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Apple's Jonathan Ive Says Immigration Vital For UK Firms (bbc.com)
The UK must keep its doors open to top talent from around the world if its technology firms are to thrive, Apple's chief designer has told the BBC. An anonymous reader shares the article: Sir Jonathan Ive, who has just been appointed Chancellor of the Royal College of Art, also said that technology hubs like Silicon Valley had a "tremendous cultural diversity". Some technology firms fear they may lose access to talent after Brexit. "That general principle [on access] is terribly important for creating a context for multiple companies to grow and in a healthy way explore and develop new products and new product types," Sir Jonathan told BBC Radio 4's Today programme. Sir Jonathan said the UK had a "fabulous tradition of design education", but that it needed to do more to become a technology hub on a par with Silicon Valley in California, where the likes of Apple, Facebook and Google are based. "I think Silicon Valley has infrastructures to support start-up companies... ranging from technological support through to funding," he said. "And there is the sense that failure isn't irreversible, so very often people will work on an idea, and there isn't the same sense of stigma when one idea and perhaps one company doesn't work out."
You'll only be allowed in if you will get hired by a larger company, and your hiring will effectively take talent from other European companies. The UK immigration programme will be brain-drain and nothing else.
...Brits and Americans are just way too fucking stupid. WE NEED INDIANS!
Immigration is a great way to bring in top talent, but it requires a merit-based approach to immigration. In the US, it's what H-1B was supposed to do, and would he helpful if it was still used properly. The problem for Europe is that so many of the immigrants are refugees and from other places where terrorists groups are based. By all means, open the borders to highly skilled immigrants who can help to grow the UK's industries. However, there are too many Muslims entering the country from places like Libya, who are entering for the purpose of carrying out attacks. In the present day, Muslims are responsible for a very disproportionate amount of attacks. Let's bring in more skilled immigrants from other parts of the world and greatly reduce the amount of Muslims entering.
And everyone will keep denying it until they die.
There's a impartial opinion... no self interest there at all!
Cheap labour and rich suckers are vital for monster profits!
How about Apple trains up some Brits?
With only $250+ billion sitting in offshore accounts, the big brains at apple can't figure out how to train the locals, either in the public school system or in house. Back in the day, HP, IBM, ATT, GE, Ford, blah, blah, blah, did this for pretty much their entire work force. Seemed to work OK post-war through Reagan/Thatcher. I wonder what's changed? /s
Firms like funeral directors & glaziers? They sure create plenty of work for them!
...are these people going to stop pretending it's about talent?
It's not. It's about cheap, compliant, captive labor.
Disagree? YOU explain why these so-fucking-smart people need to be trained for six months by the locals they are replacing.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
Governments and businesses don't want to go to the expense of training locals up to the standard they require and would rather just outsource the training to another country's taxpayers. Immigration has become a necessary driver of the economy because the training infrastructure has atrophied to the point where other countries are much better at growing talent than the locals.
Apple loves to tell everyone how to run their society but then they go and dodge taxes which are a fundamental underpinning of any modern society. I think Apple needs to pay up or shut the fuck up.
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Must have cheap captive labor to maximize the 1%ers' bonuses and stock options.
Don't like it? Don't buy it.
I don't want a computer with soldered RAM either. But I'm not bothered by it, because I don't buy Apples.
I used to be in favor more more lax immigration laws, but now I've changed course and decided that all immigration needs to be cut off completely, thanks to Jonathan Ive. Since he's come out publicly in favor of immigration, and I utterly despise his work, I'll now be forced to vote against politicians who are pro-immigration. Good job, Johnny.
Seriously, though, these corporate fools really should just shut their mouths, because they likely don't help build public support for their positions when they blab their personal opinions so publicly, and can even hurt their companies. How many people stopped buying from various companies like Barilla when their egotistical CEOs publicly proclaimed their opposition to gay marriage, for instance? How many people stopped shopping at Hobby Lobby when they outed themselves as Christian crusaders against contraceptives for their employees?
He only "supports immigration" as long as it provides a steady stream of desperate, captive, fly-by-night labor.
He doesn't support it when it provides people that want to become hard-working citizens that assimilate in a new country.
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Immigration is never necessary - you can train the local population. Companies taking a hit to improve the countries they reside in should be encouraged, especially considering we've already got tremendous income inequality. Here in the US we have cities full of poor African Americans being displaced by foreign tech workers, why?
Given the push for lynching anyone that dares question AGW, I'd say that political correctness has taken over many parts of the sciences.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
I'm taking a shit in the queens face.
Phony, specious "noble bloodlines" . They should exile every dottering old Royal Piece of Shit from that gaudy, pompous nanny-state. Just a damp, grey, mouldering island filled with crumbling, filthy architecture, imported trash and constant surveillance.
Hope the whole country gets destroyed in the near future.
Let them into your house, Jony Ive.
And BTW let them into Timmy Cook's private estate.
They need some of your wealth, share it and pay your fair share in taxes.
And what about the stupid natives? How are you getting rid of them?
Wait until the economy tanks. They'll all fuck off to Lavaturia and Rumentia to pick fruit and wipe fat old bastards' arses.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Because washing pieces of little girls out of your hair is a small price to pay for more immigration!
Silicon Valley did just fine in the 1980s with just black and white Americans. Since there are more than enough h-1bs to go around for outsourcing low end coders and sysadmins, the number of h-1bs could be cut by a lot. Those Silicon Valley CEOs are full of it.
Telling schools what employment skills the other nations schools "teach" students so UK students can have the same advantages?
Tell UK universities what they are missing every year that makes some graduate from another nation so vital for a company every decade?
What is the UK lacking that poor nations with no funding can do so well every decade that no school or university in the UK can do?
The UK has had decades of the best teaching staff to educate teachers, the best teachers for its schools and universities, the language skills are equal, good health care, good nutrition, clean water, no national service issues to remove a section of a population from quality education.
UK students would have the same testing averages as most over advance nations ranging from the best in the world to average.
Nothing is really holding back UK education on average every decade. People graduate in the UK at a good rate every decade with merit based course work.
Workers in the UK should graduate from school and university with all the skills to fill any job in the UK. The UK has the ability to support its own people from vocational to very advanced university vocations.
Is the UK lacking in math teaching? Engineering? Computer experts? When does the average person in the UK not gain the needed skills or fail to graduate?
The UK pushed a lot of advanced networked computer hardware and quality educational programming languages into all its schools, giving some computer access per student going back to the 1980's. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Something other nations could not afford to do.
Thats generations of computer and math course work for most UK students other nations could never afford on average.
What did UK education system so lack every decade that very average poor nations workers now have skills to "bring" to the UK?
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
I think he was just trying to make a point that, to be successful, the struggle of workers against capitalist exploitation must be international.
He actually said "Immigration vital for UK shareholders"
So Jony Ive is saying that all the best and brightest Indians and Chinese (no mention of Africans, no doubt) should LEAVE their own people and culture and come and live in white countries to benefit us 'useless' whites?
And then the overall intelligence of those countries collapses because all the 'best' (LOL) people have emigrated?
But most of those people we get have no qualifications, and those who have qualifications, are screened and accepted into the US or Canada.
Tremendous cultural diversity = women, gays and asians... and don't forget the eclectic white men! Burning Man attendees, that's another culture right?
Not many blacks + hispanics tho... they must be underrepresented in California.
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It's not about training it's about paying 15 cents to the dollar
or 15 shillings to the quidler or whatever fake money you use
It may be spelled Pound Sterling, but it's really Quatloos.
Then you're a complete asshole for replying. Fucking useless.
Wow, you're stupid, aren't you? If you don't like the products a company is selling, then don't buy them, it's that simple. Apples are luxury products, and you don't need them in any way; there's plenty of competition. If you don't like soldered RAM, go buy something else that doesn't have that. There's no shortage of computers out there with non-soldered RAM.
Fucking stupid.
You can try to coordinate some actions across national boundaries, but legal jurisdictions necessarily stop at those boundaries, so you can't just ignore them and call them "imaginary lines". Armed government enforcers do enforce laws within those lines, so while those lines may be man-made, they do really exist.
Yup. No disagreement.
I doubt Eton's or Harrow's budgets have been cut. And they're what matters, not the grubby oiks from Barnsley who would only grow up to be chavs anyway.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."