture of entertainment needs to be changed to something less worshiping of popularity based on mainly external traits instead of intellect or ideas.

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      "It is the business of the future to be dangerous" -Alfred North Whitehead
    2. Re:Root cause; Social media narcissism. by geekmux · · Score: 1

      ...You can't treat this by treating the symptom (social media), you need to treat the root cause, but that's easier said than done because the entire culture of entertainment needs to be changed to something less worshiping of popularity based on mainly external traits instead of intellect or ideas.

      I feel there's a rather simple fix to this; Stop fucking rewarding people.

      No more financial rewards for YouTube narcissists for having the most "clicks".

      No more financial rewards for Instagram narcissists for having the most "likes".

      No more financial rewards for Facebook narcissists for having the most "friends".

      Of course, this concept is considerably disruptive to current markets, so stopping this would be about as easy as making all opiates illegal in the US to help control painkiller overdoses.

      Greed is the ultimate addiction.

  13. This seems familiar... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    If my father felt I was spending too much time on my Commodore 64, he would take it from me. But he didn't take away my programming books and notebooks. When I got my Commodore 64 back, I already had a debug program ready to type in and save to cassette.

    1. Re:This seems familiar... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      [...] you grew up to weigh 499 pounds [...]

      My maximum weight as a teenager was 400 pounds. My lowest adult weight was 325 pounds when I rode my bicycle 20 miles per day to a restaurant job for three years and my highest adult weight was 375 pounds when I lifted weights for a year. My current weight is 350 pounds (think football player).

      Now go find someone else to play with, troll.

  14. Re:Intensive recovery program by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    They tried to do that to me in middle school. Until they found out that I was meditating in the corner. Punishment wasn't punishment if you're not suffering from it.

  15. Re:Children? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    It's a transitional year between being children and teenagers. When I turned 13-years-old, my 26-year-old brother called to wish me a happy birthday and informed me that I was a teenager. He no longer felt obligated to attend my birthday parties because I was no longer a child and he was too busy being married to be my "big brother" again. Prick.

  16. Schools by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    Our kids were getting distracted at school because of their phones. We tried to limit their use by not allowing them to take them to school. Not only does this totally defeat the purpose of why we bought them phones in the first place (to contact them when we need to pick them up etc), but the school will actually do things that require phones, and ask them to do research on their phones in class. So they have to have their phones and get distracted.

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  17. Re:Intensive recovery program by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    Back in my day this was applied by being sent to the corner, with the outside of the palm to the cheeks or with a belt to the behind. Rarely needed more than single application to be fully recovered. Parents these days are soft

    Whenever I had the choice, I'd take the hitting. Gets it over with quickly. Now nonviolent methods like grounding, damn, those pissed me off.

    If assaulting your children worked, it would only need done once or twice. The parents I know that like to assault their kids seem to have to do it several times a day.

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  18. Re:Uhhh... by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    And when the school requires them to have a phone?

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  19. Some of it's real, some made up by ErichTheRed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just like every new technology changes culture, the smartphone era has its positive and negative changes in how people behave. We went from computers being nerd toys and business machines, to absolutely everyone having a computer in their pockets 24 hours a day, and it's only been about 9 or 10 years. Those of us working from the higher side of the tech spectrum have had to deal with apps that are dumbed down far enough that a non-computer user can mash the screen and use them, and of course we have kids using them as the new TV. I know my kids are heavily into YouTube, etc. The positives in my mind are this -- it's super-easy to find information when you need it now, and even though 99.99999% of the communication is junk, it does provide limited opportunities to connect with others. Another negative is that people are expecting insanely complex business applications to act exactly like their consumer phone apps, making life in IT extra-fun.

    As for "smartphone addiction" I have seen tantrums, etc. but I don't know about withdrawal symptoms. My kids love watching YouTube videos and playing games, but they know that when it's time to shut it of, it's time, and complaints get the phone put away for a while. I'm sure there are parents who don't care and park their kids in front of phones whenever they're not doing something. I've felt guilty lately because we're in the middle of moving and renovating a house, eating almost all our non-working lives -- and yes, I've been relying on it more as a tool so I can get some of the work done. (The kids are 3 and 6, their version of "helping" doesn't help at this stage.) But, I would hope most parents are remembering back to their days of being in front of the TV, or the Atari/Intellivision//NES/PlayStation. My poison was Intellivision and the VIC-20 back in the day -- I showed my older son some games in an emulator and he was...not impressed. :-) My mom and dad would just take it away when I'd had enough and make me go outside or do something non-tech related. I think most phone usage can be controlled in this way -- you're the parent, and you're paying the phone bills. Even if it's the kid's phone, it's still "yours" and they should remember that.

    Just like everything, there has to be a balance. I'm not sure how much I like the narcissistic social media crap, but we're not at that stage yet. They don't get Facebook for quite a while. I'm sure YOLO/FOMO have something to so with why people are reporting addiction symptoms though. I've seen adults who can't wait on a train platform for 10 minutes without instinctively picking up their phones. Actually, try 10 seconds -- nobody talks anymore, or stares out into space daydreaming, or god forbid has a conversation with a stranger.

  20. Re:Smartphones are currently the best default choi by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    masturbate

    You should suggest intercourse instead.

    No, this is Slashdot.

  21. Re:Intensive recovery program by GNious · · Score: 1

    Kids get accustomed to physical abuse :/

  22. Re:Intensive recovery program by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    Kids get accustomed to physical abuse :/

    Sure they do. My father could kick my ass, and I'd go back outside to do whatever I wanted to do. That's not just getting used to it, it's taking the easiest route. I wasn't really in what wold be called a physically abusive family at the time. Walloping kids wasn't that unusual. though.

    In a effort to break the stupid cycle, I made certain not to ever hit my kid. Worked out just fine. Turned out he hated sitting on a couch in the living room with nothing to do except read a book.

    Some folks say this won't work, and no doubt there are some children with impulse control issues built in. But for most kids, understanding that they will be treated to a few hours of boredom works a lot better than repeatedly hitting them.

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  23. Re:Smartphones are currently the best default choi by sjames · · Score: 1

    The problem is indeed a lack of moderation, but it's on the parts of the parents and the rest of the society. If you want the kids to find something better than the smartphone you have to actually let them leave the house and congregate somewhere else with their friends. When you have child services freaking out if they see a child without a parent and in the UK you have shops emitting a painful mosquito like whine while in the U.S. you have legal curfews and unaccompanied teens banned from the mall. The woods were mostly cut down and paved over. The bit that's left is called a park and guess what? With parks come police that don't much enjoy unaccompanied teens and children running about. All they have left is the smartphone.

    You might think the grown-ups could figure that out, but apparently not.

  24. Re: wtf is an 8 year old doing with a smart phone by Time_Ngler · · Score: 1

    And two out of three of those things require cellphones!

  25. Re:Smartphones are currently the best default choi by geekmux · · Score: 1

    ...All they have left is the smartphone.

    How ironic society is so worried about kids getting into trouble while blindly handing them this addictive weapon of decay.