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Apple To Refresh Entire MacBook Lineup Next Month, Air and Pro To Feature Kaby Lake (bloomberg.com)
Apple will unveil new laptops during its annual developer conference, known as WWDC, next month, reports Bloomberg. The company is going to refresh the MacBook Pro (as well as Air and just the 'MacBook' models) with new seventh-gen processors from Intel, the newest available, the report adds. Last year, Apple launched three new MacBook Pro laptops with older sixth-generation chips, which means people who already own the newer model may be a bit dismayed by Apple's refresh. From the article: Apple is planning three new laptops, according to people familiar with the matter. The MacBook Pro will get a faster Kaby Lake processor from Intel, said the people, who requested anonymity to discuss internal planning. Apple is also working on a new version of the 12-inch MacBook with a faster Intel chip. The company has also considered updating the aging 13-inch MacBook Air with a new processor as sales of the laptop, Apple's cheapest, remain surprisingly strong, one of the people said.
When you buy any laptop there's going to be an update before too long - even if Apple were not doing "new" models there's usually some kind of mid-year refresh you're going to not be getting.
At the time of the last MacBook Pro release there was a lot of technical analysis pointing out all of the things coming on-line in the next few years - the new intel processors, and with them mobile chipsets that could handle more memory efficiently. So it was pretty easy to judge at the time if you should buy a laptop then, or wait another year if you really wanted the Intel processor update.
Not everyone cares about all of the aspects of a laptop being at peak, it's always judging tradeoffs and deciding if a system will meet your needs.
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This time, we're taking away the SCREEN. SCREENS were invented as a part of 1960s/1970s MAINFRAME technology and are outdated. The entire computer will run with SIRI.
Sucks that Apple stopped innovation over seven years ago.
TFA? not that I want to read it or anything..
Mac Pro probably in mid-2018, is what they lightly implied last time around. Still too early to be sure, basically.
4 years ago I spent $2.2k on a laptop. It's still faster and has more memory than the shit Apple craps out.
But I guess they have given upon the pro market a log time ago. Guess I will have to keep developing on a virtual machine under Linux.
I hope they will quickly do away with the Touch Bar, which, as much a fan of Macbooks that I am, has been totally useless. Even worse, it interferes and causes errors when I do other tasks that happen to go near the Touch Bar, such as the calculator.
Every time I try to use the calculator (and the top row of number keys) my fingers graze the Touch Bar, which then triggers an incorrect calculation because the Bar adopt some calculator function keys while open.
There is something positive to be said about having keys that have physical boundaries and limited functions, and having that well separated from a touch bar which, if it provided some actually useful function, had the versatility to change roles during use. They should have kept dedicated physical volume, brightness keys -- which now hide behind 2 finger presses on a strip that you have to look at carefully to find where to press.
Aside from that inconvenience, I have to date used the Touch Bar approximately 0 times productively. I am not a video manipulator, so maybe that's what it's designed for, but so far, nothing. I am not really in need of having quick access to emoticons when I chat, thank you Apple...
...as long as Apple expects us to keep using dongles, I'm not buying a new laptop no matter what they're putting inside it. My computer is for real work. Not for dicking around, and not for fiddling with dongles. A pro-level machine needs pro-level connectivity, not some Jony Ive masturbatory fever dream of a glorified iPad Pro with a keyboard attached.
Why does Apple hate Mac Pro?
They've confirmed that the next Mac Pro, which will be using a modular approach that should allow for easier customization and upgradeability, is already in the works, but that it shouldn't be expected until 2018.
and storage on a M2 card the same ones used on pc's
apple will lose people who take the bar in some states with that pad.
Yes, in continuing the Apple tradition of removing useless external ports with each "upgrade", these will feature a single thunderbolt port and no external power connection. One. Single. Port!
Of course, you have to buy a new laptop after the 10 hour battery life is up.
Do you have ESP?
They don't, why do you think they have kept it so long? The only answer I've heard is that they simple haven't been able to update it and keep the thermal cooling design working, essentially calling for an entire case redesign.
They just want their devices to sit on a desk and look pretty. Not be sullied by using them to do something.
Sounds awesome. Intel is getting ready to launch its Core i9-series to compete with AMD's Ryzen 9, aaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnddddddddd Apple will be featuring neither. Tip your stock broker accordingly.
I like the touch bar, and think it's an excellent idea they just need to refine a bit.
In my case I agree that the Siri button is a little too easy to hit, because my finger will slide up off delete and graze it.
My solution would be either to make the touch bar pressure sensitive and require a bit more force to trigger Siri, or to put up some kind of small ridge between the keys and the touch bar so your finger could not slide up there from the row of keys below.
My only complaint about the Touchbar is that I often use the laptop shut attached to an external monitor so I *really* would like an external keyboard with the Touchbar.
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...as long as Apple expects us to keep using dongles,
They do not, they expect you to use USB-C devices.
That will be more and more true. Already this last month, I went looking for a slim external hard drive case and the best one I found was... USB-C. So I have to use a dongle to use it with older equipment...
Because USB-C is so much more versatile the changeover is going very rapidly. Why do you insist on staying behind the ENTIRE (not just Apple) computer industry? Many high end Android phones are also USB-C now...
My guess that the iPhone switches to USB-C this year or next. There is no reason to keep Lightning since USB-C has all the same advantages (basically the main one, being able to plug in either direction plus it is small).
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Last year's MacBook not allowing 32GB of RAM was on Intel, not Apple.
For sure that is the biggest driver behind the early update, so you'll see expansion up to 32GB (possibly beyond) with the newer laptops.
I also also question the wisdom of filing RAM increases under "innovation" while ignoring last year they added the Touchbar....
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SCREENS were invented as a part of 1960s/1970s
Screens? In the 60's early 70's? Would have loved to have screens! We had teletype machines, line-printers with keyboards attached! You're "screen" was a roll of paper. Files edited one line at a time. You think they call 'em "carriage-return" and "line-feed" for nothing?
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I've had two Airs in the past three years, and the 2nd one only because the first was stolen. It was covered by insurance, so I tried like hell take advantage of the situation as an opportunity to upgrade. But I ended up buying the exact same configuration. For my purposes, given it's not a primary device, the thing is perfect. Will go all day and then some, is almost as easy to carry around as an iPad, yet you can throw some moderately compute-intensive chores at it and performs admirably. The only thing it doesn't have is retina, but that would just add weight or subtract battery life or both---so no thanks.
But for the love of Pete, Apple, please don't trash this gem. I have nightmares of them going with two USB-C ports. Or going Retina. Please, just don't. Up the RAM max, update the CPU, give us more SSD capacity, whatever. Just don't fuck with the mag-jack, keep the SD card slot in there, and only put USB-C in as replacements for the USB3 ports that are there already if you must. But that's probably wishful thinking.
The current iteration of Air is about as perfect a light-to-medium workflow laptop as you can get right now, and now I fear it will be history.
(and before you trash me as a fanboi, my career has been Windows/Linux software development for 30 years, and I've gone through at least 5-6 generations of Dell laptops in the course of my work).
Last time I checked, it was in a trash can.
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No, you just have to walk into an Apple store and pay them $2700 to walk around for 10 minutes and leave with nothing.
No, that's not "on Intel". Other laptop integrators have had no issue adding 32 gigs of RAM. You just end up with less battery life as a result.
A LOT less battery life. It's not on Apple to refuse to sell what is essentially a crippled system because of limitations Intel imposed. It's not like you can on the fly switch to acceptably low power RAM for a laptop!
To me it's funny that Apple moved away from Motorola because they were screwed by system limitations, than Intel screws them over the same way years later... this is what will drive Apple to designing main system chips (well will drive them to use said chips, I'm sure they have been designing them for years).
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They should get together with the Gnome people and let them design the interface.
Just get rid of all those pesky applications and their buttons. menus, hot keys etc. and they could have a truly beautiful computer.
Just a wonderfully rendered 8K desktop image with a very elegant "shut down" widget. Job done. A Hipsters delight !
1) The Touch bar needs to physically PRESS DOWN like the trackpad does.
2) 32GB ram
3) magsafe power (and use a cable that doesn't purposely wear out quickly)
4) BATTERY. Simple-- have a 2nd cover that is a bit thicker. Sell 2 models; only battery and 1 cover piece would differ. Or perhaps they can get those new pure lithium batteries and not change anything.
5) an ESC key. ignore the stupid designers who put balance against functionality at an increased price. Hell, make it black if you must, like the finger print scanner on the right side.
6) USB-A. HOUSES are being wired for USB-A, it is not going away anytime soon. USB-2 memory sticks are still quite common.
7) If you kill HEADPHONES I will finally move to linux.
You think Apple hate the Mac Pro? Have you seen what they've done to the Mac mini?
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Undo some of the stupidity of the last refresh, and I'll look at it. I've already written off the last refresh as an option, and stuck with a 2-generation-old MacBook Pro. With a few upgrades (SSD, RAM, new battery) it's more capable port-wise and I keep the now-unavailable non-glossy screen. It's an older i7, but performance is fine.
To late, replaced my retina macbook pro with ubuntu gnome on a razerblade pro v2 last weekend boubt the new macbook pro will out spec it.
Of course, you have to buy a new laptop after the 10 hour battery life is up.
I think they can and will do better than that with a new MacBook Air. It comes in an empty box. Actually it's just the empty box, because it's Air. Now that's courage.
An entire case redesign could be done in 3 months if they weren't such wankers about how it had to look. Pro desktop lines don't need a Johnny Ive video.
I'm using a late 2013 27" iMac with the 2GB GTx 775M and 3.4Ghz i5.... And I just used a friend's late 2008 imac with dual quad processors or something like that, and I gotta say, the prices on ebay look tempting as an "upgrade" option. With PCI cards that can do USB 3.0 and possibly handle the newer graphics cards, any new Pro models next year had better really haul butt.
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They don't need (and I really wish they would not consider) a case redesign. The 2008/2009 cases were (still are) fabulous. Great cooling, hugely serviceable, expandable, plenty of room for drives, rackable, plenty of I/O, good looking, tough, quiet, reasonably secure...
All they actually need to do is abandon that trashcan thing as a (really) bad idea and cook up a new tower-fitting motherboard, for which I have no doubt whatsoever Intel has readily available sample electrical designs, add the I/O sauce of the day to it, change a few cutouts for the case to match, and ship the damn thing.
That whole "sometime in 2018" could mean they're going to do something "courageous" again. Otherwise there's little excuse for the timing. Well, unless they're not starting until 2018. Which might be the case. [lies:] No pun intended.
It's possible the new "courage" will be something worthy, but based on the trashcan and the headphone screwups and the lack of wired networks on various models and the withering of the mini's capabilities... I think "courage" has failed them as far as actually making something, you know, better. I just wish they would go back to the tower. Maybe pop out a mid-tower for the masses, too.
Here's hoping. I'd almost certainly buy a new mac pro with current CPU and (upgradable) GPU hardware and upgradable memory and drives and so on. Unless they screw it up. Again.
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Hehe, my dad's old laptop had a regular P4 instead of the M variety. Throw your shoulder out trying to carry it and burn your leg off trying to use it :)
Hell of a computer though. had a mobile Geforce and nice stereo speakers and a huge screen.
Still useable, altho I think my desktop is now lighter.....
This. A thousand times this. The latest version is such a disaster that the previous-generation 4-core Mini was still selling for above-retail prices a couple of years after they discontinued it. It went from being the perfect low-end server to a toy in a single generation.
To be fair, that's partly Intel's fault for using a different pinout for the four-core version, but still....
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I'll hold off upgrading until I can get more than 16GB of RAM.
Nope, not that generous any more. Plus, I no longer have a paper tape reader. :) I'll probably sell it someday, so it doesn't get lost in some relative's WTF box at the time of my death.
However, I did write a complete emulation of the 6809 and the Flex OS, which you can get from here, if you're so inclined. It's a few years later than the paper tape, but on the other hand, it's hugely more capable, just as one might expect. Plus, the 6809 is a dream to program, unlike any other microprocessor of its vintage, or prior.
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We've seen the future, and the future is touch-boards!
Apple saw how popular its touchbar equipped models were with people who have too much money and no technical experience.
Studies with a focus group of this demographic have revealed that people are sick and tired of keyboards that aren't a flat piece of glass over a backlit LCD panel.
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Proprietary modular design? I can't see them doing anything less than that.
So they're gonna make an SGI O2? That went really well. Look at how well SGI is doing.
IMO, the trashcan thing is great. Internally, I think they could improve the cooling if they had 6 boards instead of 3, connected like an equilateral hexavon. For an equilateral triangle, it's likely that the cooling doesn't reach the vertices or the connecting points of the boards
Have the Kaby Lake processes reached the Xeon? If not, there's the answer - of why they're not yet refreshing the Mac Pro.
OS X used to be the go to for graphics and rendering, now it's what? Table-top hood ornaments?
Was that during the era of the Power Macs? Looks like one can't have both: if one wants to go to a CPU that does a good job in energy saving, which was the whole point of abandoning the PowerPC in favor of the x64 (not that it applies here, on the Xeon), then one will lose the performance. Although I have no idea why Apple doesn't prefer NVIDIA's video cards.
Honestly, I think Apple should migrate its entire line to its A* CPUs, so that it has a single uniform architecture that can be leveraged from the NVIDIA cores that deliver good graphics performance, to the ones from themselves that deliver good power consumption.
I agree the performance boost will be minimal... from the processor.
However what Apple will be doing is putting much more powerful GPU's into the newer laptops, and also allow for much more ram (I am thinking a cap of 64 GB).
That's because Apple heard all of the complaints about how they didn't have a "real" pro laptop and are doing an about face on that as quickly as they can. It's all part of the same drive that is totally re-working the Mac Pro, it's just they can tune up new laptops much faster.
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On the hardware side I would expect to see only one port. They may even ditch the LED backlite lid altogether.
On the OS side, macOS sierra is the most worthless excuse of an operating system in existence: MacOS 9 even beats macOS sierra.
Why buy a laptop with only one port, no LED lid and an operating system that can only handle emojis where you have to use Parallels or VirtualBox to install a real operating system in VM; even Mac OS X Lion which is a degraded version of Mac OS X Snow Leopard is 100 time better than macOS sierra. Why? It works!
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Until that I'm running a 2013 old one. See no need to upgrade, everything works. Price is no issue.
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All I really have to say to that is I don't consider internally non-upgradable desktop machines to be anything I could describe with "great" other than greatly undesirable. And that's what the trashcan design is to me: a machine that's frozen in its capacities as soon as I buy it, short of littering my desk with power warts, easily stolen / damaged drives, an external PCI cage, and a nest of unwanted cables. Which kind of obviates that "neat small cylinder" idea pretty thoroughly. Not to mention being a security nightmare.
If you like the cylinder design, that's all you and of course that's fine. But I don't. I find it appallingly short-sighted and 100% unwanted.
Fortunately, my bought-cheap-off-EBay 2009-era 12/24 core, 64 GB, 3 GHz-ish Mac Pro tower is humming right along. So I can hold off a while yet before having to go the hackintosh route. So really, we're both happy, eh? :)
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My MB Pro, after 7 years and 4 motherboards later, is starting getting slow with Final Cut Pro. Plus its display is also not as bright as it used to be.
Prediction, in 2018 they will go back to a keyboard that works and diet down the Double Big Mac trackpad.
An entire case redesign could be done in 3 months if they weren't such wankers about how it had to look. Pro desktop lines don't need a Johnny Ive video.
A) No Mac, including the Pro models have ever looked shit like a cheap PC.
B) If "Pro desktop lines don't need a Johnny Ive video" - how do you explain this?
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Proprietary modular design? [...] So they're gonna make an SGI O2? That went really well. Look at how well SGI is doing.
I wouldn't be surprised if a proprietary design is exactly what they end up doing, though they may just take a Thunderbolt-based approach, given that it would suffice for most of this sort of stuff.
That said, unlike SGI they're not pinning the company's success on this one sector of their business. Even if the Mac Pro fails (which, frankly, it already has for the last few years), you still have a wildly successful company, though not one that's at the top of its game. As such, drawing those sorts of parallels to SGI seems unwarranted.
Instead, I'd draw parallels back to Firewire or the other ports they championed (perhaps even Thunderbolt in its various incarnations) that haven't exactly taken the world by storm.
I have acquired three 2010-2012 Mac Minis (the 2010 is the one that still has an optical drive and only goes to 8GB RAM), one of which is the 4-core i7 version. I mostly use them remotely via screen sharing and ssh.
I still have not purchased a MacBook Pro newer than 2012, but have instead acquired a few more "backup" laptops (and Magsafe-1 power supplies) as the prices have become affordable. Being able to upgrade most of them to 16GB of RAM (when Apple sold new computers with 4GB and 8GB soldered) has kept such old models still relevant. Intel CPUs not getting significantly better, as happened with the P4 to Core transition, also contributes to computers that old being useful. The main issue becomes the lack of a modern GPU, but most of those computers never had a GPU anyhow, other than the Intel built-in.
I had to wait out Apple's (very bad) computers in the '90s (I had a Power Computing tower to get me through that time), and now I wait out Apple's fixation on thin-uber-alles and glued-together non-upgradeable but shiny crap, in hopes that sanity will return.
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I've just checked Amazon, Curry's, Argos and even Tesco's websites. Almost all hard drives are USB3 and very few are USB-C.
I did't say hard drive, I said small external HD enclosure.
I bought it on Amazon and the best ones I found were mostly USB-C...
The cases go first but the other things like portable hard drives follow soon after. Do you seriously not remember this from past transitions??
In fact it's hard to find USB-C
It sure seems like there are a lot of options to me.
I have had zero trouble finding USB-C anything.
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I'm using a late 2013 27" iMac with the 2GB GTx 775M and 3.4Ghz i5.... And I just used a friend's late 2008 imac with dual quad processors or something like that, and I gotta say, the prices on ebay look tempting as an "upgrade" option. With PCI cards that can do USB 3.0 and possibly handle the newer graphics cards, any new Pro models next year had better really haul butt.
Either you had a stroke and can't remember the difference between an iMac and a Mac Pro, or you are the most incompetent troll ever.
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So they're doing a refresh to bring their systems a bit more up to date. The real world benefits are small; they'll be about 10% faster than the models they replace and will have slightly longer battery life. Streaming fans who hook up their laptops to an external display will get one more benefit: the new systems will presumably support 4K streaming because they'll have the required Kaby Lake processors.
Updating the Air is a bit more of a step forward since it's currently still using a 5th generation processor; it might get a 20% speed improvement. Apple probably was thinking that it would go end of life by now, but they still have a lot of presence in the higher education market and the Air is their main product there. The ultrathin MacBook is a bit too limited, and I don't think Apple is prepared to cut the price to the under-$1000 level that they need to reach. The MacBook Pro is too expensive; the CS and media studies majors will buy it because they need the extra power but most students will not.
The question if they do update the Air: will they just shove in a newer CPU and leave the rest of the design as it is, or will they decide that the product has a longer term place in their product lineup and give it a more substantial refresh? The relatively low display resolution stands out as the #1 thing they could improve, though that would bring up the question of cannibalizing their more expensive products. It's also likely that a new version would move to USB-C for charging and connectivity - but would they go all-in as they have on their other products, or offer a mix of USB-C and legacy USB ports as most Windows laptops have?
The ultrathin MacBook might see some design changes as well, though not as major. The most popular thing Apple could do with that system would be to shoehorn in at least one more USB port; that would allow the user to connect something and charge the system at the same time without the need for yet another dongle. The MacBook Pro design is less than a year old, so I don't expect any changes there other than the CPU and perhaps some tuning of the available configurations (amounts of RAM and flash memory, etc).
Please bring back good keyboards. And useful ports. 2012-style expandability, 2015-era ports, 2016-era screens and 2017-edition processors would be a combo that would win back the professional/creative market in a heartbeat. Touch screens wouldn't hurt, either.
Which is the overpriced one that doesn't even include a mouse or keyboard?
That's how you do it.
Why is everybody obsessing over "space for drives"? Have you looked at a 3.5inch drive bay recently? They are enormous. On the other hand, I have a USB3.1 1Tb Samsung SSD on the desk next to me, and it is significantly smaller than a 2.5inch laptop drive even with the external case. The new Mac Pro doesn't need space for drives, it needs space for SSDs.
IO is different too compared to when the cheese grater design was invented. The new Mac Pro will almost certainly have nothing but zillions of USB-3.1 / Thunderbolt ports and an ethernet port, because in mid 2018, that's all you'll need - it's actually all you need now as long as you are OK with one of those USB-C adapters. I have one that has two USB-A ports, HDMI and an SD-card reader.
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The read/write/lifetime considerations for SSDs and spinning storage are still different. For pro machines, one can reasonably assume that writing to storage may be a big deal. Plus, you can put a lot of things into a drive bay besides drives. Plus, you have a drive bay, you can put SSD or spinning media in there (or many other things.) Choice! If you have internal slots for SSDs... well, then that's all you have.
It's different in that there are more options. It's not different in that one doesn't need what one had before. So for a reasonable design, add I/O. By all means. Who's going to argue against more capability? That'd be dumb. But don't be throwing out things that are still widely in use. You know, like.... headphones. Ethernet. HDMI.
Now, see, there's that again. No, I don't want a bunch of adapters. I don't want extra stuff cluttering everything up. I want the ports. The trashcan is crippled because everything ends up flung on one's desk, power supplies, drives, etc. It's awful. We need to move away from that. And it's not like this stuff is expensive, or like drivers need to be written. Apple should just do it right and quit trying to tell us stupidity = courage.
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