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No Longer a Dream: Silicon Valley Takes On the Flying Car (theverge.com)

Last year, Bloomberg reported that Google co-founder Larry Page had put money in two "flying car" companies. One of those companies, Kitty Hawk, has published the first video of its prototype aircraft. From a report on The Verge: The company describes the Kitty Hawk Flyer as an "all-electric aircraft" that is designed to operate over water and doesn't require a pilot's license to fly. Kitty Hawk promises people will be able to learn to fly the Flyer "in minutes." A consumer version will be available by the end of this year, the company says. The video is part commercial and part test footage, starting with a lakeside conversation between friends about using the Flyer to meet up before switching to what The New York Times says are shots of an aerospace engineer operating the craft in Northern California.

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  1. Flying car? by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In what way is that a "car"?

    eg. Where do the kids/shopping go? If it rains you'll get wet.

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    1. Re:Flying car? by pr0fessor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      it looks more like a flying jet ski... cool yes, car no.

    2. Re:Flying car? by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      Well to call it a flying car I think it should meet the following criteria.
      1. Be able to fit on a standard 1 lane road and inside a 1 car garage and parking spot.
      2. It should be able by its own power park in such garage.
      3. It should be able to carry at least 2 people. (Bonus points for side by side)
      4. It should fly for at least 100 miles without a refill.
      5. Flight speeds should exceed 60 mph
      6. It should be fully covered to protest
      7. Driving controls should be simple and straight forward.
      8. Fuel economy should be similar to that of an automobile.
      9. Enough safety procedures to not make it risky drive.

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    3. Re: Flying car? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's always the biggest problem. Cars make terrible planes. Planes make terrible cars. A hybrid car-plane makes terrible planes and cars.

      What needs to be targeted to something which can get you to parking, nearby to your destination, and then you use public transport to get to your destination. The whole concept of driving your plane on the highways is problematic. Not to mention, what about air safety when your car-plane has been involved in an accident? Do you trust that every potential fatigue issue has been resolved? Will you die 100-hours later because some minor thing became an issue from operational vibrations?

    4. Re: Flying car? by Megane · · Score: 2

      For example, two months ago I drove about two miles on a horribly bumpy dirt road. Two weeks later and I had a coolant leak. Turned out that a hose clamp had come loose. Hmm, I wonder how that could have happened?

      Seriously, flying cars are probably the dumbest idea that just won't die.

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    5. Re: Flying car? by rogoshen1 · · Score: 2

      Right? i was driving to work this morning and some dingus was going 58 miles an hour in the left lane (4 lane highway, two in each direction). No one in front of him, huge pile of cars behind him.

      Given how bad people are at driving, and how they manage to cock up a morning commute for everyone around them, giving them an extra dimension in which to fuck around is just going to be a disaster.

      (This is without mentioning the obvious need for special camps in which to put people like the driver above.)

  2. Floating aircraft, roadable airplanes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is as close as we've gotten so far. Not that there's anything wrong with buoyant / water based aircraft or roadable airplanes - but they're not flying cars

  3. Still a dream by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem with flying cars is neither technical nor financial. They will remain a dream. People can't even be trusted to move vehicles around on the ground without killing themselves or others. Flying cars will forever remain a dream even after they demonstrate a prototype, and even after they start offering them for sale.

    1. Re:Still a dream by vtcodger · · Score: 2

      "The problem with flying cars, is that they will not be able to compete with Hyperloop."

      Hyperloop hardware is probably doable. But with costs for serious transportation tunnels in urban areas running well over $1,000,000,000 per mile. (Boston's Big Dig, Seattle's Alaskan Way Viaduct) I'm not sure hyperloop will ever get off (OK, OK, under ...) the ground.

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  4. Air traffic? by Diakoneo · · Score: 2

    Honestly - do you REALLY want to be up in the air with dozens of people who "learned to fly in minutes"?

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  5. Where are the speakers? by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    How does it play such loud music while it's flying?

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  6. LOOOOOOOOOL by sexconker · · Score: 2

    I'm usually against clicking any of the links and reading the article, but do yourself a favor and click on the link for the video.
    This is a joke so big that it'll carry me through Monday.

  7. Energy is the problem by captaindomon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Energy is the problem, and it's pure physics so we won't be able to get around it. Burning energy to hover someone in the air against gravity, especially if they are mostly "hovering" and not flying 500 MPH forward, is going to be orders of magnitude more energy required than rolling them forward on wheels. The majority of the energy will be spent on the horizontal vector, not the forward vector. So unless we suddenly develop anti-gravity technology from aliens, or we want to increase the energy required for transportation by a few orders of magnitude, it's not going to happen.

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  8. We have flying cars... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...They are called airplanes. And there is a reason who don't just let people willy-nilly drive them around like we do cars

  9. Yes still a dream by Lumpy · · Score: 2

    1 99.999765% of car drivers can barely handle 2 dimensions, going flying in 3 dimensions? Not a chance in hell.
    2 the FAA will require a pilots license
    3 the FAA will require aircraft maintenance. This means 99.999768% of all typical car owners will never be able to own one as they will whine like hungry babies when told they need to spend $8900 to have the engine rebuilt that is working just fine. Yes the FAA requires scheduled engine rebuilding.
    4 Parking and FAA flight restrictions means you cant just fly from home to work.

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    1. Re:Yes still a dream by captaindomon · · Score: 4, Informative

      Case in point: Utah just dropped mandatory safety inspections for cars because people didn't like them. Eleven other states don't require any kind of safety inspection. That's somewhat OK in cars, where if something goes horribly wrong your car mostly coasts to the side of the road. With flight, if something goes horribly wrong you mostly die. So yeah, going from that to aircraft-level maintenance ain't going to happen normal drivers. http://fox13now.com/2017/03/26... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    2. Re:Yes still a dream by b0bby · · Score: 2

      2 the FAA will require a pilots license

      This flying jet ski is supposedly an ultralight; a true single seat ultralight requires no license to fly (assuming it meets the requirements of Part 103 for an ultralight aircraft).

      3 the FAA will require aircraft maintenance. This means 99.999768% of all typical car owners will never be able to own one as they will whine like hungry babies when told they need to spend $8900 to have the engine rebuilt that is working just fine. Yes the FAA requires scheduled engine rebuilding.

      FAA does not require ultralights to have any proof of airworthiness. It is the responsibility of the owner to make sure the ultralight is safe to fly.

  10. Re:Flying Law Mower by s.petry · · Score: 2

    You need to null out idiots. They're everywhere as part of the noise, and cannot be eliminated.

    You can't null the idiots, which is why we have to have so many regulations on roads and vehicles. Once you add safety features the flying lawn mower, they lose the ability to fly. I'm sure you understand the basics of physics and weight limitations for lift.

    Wind gusts-- yep, need stabilizers. But we deal with black ice, snow, and have to dodge stuff with cars, like the dog that ran out into the road in front of me, this morning.

    These flying lawn mowers are skimming 10-15 ft above surface, reaction time in wind requires a hell of a lot more than simple stabilizers. 0 for 2 on Science, lets see how bad you really are.

    Your Edward Scissors-Hand thinking is a bit goofy. In urban environments, we're running out of space close to ground, because we can't convince people to take public transportation, although much of public transportation lacks convenience.

    And you won't convince many people that an open deck flying platform with little to no weight bearing capability is better than the bus. These things will cost huge amounts of money to "drive", get insanely poor mileage, and be extremely expensive to insure. This is not the car we see in the Movies, this is a small flying drone with humans as the casualty. In terms of Science, you just struck out.

    Will stuff fall out of the sky? Probably. Will we sue the living hell out of people that do this? Yep.

    As mentioned above, they would have to have insurance. Insurance for these would be insanely high. This is a product that few people could afford to use, let alone would bother using.

    The early adopters will be the super-rich. If you look at SillyCon Valley, they pay jaw-dropping amounts of money for simple housing, so a flying drone car that gets them over the 101 to their offices filled with barristas and pool tables is a no-brainer.

    Yeah, and it'll stay that way until we have an actual flying car (which this is not). Reality. You should see if you can find some.

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