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Wikipedia Founder Jimmy Wales is Launching an Online Publication To Fight Fake News (cnn.com)
Jimmy Wales, a founder of Wikipedia, is launching a new online publication which will aim to fight fake news by pairing professional journalists with an army of volunteer community contributors. The news site is called Wikitribune. From a report: "We want to make sure that you read fact-based articles that have a real impact in both local and global events," the publication's website states. The site will publish news stories written by professional journalists. But in a page borrowed from Wikipedia, internet users will be able to propose factual corrections and additions. The changes will be reviewed by volunteer fact checkers. Wikitribune says it will be transparent about its sources. It will post the full transcripts of interviews, as well as video and audio, "to the maximum extent possible." The language used will be "factual and neutral."
Volunteer contributors of inherently subjective reports? Articles that are meant to be temporal, but that can be edited like wikipedia? Nothing could go wrong here. No sir.
/ not all ideas are good ideas.
I'm sure it won't please the current undesirable inhabitant of a certain white house but to sane minded people this can only be a good thing.
If there's anything I've learned about journalism in the last 41 years, it's that everyone puts their own slant on it. Regardless of their politics.
When Wikipedia was proposed, I thought the original intent was that Wikipedia would be the drawing board for Nupedia articles maintained by professional writers. Is there a similar relationship between Wikinews and Wikitribune?
RTFA? I closed the CNN tab when an ad started playing audio.
The Hegellian Dialectic @ work & why: Thesis vs. AntiThesis for "order out of chaos" (ordo ab chao) for those running the show via Jesuits @ the top - you see it in "democrat" vs. "republican" AND "islam" vs. "christianity" (what's taught to those who are 'cattle/goyim') to keep you fighting one another UNTIL you can't take it anymore & submit (to those that worship "the lightbringer" who wanted to be God, which IS their stated goal, that "Man=God").
* Think that's what's NOT going on? Guess again - Jim Morrison said it best in "You're ALL slaves" & YES, YOU ARE THE PRODUCT (a giant mindgame to get numbers, tools/sychophants/bootlickers/cronies that are merely disposable cannon-fodder assets...) - we're ALL getting "played" & yes, playing ourselves falling victim to it (not me, not anymore, for decades now).
The BIGGEST conman of all time is their God (the "morning star" lightbringer). Carefully packaged bs to appeal to your weaknesses in what I call "Viruses of the Spirit" in Greed, Fear etc.
APK
P.S.=> IF I told you what's REALLY going on (I am, you dig up the details) & has been for MANY centuries? You wouldn't like it (two always, divided, for order out of chaos & even population reduction via wars etc. - political parties, religions (for the "dumb masses" NOT the reserved knowledge of "the ILLUMINATED") - Read Manley Palmer Hall OR Albert Pike which only degree 30++ know about, not the "stooges" (or even the "other way to get to know him" in Madame Blavatsky, perhaps even the Kaballah), you get it, REAL fast - even the all-seeing eye of Osiris & the little owl (ala bohemian grove) on the dollar for an "order of the ages"... apk
...the launch of Wikitribune has been dismissed as a fake news by Jimmy Wales itself.
Rather than write yet more material, why not make a way to consolidate links to various topics in a convenient way so that one can read multiple viewpoints? That way I can see what Fox News says about any given topic, but also what NBC says about the same topic. Use the fancy dancy AI, probably with human helpers, to match up articles about given events.
Table-ized A.I.
What's the difference between what you describe and Google News?
Are you part of the Illiminati?
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
The changes will be reviewed by volunteer fact checkers.
So we'll get the same cliques who control Wikipedia articles to control what's considered true and what not? Great. Let's have even more biased people fight over what's "fake" because they disagree.
The language used will be "factual and neutral."
That's a direct contradiction to "stories written by professional journalists". Or are they going to exclude most major news sites who mainly just produce sensationalized clickbait?
Un huh... They'll have their own little *Ministry of Truth* there?
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Wikipedia Founder Jimmy Wales is Launching an Online Publication To Fight Anything That Isn't Left-Wing Propaganda
FTFY
Proud neuron in the Slashdot hivemind since 2002.
Professional journalists producing fact-checked, multi-sourced articles with a neutral tone and striving for accuracy ... I thought this was just called journalism? Why do they need amateur community contributors that are guaranteed to be infiltrated and rotten to the core with activists and paid shills?
Americans like their news the way they like their tits... flabby & fake.
"Fake news" is just the logical result of leftist relativism.
If you can pick your gender, why can't you pick what you think is the "truth"?
I'd like to see some sample coverage showing how they would have reported on past notable events.
The Michael Brown incident and the related Ferguson riots would be a good place to start.
The mainstream coverage of these events was absolutely terrible. Some of the initial reports were particularly bad. They portrayed Brown as the "victim", the police officer as the "aggressor", and the subsequent riots as "protests".
Then the evidence and facts started coming out. There was clear video footage of Brown attacking a store clerk and stealing merchandise. Video released more recently appeared to show him even trying to purchase goods using drugs the night before the incident took place! Just prior to him attacking the police officer he was disruptively walking down the middle of the street. When confronted about his actions by a police officer, he proceeded to try to take the police officer's gun, and physically assaulted the police officer. The police officer was left with no choice but to defend himself using deadly force. To make matters even worse, witnesses who claimed to have seen the events transpire turned out not to have, or they even lied under oath! Then there were the destructive riots, which were mislabeled as "protests".
In the end, it became clearer and clearer that Brown was the aggressor not only at the store, but also in the confrontation with the police officer. The police officer had acted very reasonably given the circumstances, and had suffered unnecessarily as a result of these reasonable actions. The police officer ended up being one of the real victims in the incident, along with the store clerk who was attacked and the owners of the properties that were destroyed during the subsequent riots and looting.
I'm very curious to see how this Wikitribune organization would report on the Brown/Ferguson incident. Even now, when the facts, the evidence and the reality of the situation are quite clear, would they describe it as it has actually transpired? Or would they continue with the nonsensical narrative that had developed, which made Brown wrongly appear to be the "victim" in this incident, and described riots and looting as "protests"?
The issue is that Google News is just another biased curated service after they got pressured by traditional media to jump on the "fake news" bandwagon.
The same goes for "human helpers", though. You only need to look at social media like Reddit where moderaters determine which news are allowed to be posted and which aren't.
Crappy interface for finding what you want packaged together nicely and compactly. I don't see any serious attempt to group by a given event. Maybe I missed a magic button somewhere?
Table-ized A.I.
now we're going to create a site of fake news to fight fake news?
Professional journalists are some of the highest-profile PRODUCERS of fake news. I accidentally tuned to CNN the other night. Holy mackerel. I had no idea that Chicago's rampant crime problem only got really bad when the new administration put the new nation-wide Muslim ban in place. Hopefully Jimmy Wales won't be looking to get Wolf Blitzer involved in fighting fake news, because that's like getting gasoline involved in fighting a fire.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
... it won't happen until FAKE NEWS is illimanated.
The layers of fake news are wrongly arranged, because they are ill laminated.
I am sure that there are many other solipsists out there.
The "truth" is subjective.
It just depends on whom you ask
There's a bit of a difference.
MiniTruth in 1984 was supposed to *decide* (i.e.: unilaterally) what is truth and what is not.
They rewrite what is considered thruth : "We have always been at war with East-Asia".
Fact-checking is supposed (in theory) to be about finding the sources of some information :
They try to find where a thing is comming from : Is the number mentioned by a politician pulled-out-of-his-ass ? or is there a real article/sudy/agency reporting these numbers ?
Well, even if "fact-checking" has recently devolved into "calling each-other liars depending on political agenda".
"Sufficiently advanced satire is indistinguishable from reality." - [Tips: 1DrYakQDKCQ6y52z6QbnkxHXAocMZJE61o ]
Your father... was seduced by the Dark Side of the Force. He ceased to be the Jedi Anakin Skywalker and "became" Darth Vader. When that happened, the good man who was your father was destroyed. So, what I told you was true... from a certain point of view.
As long as humans have agendas and perceptions there will continue to be "fake" (from a certain point of view) news. And crowdsourcing the data will only muddle the results not correct them.
"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K
Oh good. I want Jimmy Wales to be in charge of what I'm told is true and what is false. It is not like people would ever lie about stuff like that for political agendas. I'll trust Jimmy's politics over my own common sense.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
o Publishers - slant, selection bias
...it's not like it's showing any signs of getting better, either.
o Advertisers - selection bias on source and slant by rewarding max eyeballs
o Editors - slant, selection bias for stories
o Reporters - slant, selection bias for sources
o Information sources - slant, winners get to write history
o Reader's choice of media - slant, selection bias
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
Those who believe in fake news are not going to be affected, because they WANT the fake news to be true. They are not going to take the time and effort to determine the likelihood that the news is fake because they don't really care, since the fake news simply reinforces their preconceived notions.
A leading "fact-check site" regularly uses this bit of dissemblance to describe right-of-center incidents, while left-of-center equivalents seem to get "True" or at least "Mostly true." As with all things, there are exceptions.
They'll do a good job explaining--reluctantly, if we infer from their words--how whatever was said or referenced was, in fact, accurate. Then launch 3 more paragraphs explaining why the facts don't matter because of who said them.
And this was common pre-Trump.
Go read a bunch of articles on wikipedia and the talk pages and see the painful bias in the articles. Now tell me that jackhole has any business being anywhere near anything having to do with promoting "real" news versus "fake" news.
Because this sounds like Snopes but for actual journalism.
It's certainly possible, but if you can actually show me an instance of it, I'd be quite surprised. I don't recall seeing such a thing. Ever.
There's selection bias, where the story that is told is not the only story, and/or leaves out pertinent details that variously pollute the information transfer to the information consumer. This occurs at the publisher, editorial, reporter and information source levels.
There are errors in collecting information, which can be characterized as "impartial but wrong" which entirely undermines the value of "impartial."
There's the social underpinning, such as the assumptions by the platform from publisher down to reporter buy into memes like the drug war, human trafficking, mommyism, military adventurism, etc. as right and proper undertakings and tell stories in the context of the presumptive matrix that results from those memes.
There's ad-pumping, where the advertising pays more money in when more eyes are attracted, which creates a loop based on popularity rather than accuracy.
There's comment "moderation", where "I disagree / am offended / am trolling" can strongly affect visibility of information -- depending on the site, that can come from privileged (and usually wholly unqualified) individuals, as here on slashdot, or from the crowd, as on reddit.
It all adds up to an extremely formidable gauntlet that information has to run in order to get from wherever it arises over to the consideration of the consumer.
And, not that it's part of the problem of actually achieving impartial journalism, but were you to completely get past every aspect of that somehow, then you still have to find an impartial audience or all that work is for nothing.
IOW, if you manage to present the facts, all the facts, nothing but the facts, and your audience cries "fake news" or drags prejudice, superstition, confirmation bias, or anything from a very long list of similar cognitive failure modes into it, well, there you go. You might as well have written an SF novel.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
What should we bring to the antefront?
Is there a mesofront?
What other kinds of fronts are there besides forefronts and just fronts?
What do you do when there are people who don't want to read about the truth but rather articles with heavy editorial that they agree with regardless of any bearing on reality? I think that's the real problem we are running into.
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
Go away.
This is an example of how far the Left has strayed from its classical liberal roots.
The very idea that any organization could set itself up to be the arbiter of the Truth in media is anathema to everything a classical liberal believe in.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
We don't really need more than that, what we need is a way to flag up fake news and opinion marketed as news.
Or even more prevalent: thinly veiled advertisements and product announcements masquerading as "news".
As long as maximizing revenue is top priority at a "news" organization, journalism will suffer.
slashdot: A failed experiment.
Over fifty people are dead or injured after a truck drove into a crowd of people.
An explosion occurred at soccer game which killed and injured dozens of people.
A white cop shoots unarmed black teenager, sparking outrage over institutionalized racism present in law enforcement.
Maybe he can start by getting Wikipedia corrected before taking on anything else.
See subject: I've been invited 3x before over 25++ yrs. now so NO thank you. I gave my life to Jesus as my savior so "Satan get thee BEHIND me in Jesus name" fucker...
APK
P.S.=> Your kind is SO arrogant & THAT IS YOUR DOWNFALL freaks along w/ your pedophilia disgusting "Eyes Wide Shut" so-called 'parties' - you're SO stupid you got sucked in by materialism (& this too shall pass, like your EU is passing, built on a SHODDY foundation of LIES, DECEIT & other "modus operandi" of your JAH lightbringer dumbasses)... apk
Those who object loudest believe the most lies - and they don't want you taking them away.
man now he gonna run two fundraisers at once my bank account is already cashed out
The issue with Google, Facebook, MSNBC, CNN, you name it - is that they're heavily using double-standards.
They just decide that if it does not align with their views, you're censored, fake news, etc. This is terrible and in fact an attack to free speech - even thus a company should be able to do whatever it wants, the reality is that today, if your ISP or Google in particular decide to remove your voice from the internet they can, they will, and today, they do.
Wikipedia has been so far rather successful at keeping a neutral stance though, in their articles. Of course, its not *always* neutral - far from it - but it's *mostly* neutral and that's what makes Wikipedia great: the data is mostly correct, concise, informative!
So basically, even thus this seems to be a very difficult endeavor I truly wish them well and hope they are successful. I for one am happy to hear about points of views I disagree with as long as they're reasonably factual. No more "allegedly-everything".
It'll still be fake news if those "professional journalists" were pooped out by the leftist academic brainwashing machine.
I thought the first rule of the Illuminati was don't talk about the Illuminati.
sounds like more mainstream "I hate trump" yap from another liberal artsy fartsy idiot.
A leading "fact-check site" regularly uses this bit of dissemblance to describe right-of-center incidents, while left-of-center equivalents seem to get "True" or at least "Mostly true."
It's fun that in a thread where you criticize fact checking and citing sources, you didn't actually mention which site you're talking about (politifacts, I presume ?) nor precise numbers.
(not that I've pointed to litterary / dictonnary sources either).
"Sufficiently advanced satire is indistinguishable from reality." - [Tips: 1DrYakQDKCQ6y52z6QbnkxHXAocMZJE61o ]
how bou dat
all I want is news w/o any of the damn Kardashians in it!
WP:LOL!
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
... it won't happen until FAKE NEWS is illimanated.
The layers of fake news are wrongly arranged, because they are ill laminated.
We are Dyslexic of Borg. Prepare to have your ass laminated.
THE SOFTWARE, IT NO WORKY!!!
You just have to wonder at what point does the fight against fake news become the fight against honesty?
Wikipedia covers its legal ass by relying on published elsewhere citations. This is not always insuring honesty and sometime even promoting the continuation of dishonesty. I recall a policy change where any paid editor needs to state being paid and by who, which came up in regards to israeli editors. Only where do you see this editor information on any articles or do you have to research editors per wikipedia article editors to see where there may be subtle bias (and who is going to take the time to do that)? I also have both personal experience and knowledge or incorrect information in a few wikipedia articles, but who will listen?
So when Jimmy comes up with this fighting fake news, its sure sign of using "fake news" as a way to suppress honest news and information.
So lets all jump on the "fighting fake news" bandwagon and realize nothing really changes. But more important, understand why this "fighting fake news" came about in the first place, is simply because people are waking up to the control BS.
LOL. I can only imagine the envy their poor journalists must have felt as they worked this story.
Wikipedia does pretty good at enforcing a neutral point of view, at least on articles that are not so obscure as to escape scrutiny. The relevant debates are available with the article, and are usually civil and enlightening. Wikipedia is better equipped to tackle the "true, but biased" issue better than any other organization that I know of, in my opinion.
Captcha: dignity
Why did the dyslexic illuminatus have his sheild vaccinated?
He was immunising the escutcheon.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Let's not minimize how it all started for Jimmy.
All social justice workers should just curl up and die with their idiot infantile views on everything.
See subject: The masonic order (& check how many US presidents were a part of said order as well as other "important world shakers/movers").
* Bit TOUGH to "explain that away" as "conspiracy" or "occult" though, eh?
(They, along w/ their "contributors" in "BIG '$'", run things... worldwide)
APK
P.S.=>... And, they DO run things, no questions asked - only thing is. to WHAT end? Exactly what I said - Luciferianism & that's quoting Albert Pike & Manley P. Hall buddy... I didn't say it - THEY DO... apk
Soon someone will launch an application to fight fake news fighters... and then a fake news fighter fighter... and a fake news fighter fighter fighter... Mine is bigger than yours!
"For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." -- H.L. Mencken (1880-1956) --
Then why would Pike say "Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!" in MORALS & DOGMA https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Albert+Pike%22+and+%22lucifer%22&btnG=Search&hl=en&gbv=1/ ?
Why would Manley P. Hall also say "application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands" https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Manley+P.+Hall%22+and+%22lucifer%22&btnG=Search&hl=en&gbv=1/ ??
* Don't even TRY bullshit me...
(Those quotes are JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG)
APK
P.S.=> You evidently can't even count
Of all the conspiracies out there I can count on one hand which ones are true. This one isn't." - by UnknownSoldier ( 67820 ) on Wednesday April 26, 2017 @11:14AM (#54305207)
I've been invited to be in their order 3 times - THIS is why I turned it down, repeatedly... apk
That which we must say to a crowd is—We worship a God, but it is the God that one adores without superstition. To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st, and 30th degrees—The Masonic Religion should be, by all of us initates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian Doctrine. If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay whose deeds prove his cruelty, perdify and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion for science, would Adonay and his priests, calumniate him? Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also god. For the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two gods: darkness being necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive. Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is a heresy; and the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of Darkness and Evil.vii - Albert Pike, 33-degree Freemason and author of Morals and Dogma
* It's EXACTLY what I said & meant initially (flunkies get THEIR 'belief system' in the masonic order - the TOP DOGS 30th degree & above get THAT ONE ABOVE!)
(NEED MORE? ASK - I'll "enlighten" you & EVERYONE ELSE...)
APK
P.S.=> P.S.=> You evidently can't even count:
Of all the conspiracies out there I can count on one hand which ones are true. This one isn't." - by UnknownSoldier ( 67820 ) on Wednesday April 26, 2017 @11:14AM (#54305207)
I've been invited to be in their order 3 times - THIS is why I turned it down, repeatedly... apk
Lets start calling fake news by its true, historical name: Gossip.
Lies and stories based on nothing buy juicy made-up inuendo is and has always been Gossip.
Lets not title the 21st century version of the gossip-monger with a noble-sounding title of Fake News Creator--a dashing tech, spin master, social media genius, They are the same as the pathetic old woman spreading assumptions and garbage about people in a pitiful effort to make themselves seem better.
The Torah, Koran, Old Testament and New all condemn those who spread it, and those who create it--much much more than they condemn homosexuality.
Mark Twain, Agatha Christie, Dickens and many other great writers describe it as one of the great evils, almost impossible to fight.
Lucy, The Beave, Gilligan and the Brady Bunch all learned their lessons on how stupid, and dangerous, gossip could be. Can't we learn the same?
... is delicious.
That's great, yet that is what I donate to NPR for.
Enter the Trump budget - and NPR funds are SLASHED!!!
Now NPR is subjected to corporate donations, and, no doubt, will sway their way
Does it make sense to simply have a national budget for NON-partisan Public News?
An agency where the the top priority is actual, factual news and info?!
Self-importance and self-indulgence is the root of ALL evil.
How to become a Royal Dictator:
Once you complete these 10 steps you may proceed to pillaging national resources for yourself while your people work and die without choice or compensation.