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Newest Firefox Browser Bashes Crashes (cnet.com)
Nobody likes it when a web browser bombs instead of opening up a website. Mozilla is addressing that in the newly released v53 of its Firefox browser, which it claims crashes 10 percent fewer times. CNET adds: The improvement comes through the first big debut of a part of Project Quantum, an effort launched in 2016 to beef up and speed up Firefox. To improve stability, Firefox 53 on Windows machines isolates software called a compositor that's in charge of painting elements of a website onto your screen. That isolation into a separate computing process cuts down on trouble spots that can occur when Firefox employs computers' graphics chips, Mozilla said.
Maybe in 10 or 15 years Firefox will be production ready. So instead of crashing several times daily, it might only crash several times weekly. Not that you'd want to run it that long without restarting the app since it'll be using all of your memory by the end of the day.
. . . firefox fixes a windows graphics crash bug by isolating the painting operations. A sad OS that need such things.
It used to be that open source software was recommended for reviving older hardware, but Firefox is dropping support for pre-Pentium 4 processors on Linux, 32 bit Macs and XP and Vista in this release. With the millions of Yahoo search dollars, they can afford to look after their legacy users, but they rather be chrome drones. Hopefully someone forks Firefox like there is a fork for PowerPC macs.
So, now they've put the renderer in a separate process with reduced privileges? Like, for example, every other web browser (including Edge and Safari) did for security last 5 or so years ago? Uh, yay?
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Maybe this means I'll make it a full 24 hours without a crash!
Seriously, Mozilla needs to reign in their garbage development cycle. They pump out new versions so rapidly it's a miracle that the browser runs at all...
The only reason I haven't dumped it completely yet is because there are some useful add-ons that aren't available for Chrome...
Seriously Mozilla, get your shit together. Firefox has gone from being my favorite browser simply to being the one I tolerate because it has some useful features. Chrome still stomps you in the speed department.
Run an ad/script blocker. But, like the other AC said, this is all the OS's fault.
I wanted the firefox that crashes bashes you insensitive clods!!
Good people go to bed earlier.
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Nice try, but every time I've upgraded your browser it broke or removed features I use, and added useless junk on top.
I used to upgrade to the latest software as soon as it came out, but it feels like the likes of Microsoft and Mozilla are intentionally trying to train me to treat every software update with utmost suspicion and as a measure of last resort.
That is all..
Firefox has been bashing and crashing since 51.0.
Before that it would just hang up, show a gray/white overlay, and then go back to normal.
But since 51 it has been crashing like a motherfucker.
Sadly i can't move from this pile of garbage because i love my addons, customization, and ability to open up videos via external application (player) too much.
But most importantly i love my Session Manager that actually works on 100 tabs thanks to tab lazy loading,
a feature which for some reason can't work at all on Chromium-based shit with the respective thread on Chrome ending
up with the devs admitting that their implementation is worthless because Chromium base doesn't allow it.
If anyone likes vertical tabs however and uses Firefox as an excuse for this only, i suggest to you to look up Vivaldi because their vertical tabs is good shit.
I can't see how the Firefox 57 release could possibly go down in a good way.
These changes have the potential to be the most disruptive ones to date, probably even worse than the Australis UI changes that drove away so many of Firefox's users earlier.
We aren't just talking about highly annoying UI changes here. We're talking about the risk for broken functionality, and in ways that aren't easily fixed. This is stuff that users can't just ignore or learn to work around.
If Firefox 57 does turn out to be the disaster that it could very easily become, I'm not certain that Firefox could survive it.
Firefox is already down to only about 5% to 6% of the browser market. It has almost no (0.03%) mobile presence.
Firefox really can't afford to lose any more users.
What's really bad about this situation is that it will likely be addon authors who are the most affected. These are the users that Firefox really, really can't afford to lose.
I mean, if I have to write my addons in a way that's compatible with Chrome, why would I even bother using Firefox at that point? Firefox is slower and more bloated that Chrome, in my experience. Firefox can also send a lot of info to Mozilla and others, so it's not like it's really any better when it comes to privacy.
If I'm going to get a Chrome-like UI experience from Firefox, and if I'm going to get a Chrome-like addon development experience from Firefox, and I'm going to get a Chrome-like privacy experience from Firefox, but Firefox's will feel slower than Chrome, then I might as well just use Chrome (or Chromium) directly.
I really don't like making this prediction, but I think that by this time next year we could see Firefox down around 1% or 2% of the browser market. At that point I think we'd have to consider it a lost cause. It's already close enough to being a lost cause as it is, while it's still around 5%.
Once Firefox gets below 5%, it just won't matter to web developers. They won't bother testing their sites in a browser that has so few users. The Firefox web experience will just end up getting worse and worse, until most of its users end up using Chrome.
We've seen this happen with Netscape Navigator, and it's looking like it's happening to Firefox now, too.
Nobody cares about your experiences with Firefox when all you have to say is the same thing people generally say about basically every software upgrade ever: "I don't like change".
Chrome crashes on me less than once a month (I typically have to reboot for security patches before Chrome chrashes). Firefox must be crashing a *lot* if a 10% reduction is significant.
I haven't had a crash in Firefox in years.
I like firefox as it is...or at least i like the way i have it set up with all my addons still functioning and the 'old firefox' looking UI. I'll see you all when 59 ESR is released.
Also for those who don't know, firefox has an extended support release which has just security updates for a year instead of their usual instance on removing/changing/breaking something with every new version number. Mad props to whoever it was who first alerted me to it.
Firefox does not crash for me under linux, hundred tabs open, many windows.
What usually crashes is the plugin container.
Some dammed java or flash locks up.
Fortunately I can kill the browser or browser window from a terminal.
Never crashes the system.
Nope. Some FireFox changes that enough people did not like have resulted in forks of the project
Change for the sake of change is dumb. Software people can't understand the fact that something might have a design end. Has the shape of a hammer changed in the past hundred years? No. Are these changes beneficial to anyone? Has an interface study been done on the results? I switched to Chrome after Firefox picked the "australis" look and became Chrome Junior.
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I use Firefox on several desktops and laptops at work (Windows and Linux) and I can't remember the last time I had a crash. I usually only have 2 or 3 extensions loaded and maybe up to 20 or so tabs. Memory usage seems to be a bit lower since v52 came out, but that might have to do with dropping support for most plugins.
We at Moz://a are pleased to announce that Firefox 57 will be the Chromium source code with all the icons changed to the Firefox logo. Now we don't have to actually work on our browser we can make fun of extension developers and see all the hard work they done wasted while we roll in the Yahoo sponsorship money.
On 6200 Windows clients and 1900 Mac's. Firefox is above and beyond the most crash prone browser - it even tops IE 11 (Fwiw Chrome > IE 11 > Firefox are the most used browsers in my organization according to software metering).
I use Firefox as my main browser, and I understand the problems some people have with it. Thing is, I tend to see Firefox's flaws as emerging from using it with lots of addons as intended. Adblock + noscript + various EFF tools are bound to bork it from time to time. I'm kind of impressed it's as stable as it is. Not to mention I'm the kind of crazy person who has 300 tabs open right now.
I used to use Opera as my secondary, back before they dropped Presto and abandoned their very functional email/rss components. Now it's Chrome with adblock.
It might be ironic that my favorite mobile browser was Safari with adblock. Never had a single problem with it. Plus Apple for all their faults has been willing to tell bloatware peddlers to go hang themselves.
Marketing genius! Is it tough on crashes? Does it stamp the crashes out? Does it get the crashes before they get you? I could keep doing this all day. If you'd like I can hire my marketing skills out on a very affordable rate.
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100 years might be a bit of an understatement; claw hammers may have been first invented by the Romans shortly before the common era (I cannot find any hard sources, unfortunately), and can be seen in artwork no less than 500 years old. One can be fairly plainly seen at the left-middle of this engraving: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
There is no XUL, only WebExtensions...
They are going to write the browser to handle multiple advertisements at once. ( over 30 per refresh). So hold on, those ads will be flying in your face from now on.
Yo!
Either implement proper tree-style tabs down the left in a collapsible sidebar, or die.
Chrome is SHIT with tabs across the top in a toolbar. It can handle, what, a dozen, or so, before getting cramped?
Tree-style. Tabs. Sidebar.
Evolve or die. Your browser is not capable of satisfying a heavy user.
I have 300 tabs, with 700 on reserve in other instances of firefox
And yes, Within a week I'll visit them all.
Grow up.
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A fresh install of Firefox on a fresh install of Fedora Linux is as crazy-unstable as the worst software I've seen.
Open a few websites in tabs (news, tech info, etc NOT porn/pirated movies/etc) and the things slows even a quad core CPU to a crawl consuming 100%+ of CPU and memory while caching gigabytes on the hard drive, which it HAMMERS relentlessly. IF you can get Firefox to shut down, it can take 10 minues and leaves its "Web Content" task running and hammering the drives, so shutting down the Linux box can tak half an hour (unless you go root and kill the Web Content task). The EXACT same setup, when running anything other than Firefox has no such problems, and even running Firefox has no such problems browsing simple web pages on a local LAN. My suspicion is on Firefox and a developer team that might not be testiing all their exciting new code on enough platforms and with enough common web sites, and probably related to the pre-caching of web content (which probably includes pre-caching TONS of ad content, tracking scripts, etc). I have repeated this experiment on multiple PCs. I run my business on Linux and have a bunch of PCs, most of which are dual or quad cores not the newest CPUs, but that should not be an issue unless crappy lazy coding and testing is now the norm at mozilla - not everybody runs hardware thats less than 6 months old.
When Firefox added extra security. They added a huge bug. I now find that I often get a black screen, after which no pages will load properly. I've largely been unable to use Firefox for the past few weeks.
Check my post history, I've been posting about that browser for a decade. I was THE diehard, I loathed Chrome.
I fought tooth and nail to keep Firefox, I hate many things Chrome does, which FF does better. It looks better, the plugins (I use) are much better, it's a great browser with a little work.
EXCEPT IT IS IMMENSELY SLOW.
and I don't mean "oh golly, that's not snappy" I mean it's SLOW, frequently delays, lag, lockups, freezes, script errors (slow, then error), more slow, lag, it's just atrocious, it's awful. They should stop coding for a YEAR and just optomise it.
I really feel horrible even posting this from Chrome, the thought breaks my heart, but guess what? IT'S NOT INCREDIBLY OMG HOLY ....... god damn slow,.....
Sorry Mozilla, it's over - I had my say on the reddit firefox site and that's it, I'm out - no more. I can not endure that performance any longer - it's been 2 years and I tried every god damn thing.
So long. Sorry.
Firefox crashes once a day here since version 52 and even with 53. With 51 it was stable. Possibly Quantum is more the problem than the solution?