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Is Russia Conducting A Social Media War On America? (time.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Time magazine ran a cover story about "a dangerous new route for antidemocratic forces" -- social media. "Using these technologies, it is possible to undermine democratic government, and it's becoming easier every day," says Rand Waltzman of the Rand Corp., who ran a major Pentagon research program to understand the propaganda threats posed by social media technology." The article cites current and former FBI and CIA officials who now believe Russia's phishing emails against politicians were "just the most visible battle in an ongoing information war against global democracy." They cite, for example, a March report by U.S. counterintelligence which found "Russians had sent expertly tailored messages carrying malware to more than 10,000 Twitter users in the Defense Department." Each message contained links tailored to the interests of the recipient, but "When clicked, the links took users to a Russian-controlled server that downloaded a program allowing Moscow's hackers to take control of the victim's phone or computer -- and Twitter account...

"In 2016, Russia had used thousands of covert human agents and robot computer programs to spread disinformation referencing the stolen campaign emails of Hillary Clinton, amplifying their effect. Now counterintelligence officials wondered: What chaos could Moscow unleash with thousands of Twitter handles that spoke in real time with the authority of the armed forces of the United States?" The article also notes how algorithms now can identify hot-button issues and people susceptible to suggestion, so "Propagandists can then manually craft messages to influence them, deploying covert provocateurs, either humans or automated computer programs known as bots, in hopes of altering their behavior. That is what Moscow is doing, more than a dozen senior intelligence officials and others investigating Russia's influence operations tell Time."

The article describes a Russian soldier in the Ukraine pretending to be a 42-year-old American housewife. Meanwhile, this week Time's cover shows America's White House halfway-covered with Kremlin-esque spires -- drawing a complaint from the humorists at Mad magazine, who say Time copied the cover of Mad's December issue.

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  1. The media is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If anyone is conducting a (metaphorical) war on America, it's the news media. How many hyped up bullshit stories is it going to take before news media consumers realize it's 95% storytelling and 5% actual events?

    1. Re:The media is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Seriously people. Stop treating government as a sporting contest where you cheer for your team to crush the other team.

      The government is the police and the military. They arrest and imprison people. They carry out drone strikes and bombings. They ruin people's lives. They take ~25% of everything everyone produces every year.

      It's not a game. It's not a TV show. It's not a comedy. And it's not about you feeling good about yourself -- you're not a storybook hero. It's a grownup thing. Time to start thinking and acting like grownups.

    2. Re:The media is by StevenMaurer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's not a war on America. That's what America wants.

      Media outlets live and die by ratings. They've tried appealing to people's logic before. Audiences tune it out.

      Actually, this is a general metaphor for most of the modern world. Big bad "corporations" get blamed for the general preferences and assholishness of the general public. Want to know why all food is such cheap shit? McDs tries to sell salads, but nobody buys. Want to know why all the characters in horror movies are so stupid, and hit TV shows make fun of nerds? Most of the audience is stupider than a bag of rocks.

      And politically -- and this also applies to intelligent people as well -- nobody wants information. All they want is validation. So that's what modern day media provides them. They have to, in this competitive landscape. The days of the big three forcing people to watch southerners brutalizing blacks because there was literally nothing else on TV, is long gone. They'll just switch to FOX, where no one even knows that Trump is in hock up to his eyeballs to Putin-connected billionaires.

    3. Re: The media is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      It is incredibly ironic that you decided to end your diatribe on morons believing anything that validates their views with a demonstration that you are a moron who will believe anything that validates your views.

      There is not, and has never been, any evidence, large or small, connecting Donald Trump to Russia, or linking Russia to the DNC hacking. At all. Ever. In any capacity.

      It is a complete fabrication perpetrated by a manipulative and tilting news media who bet everything and lost in the last election.

      I voted for Hillary, but I'm not stupid or partisan enough to be duped into thinking anyone other than her is responsible for her loss. Grow the fuck up already.

    4. Re:The media is by Sarcasmooo! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This isn't really true at all. Two of the highest rated news programs in America are 60 Minutes and NPR's All Things Considered (google it). They even outperform FOX News. The most critically acclaimed entertainment shows are also often the most watched shows.

      The reason crap is crap, is that crap is cheap to make and good things are more expensive to make. The formula for TV is not a singular pursuit of the highest possible ratings (though that is always nice I'm sure), it's a mix of the best ratings possible for the cheapest price possible, maximizing ad revenue.

    5. Re:The media is by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just because he's aligned with Russian interests doesn't mean he's Russian.

      I like that the ability of the western media to influence politics with international progressivism is being weakened. The threats that the big bad bear will come invade Europe if we don't stop him now are fucking laughable. He's playing games in his backyard, those games are less relevant to me than the games the west is playing in the ME.

      That he's pushing nativism to weaken the EU, fucking great. I don't want minarets calling for Islamic prayer anywhere near me or even in my country. There's individual Muslims I don't mind, but the culture should have no significant power here. Letting them gather demographic and political power in Europe will lead to disaster far more certainly than Putin trying to incorporate land with Russophones.

      The suppressed truths of the western media are far more dangerous to me and mine than Putin's lies.

    6. Re: The media is by ma1wrbu5tr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You can't use lefty rags as sources when even they say that there is no hard evidence. Only to follow up with STFU. Can you see the irony there?

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    7. Re: The media is by ilguido · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The only irony here is your attempt to refute my observation that too many people only want validation, by showing that you reject anything other than what you want to believe, and not even addressing the many referenced sources and facts that were presented to do.

      When someone reports pseudo-facts, factoids and fake news as hard evidence, people tend to believe there's something fishy going on. I clicked on the first link (TIME magazine) and the article literally starts with: "Russian intelligence agencies have allegedly recently digitally broken into four different American organizations that are affiliated either with Hillary Clinton or the Democratic Party since late May". This is a factoid; there is no real reason to not think that the Democratic Party hack is 90% due to the internal grievances with the party misconduct toward Sanders: some intern dumped the data and then shared it to expose such petty behaviour. The whole Russian hack thing smells like a really smelly red herring.

      I think that in the end you just proved your point: people want validation, you too.

    8. Re: The media is by Uberbah · · Score: 1, Insightful

      YOU stfu. The entire hysteria over Trump and Russia rests on the notion that Russia "hacked our election" and Trump was colluding with Putin to do so. But there is no evidence whatsoever to back that up, making this the most pathetic deranged partisan dumbfuckery since the Birthers kept insisting Obama was born in Kenya after his long-form birth certificate was released.

      And pathetically hypocritical as well, as it wasn't Trump who sold 20% of America's uranium to Russia after his foundation took donations from Russia.

    9. Re: The media is by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Apples and Oranges. And potatoes for tha matter.

      The only vote that the Constitution allows is the Electoral Vote.

      Anything else is journalists running around tallying up numbers. They might as well be tallying up the weight of the jewelry that the people voting for each candidate were wearing when they voted.

  2. The S in USSR by tepples · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Crimea invasion and now this? It looks like long-time KGBer Vladimir Putin is serious about rebuilding the Union of Soviet Social-ist Republics.

  3. Hype is hype by phantomfive · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The vast majority of the article can be summed as, "astroturfing." I think we've known for a while that various governments pay people to enter forums and post messages trying control the narrative.

    There is a paragraph about phishing that largely is quoted in the summary. The article doesn't make clear whether these are phishing attacks from the Russian government, or just from Russia.

    Overall, the article is an example of the breathless hyperbole that fills every news article these days.

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  4. Re:No by Kohath · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because the alternative is admitting that Hillary lost because she's terrible and because her views are out of step with the public.

    And that can't be true, right? If it were, Republicans would also control the House and the Senate and the majority of the state governorships and the state legislatures.

  5. Re:They learned it from the USA by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Probably the biggest source of propaganda came during the 2007 TARP. If the American people did not bail out the banks who had been holding CMOs, the economy would be devastated.

    This one really gets my goat. The big banks got off so easy at the expense of taxpayers. Then they lobbied so successfully for Dodd-Frank that it became a present wrapped for them in a bow.

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    "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
  6. Re:No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well that's good, because there isn't any accusation of electoral fraud, vote rigging or coercion of voters (except by Trump).

    Like a good infowarrior you erected a poor strawman to avoid recognition of the actual concern.

    Good job, man!

    Glad Russia didn't have any trouble manipulation social media. You are a poster child.

  7. Democrats looking for a Reason by sycodon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The Democrats are practically shut out of the state governments. Legislative branches and Governorships.

    The have been in the minority in the Federal Government for nearly ten years now.

    And now Hillary just got technically KO'd by a bloviating braggart (which, I have to admit, I thoroughly enjoyed watching.).

    So now they are struggling to figure out what happened and make sense of their current predicament. In the best tradition of politicians, they have found an scapegoat...the Russians.

    Despite allcoolnameswheretak insistence and links, there is no hard evidence of the Russians interfering with the election. Rumors, innuendo, circumstantial curiosities, but nothing more.To the extent they might have been perpetrating a Psyops, there is no evidence they've done anything that WE haven't done throughout the world currently and in the past.

    The furious panty twisting the Democrats are engaged in is merely a Psyops on the American people.

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  8. Re:Consensus government by Gussington · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Switzerland has a GDP of around $650B. There are only 6 _states_ in the US that have more and only 3 states have more than double that. Now, I did not fund a list of US GDP by country, but unless, for example, California manages to have about 25% of its total GDP in only one county, your numbers are complete bullshit.

    The funny part is if you wanted to take the county or state comparison all the way, then a good chunk of the US would be considered third world.
    Actually that's not funny at all, it's really quite sad...