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Supercomputers Help Researchers Find Two New Kinds Of Magnets (phys.org)

"Predicting magnets is a heck of a job, and their discovery is very rare," said a mechanical engineering professor at Duke University. But after years of work synthesizing various predictions, material scientists "predicted and built two new magnetic materials, atom-by-atom, using high-throughput computational models." An anonymous reader quotes Phys.org: The success marks a new era for the large-scale design of new magnetic materials at unprecedented speed. Although magnets abound in everyday life, they are actually rarities -- only about 5% of known inorganic compounds show even a hint of magnetism. And of those, just a few dozen are useful in real-world applications because of variability in properties such as effective temperature range and magnetic permanence...

In a new study, materials scientists from Duke University provide a shortcut in this process. They show the capability to predict magnetism in new materials through computer models that can screen hundreds of thousands of candidates in short order. And, to prove it works, they've created two magnetic materials that have never been seen before.

"The first alloy is particularly interesting," reports the International Business Times, "because it contains no rare-earth materials, which are both expensive and difficult to acquire." But a Duke mechanical engineering professor points out that "It doesn't really matter if either of these new magnets proves useful in the future. The ability to rapidly predict their existence is a major coup and will be invaluable to materials scientists moving forward."

79 comments

  1. Doesn't Matter by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

    "It doesn't really matter if either of these new magnets proves useful in the future. The ability to rapidly predict their existence is a major coup and will be invaluable to scientists making drinking wagers moving forward."

    fixed that

  2. Which supercomputer? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Interesting

    TFA seems to leave out a lot of important geeky details. Like which supercomputer was used? How many hours of CPU (or maybe GPU?) time was used? Since they were running hundreds of models in parallel, why did they need a supercomputer at all? Wouldn't it have been more cost effective to rent compute servers in the cloud?

    1. Re:Which supercomputer? by TeknoHog · · Score: 0

      Also: Magnets, how do they work?

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    2. Re:Which supercomputer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All of that information and more was lost when a professor used one of the new magnets to attach a sticky note to the side of his terminal.

    3. Re:Which supercomputer? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 0

      They work inside cloud computers processors, apparently.

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    4. Re:Which supercomputer? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Are the magnets any damn good? There are plenty of poor quality magnetic materials, like the old alnico series.

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    5. Re:Which supercomputer? by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Alnico magnets are awesome as pole pieces in pickups for electric guitars and basses. This year I started winding my own bass pickups, after testing many commercial pickups to get a sense of how the physical parameters affect tone. I can tell you that the kind of magnet you use makes an obvious difference to the sound of the instrument. It's not just about the net strength and geometry of the fields. Alnico magnets - but not ceramic, nor Nd - get eddy currents induced inside them from the vibrating strings, and this affects how they sound. I wonder whether Co2MnTi would also have these. I get the impression it's not a proper homogeneous alloy, so maybe not. Still, more info and a comparison field strengths would be useful. To a musician, a new type of magnet might be something like a newly discovered species of aromatic fruit: You immediately wonder what new aesthetic experiences it would allow for.

    6. Re:Which supercomputer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TFA seems to leave out a lot of important geeky details. Like which supercomputer was used? How many hours of CPU (or maybe GPU?) time was used? Since they were running hundreds of models in parallel, why did they need a supercomputer at all? Wouldn't it have been more cost effective to rent compute servers in the cloud?

      And also the oft-forgotten component, what software was being used.

    7. Re:Which supercomputer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't be such a clown.

  3. Rare-Earths aren't rare! by darthsilun · · Score: 2

    ... rare-earth materials, which are both expensive and difficult to acquire."

    or

    http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26687605 (amongst others) that claim Rare-Earths are not rare and by extension not necessarily expensive or even very difficult to acquire.

    Which is it then? Who should we believe?

    1. Re: Rare-Earths aren't rare! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My understanding was that they were cheap and plentiful from China, but lately they've been hoarding for themselves.

    2. Re:Rare-Earths aren't rare! by swb · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not rare but they produce a ton of toxic waste being processed. It all went to China because they could do it cheaper and eat the toxic waste, too.

      When China were embargoing exports (or talking about it) there was talk of granting exceptions to a closed mine in California to re-open as a strategic hedge.

    3. Re:Rare-Earths aren't rare! by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2

      They are not rare.
      And so cheap right now that plenty of mines in the americas are closed.

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    4. Re:Rare-Earths aren't rare! by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Rare earth mining does not produce toxic waste.
      Why would it?
      Basically you are just pit mining salts or digging out stones.

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    5. Re:Rare-Earths aren't rare! by haruchai · · Score: 1

      Not rare but they produce a ton of toxic waste being processed. It all went to China because they could do it cheaper and eat the toxic waste, too.

      A lot of that "waste" is thorium which I assume China is stockpiling.

      When China were embargoing exports (or talking about it) there was talk of granting exceptions to a closed mine in California to re-open as a strategic hedge.

      I thought that Mountain Pass mine should have been re-opened for several years but it seems the owner Molycorp was still in bankruptcy as of last fall ; hope the waste is being handled in a more environmentally friendly manner than before the closure.

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    6. Re: Rare-Earths aren't rare! by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      My understanding was that they were cheap and plentiful from China, but lately they've been hoarding for themselves.

      The US has a significant of places where rare earths could be mined. The only problem is inertia from the long permitting process required to get a new mine going.

    7. Re:Rare-Earths aren't rare! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a difference between being rare in some absolute sense, and economically viable concentrations being rare. A lot of those elements are very spread out with concentrated minerals being rare. And even when they are concentrated, they tend to come together, so it takes some effort to separate all of them out, with some elements being much more useful than others.

    8. Re:Rare-Earths aren't rare! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would it?

      Because the lanthanides and actinides tend to be chemically rather similar in minerals, so you get quite a lot of thorium and uranium in the tailings from deposits that are rich in rare earth minerals. These levels can be high enough to be an environmental problem while not being high enough to be economic to extract. Also, because the rare earth elements act very similarly chemically, the extraction process has a lot of byproducts (e.g. monazite extraction via concentrated sulfuric acid). You can find plenty of news articles about problems downstream from places the processing takes places, especially illegal operations with no effort to contain those byproducts.

      Basically you are just pit mining salts or digging out stones.

      Either you're completely ignorant of the consequences of mining, or you're just quoting some soundbite from some shill. Depending entirely what you're digging through and into, things like acid mine drainage can be a serious problem even when just digging out "salts" and "stone". Even the open pit mines at Bayan Obo have issues with sulfuric acid runoff.

    9. Re:Rare-Earths aren't rare! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No in as much rare, more low density and harder to get at.
      Rarer would be more correct.

      Produces a metric fuckton of waste products too, some of which can be toxic depending on the area or minerals you are after.
      That makes the prize all that much sweeter. (and life-shortening)

    10. Re: Rare-Earths aren't rare! by Aristos+Mazer · · Score: 1

      And the fact that a lot of the places to mine involve drinking water, endangered species, people's homes, existing structures... I would hardly call the regulatory process "the only problem." That rather seriously mischaracterizes the issue, as if it is the government needlessly standing in the way of harvesting these materials. The regulatory process is there to sort out competing claims for use of land and resources.

    11. Re:Rare-Earths aren't rare! by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      And so cheap right now that plenty of mines in the americas are closed.

      They are only cheap when you shit up the planet with no remorse, which is why they are coming out of China. But anyone buying them is funding the shitting up of the planet.

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    12. Re:Rare-Earths aren't rare! by necro81 · · Score: 1

      Part of the problem is that they have a lot of chemical similarities, and so are difficult to separate from one another and to purify to the point where you can do something useful with them.

      and while it is true that the rare earths are actually pretty easy to find, the natural concentrations tend to be quite low, making it not commercially viable in most places.

    13. Re:Rare-Earths aren't rare! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you even bother to look for an answer before spouting off more ignorant bullshit?

      Here you go. That was hard./s

      You are living proof that idiots are all around us.

    14. Re:Rare-Earths aren't rare! by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      The Chinese mine them in deserts.
      Wow ... how much can you shit up there?
      Mining Rare Earth minerals is just producing a lot of sand. And if you refine them in place a lot of salts.
      Who cares about that? Most of the 'waste' stuff can be sold anyway.

      You are smarter than most americans, why don't you read an article about it?

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  4. What was the purpose? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Was the point of this to find new magnets by using computers, or by using newly created material to verify computer algorithms?

    That's like your QA team making better products to test the inferior product meant to be sold.

    1. Re:What was the purpose? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      I predict the existence of new magnets by looking for advertising attached to a relatively thick but flexible rubbery base.

  5. That's not all their supercomputers discovered! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Duke University's Gender Studies Department used the supercomputer to discover two new genders previously unknown to gender scientists. And in a complementary study, their English Department is planning to research possible new pronouns. Go Blue Devil Supercomputer!

  6. Three videos tried to play at the same time... by Pezbian · · Score: 1

    on that no rare earth materials page. One I understand. But three?! Cacaphony of GTFO no matter how good of a read the article may have been.

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  7. Re: the question needs to be asked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The scientific explanation: God makes one end of magnets attractive to other end, just like he made women attractive to men. Anything else is an abomination.

  8. Question for the Physicists. by sycodon · · Score: 0

    I just don't get something about permanent magnets.

    A magnet exerts force, no?

    Exerting force requires energy, no?

    Where is the energy in a magnet? How is it obtained, stored, replenished?

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    1. Re:Question for the Physicists. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Energy is force over distance parallel to force. In another example, the Earth exerts a force on the moon, but the force is all perpendicular to distance travelled so there's no net energy change for the system.

    2. Re:Question for the Physicists. by Immerman · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Not quite true - the moon doesn't orbit in a perfect circle, so it moves nearer and further away from Earth, speeding up and slowing down in the process, and so there is in fact a cyclic energy transformation between kinetic energy and potential energy. The overall energy though remains constant though.

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    3. Re:Question for the Physicists. by Megol · · Score: 1

      My understanding, probably wrong.

      Yes. Due to interactions with other magnetic objects.
      Yes.
      Nowhere, the energy comes from external sources - a potential energy between two magnetic objects have to be in place for there to be any force. By magnetizing with an external magnetic field, in the electron spin of the magnet atoms, it isn't.

    4. Re:Question for the Physicists. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The overall energy though remains constant though.

      No, it doesn't. If it did the Earth's rotation wouldn't be slowing quite as much as it is.

    5. Re:Question for the Physicists. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, this is an elemental misunderstanding. Magnetism is inherent in the makeup of atoms, and thus of magnetic materials. Electrons have a negative charge and protons have a positive charge. As per Maxwell and the theory of Electromagnetism, electricity and magnetism are permanently and inextricably intertwined.

      OK, so the "force" a magnet exerts is always sourced from outside the magnet itself. Therefore looking for an energy source inside the magnet is hopeless and useless; there is no internal energy source powering a magnet.

      Imagine a magnet being attracted to a piece of metal. As they move together and within the effective range of the magnetic field, it looks like the magnet "pulls" the metal towards it, right? Wrong.

      The only force involved was propelling the magnet and the metal towards each other, and that was an external force applied. But Wait you say! Once within the range of the magnetic field, the magnet still pulled the metal in, right? Still wrong. Those two objects began falling inwards towards their lowest common energy state. And that energy state is a property of, wait for it, the magnet and the piece of metal. It's an inherent materials property.

      Think of it like this. The Earth has gravity, and gravity draws other objects in too, right? So what energy source drives gravity? And the answer is *nothing*. Gravity is an inherent property of mass. What draws objects with mass together is, those objects are falling towards their lowest common energy state.

      Einstein actually said that gravity isn't a force, it's a warping of SpaceTime. Thus it is conceptually correct to think of gravitational attraction like falling to the bottom of a dent or hole in spacetime. This is tricky for us to imagine though, because in this view there is no "gravity" and there is no "force" pulling those objects down. What pulls them down is a universal desire for all matter to occupy the lowest possible energy state.

    6. Re: Question for the Physicists. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is interesting and completely wrong.

    7. Re:Question for the Physicists. by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Okay, fair enough, but that energy transfer is nigh imperceptible compared to the changes over the course of every month.

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    8. Re:Question for the Physicists. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

      Exerting force requires energy, no?

      No. A force does not require energy. Only moving against a force requires energy. E=F*D. A newton is force, but a newton-meter is energy. So the magnet on your refrigerator does not use energy, but energy is required to pull it off.

      How is it obtained, stored, replenished?

      Here is a really cool fact that you can use to impress chicks at cocktail parties: A magnetic force and an electrical force are the SAME THING. The only difference is your inertial frame of reference. Let's say you have two parallel copper wires with current flowing through them. The negative charge in the electrons and the positive charge in the copper nuclei should cancel each other out, and there should be no force between them. BUT THERE IS. This is magnetism. But it is really just plain only electrical attraction because the electrons are moving, so their inertial reference frame is different from the reference frame of the copper nuclei. A moving reference frame has a Lorentz contraction, so the copper nuclei "see" more electrons per length of wire, resulting in an attraction.

    9. Re:Question for the Physicists. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "What pulls them down is a universal desire for all matter to occupy the lowest possible energy state."

      Sounds Aristotelian.

      And how do you know the desire is universal? Don't particles pop into existence? Why are galaxies going away faster and faster?

    10. Re: Question for the Physicists. by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Oh? Please correct me then.

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    11. Re:Question for the Physicists. by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

      I just don't get something about permanent magnets.

      A magnet exerts force, no?

      Exerting force requires energy, no?

      Where is the energy in a magnet? How is it obtained, stored, replenished?

      Magnets have a potential energy relative to a magnetic sample at any distance away, but the attraction falls off steeply, so you have to get close for the attraction to matter.

      Once you get close, the magnet's pull will be felt, and the object will be attracted to the magnet. Let it move closer (It's on a string), and potential energy between the pair is reduced. To reverse it, just pull the string, which takes force-over-distance, and so you have invested energy to pull the little sample away. Energy is conserved.

    12. Re:Question for the Physicists. by poodlediagram · · Score: 4, Interesting

      A permanent magnet is polarized by something called the exchange field. This is related to the Pauli exclusion principle and the Coulomb interaction and happens spontaneously. Energy is stored in the electronic state as kinetic, external and interaction (this includes the magnetic dipole field energy)

      These two new magnets are unlikely to replace the current champion (neodymium-iron-boron), or be particularly useful as permanent magnets at all. The reason is that the researchers only calculated the moment and Curie temperature. A good permanent magnet should also have a high magnetic anisotropy energy (MAE) as well. The Heusler alloys are predominantly cubic and so have a very low MAE.

      How do I know this? We just spent three years doing exactly the same thing: spending thousands of CPU hours trying to find a good magnet among the Heuslers. All to no avail.

    13. Re: Question for the Physicists. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Compare the magnet to a gravity well. You /can/ generate energy by dropping stuff down the well, but you'll soon run out of magnetic field if you stick iron onto a magnet. To get it out of the field again, you need to use as much energy as you gained. And in no case do you gain more energy than what went into setting the magnetic field.
      If you by "permanent magnet motor" mean some sort of motor that does work using only magnets and no external input of energy, those don't exist. If you mean stepper or synchronous motors with permanent magnets in the rotor, those don't deplete the magnetic fields in the rotor, they only push and/or pull against them to make the rotor spin.

    14. Re: Question for the Physicists. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can extract stored energy by demagnetizing a permanent magnet. One of the metrics for permanent magnets amounts to the stored energy density, although it is very low compared to something like a battery or even capacitor. It should be obvious that cycles involving permanent magnets don't always end up with what you started, because there are processes for magnetizing them in the first places. Some of those processes can be reversed. If you get further into the details, you can design refrigeration cycles based on such cycles.

    15. Re:Question for the Physicists. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This post seems to be making things more obtuse on purpose...

      OK, so the "force" a magnet exerts is always sourced from outside the magnet itself.

      All of the fundamental forces amount to a force exerted on a second object outside the first object... but also the reaction force on the first object.

      And that energy state is a property of, wait for it, the magnet and the piece of metal. It's an inherent materials property.

      All energy that is not simple kinetic energy comes down to the relative positioning of things. It takes energy to setup various arrangement of things, whether looking at charges, nucleons, or magnetic dipoles. Magnets aren't any different from anything else in this regard, so the above explanation looks more like a deflection than answers.

      Yes, when you have an arrangement of macroscopic magnets and other objects that move together, you can say the energy comes from the original positioning of objects, just like the energy from something falling comes from the energy used to lift the object in the first place. But you can also have internal energy arrangements. You can store and extract energy in batteries and capacitors due to the internal arrangement of charges. You can also store energy in permanent magnets from the internal arrangement of the magnetic dipoles. You can store energy in the magnetic field within an electromagnet, which is the principle behind things like inductors and transformers.

      Once within the range of the magnetic field, the magnet still pulled the metal in, right? Still wrong.

      Of course you could just have a magnetic that turns on and off... and that turning on and off will move the metal plate or not. It is the magnetic field causing the motion and the magnet is the source of that, even if the exact outcome depends on the particular arrangement and particular material you use for the plate.

    16. Re:Question for the Physicists. by rkordmaa · · Score: 1

      Not quite, exerting force does not require actually spending energy. My bottom exerts force to the couch with zero energy expenditure. There is stored potential energy, true, but you don't spend it if there is no work actually being done. Were I to fall off the couch I would spend a tiny fraction of that potential energy and have to do some work to get it back. Gravity and electromagnetism are quite different forces, but in this instance they can be viewed in a similar model I think.

    17. Re: Question for the Physicists. by nuckfuts · · Score: 1

      Fucking magnets. How do they work?

    18. Re: Question for the Physicists. by Beyond_GoodandEvil · · Score: 1

      Came here expecting this comment, was not disappointed.

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    19. Re:Question for the Physicists. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's to do with the way electrons arrange themselves into shells around atoms. Since electrons are in permanent motion, each electron contributes a small magnetic momentum. As each shell fills up close to halfway, the total magnetic momentum increases. But as the shell becomes more than half full, the electrons start to pair up but with opposite spin, so the magnetic momentum cancels out. You could imagine each electron as a small electric motor generating it's own magnetic field.

      https://www.doitpoms.ac.uk/tlplib/ferromagnetic/why_magnetic.php

    20. Re:Question for the Physicists. by rgbatduke · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Here is a really cool fact that you can use to impress chicks at cocktail parties: A magnetic force and an electrical force are the SAME THING. The only difference is your inertial frame of reference. Let's say you have two parallel copper wires with current flowing through them. The negative charge in the electrons and the positive charge in the copper nuclei should cancel each other out, and there should be no force between them. BUT THERE IS. This is magnetism. But it is really just plain only electrical attraction because the electrons are moving, so their inertial reference frame is different from the reference frame of the copper nuclei. A moving reference frame has a Lorentz contraction, so the copper nuclei "see" more electrons per length of wire, resulting in an attraction.

      No. Magnetic and electrical force and energy aren't exactly "the same thing". The magnetic and electric field are both components of the second rank field strength tensor, the Lorentz force in electromagnetic theory is not just the Lorentz transform of the Coulomb force, and magnetic and electric field energies are independently summed when assembling the total electromagnetic field energy density. Finally, good luck describing electron spin and the resultant intrinsic magnetic dipole moment in terms of a Lorentz transformation of the bare Coulomb field of the (point) charge -- there is no rotating frame or mass moving around mass.

      There are basically two different ways to discuss them. One way is to stop talking about electric and magnetic fields independently at all and only work with the electromagnetic field (strength tensor) where the electric and magnetic components are NOT THE SAME and do NOT HAVE THE SAME SYMMETRY. The other way is to pretend (as most intro books do, because usually it works pretty well if you're considering low velocities and coarse-grain-averaged "smooth" charge/current densities) that E and B are ordinary vectors and write down Maxwell's equations. There are FOUR of them -- two if you go with the covariant field strength tensor formulation, and you cannot write them all down in terms of a single vector field (or the resultant force).

      F_e = qE (F, E vectors)
      F_b = q v x B (F, v, B vectors)

      The electrostatic force obeys Newton's third law. The magnetic force (with the cross product) does not,. and one has to work very hard indeed to find the missing energy and momentum in the electromagnetic field when two charged particles interact in the general case.

      Sadly, I haven't found that knowing graduate level electrodynamics well enough to teach it impresses chicks at cocktail parties.

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    21. Re: Question for the Physicists. by Immerman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I was referring, badly, to motors using permanent magnets in the stator or armature, as opposed to those based entirely on electromagnets.

      Actually though, you can make temporarily "perpetual motion" magnetic motors that draw power entirely from draining the energy stored in the magnets - for example, picture the situation where magnets on the rim of a wheel are attracted to a stationary magnet nearby. Then, roughly at the point of closest approach, the rim magnets pass behind some form of shielding so that there is no symmetrical force required for them to be moved away again. Unlike gravity (so far as we know) magnetic fields can be blocked, and so the rim magnets will perpetually "fall" towards the stationary one until the magnetic field is drained. You can do something similar with electrostatics as well, and many people have convinced themselves they've managed to create a perpetual motion machine that way.

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    22. Re:Question for the Physicists. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't be this dumb.

    23. Re:Question for the Physicists. by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      No, magnetism isn't a force. It's a field. Much like a gravitational field - a distortion of the continuum. Magnetic force is what you get when two such distortions interact, much as gravitational force comes from the interactions of 2 objects with masses. There is potential energy, but until something moves, it's not "real" energy.

    24. Re:Question for the Physicists. by mbkennel · · Score: 1

      > A magnet exerts force, no?

      A permanent magnet creates a static magnetic field, which can exert forces against moving or spinning charges.

      > Exerting force requires energy, no?

      What do mean by 'exerting'? Generally the answer is 'no'. Magnetic fields will bend the motion of charged particles.

      > Where is the energy in a magnet?

      A magnetic field has an energy density everywhere in space proportional to the square of the field strength.

      Where did it come from in a permanent magnet? It happens that electrons, on their own, naturally make a magnetic field because they are born that way and they can't ever stop doing that. But almost all of the time, electrons are pointing in random directions so their fields cancel and don't add up to very much. Except in a permanent (ferromagnet) where certain unusual properties of the electron clouds in the compounds make it energetically favorable for certain electrons to line up in an organized formation in the same direction, whereas most of the time, it's the other way around, the lower energy state is when the electrons oppose one another so there's no big magnetic field. So in that case any energy in formation comes from the chemical reactions to make the material itself.

    25. Re:Question for the Physicists. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      try looking for an aluminum magnet, or glass, or wood... it seems that ferrous-seeking magnets are ALL over the place and the other three are untapped markets ready for your exploitation.

    26. Re:Question for the Physicists. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Re: "...impress chicks at cocktail parties: A magnetic force and an electrical force are the SAME THING."

      OK, I can't imagine that impressing even 0.01% of chicks. A geek chick, possibly, except that a geek chick probably already knows that. The only remaining avenue to impress is to astonish the geek chick that you know it. Otherwise, nada.

      Hey, you do what you have to in order to impress the ladies, I get it. But this particular gambit is weak. And if you disagree... well then I'll be seeing you at the Friday, all-male, D&D game. Moar hit points!

    27. Re:Question for the Physicists. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think I'll use Occult's Razor and pick the GPs explanation over yours because it is simpler.

    28. Re:Question for the Physicists. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I second this. Wood magnets would be a game changer. First things first, though. One must first properly identify wood before doing experiments on it.

    29. Re:Question for the Physicists. by gotan · · Score: 1

      A magnet exerts force e.g. on another magnet. But exerting force doesn't require energy as long as nothing moves. Work (W) is force (F) times distance (s) (in direction of the force) W=F*s, so as long as s=0 no work is done, no Energy needed.

      Imagine the magnetic attraction replaced by a (extended) spring between the two metal parts. As long as nothing moves no energy needs to be replenished in the spring. If the metal parts are allowed to move closer energy is transferred from the spring to those parts (or whatever holds them apart), to "replenish" the energy you need to pull the parts apart again. To get back to the starting configuration you need to put back in as much work as the magnets released previously (here i simplified the magnets somewhat: they shouldn't magnetize/demagnetize each other or any material, there'd be effects like hysteresis and you need to put some additional work in and get some heat out).

      As to where the energy is "stored": it is in the magnetic field. When the magnets move closer together the magnetic field is in an altered configuration that requires less energy. The difference goes into the work W=F*s.

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  9. Re: the question needs to be asked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Women are attractive to men. I totally get that. I mean, just look at them - they're fucking hot.

    The real question is, men are really gross, so why are women attracted to men at all? Shouldn't they all be lesbians?

  10. Re: the question needs to be asked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They aren't. That's why you have to grab them by the pussy.

  11. Talking about rare by DesertNomad · · Score: 2

    One of the magnetic (actually anti-ferromagnetic) compounds discovered was Mn2PtPd. Pt and Pd are two orders of magnitude more rare than the "relatively common" rare earths...

    1. Re:Talking about rare by Rei · · Score: 2

      Yes, that would be the reason why they said that only one of the two magnets is particularly "interesting".

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    2. Re:Talking about rare by Overzeetop · · Score: 2

      Yeah, most "rare earth" metals are far from rare, and often not that expensive, as there are deposits all over the world. One of the difficulties is that China had a huge supply and was dumping them on the market to gain global share and drive other mines to close down (reducing competitors and allowing them to raise the price). That is, of course, until they became a manufacturing powerhouse and realized they should be keeping those elements in-country to bolster their total manufacturing chain. Then, of course, the prices really *did* go up due to lower (global) supply. But it had little or nothing to do with the rarity of the metals themselves.

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  12. Re:Duke stands with rich people... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A friend just posted a pic in with him wearing a Member's Only jacket. I asked if he was the last member. He beat my grandmother to death and my mother is now in the ICU after he kept hitting her in the face until she stopped breathing.

  13. Not new magnets, new magnetic substances by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Typical deceptive title. /. is really going to the dogs.

  14. Keep going... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...until you find magnetic materials suitable to mass produce tokamaks.

  15. Re: the question needs to be asked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Men are caring and protective.

  16. Re: the question needs to be asked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > why are women attracted to men at all?

    Stop listening to the misandry, men are fucking awesome. We have body hair, facial hair and muscles and we don't give a fuck. We tell stories and do awesome things our whole fucking lives. Stop the self hate.

  17. Not quite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More titel, pop-sci exaggeration. We dont know enough about the formation of these lattices to truly just calculate these new compounds. It MAYBE helps a chemist intuition but its only as good as the science that goes into the calculation - and right now we simply cant predict even the simplest systems. That dosnt stop people trying though.

  18. Re: the question needs to be asked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stop the self hate

    Thanks for interrupting your self love to post that

  19. This is not Design, dammit by TheSouthernDandy · · Score: 1

    The success marks a new era for the large-scale design of new magnetic materials

    No, it doesn't. This is screening, and regardless of how much those in the field of drug "design" and materials "design" use those words, it's not Design, and it's not Engineering. It's Discovery, and it's great that physics and computation have gotten to the point where we can actually discover useful things in silico much faster than at the bench. But engineering requires an understanding of the underlying relationship between materials composition and desired quantitative property, and that is largely still lacking. If it weren't, you'd be screening 10s of compounds, not ~10^5.

    Discovery and prediction are fine, no one will complain about the gold you get from panning for it. But don't dress it up in misleading language--true materials engineering and design are still a long way off.

  20. What is rare about rare earth? by wjcofkc · · Score: 1

    Rare earth metals are not scarce material. They are metals that occur together in nature and take a lot of effort to separate.

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  21. Upvote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Upvoted for being just the right combination of snark, logic, exasperation and on-point critique.

    You, SouthernDandy, do not win the internets today, but you struck a palpable hit!