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Seven Science Journals Have A Dog On Their Editorial Board (atlasobscura.com)

An anonymous reader writes: A professor of health policy at Australia's Curtin University got seven different science journals to put his dog on their editorial board. The dog is now associate editor for the Global Journal of Addiction & Rehabilitation Medicine, and sits on the editorial board of Psychiatry and Mental Disorders. The professor says he feels sorry for one researcher who recently submitted a paper about how to treat sheath tumors, because "the journal has sent it to a dog to review." The official profile of the dog lists its research interests as "the benefits of abdominal massage for medium-sized canines" and "avian propinquity to canines in metropolitan suburbs."
An Australian news site points out that career-minded researchers pay up to $3,000 to get their work published in predatory journals so they can list more publications on their resumes. "While this started as something lighthearted," says the dog-owning professor, "I think it is important to expose shams of this kind which prey on the gullible, especially young or naive academics and those from developing countries."

106 comments

  1. Academia is Pay To Win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Pay for the most expensive school, then load your CV with pay to publish articles, and eventually you will get grants and "win"!

    If any industry needs disruption, it's the education industry.

    1. Re:Academia is Pay To Win by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Funny

      If any industry needs disruption, it's the education industry.

      Education costs have risen faster than any other cateogy for the last 20 years. Faster than housing or even healthcare.

    2. Re:Academia is Pay To Win by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Education costs have risen faster than any other cateogy [zerohedge.com] for the last 20 years. Faster than housing or even healthcare.

      And it's happening at a time when universities are replacing full faculty with very low-paid adjuncts who don't even get basic benefits.

      The sad part is that of the three (housing, healthcare and education), higher education would be the easiest to reform, but university administrators and board members, who are increasingly coming from private industry, have little to no incentive to do so. I'm glad I got out of the game when I did.

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    3. Re:Academia is Pay To Win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's primarily due to funding sources. Students are expected to have their education funded through a combination of loans, grants and scholarships. Often times you don't really know how much it's going to cost as you don't know what sort of financial aid you'll get further into the degree.

      But, because so much of the cost is from grants and scholarships, it removes a lot of the incentive to keep costs to a minimum as the student isn't necessarily going to be paying all of it anyways.

    4. Re: Academia is Pay To Win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Education costs have risen faster than any other cateogy for the last 20 years."

      In the US. Healthcare's looking increasingly unaffordable too.

    5. Re:Academia is Pay To Win by habig · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Pay for the most expensive school, then load your CV with pay to publish articles, and eventually you will get grants and "win"!

      Doesn't work. People evaluating your publication record (your dept. head, your dean, someone reading your CV when you apply for the next job) know which journals are junk pay-to-win rags, and not only discount those items, but then figure you don't know what the heck you are talking about since you even had those useless items on your CV.

      Had you read the summary (not even TFA), you'd see that the "victims" are "the gullible, especially young or naive academics and those from developing countries". Not "the most expensive schools".

      Funding agencies are even more discriminating. When your program has only 10-20% of the funds available needed to fund the incoming proposals, crap like this doesn't even make the first cut in a grant application. Why? There's not enough money available to fund the really good proposals. Go ahead, make my life as a proposal reviewer easier by giving me an excuse to move one of the huge stack to the "do not fund" pile.

      If any industry needs disruption, it's the education industry.

      Maybe: but if you want to make that argument, make one that holds water.

    6. Re:Academia is Pay To Win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "who are increasingly coming from private industry"

      I'm going to need a source on that, or at least a citation as to why it's a bad thing. When I did my masters, it was at a research university with nothing but pure bred academics. I opted to not pursue a doctorate because of all the politics and back stabbing. I was glad to get back into the world of corporate science because the motives were so much more honest.

    7. Re:Academia is Pay To Win by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

      I opted to not pursue a doctorate because of all the politics and back stabbing.

      It's nothing to be ashamed of. It's too hard for most people.

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    8. Re:Academia is Pay To Win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which university? and/or how were you backstabbed?

      I always hear complaints like this, but the complaint is almost always some uppity kid who hasn't even got through a PhD and expects to be treated like royalty.

      Yeah, "corporate science" is perfectly honest: whatever's profitable, no matter how sound the science.

    9. Re:Academia is Pay To Win by Vermonter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Education costs have risen faster than any other cateogy for the last 20 years. Faster than housing or even healthcare.

      Well, when you make it really easy for people to get student loans, of course prices are going to go up. It's basic economics - if the demand increases, costs go up. Good or bad, it's one of the side effects of federal sponsored student loans. If you created federal mortgages that made it easier to people to buy homes, you would see home prices skyrocket as well.

    10. Re:Academia is Pay To Win by turbidostato · · Score: 0

      ...and if you give them an UBI, then everything basic skyrockets.

    11. Re: Academia is Pay To Win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First education is not an industry. You do not produce graduates, you educate them. Second, the article is about research and specifically medical research and the stupidity to publish the most. That results in people going to fake conferences and publish in fake journals who have only a weak reputation, but if only the number counts....

    12. Re: Academia is Pay To Win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Elizabeth Holmes and Theranos have given unreserved endorsement of your statement about corporate honesty in science and research =D

    13. Re:Academia is Pay To Win by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      Yeah because welfare has caused everything to skyrocket too.

    14. Re:Academia is Pay To Win by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Education should be free or completely decoupled from people's income or ability to pay. Education should however not be easy or universal. The idea that everyone goes to university is stupid on the face of it.

    15. Re:Academia is Pay To Win by denzacar · · Score: 1

      That sounds more like a rat race than a dog's life to me.

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    16. Re:Academia is Pay To Win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Well, when you make it really easy for people to get student loans, of course prices are going to go up. It's basic economics - if the demand increases, costs go up."

      That is supply (of student loans) going up. The problem is lack of price control on education.

    17. Re:Academia is Pay To Win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Doesn't work. People evaluating your publication record (your dept. head, your dean, someone reading your CV when you apply for the next job) know which journals are junk pay-to-win rags, and not only discount those items, but then figure you don't know what the heck you are talking about since you even had those useless items on your CV.

      Nope, it works up to a point. It helps to get a foot in the door. I have a student (and am posting anonymously for that reason) who obviously had some journal publications in his CV that I assumed were not really peer-reviewed. I read them. After I took the student, I discovered that, basically, all his publications were in such outlets. It was quite a surprise that an IEEE conference would publish pay-for articles in IEEE proceedings without requiring the author to appear at the conference. Ough.

      Bottom line, the student is excellent. But, I would have probably not started considering him if he had zero publications in his CV (which would be the honest state give that the university he was from had zilch funding for research). He had five publications, all turned out to be self-published worthless stuff in the end, would have not passed peer review, but that hooked me to look further and eventually take him.

      The effort he made to beef up his CV under the circumstances showed that he would make whatever effort necessary to get through. As I have said, he's an excellent student. Now that he's in a well-finded group in a Western university, he has many real well-cited publications.

      I imagine this trick works much further in career in, err, third-world countries.

    18. Re:Academia is Pay To Win by Vermonter · · Score: 1

      Maybe, but I'm not so sure. UBI gives people a certain amount of money to spend on whatever they want. Federal student loans, however, is specifically for higher education. Since UBI is not focused on a given market, it may not have much impact on prices.

    19. Re:Academia is Pay To Win by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because of the big bucks you make with UBI, we might have a shortage of Ferraris really soon...

      But yes, basic food might become more expensive now that more people can afford it. True, true...

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    20. Re:Academia is Pay To Win by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Quite the opposite, everyone should be able to get into a university. That would allow them to weed out left and right and make sure that only the absolute best really graduate. Drop out rates of 90% should actually be the norm, at least when 100% can afford to enroll.

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    21. Re:Academia is Pay To Win by quetwo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And you should be asking "why?" is it rising faster than any other category.

      A large part of the 'cost' of education rising so fast is that public schools are being increasing defunded from public sources -- putting the cost of education to the student rather the state or fed. In 1996, the State of Michigan supported on average 85% of the total budget of the largest three research schools -- today they support less than 15%. Similar stories in most other states. The actual cost of schooling somebody at a public school, taking into account all funding sources has been flat or has gone down in most cases. That accounts for the rising cost of health care, energy, etc. that have been rising as well.

      Private schools, however, have been increasing the price to match the apparent increase to students in the public sector. Since most private schools's students are eligible for federal loans, there is no incentive to keep the costs down.

      https://mediad.publicbroadcast...

    22. Re: Academia is Pay To Win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's all because America is a shithole for education, medical care and a whole lot more.. say thank u to corporates and the military...

    23. Re:Academia is Pay To Win by cryptizard · · Score: 1

      Pay for the most expensive school

      Except every school costs the same when you are getting a PhD in a STEM field: $0. Everyone gets an assistantship. You actually get paid to go to school. Moreover, grants come largely from organizations like the NSF where awards are given by panels of other academics who are acutely aware of fake journals. The system is not perfect but it is not "pay to win".

    24. Re:Academia is Pay To Win by thegarbz · · Score: 1, Insightful

      That would allow them to weed out left and right and make sure that only the absolute best really graduate. Drop out rates of 90% should actually be the norm, at least when 100% can afford to enroll.

      Sorry but disagree. University is for serious education not for giving everyone a go. Dropout rates should be low and people should be weeded out before they get to that stage. I mean there's a whole lifetime of school leading up to university where attendance is high which could be used as an indicator.

      The last thing you want is a lecture hall with 1000 people where 900 aren't interested.

      I say this from experience. In Australia classes are assigned with fixed positions and those are filled based on talent from best to worst. Unfortunately engineering was not popular despite a high number of places available. The cut-off for acceptance showed there were people who failed a significant number of subjects in high school enrolled in engineering at our university. An engineering maths class room full of disinterested brain dead people who probably thought they were there to lean to drive trains was incredibly disruptive to everyone.

    25. Re:Academia is Pay To Win by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Just because your country implemented it badly doesn't mean that idea of giving everyone the opportunity to study is a bad one. We, too, have a rather large number of people starting every year. It clears up quickly, though.

      Even stupid people notice that they're wasting their life, and people in general don't really like doing that.

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    26. Re: Academia is Pay To Win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think anyone making a serious academia hiring decision is unaware of "pay to play" journals.

    27. Re:Academia is Pay To Win by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Just because your country implemented it badly

      Who said that? I said no such thing. My country implemented it very well and the situation we were in was an anomaly in an otherwise excellent educational system.

      I also didn't disagree that everyone should have the opportunity to study. I just said that AT the university is the wrong place to figure this out. Sort it out outside of the university. By throwing everyone in all you do is increase the cost of university (by diverting resources to those who won't finish), lower the quality of education (by dividing up resources over more people), and wasting potential earning capacity of someone who could instead be in the workforce instead of *actually* wasting their time.

      You're also quite naive to think that people who are stupid or don't go to university are automatically wasting their life. The only true waste of their life is doing something because someone else suggested it (go to university if you want to be successful is the worst lie of the generation), but being in a position to never achieve it.

      You have 12+ years to prepare people for university or the workforce. If you're not actually sure about university before you get to university then the education system has failed you bigtime, not the least because your last few years of school should be preparing you for *your* future, and not just generically spitting out more generic people who may be doing anything.

      The "stupid" people at my school had their trade qualification before I started university and some had their houses paid off before I got my degree because the education system prepared them appropriately by weeding out the electricians from the potential engineers, the phlebotomists and radiologists from the doctors and surgeons, etc. and if a person is actually truly stupid getting them into the workforce and out of a system not designed for them as soon as possible, because they need all the headstart they can get.

    28. Re:Academia is Pay To Win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We had an algorithm in the corner of the white board in one of our engineering labs. Effectively, it translated to GPA 2.5; then degree = business. It did evolve a bit over the year, but it was more or less true. Engineering is difficult and not everyone actually enjoys the long lab hours. Some topics also require intuitive leaps that require a little more then just memorization. Nothing cannot be learned if you can afford the interest. Well the business folks had a much easier degree and featured some software development. For most people, it really meant you could coast out of the school and get a bachelors with little effort.

      In boston, I met a lot of bartenders that had philosophy degrees and other not exactly fruitful educations. That's what you get when there is no cost and people just decide to fill their time. Really, they are just kids and if let them adult they can screw that up pretty badly.

      That said, I know some pretty big idiots who went on to make a lot of money with their worthless degree. They might have been tards, but compared to the general populace they were still competent.

    29. Re:Academia is Pay To Win by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      Bubble bubble bubble bubble...
      Anyone care to speculate what happens when the education bubble finally pops?

    30. Re: Academia is Pay To Win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm... Pretty sure when a school has a prospective profit quarter with a plan to increase profits it is for profit then.

      It seems like the gaining profit bit has passed the point of diminishing returns to the education of students and has become a barrier to the schools own/prospective students well being.

      There are exceptions of course.

      Also I thought that the number of citations in peer reviewed papers was a better indicator of the quality of research. At least usually.

      Some gems would have to fall through the cracks and some garbage would have to be recognized but yeah.

  2. A dog's purpose by ProzacPatient · · Score: 5, Funny

    The dog is on the editorial board to sniff out bullshit

    1. Re:A dog's purpose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And then roll in it?

    2. Re:A dog's purpose by quenda · · Score: 4, Funny

      Also, a great new excuse for being late with your thesis:

      "My editor ate my submission. "

    3. Re:A dog's purpose by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      And then roll in it?

      No, that's the administrators' job.

      Meanwhile, a cat will be hired to vomit on social science papers. In that discipline, it's called peer review.

    4. Re:A dog's purpose by ProzacPatient · · Score: 1

      But I thought the cat was in charge of the human resources department?

  3. Stage Name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I don't see the problem here. How is this any different from a real person using a stage name, pen name, or sock puppet? Any work credited to the dog is ghostwritten by the owner.

    1. Re:Stage Name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The issue is that they didn't verify the person was qualified to do the work. In this case it's a dog, but it could have been somebody that was outright incompetent or an industry shill or similar. It speaks volumes for the lack of integrity of the publication that there's at least one editor that's not even remotely qualified to read the paper, let alone know what any of it means.

    2. Re:Stage Name by easyTree · · Score: 5, Funny

      So quick to blame this on human corruption - for all we know, the dog was granted additional priority by other dogs on the editorial board.

      *woof*

  4. stop reading and citing them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Its pretty simple, non peer reviewed generals do not represent good science and research. Stop citing them, stop reading them. People publish in them not necessarily because their results are bad, but because their research methods are trash and often unrepeatable.

    1. Re:stop reading and citing them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What ??? - Someone reads them.
      I thought they were just CV fillers....

    2. Re:stop reading and citing them by Bearhouse · · Score: 1

      non peer reviewed generals do not represent good science and research

      To be fair, I don't think Generals ever claimed to... ;)

    3. Re:stop reading and citing them by pablo.cl · · Score: 1

      He meant gerenals, not generals.

  5. Don't you mean "at least" seven? by Steve1952 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, all that this article shows that a minimum of seven science journals have a dog on their editorial board.

    1. Re:Don't you mean "at least" seven? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The rest of the editorial board members are two dogs and a small child in a trench coat.

  6. Capitalism meets science publishing by The+Real+Dr+John · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Look, our lab has published in standard pay walled journals, and in open access journals. They both put you through the usual peer review, which can be honest and thorough, quick and uncritical, absurdly overcritical and just plain silly sometimes. Each journal is different. Some journals are so bad that their editors can put their dog on the editorial board. Many are much better than that. But the scientific review process is so fractured and disconnected that there is no way to know which publications are reliable, and which are not. Even the top tier, pay walled journals publish crap sometimes, and even they have to retract some papers after serious problems are found. Opening up the review process to the public and making reviews more inclusive, honest and accountable (no anonymous reviewers) would go a long way to improving the system.

    Paying $3000 to get your work published in an honest and properly peer reviewed open access journal is a good thing, it means that everyone can read the work for free. Fixing the existing peer review and scientific publishing problems is going to take a lot of concerted effort on the part of scientists and publishers.

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    1. Re:Capitalism meets science publishing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      "our lab has published in standard pay walled journals, and in open access journals."

      My lab hasn't published yet, he's more concerned about playing with his kong. But I'm sure if he decides he wants to publish, it won't be difficult.

    2. Re:Capitalism meets science publishing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For the theoretical aspects of many subjects within math, physics, and engineering, I don't see why you even need a review process. If someone has something useful to add to what is out there, what is the problem with writing it and self publishing in this day and age? If it is good, it will live up to scrutiny, and if not, it will be ignored. The shit either works or it doesn't - the derivation is either valid or it isn't. Einstein's papers were never subject to peer review. A journal would publish one of his papers and the community would review it. If I remember, it wasn't until he tried to publish something in a US journal that he was subjected to peer review (something he apparently found very irritating). A lot of the greatest works out there were never subject to formal peer review.

    3. Re:Capitalism meets science publishing by Phillip2 · · Score: 1

      "Paying $3000 to get your work published in an honest and properly peer reviewed open access journal is a good thing, it means that everyone can read the work for free."

      Having everyone free to read your work is good, but paying $3000 is not. It's just a rip off. A rip-off that I endure because some one tells me that I have to.

      "Fixing the existing peer review and scientific publishing problems is going to take a lot of concerted effort on the part of scientists and publishers."

      Publishers have no role in this. Their interests are entirely in keeping things the way that they are.

    4. Re:Capitalism meets science publishing by The+Real+Dr+John · · Score: 1

      First off, it it usually more like $2000, but you are right that it isn't right. Like I said, this is what capitalism does. It monetizes everything, including knowledge. I would greatly prefer that the NIH budget be doubled so that more high quality research can be done, and then some of that extra money used to pay for publication costs. The formatting and editing of a large scientific paper is an arduous task. They take a crappy looking Word doc file and some TiFFs and turn them into a polished looking scientific publication. They often find and fix typos, errors and grammar. It is people doing work, and they need to be paid. Maybe the best solution would be to create a publication wing at the NIH that is dedicated to publishing high quality papers as a free service for scientists. But it would take much more funding of the NIH, not less as has been proposed by the current administration.

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    5. Re:Capitalism meets science publishing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I support what you're proposing, especially eliminating anonymous reviews. I've occasionally had reviewers tell me who they were in their reviews, including reviewers who recommended rejecting my manuscripts. While I didn't entirely agree with the reviewer, the review was fair, and I gained a lot of respect for him putting his name on the decision. I'm sure there are some people who are so lacking in integrity as to retaliate against someone who gives an unfavorable review, but if everyone's name is on their reviews, it's harder to do so. The only thing I'd point out, though, is that you'd need to also eliminate anonymous reviews of proposals for funding, otherwise that would be another avenue for retaliation. I think transparency in funding decisions would beneficial, though, so I'm in favor of it.

      I'd like to do away with for-profit journal publishers altogether, and rely on non-profit professional societies to publish journals. Sure, there are quality for-profit journals, but there are also a lot of sketchy and predatory open access publishers. It's also not entirely clear to me why Beall's list of predatory journal publishers was taken offline, but I'd be surprised if he wasn't strongly pressured into doing so. While it's not possible to ban for-profit publishers, it is possible for institutions to establish policies that publications in those journals will have either no effect or a negative effect on the tenure process and on hiring decisions. I would lean toward publishing in sketchy journals being viewed as a negative, because I'd wonder why, if the work was of high quality, why it wouldn't be published in a journal that doesn't engage in poor practices. If you remove the incentive to publish in sketchy journals, those journals will eventually cease to exist.

    6. Re:Capitalism meets science publishing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only do you have to pay $2,000 to publish in those journals, but you also have to sign over the copyright to your manuscript to that journal. I understand the need to pay for copy editors and I have no problem with that. You're essentially paying someone to take ownership of your work and generate revenue (and maybe profit) from it. If not for the role of peer-reviewed publications in tenure and funding decisions, I'm not sure there'd be any incentive to publish in peer-reviewed journals. It just doesn't seem like a good deal for authors.

    7. Re:Capitalism meets science publishing by zephvark · · Score: 1

      Presumably, you have to pay to be published because no one is ever going to read a word of it. The idea of publication is that you have readers paying to read, and advertisers paying to reach the readers. It appears that you have no readers and, hence, no advertisers. Paying to be published makes about as much sense as paying to masturbate.

    8. Re:Capitalism meets science publishing by The+Real+Dr+John · · Score: 1

      You must be either kidding, or an idiot. Hopefully not the latter. Check out the Dunning-Kruger effect would you please?

      Currently journals charge people $30 to read a single research article. No one could afford to pay that kind of money when researching a topic, I might need to download 40, 50 or more articles in order to properly reference a manuscript.

      And you are right, a typical scientific article that is in a standard journal might only get a few thousand reads. I don't see how that is relevant.

      How you came up with the masturbate thing is anyone's guess, but it suggests you have sexual issues, since that was what immediately came to your mind in reference to publishing, but we will leave that aside. Only you could know why that connection came up.

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    9. Re:Capitalism meets science publishing by Trogre · · Score: 1

      I think the distinguishing feature is that those top tier journals do print retractions when serious problems are found.

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    10. Re:Capitalism meets science publishing by The+Real+Dr+John · · Score: 1

      Almost all journals that are published on citation sources like PubMed print retractions when a major issue comes up with a published paper. Beall's List used to keep track of publishers that have low standards and publish anything if they get paid, but that now appears to have shut down.

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  7. Bogus stunt on bogus journals. by hey! · · Score: 2

    Global Journal of Addiction & Rehabilitation Medicine is published by Juniper Publishers, and Psychiatry and Mental Disorders is published by Austin Publishing, both on Beall's infamous list of predatory publishers.

    If you don't know what a predatory publisher or journal is, it's basically a scheme to monetize the publication of fake or unpublishably bad science. Say you want to publish your vaccines cause autism paper; you pay a predatory journal a fee and they put your paper in the journal. To a layman who doesn't know what the real journals in the field, it looks indistinguishable from a genuine publication.

    Bogus editorial boards are one of the key tipoffs that a journal is predatory. It's a hell of a lot of work to be on the editorial board of a real journal, and it's not easy to get invited to join the board of Nature or The New England Journal of Medicine. But if you look at the boards of predatory journals their editors are often on a ridiculous number of boards, more than a human being could handle.

    Now if this guy got his dog on the editorial board of Lancet, that'd be stop the presses news: the sky would indeed be falling. But bogus is what bogus journals are in the business of.

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  8. It's not a big deal by Required+Snark · · Score: 1, Funny
    The White House is run by rabid weasels.

    That's a big deal.

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    1. Re:It's not a big deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The White House is run by rabid weasels.

      Enough with the slandering of weasels already!

  9. Main job of teachers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Silly me - I thought the main job of teachers was to teach. But apparently their main job is to write papers that are published, so that they can pad their resume.

  10. Phew by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I panicked for a second, I thought it said WOG.

  11. I'm not clear on this.... by mark-t · · Score: 4, Funny

    The professor says he feels sorry for one researcher who recently submitted a paper about how to treat sheath tumors, because "the journal has sent it to a dog to review."

    Why? How bad was the dog's criticisms of the paper?

    1. Re:I'm not clear on this.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ruff!

    2. Re:I'm not clear on this.... by mccalli · · Score: 1

      It was rabid.

    3. Re:I'm not clear on this.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why I'll tell you why!
      I submitted my paper and all I got back was my own paper with what looked like spit all over it.
      How on EARTH the envelope got here I do not know.
      Maybe I should start a study on it.
      This time I will send it to a legitimate researcher!

    4. Re:I'm not clear on this.... by Subm · · Score: 1

      > > The professor says he feels sorry for one researcher who recently submitted a paper about how to treat sheath tumors, because "the journal has sent it to a dog to review."

      > Why? How bad was the dog's criticisms of the paper?

      She ate it.

    5. Re:I'm not clear on this.... by cashman73 · · Score: 1
      Why? How bad was the dog's criticisms of the paper?

      Let's just say that this proves that reviewer 2 actually is a bitch.

  12. Kenji was first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kenji Watts was the first afaik. Kenji joined the Union of Concerned scientists in Oct 2011?

    He almost went to the "March for Scientific Consensus" too:
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/01/30/help-send-kenji-to-the-scientists-march-on-washington-event/

  13. Main job of coders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought the main job of coders was to code. But apparently their main job is to fork projects that are popular, so that they can pad their profile.

    1. Re:Main job of coders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Writing their own projects from scratch, instead of forking existing projects, would show more creativity.

  14. SJWs are livid about this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do these journals have a dog on their editorial board, but no cats? This is yet another example of the canocentric world that had to be changed.

    1. Re: SJWs are livid about this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      They won't rest until the boards all have at least one transgender ferret of color.

    2. Re: SJWs are livid about this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah yes, more strawmen against imaginary SJW arguments that were never put forth except by RWNJs.

    3. Re: SJWs are livid about this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The preferred term is "strawpeople", you paternalistic clod.

    4. Re: SJWs are livid about this by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 0

      Exclusionary against both dogs and cats. "Strawbeings", please.

    5. Re: SJWs are livid about this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Received word that scarecrows are triggered by thought of strawmen/strawbeings getting torn down. We're going to have a meeting in the safe space tomorrow morning to discuss less mannequinophobic alternatives.

    6. Re: SJWs are livid about this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My scarecrow can't make it to the meeting. He has agoraphobia and won't leave the barn.

    7. Re:SJWs are livid about this by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      Why do these journals have a dog on their editorial board, but no cats? This is yet another example of the canocentric world that had to be changed.

      Cats may not be on editorial boards (yet) but at least one cat is a published author. In Physical Review Letters, no less.

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  15. So, is that a good or bad thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did the dog improve the overall quality of the reviews?

    Dogs do sometimes have common sense which humans lack.

  16. The dog is an obvious choice by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

    She was hired for her expertise in detection of trace compounds in gaseous media. Bonus: as a Staffordshire terrier, she could defend herself easily at conferences.

  17. Here It's Pay to Lose by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 2

    Pay for the most expensive school, then load your CV with pay to publish articles, and eventually you will get grants and "win"!

    The first assumption is only valid in the US. Top-ranked universities in many countries outside the US are generally no more expensive for national students than any other university (in the UK they even used to be free). They are very selective on grades to get in though but that is something which costs you time and effort to acquire.

    Secondly, any institute who accepts this pay-to-publish articles in dodgy, predatory journals in the CV of a prospective faculty hire is not doing their job. As someone who has sat on several faculty hiring committees, we don't just look at the number of papers published but where they have published and what they are about. Serious candidates need to have publications in journals that those in the field know about and have a good impact factor and the area experts generally read a few of the papers. Having a large number of papers in a dodgy, predatory journal will kill any chance of being hired.

    That's one of the nasty things about this. They target those hoping for an academic position but who are unlikely to get one (otherwise they would not need to publish in these predatory journals). These publishers fleece them for money that people at this stage of their careers don't really have and then give them something which is likely to harm whatever chances they have of a permanent job. That's the best case scenario - if they actually managed to persuade a youg, but naive, researcher with decent results to publish with them it would actively harm their careers because it would probably be discounted as a worthless, vanity paper.

    1. Re:Here It's Pay to Lose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Top-ranked universities in many countries outside the US are generally no more expensive for national students than any other university (in the UK they even used to be free).

      Oh, but in the UK you had to go through an expensive school to have a decent chance to get into that very good university. Last I checked, Oxbridge was about 50% ex-private school, while about 5% of the population go to private school. So the rule still applies - the discrimination just begins even earlier.

      If Thatcher++ reinstantiates grammar schools, there'll be an even earlier filter for those whose parents cannot afford private schooling.

      Britain's very efficient with its classism. And I say this as a boarder at a £30k/year public school who then went up to Balliol, which is mostly for Hooray Henries plus the occasional very hardy scholar.

    2. Re:Here It's Pay to Lose by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure how applicable most of this is outside of the UK. In the UK, departments are ranked by the REF and previously by the RAE, which looks at roughly one 'output' (typically a publication) per year per academic. Publishing a lot of different things doesn't help you, publishing one thing in a top venue does. I'm not aware of any other country that uses a similar system.

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    3. Re:Here It's Pay to Lose by tempmpi · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Serious candidates need to have publications in journals that those in the field know about and have a good impact factor and the area experts generally read a few of the papers. Having a large number of papers in a dodgy, predatory journal will kill any chance of being hired.

      I would even go further: A single paper in a dodgy journal on your CV can easily kill your career in science. It is a red flag that shows, that you lack one of the most basic skills any researcher should have. You show that you are unable to tell the difference between a real and a predatory journal and often it even shows that even your advisor was unable to do so. A PhD from a clueless advisor is almost worthless.
      Quantity over quality is not a valid excuse. There are plenty of non-predatory, real lower rank conferences that will happily publish anything with only the slightest bit of scientific value.

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    4. Re:Here It's Pay to Lose by stratzvyda · · Score: 0

      The key is to find real lower rank conferences in exotic locations. Definitely abused that for free vacations back when i was a grad student, your tax dollars at work.

  18. lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and you wonder why nobody takes science seriously anymore...

    can't figure it you can you...

    sad...

  19. The key is knowing a dog is on the panel by Snotnose · · Score: 1

    Find the iffy journals, submit a couple of fabricated papers, bingo! A 50+ y/o software engineer might get a new job.

  20. Oblig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In online academic journals, nobody knows you're a dog.

  21. Not True for Cambridge by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    Last I checked, Oxbridge was about 50% ex-private school

    This is certainly not true for Cambridge. The year I went there (well over 20 years ago) was the first year that those of us from state schools were in the majority and it's now ~62% and there are 8 institutes with a higher percentage of private school intake than Cambridge. Even Oxford has been dragged kicking and screaming into the 20th century and its intake is now over 50% from state schools.

    So yes, private school gives you an advantage but it's the typical advantage of wealth: it makes things easier to achieve. So long as the advantage of wealth can be matched by additional hard work and effort on the part of those of us with less money then I've no problem with it. That certainly seems to be the case in the UK and Canada...and I say that as someone who went through a comprehensive state school and still managed to get into Cambridge and then academia.

  22. hot air bud by stratzvyda · · Score: 0

    There's no rule on the books saying a dog can't be on the editorial board.

  23. corporate dog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey, my dog is the CEO of our company. Canine Entertainment Officer that is...

  24. Medical Journals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    are not science journals. Medicine is not a real science, neither is psychology or any of the humanities. They can't or don't use the scientific method.

  25. I blame Apple and Microsoft... by denzacar · · Score: 1

    It's their fault.
    They're the ones responsible cause they let all the dogs out on the internet.

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  26. could be worse by drolli · · Score: 1

    at least the dog wont be bribed....

  27. How does the dog compare to her replacement? by Subm · · Score: 0

    How does the dog compare to her replacement?

    Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised if she is doing a better job than the human she replaced.

    (I read the article to check if the dog was male or female to get the gender right, but held back replacing "dog" with "bitch," which would be more accurate. I recommend rereading this entire thread, replacing "dog" with "bitch" for a more entertaining and still PC read).

  28. A view from the "successful" PhD trenches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I opted to not pursue a doctorate because of all the politics and back stabbing.

    It's nothing to be ashamed of. It's too hard for most people.

    As the holder of a "big name brand" STEM PhD, I'll assure you that a decline decision is not just sour grapes. The process is much more like Survivor Island" than a meritocracy. I knew extremely bright students who washed out, and very mediocre ones who made it. I told a friend that I fantasized about successfully defending my dissertation, getting everything signed, and then just not bothering to turn in the paperwork. He understood perfectly. I didn't attend graduation ceremonies.

  29. An animal on a governing board by mi · · Score: 1

    Are any of the dogs named "Incitatus", by chance?

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  30. Evolutionary Peer-review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    During these times of publication deluge, the value of introducing random factors to cull the population can't be understated.

  31. Blacklists? by rkordmaa · · Score: 1

    I'm not quite getting it why these dodgy journals keep being a problem. Why aren't there people keeping blacklists, or setting up some rating system? Publish in one of them an nobody will take you seriously any more. Cite a paper that has been published in one of them and your own paper is automatically assumed to be garbage quality. Soon enough nobody will feed money to these junk journals and they will die out with a whimper.

    1. Re:Blacklists? by stratzvyda · · Score: 0

      Because most HR departments are lazy and just tick off boxes without checking anything. This even happens at prestigious institutions, dean of admissions at MIT had no credentials and worked there for 28 years. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04...

    2. Re:Blacklists? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...Shouldn't that be "I'm not quite getting it why these doggy journals....."

  32. Obviously... by Bruno+Braganca · · Score: 1

    F.D.C Willard sends regards...

  33. Repeat by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

    In the Star Trek movie series, it was announced that James T. Kirk cheated on the Kobayashi Maru test, and undefeatable program to teach learners about the experience of failure in a situation where they couldn't defeat the enemy and win.
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    Now the relation to this story; it effing worked, didn't it? Now people are talking about it and even Slashdot has a post on it. Not only did he succeed, but now the "free advertising" has more people reading his initial work that wouldn't have even known it existed before. He succeeded. Bitch all you want, but it worked. The more you bitch, the more attention it'll get. See: Adolf Hitler, Julius Caesar, George Washington, Charles Manson, etc. The more you talk about his work and him, the longer his legacy will continue.