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Apple Starts Assembling iPhones In India (techcrunch.com)

Apple has successfully completed its first trial run assembly of the iPhone SE in India, reports The Wall Street Journal. "We are beginning initial production of a small number of iPhone SE in Bengaluru," Apple said in a statement to TechCrunch. "iPhone SE is the most popular and powerful phone with a four-inch display in the world and we'll begin shipping to domestic customers this month." From the report: The four-inch SE is Apple's least expensive model, running $399 in the States. Some retailers in the country have managed to undercut the cost, lower the entry level price of the handset by around $80 -- but even at that price, it's still substantially more expensive than most. In spite of its relatively low pricing, the SE doesn't appear to have made quite the splash Apple was initially anticipating in the country. Apple has long been working to move production to the country, hoping, in part, to retake some of the market it has lost in China in recent years, as domestic handset sales have grown. Locals are hoping that such a move could reduce the retail cost of the SE even further, by as much as $100. But while $220 is certainly a lot more palatable, that still marks a substantial premium over the average handset price. It's the world's fastest growing market, having recently surpassed the U.S. to claim the number. The Indian market is expected to generate somewhere in the neighborhood of one billion smartphone sales over the next half-decade.

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  1. After dealing with manufacturing in India... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for over twenty years from 1984 until 2005, I have serious doubts that this will work. There's a reason Japan, China, and Taiwan are known for their manufacturing and India isn't despite being much cheaper to build plants and hire people in India. Towards the end we even implemented Six Sigma, but they still found ways to workaround QA.

    1. Re: After dealing with manufacturing in India... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't include Taiwan in that list. I work for Honda, and even we can't make good cars on Taiwan. People constantly cheat the process. Of course India is even worse. I worked as a contractor for Enfield, and they couldn't even make simple 1950s tech motorcycles.

    2. Re: After dealing with manufacturing in India... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good point about Enfield. My Indian-made Bullet is simply a piece of garbage. When you can't even make a 350 cc single cylinder motorcycle that was first produced in England on 1931, there's pretty much no hope for them making an iPhone.

    3. Re:After dealing with manufacturing in India... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. apple has met its match in corruptness with India.

    4. Re:After dealing with manufacturing in India... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, there are Indian companies that manufacture their phones in India, like Karbonn and Micromaxx. Don't see why Apple shouldn't be able to manufacture there as well, particularly for the local market.

    5. Re: After dealing with manufacturing in India... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good. I'm pretty much done with apples anti American policies. Time to buy America can. But what?

    6. Re: After dealing with manufacturing in India... by thundercattt · · Score: 0

      So when you open up your Apple phone box will it smell like cow shit? I remember working at a big box store and you could tell what tables or chairs were made in India

    7. Re: After dealing with manufacturing in India... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, no. Stop slandering the few good Indians that exist.

    8. Re: After dealing with manufacturing in India... by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      AC India is doing just fine with their space technology sectors. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    9. Re: After dealing with manufacturing in India... by sg_oneill · · Score: 1

      Apple doesn't have an "anti american" attitude. It's just capitalism , and the choice is either affordable China/India phones or beyond ridiculous priced local one. Anyway , decades of nafta has stripped US tech manufacturing to the point America *cant* make iPhones. The factory capacity simply doesn't exist

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    10. Re: After dealing with manufacturing in India... by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Apple doesn't have an "anti american" attitude. It's just capitalism , and the choice is either affordable China/India phones or beyond ridiculous priced local one.

      Nah, the choice is either monstrous profits from making in china/india or less but still considerable profits from building in america. It's not hard to figure out why they build shit there.

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    11. Re: After dealing with manufacturing in India... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What makes you think it was _cow_ shit?

  2. apple in seach of hype consumers by sittingnut · · Score: 0

    as markets mature and competitors' lower priced products with similar or better features gain currency, apple needs to find markets where there are still consumers who get fooled by hype to buy overpriced mediocre products.
    or abandon the hype and absurd overpricing, and just try to satisfy customers at lowest prices that are still profitable, as others do. but that would make fanbois cry.

    1. Re:apple in seach of hype consumers by baker_tony · · Score: 3, Informative

      As a Nexus, followed by Samsung and now Apple user, I have to say, you're a moron if you believe that dribble.
      Android is very flexible, get one if you want to tweak and customize stuff.
      Apple phones are consistent, fluid and reliable, get one if you want it to just work.
      Each to their own.

    2. Re:apple in seach of hype consumers by Hamsterdan · · Score: 1

      Amen to that. I've been given a 4S (needs a new battery), one of their best designs, Wish it was never upgraded beyond IOS6, I miss that interface, now it's all flat, feels like either Win3.11 or Win8. It currently runs on IOS 9.x (a little slow, but still runs)

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    3. Re:apple in seach of hype consumers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This.. People apple has been selling their crap to for a long time are sick of there despicable business practices. Time to branch out and find new suckers.

    4. Re:apple in seach of hype consumers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've got a jailbroken 4S on iOS 6 that I just replaced as my daily driver with a 7. It really is a great device. I will keep it forever. Unfortunately, thought I dropped it and broke the front glass while my new iphone was in the mail. It's a heart breaker because it's such an awesome device, but maybe not worth the 2 hours of my life to replace the front screen. For now it lives on as an iPod with scotch tape over its wounds.

    5. Re:apple in seach of hype consumers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have to say, you're a moron if you believe that dribble.

      Says the person who doesn't know drivel from dribble .....

    6. Re: apple in seach of hype consumers by blibbo · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a fair description. But can you define what you mean by fluid? That adjective seems a bit less specific and meaningful than the others you gave.

    7. Re: apple in seach of hype consumers by baker_tony · · Score: 1

      My personal experience is that Android is more likely to stutter and freeze momentarily (even after updates and factory resets, they start off smooth then after a few days/weeks, seem to slow). I've found iOS to behave smooth like butter compared to smooth like margarine with a couple pinches of sand.

    8. Re:apple in seach of hype consumers by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Apple phones are consistent, fluid and reliable, get one if you want it to just work.

      It just works, except when it doesn't.

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    9. Re:apple in seach of hype consumers by thsths · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Android is much more powerful in many ways, while iOS seems restrictive beyond reason. But it does work well, incredibly well (which I would not say for Android - it just works, kind of).

    10. Re:apple in seach of hype consumers by baker_tony · · Score: 1

      The irony is that I've found I've spent a lot of my time in Android trying to find stuff like texting apps which emulate iOS's :-)
      Some of the good things about the restriction, is that it forces app developers in to having to do it Apple's way, so restrictive, but makes things seamless/consistent.
      However the restriction is annoying, when I can't make Chrome and Google Maps the defaults, or have to manually trigger the lastpass extension to fill in logins.

  3. awww that's cute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You expect them to lower price as their cost decreases?

    1. Re: awww that's cute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, won't see prices come down. Apple is positioned as a premium brand. They'd stop making phones first. I did just buy an SE and I'm very happy with it. Good size, has a headphone jack, and does a number of things more smoothly than my old android phone. Good sound quality too.

    2. Re:awww that's cute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depends on what Apple's goal is in India. If it is an increase in marketshare, that's not going to happen. Samsung already owns that market, and not just that, the Indian market has a lot more intertia than the West. Like RIM was still big there the last time I looked: the Indians didn't abandon it the way it was abandoned in the US. And not only does Samsung have a wide choice of phones, there are plenty of other manufacturers, like Karbonn and Micromax.

      Also, the last I looked, Apple didn't have much India specific content. In fact, at the time, the only apps one could download on an iPhone were from the US app store. While I'm sure Apple is looking at filling that gap, Android is already way ahead. In fact, even Windows Phone has about the marketshare that Apple has in India, although numbers may have dropped since that phone was abandoned.

    3. Re:awww that's cute by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      More just for local tax issues. Build a factory and the local product gets a local tax rate. Fully imported and its a different tax in some nations.

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  4. Race to the bottom by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 0

    The race of global businesses to cut costs by exporting labor is just going to result in everyone living in a third world country.

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    1. Re:Race to the bottom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds good to me. People should stop exploiting each other. All men are equal..

    2. Re:Race to the bottom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The very existence of exploitation demonstrates that men are not equal, you cuck.

    3. Re:Race to the bottom by alvinrod · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually globalism and this offshoring of labor has lead to drastic increases in the middle class for both China and India. Eventually machines will replace a lot of that cheap foreign labor, but it won't really matter since it means that it's even less expensive to produce the different goods and services that people want or need. Cutting costs and driving down the cost of goods and services is the only real way to eradicate poverty.

    4. Re:Race to the bottom by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      Actually globalism and this offshoring of labor has lead to drastic increases in the middle class for both China and India.

      Yes it has and it's also resulted in suppressed wages in the US and thus moving the middle class in the US closer to poverty. My point is that if we keep going on at this pace that it will make us all equally poor.

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    5. Re:Race to the bottom by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Yes it has and it's also resulted in suppressed wages in the US and thus moving the middle class in the US closer to poverty.

      Manufacturing job losses in America have been driven more by automation than by outsourcing. Lower wages are offset by lower prices for products made by machines or Asians. So the cost to Americans has been far, far less than the gains in Asia. Living standards in China have gone up eight-fold over the last 30 years.

      My point is that if we keep going on at this pace that it will make us all equally poor.

      My point is that this is nonsense. Improvements in productivity do not lead to poverty.

    6. Re:Race to the bottom by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Automation in places like the US, Canada or Europe will easily trounce manufacturing in places like China, India or Africa. Since those low wages won't offset the quality degradation that will necessarily happen when manufactured by cheap, rather than automated labor.

    7. Re:Race to the bottom by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      If a nation wants to help another nation then just charge an extra 10% tax to all citizens and send it over. It would be a great thing to do. Don't expect one small segment to do all the helping.

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    8. Re: Race to the bottom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. Resources work on scale. Literally.

      One side moves up, the other moves down.

      Every foriegn economy we boost pushes the USA lower each time. We see it here everyday.

      We need to focus on America. We need to stop using the American working class as the sacrificial lamb so ceos and politicians can look good.

    9. Re:Race to the bottom by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Nets to catch workers?

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    10. Re:Race to the bottom by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Actually globalism and this offshoring of labor has lead to drastic increases in the middle class for both China and India.

      Yes it has and it's also resulted in suppressed wages in the US and thus moving the middle class in the US closer to poverty. My point is that if we keep going on at this pace that it will make us all equally poor.

      How so? It's not like "line worker in manufacturing" ever was a middle class job description.

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    11. Re:Race to the bottom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reductio ad absurdum time:

      Let's assume that we maintain our current system of work-for-money whilst implementing widespread cost reductions. It gets to the point that everything without material scarcity costs virtually nothing. You can buy a loaf of bread for a cent, and a weeks shopping for a dollar.

      That sounds great, but if you've made 90% of people redundant to get there, how do they afford even one dollar? We've eliminated every person from every step in the process; robots plant, harvest and process the raw materials. It's cooked and packaged and shipped by robots. It's put on the shelf by a robot, and charged to your account when you leave the store by a robot using something like RFID.

      So everyone still needs a job, but what is there left to do? Create advertising and marketing to sell more of your 1 cent products to people who have zero cents? Design better robots to push the cost down so you can buy even more for a cent? What tasks are worth money in a civilisation where there is no scarcity of goods? Entertainment services for the people who own the means of production is the only thing I can think of.

      So what's the alternative of a planet ruled by a handful of super-rich and populated by their pets? Basic income? Collective ownership? Exterminating the poors? I'm genuinely asking, because there's no way status quo will work in that scenario.

    12. Re:Race to the bottom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's an idea. For a moment, let's believe the corporate hype that moving manufacturing around to different countries all the time has NOTHING to do with LABOR costs. If that is TRULY the case then, gosh, why not sell the manufactured product worldwide at the retail price that manufactured product costs in the country it is manufactured in? Okay, maybe add 2% to that retail cost to cover the ridiculously cheap worldwide shipping that we have.

      Wouldn't that free up more $$ for consumers to spend on other things and *gasp* maybe help national economies improve their GDP a bit?

    13. Re:Race to the bottom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No.

    14. Re:Race to the bottom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It depends on the type of anti-competitive practices. In theory, machine labor should decrease prices since it will certainly decrease costs and in a fair and efficient market, sales prices will converge to near the cost of production, give or take 10-20%. However, there are mechanism to prevent this sort of competition, such as patents, NDAs, and other legal contracts. While a healthy patent system benefits everyone, re-issuing patents to old ideas and having a lousy patent system fail to catch and reject such applications means that competition from anyone without the willingness to spend tens of millions at law firms to win a case (eventually, bad patents will be tossed out if you have competent (i.e. expensive) lawyers battle for a half-decade fight against it), won't exist. Without competition like that, you get fiascos like the epipen skyrocketing in price by 75,000%.

    15. Re:Race to the bottom by mario6915 · · Score: 0

      Yeah your way is the only way..... how arrogant and naive are you? Almost nothing in this world boils down to ONE way. In the real world solving major issues like poverty requires multiple approaches applied in tandem.

  5. Typo by JOstrow · · Score: 1

    TechCrunch wrote $220 (incorrect) instead of $320. WSJ got it right.

  6. Love the SE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's the right size to carry around, doesn't fall out of my pocket the way larger phones sometimes do.

    1. Re: Love the SE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And all my old accessories fit and work with it.

  7. Timmy Cook Can Not Beat Perception by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perception Rules Apple Ink And Timmy Cook.

    The iPhone SE is a credible device. Yet, the perception is that it is a 'Child's iPhone' or the iPhone for Queers. Timmy can twerk down the street shouting Do Wa Didi Didi Dum Didi Do all he wants and it will not change the perception.

    Jajajajajajajajajaja

  8. Pacing by JBMcB · · Score: 1

    Yes it has and it's also resulted in suppressed wages in the US and thus moving the middle class in the US closer to poverty. My point is that if we keep going on at this pace that it will make us all equally poor.

    It's been going "at this pace" for decades, centuries in some markets. You're assuming a zero sum game, if they have something then we can't have it, too. The truth is that the more people are involved in a market, the more wealth is created.

    Also, nothing is stopping you from "buying American." You can buy made in the US shoes from Alden for $300, made in the US shirts from Brooks Brothers for $100, made in the US khakis from Bills for $100, made in the US jeans from Earnest Sewn for $200.

    If you don't like paying that much, then you can't complain that much about globalism.

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    1. Re:Pacing by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 0

      You're assuming a zero sum game, if they have something then we can't have it, too.

      Parts of it a zero sum but obviously not all of it.

      The truth is that the more people are involved in a market, the more wealth is created.

      Ahh, the foolish armchair economist and his ideas about "wealth" that don't align with reality. Nice to meet you once more.

      Also, nothing is stopping you from "buying American." You can buy made in the US shoes from Alden for $300, made in the US shirts from Brooks Brothers for $100, made in the US khakis from Bills for $100, made in the US jeans from Earnest Sewn for $200.

      If you don't like paying that much, then you can't complain that much about globalism.

      That's the dumbest thing I've read on this subject. Congratulations on taking the title of fool.

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    2. Re:Pacing by Rutulian · · Score: 1

      Also, nothing is stopping you from "buying American." You can buy made in the US shoes from Alden for $300, made in the US shirts from Brooks Brothers for $100, made in the US khakis from Bills for $100, made in the US jeans from Earnest Sewn for $200.

      If you don't like paying that much, then you can't complain that much about globalism.

      That's the dumbest thing I've read on this subject. Congratulations on taking the title of fool.

      It's not dumb at all. Quite a few people here on /. argue that they would be happy to pay more for products, so companies should only hire Americans for everything. "Your local dairy farm shouldn't hire temporary farm workers from Mexico, because Americans would be willing to do that work if they paid a market wage." Well, here's your chance. Go ahead and pay 5-10 times the cost for a pair of blue jeans. Put your money where your mouth is.

    3. Re:Pacing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He at least made an argument. All you do is call him names. You aren't going to convince anyone by just calling them names. Actually if that is all you're going to do, please go somewhere else.

  9. How Apple can win by currently_awake · · Score: 1

    A vertical supply chain, totally in house, with full automation at every step. All costs come from human labour so get rid of the humans and you can sell an Iphone for a dollar. Having all that money in the (offshore) bank means they can afford the massive cost to do this, and bury their competition.

  10. GM passing on India by spinitch · · Score: 1

    Not an Apples to well even a similar fruit comparison but GM appears to pass on the India masses temptation due to low margin low end models. The SE while still pricey by India ave consumer standards might trickle down from upper middle classes to masses in a year or to used so Apple might still succeed. At least it is still a standard model sort of. Apple still selling SE in Japan by budget brand Y mobile JP. If low tier autos make a come back as western world goes broke outsourcing to developing countries then GM long term might miss but near term seems India not worth the commitments from a high end auto mfg. Time will tell but why the early bets important get it right great return get it wrong so long capital.