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Microsoft's Nadella Says Company Will Make More Phones, But They Won't Look Like Today's Devices (zdnet.com)

As he told the Make Me Smart podcast, Microsoft is looking for something far more transformative, like an entirely new category of smartphone that's so original and appealing that OEMs won't be able to resist tagging along. From a report: "At this point we're making sure that all of our software is available on iOS and Android and it's first class and we're looking for what's the next change in form and function," he said when asked whether Microsoft would make another phone. Nadella doesn't discuss what form these mobile devices could take, though Microsoft does have some candidates, like its HoloLens augmented reality (AR) headgear. No doubt he's keeping close tabs on Google's early progress with its Tango phone AR experiments.

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  1. Future Windows phone... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

    My friend works at a Sprint store. They have a Microsoft Windows phone that sits in the storage room and no one ever asks to see it. Unless Microsoft is willing to put money behind their promotions like Samsung, HTC and LG, my friend has no incentives to sell a Microsoft Windows phone.

    1. Re:Future Windows phone... by fred6666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not a promotion problem. It's a device problem. Which Windows Phone devices compete with the Galaxy S8? The iPhone 7?
      They are always 6-12 months late (especially if you compare to Android, where they use the same components).

      You simply get more with the competition.

    2. Re:Future Windows phone... by David_Hart · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What they didn't do is allow carriers to completely rebuild the OS like Google does.

      I've been around a while and I recall quite clearly how the windows phone fanboys were crowing about how Nokia had an arrangement with MS where they could do exactly this to the Windows Phone OS and how they were going to crush Android and all the other OEMs. We see how that worked out.

      The fact is that people just don't like what MS was offering. I had a Windows Phone with version 7 of the OS a few years ago just to play around with. You know what? It sucked.

      The Nokia phones were very nice phones. The problem with the Windows Phone OS is the lack of Apps. For example, when I got my Surface Pro 4 I tried to find the same apps that I use on my Android tablet and my iPhone and they just don't exist for Windows. Granted, with a full fledged tablet computer like the Surface Pro 4 you don't need apps, but they tend to be simpler and quicker to launch than the full web page.

    3. Re:Future Windows phone... by spire3661 · · Score: 2

      Keep in mind, for all of Microsoft's bullshit about cross compatibility, there are plenty of windows phone apps that wont even show up in windows store on PC. When i look on Windows Store on my PC, Spotify doesnt exist, so for a long time i just assumed Spotify wasnt on Windows Store at all. Turns out there is an app, but you can only see it if you are on Windows Mobile. I couldnt believe MS wouldnt give me an option to look at the whole store.

      It looks like MS is giving up on ARM altogether and doubling down on x86. They probably see Intel weakening and figure they can get cheap chips out of them.

      As to your last point, the Netflix app absolutely sucks on my Surface 3, but netflix runs perfect in Chrome on the same system.

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    4. Re:Future Windows phone... by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 2

      I've noticed that whenever I get a spammail from AT&T wanting me to buy their crap, it's almost always an Android phone they're pushing.

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    5. Re:Future Windows phone... by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Natively". You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

    6. Re:Future Windows phone... by bondsbw · · Score: 2

      Yep, and they really can't compete by just having a comparable product. It has to be better for a lot of people if they ever want market share.

      That's a good thing... either it will be good and gain traction, or bad and go away.

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    7. Re:Future Windows phone... by oakgrove · · Score: 2

      I've never had a 7 phone, but from what I recall, it was based on CE and its screen looked like an XP desktop screen.

      Nope. The 7 was the first iteration of the departure from the XP-esque desktop. It had what used to be called the Metro interface and the whole bit.

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  2. Oooh ooh, I have an idea! by Narcocide · · Score: 2

    How about a phone that folds in half!

    It's gonna be revolutionary!!

  3. Re:They'll keep wasting billions on mobile... by Solandri · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That's been their MO for several decades. Someone comes out with a hot product, they copy it, pour gobs of money on marketing it, take losses for the first few years, but eventually take over the market. Unfortunately for them, that MO usually worked because they were able to leverage their Windows monopoly to help the product gain acceptance (Office, Internet Explorer, disk compression, disk encryption, etc). The Xbox is one of their few successes at this independent of Windows, Zune probably the most notable failure.

    It would've been a lot easier for them if they'd actually thought ahead to what the future might bring, instead of copying others. Back in the 1990s they managed to displace Palm as the market leader for PDA OSes (by copying Palm but promising to make their OS share the Windows API). By the late 1990s it was obvious to most everyone that PDAs and phones would converge. All Microsoft had to do was add phone support to WinCE (which became Windows Mobile). But a few WinCE PDA companies tried to add phone functionality to their PDAs, and got no help from Microsoft. Their products were panned by reviewers for failing to work consistently as a phone, which is kinda important since phones are historically very reliable. The new smartphone market instead ended up being taken over by Blackberry (in North America) and Nokia (in Europe) who added PDA capability to their phones. And Microsoft has been trying to play catch-up ever since.

  4. Phone Idea by ZipXap · · Score: 2

    They should have a phone with the screen right on the retina. Microsoft could call it the eyePhone.

  5. Re:They'll keep wasting billions on mobile... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They'll keep wasting billions on personal computers... and get no where. That ship has sailed, and the Apple ][ and Commodore 64 own the personal computer market. But M$ will toss endless amounts of money after it in a vain hope to gain traction, much like they keep pouring money into MS BASIC to no end.

    Microsoft wasn't pushing the DOS-based PC, they were selling DOS to IBM, who used their dominance in the business computing market to push it and Microsoft rode their coat tails.

    They'll keep wasting billions on GUI desktops... and get no where. That ship has sailed, and the Macintosh and IBM's OS/2 own the GUI desktop market. But M$ will toss endless amounts of money after it in a vain hope to gain traction, much like they keep pouring money into DOS to no end.

    Windows 3 had a dominant market position before OS/2 shipped. The Mac had an advantage, but Microsoft could sell Windows as a DOS upgrade to a huge installed base, whereas switching to a Mac required buying a new machine. As long as DOS (specifically, DOS-running PC clones) were controlling the business computing market, they were able to leverage one monopoly to gain another.

    They'll keep wasting billions on word processing... and get no where. That ship has sailed, and Wordperfect owns the word processing market. But M$ will toss endless amounts of money after it in a vain hope to gain traction, much like they keep pouring money into Windows to no end.

    Word for DOS didn't get much traction and Microsoft changed APIs at the last minute to break the Wordperfect port to Windows, giving them a first-mover advantage. Once again, leveraging one monopoly to gain another.

    They'll keep wasting billions on video game consoles... and get no where. That ship has sailed, and Nintendo and Sony own the video game console market. But M$ will toss endless amounts of money after it in a vain hope to gain traction, much like they keep pouring money into the Zune to no end.

    With this one you have a point, except that the network effects for consoles are a lot less than with smartphones. People expect (or, at least, expected) that a new console would come with new games, so not being able to run legacy apps wasn't a problem. Even then, Microsoft was only able to do this because they used almost the same APIs as Windows and so made it easy to port Windows games (of which there were a lot) to the XBox. They were also able to throw a few billion at getting the market share. In contrast, people now expect to be able to run their existing Smartphone apps on their new phone, or at least to get the equivalent version. Not only are there not many Windows Phone apps, far fewer new ones are being written.

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  6. It's so damned simple by kfh227 · · Score: 2

    1) Make a $500 or less phone that runs full blown windows. 2) Let the phone attach to any standard USB keyboard/mouse/monitor/speakers. 3) Do not focus on hardware for games. Focus on business/internet use. 4) take my money! All they need is a form factor that can replace a laptop and a phone with one device. Crap, even at $800, I'd buy one since I don't need a $700 laptop and $300 phone anymore. Microsoft has the software to do this along with Windows specific business apps written for windows and no one else does. The longer they are to blind and to stupid to see this, the more time Apple and Google (probably Google) have to take over everything Microsoft has built over the past 30+ years.

  7. Re:They'll keep wasting billions on mobile... by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The Xbox is one of their few successes at this independent of Windows

    "Success" only in the sense that it wasn't an outright failure. Xbox never "took over the market" like Microsoft's more Windows-centric conquests. The Playstation 2 massively outsold the original Xbox, which only just edged out the GameCube. The Playstation 3 was neck and neck with the Xbox 360, both of which got outsold by the Wii. The Xbox One has lost decisively to the Playstation 4 and has been outsold by the Wii U.

  8. kill, steal, control - lather rinse repeat by LesserWeevil · · Score: 3

    If MS can't kill it, steal it or control it, they're not interested in it. This is what results from a business model that disdains the new and seeks to be the late comer with overwhelming resources. Giving people what someone else is already providing seems a sucky future. Good luck keeping up with Apple and Google, Mr Nadella.