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Leaked 'Standing Rock' Documents Reveal Invasive Counterterrorism Measures (theintercept.com)

An anonymous reader writes: "A shadowy international mercenary and security firm known as TigerSwan targeted the movement opposed to the Dakota Access Pipeline with military-style counterterrorism measures," reports The Intercept, decrying "the fusion of public and private intelligence operations." Saying the private firm started as a war-on-terror contractor for the U.S. military and State Department, the site details "sweeping and invasive" surveillance of protesters, citing over 100 documents leaked by one of the firm's contractors.

The documents show TigerSwan even havested information about the protesters from social media, and "provide extensive evidence of aerial surveillance and radio eavesdropping, as well as infiltration of camps and activist circles... The leaked materials not only highlight TigerSwan's militaristic approach to protecting its client's interests but also the company's profit-driven imperative to portray the nonviolent water protector movement as unpredictable and menacing enough to justify the continued need for extraordinary security measures... Internal TigerSwan communications describe the movement as 'an ideologically driven insurgency with a strong religious component' and compare the anti-pipeline water protectors to jihadist fighters."

The Intercept reports that recently "the company's role has expanded to include the surveillance of activist networks marginally related to the pipeline, with TigerSwan agents monitoring 'anti-Trump' protests from Chicago to Washington, D.C., as well as warning its client of growing dissent around other pipelines across the country." They also report that TigerSwan "has operated without a license in North Dakota for the entirety of the pipeline security operation."

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  1. Priorities by Pikoro · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And this is legal how? Yet, don't copy that floppy or you'll get 10 years in a FPMITA prison.

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    1. Re: Priorities by quonset · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Many of the protesters, like my roommate, were paid

      Of course they were. And Santa Claus helped as well since it's his off season.

      This is like listening to RT or the lies coming out of Putin's mouth. Any time anyone disagrees with the government confiscating people's lands they're suddenly "subversive" or an "NGO" whose sole job is to take down the government.

      The amount of disinformation is staggering and the worst part is the uneducated deplorables who voted for the con artist believe it.

    2. Re: Priorities by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      It's not about who was paid, but about the actions being perpetrated. Did the protestors engage in anything illegal? What about TigerSwan?

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    3. Re: Priorities by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Informative

      Did the protestors engage in anything illegal?

      Yes. We don't even have to get into the gigantic mountain of trash they left once they weather turned and they went home. They trespassed repeatedly, blocked public roads - plenty of illegal things. But because they were well funded and backed by know-nothing celebrities, the usual get-yourself-arrested stuff wasn't worth the trouble to prosecute. It was obvious they were going to pull an Occupy Everything and wander off when it became inconvenient to stay. But other people still had to spend weeks cleaning up after them and trucking off their trash and abandoned dogs.

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    4. Re: Priorities by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That sounds a lot like what we call "public insubordination" around here, nothing terrible. Don't get me wrong, I don't know anything about the rights and wrongs around this particular pipeline, but in case of local protests against infrastructural projects I almost invariably find myself opposed to the protestors after weighing the pros and cons. Not a fan of tree-huggers... especially "professional" ones. But it sure sounds like whatever TigerSwan got up to is a real concern for any liberty-minded citizen, even if what they did turns out to be technically legal, and even if they happen to be on the right side of this issue.

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    5. Re: Priorities by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They trespassed repeatedly, blocked public roads - plenty of illegal things.

      It's all their land.

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    6. Re: Priorities by dbIII · · Score: 5, Insightful

      gigantic mountain of trash ... trespassed

      Ah - then unconstitutional search and seizure is fully justified in protecting the motherland komrade - carry on.

    7. Re: Priorities by interkin3tic · · Score: 5, Funny

      Citation needed, because my roommate says no they weren't paid. He also says your roommate was paid to do a cheap smear job on people who legitimately were upset about climate change and polluting the water of an Indian reservation. He is currently fighting your roommate and your roommate is crying and pissing his pants and is sincerely sorry he was such a douchebag. However both our roommates know your roommate is still a douchebag and will probably go right back to spreading misinformation for the right wing.

      Source: my other roommate says so.

    8. Re: Priorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, actually, the ACLU has fought for the KKK to get parade permits.

      The ACLU should fight for American Civil Liberties. It is in the name. Their work is even more precious now than ever. Civil liberties does not mean just protecting causes you like.

      Where Trump and his ilk can never ever be forgiven is not a freedom of speech or protest issue. He has the freedom of speech. His supporters have the right to protest and all the rest. We dare not take either away.

      What can not and must not ever be forgiven is the attack on truth and the press and all rational voices of reason. To Trump nothing matters but winning. How doesn't matter. The subject matter doesn't matter. Do you think he cares about health care, that it is the cause of his life? Please, he doesn't appear to care at all beyond using it as a piggy bank to finance tax cuts that likely benefit himself disproportionately.

      He manipulated the media to keep their eyes on him. He treated his much more qualified opponents like children by calling them childish names, and wouldn't you know it, I think almost every attack he made was something he himself was guilty of. Lying Ted. Crooked Hillary. He frequently and repeatedly accused experts of being complete and total morons, while saying only he knew the secret plan, and people bought it and still buy it. Hell a guy just body slammed a reporter and many of Trump's supporters think that is just and right.

      Many seek the Road Map to Peace for the Israel Palestine conflict, but make no mistake people, with Trump we have our own Journey and I rather fear it will be more like a Nature Trail to Hell. Trump's bravado has already failed on North Korea, and if anything actually accelerated their efforts. That alone is an almost unsolvable problem. Bravado won't fix it. Our invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan probably precipitated their faster development. A military solution might be required. The key is to somehow make China comfortable with a reunited Korea and then maybe announce a plan to take back the land over a period of 30 years or something and I have no idea how to do that. If you could manage that, then If every move was careful, and you didn't threaten North Korea's current leaders you might survive a game of brinkmanship, maybe, but I sure as hell would not want a President Trump involved in such a mess. I'd rather have any of the other republicans first, well except Cruz. Clinton would also have worked.

      Seriously, problems on the scale of North Korea are what our president _Must_ handle, and this guy just isn't qualified or capable. Twitter seems the extent of his talent. You can't just make a deal with North Korea since they are not trustworthly, or at the very least any deal must be heavy on the verify.

      Hell, even if the US could make a deal with North Korea or any part of the world, it is nearly impossible now that we have Don the Con as president. Seriously, unless it is backed up with legislation from the Congress, who is going to trust us? One of the main German newspapers is calling for his impeachment and the new leader of the free world Angela Merkel has just said he can't be trusted.

      The _only_ chance he has to salvage his presidency is to somehow have some epiphany, then turn over his taxes and all the rest and start cooperating with the investigations fully. If he did that and just stopped lying, the American people would probably forgive him and reelect him. We are stupid like that.

    9. Re: Priorities by youngone · · Score: 5, Informative
      This kind of thing has been SOP for the US Government for a very long time, after all, it's how Pinkerton got going.

      Anytime Americans have taken a stance that conflicts with the status quo, there has been violence:

      The Haymarket Riot is just one of many occasions the US Government in it's many forms has used violence against workers.

    10. Re: Priorities by Pseudonym · · Score: 5, Informative

      In case anyone didn't read that story: It doesn't claim that "many of the protesters were proven to be paid". It claims that the organisers accepted donations.

      Professional organisation is completely normal on all sides of politics. People are paid to organise both pro-Trump and anti-Trump rallies because they are complex events which require professional expertise to pull off successfully. This is especially true if you're doing it 100% legally, where there are regulations and permits to take care of. As protests scale up, you need people who know what they are doing. That's the nature of the beast.

      This is not even remotely the same thing as paying people just to show up.

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    11. Re: Priorities by youngone · · Score: 2
      Not a bad comment A/C, except for the middle bit about North Korea and Palestine.

      The fact that you think a military solution might be the answer in North Korea says a lot about the US attitude towards the rest of the world. There is no way China would allow any of that.

      You are completely right about how Trump got himself elected. The rest of the world is still wondering how that could have happened.

    12. Re: Priorities by ooloorie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ah - then unconstitutional search and seizure is fully justified in protecting the motherland komrade - carry on.

      TFA is about a private company. Private companies cannot engage in "unconstitutional search and seizure" because they can't engage in "search and seizure" at all; that's a right reserved to the government.

      Private companies do have a constitutional right to "harvest information about the protesters from social media", engage in "aerial surveillance and radio eavesdropping", and "infiltrate camps and activist circles" (as long as they don't violate private property rights or break into computer systems illegally).

      Those are rights that we have because we live in a free society. People like you have not yet succeeded turning the US into a totalitarian state, much as you may want to, "komrade".

    13. Re: Priorities by dbIII · · Score: 2

      Being harrassed by Pinkertons who are employed to fight free speech doesn't sound very free to me.

    14. Re: Priorities by shilly · · Score: 2

      Before you go lecturing other people, you might want to be more careful with your language. Governments don't have rights, they have *powers*. It is humans that have rights.

    15. Re: Priorities by bickerdyke · · Score: 2

      And still the last commenter didn't suggest that you should listen to anything RT is "reporting".

      Propagands doesn't become true just because it supports your viewpoint. And even if some propaganda outlet reports something that is true, that doesn't make them a credible source for it.

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    16. Re:Priorities by dwillden · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's legal because TigerSwan was not operating on behalf of the government. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights restrict the actions of the government and of private companies and individuals acting on behalf of the government.

      TigerSwan was acting on behalf of the Pipeline company, which having invested large sums and built nearly the entire pipeline before this even became an issue, had a right to try to protect their operations and investment from protestors trying to damage their operations and equipment. TigerSwan broke no laws in their collection of information about potential threats to their employer's equipment, personnel and operations.

      Such a security company would of course be in contact with police agencies. I would be more concerned had they been operating without such contacts. The fact that they are passing information about what they are observing and their actions, indicates that they were concerned about not stepping across the line into illegal actions.

      If someone can point to documents showing where the government agencies (local, state or federal) tasked them to collect such information then we have crossed into illegal actions. But all this "report" states is that they coordinated with law enforcement which means they provided information about what they were doing and seeing. Unless tasked to collect the information (thus making them an agent of the government) they are free to collect any information they so choose (as long as the collection method is not illegal but this article gave no indication of such).

      Disagreeing with the pipeline does not make the pipeline company, or it's security company lawbreakers. Before you claim illegal or unconstitutional activities, you must know what qualifies as such.

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    17. Re: Priorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh gosh, to mean the left is so terrible as to require open and public documentation of who is seeking to influence the government?

      And then they expect to have the right to comment, criticize, and reject other people whose actions they find objectionable? My word, the horror.

      Why, it is just like the boycott of South Africa over apartheid. Truly, the left is an abomination.

      Of course, the fact that the hypocritical right calls for the firing or arrest of people who disagree with their views, tends to spoil your moral indignation. I've even heard a lot of Trump supporters say that people who oppose him should be deported.

      Yammer all you want, you are just a phony.

    18. Re: Priorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >> Did the protestors engage in anything illegal?
      >
      > Yes.

      So did Rosa Parks.

      Fuckwit.

    19. Re: Priorities by Entrope · · Score: 2

      The things you mentioned are mechanisms to stop a prosecution. They are not reasons or legal principles to do so. A defendant can't appear in court and demand nolle prosequi. A defendant (or counsel) who even mentioned jury nullification in court would be found in contempt. A defendant moving for judicial dismissal would be told to explain why such dismissal is proper and required.

    20. Re: Priorities by dwillden · · Score: 2

      No it isn't. The pipeline is running through private land, not the reservation. The encampments were illegal invasion of private property, resulted in killing a large number of cattle.

      None of this occurred on tribal lands. It all occurred on Public roads through privately owned farmlands.

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    21. Re: Priorities by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Informative

      No it isn't. The pipeline is running through private land, not the reservation.

      Memorial Day is a good day to learn something new.

      http://inter-american-law-revi...

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    22. Re:Priorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's legal because TigerSwan was not operating on behalf of the government. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights restrict the actions of the government and of private companies and individuals acting on behalf of the government.

      Absolutely false: nothing in the Bill of Rights prevents the application of fundamental rights against private entities. Claims to the contrary are pure myth. Certain specific items, such as the 1st Amendment, are limited to specific government entities - though even in these cases the 14th Amendment muddies the waters.

      The open-ended items such as the 9th Amendment (unspecified rights retained by the people) and the the 10th Amendment (the part about unspecified rights reserved to the people) are not at all limited to government. One of the most important rights arising here is the right to ethical practice of law, which certainly limits private entities - and nothing prevents the assertion of other rights, such as the right to ethics in business, or the right to privacy with respect to business activities as well as government.

      The Founding Fathers were well aware of the danger posed by private entities to liberty: it was a very important part of the Roman history they studied, and also part of their own lives in the form of companies such as the East India Company.

    23. Re: Priorities by jvanber · · Score: 2

      I see, you're going to completely discount the possibility that protesters were paid.

      So, it's feasible that the company that has an interest in a multi-billion dollar pipeline hire a para-military organization to demonize protests, but it's not feasible that an even richer company, that currently owns the railroad that presently carries by freight all of the oil over the very same reservation, organize a public-opinion propaganda machine to protect their interest in profits under the auspices of "saving the reservation."

      It's a chess-game of billionaires, so picking a side based on your ideals and beating your chest about it just shows tremendous naiveté. So, which group of billionaires are you rooting for, again?

    24. Re: Priorities by shilly · · Score: 2

      When "we" use the word "rights" about governments, we are being "stupid dickheads who fail to understand basic political concepts", even if we can find "historical precedent" in the words of "slave-owning racist assholes from the Civil War era" or make spurious and completely circular distinctions between "power being about the limits of government power, whereas rights are about government powers cf another body". I hope that clears things up for you.

    25. Re: Priorities by david_thornley · · Score: 2

      There are illegal actions that will not result in convictions for various reasons. Among those are refusal to prosecute, insufficient evidence, and sympathetic judges and juries. Speeding to the hospital is illegal and frequently dangerous. Breaking into houses is criminal, but in practice there will be no prosecution unless the homeowner wants it. People who took marijuana for the best of reasons have wound up behind bars, because it's illegal.

      Illegal actions can be extremely praiseworthy, but they're still illegal.

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  2. Terrorists by AK+Marc · · Score: 5, Informative

    The definition of "terrorist" is "anyone you don't like". And private contractors will turn people into proven terrorists, for a fee. Gotta love the free market.

  3. Activists as jihadists by manu0601 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Considering activists as jihadists is the first step. Then you consider jihadists have been considered illegal fighters (a term invented to spare international laws on war), and you can send an activist straight to Guantanamo. Brilliant.

    1. Re:Activists as jihadists by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Where does this come from? What made you think the GP thinks that Obama is any better than any of the other assholes that recently doubled as president of the US?

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  4. Words fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They are comparing murderers who kill in the name of God to peaceful people who want to save their history, and more importantly, their watershed. What a bunch of follow-the-money bullshit.

  5. Re:Link for standing rock pollution by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They left their tents and gear behind (and yes some trash) because they were arrested. That doesn't make them bad hippies.

  6. Re:Not Counterterrorism, Counter-Espionage... by Darinbob · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The pipeline people were paid by the corporations anyway. None of the oil goes to America anyway, it's being refined and sent to China. Whining about paid protesters while ignoring the paid mercenaries hired by corporations seems like a stretch.

  7. Oil companies have lots of money by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wish the builders of other infrastructure could afford a counter protest force like this one. We could get that telescope built on Maunakea, get some new-generation nuclear plants started if we wished to get serious about carbon, and California could finally finish its bullet train.

  8. Even harvesting from social media?? by will_die · · Score: 2

    That is shocking and would not be expected.
    Who would of thought that a group tracking the actions of another group would stoop to harvesting information about them from social media.
    Then to follow that up they used the term "militaristic" to describe them collecting data. So they started to attack them?
    Overall rather bias article to describe one group that was tracking the actions of another group.

  9. If you want an end to this by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Take care of the poor. Outside of the occasional loon organized terror only works because we've got millions (billions?) that lack food security. Said it before, will probably say it again: you abandon your poor at your peril.

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  10. Super Shadowy by JBMcB · · Score: 3, Informative

    All hush-hush top secret shadow organizations have a web site.

    http://www.tigerswan.com/

    And twitter feed.

    https://twitter.com/TigerSwan

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  11. Re:Wrong, they left many other things behind - inc by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 2

    Let's say that all of that were true, what's your argument? That they don't deserve clean water because they litter? Help me understand that position.

  12. Pinkertons, Debs, and the Unions by goombah99 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Boy this is Deja Vu. It's exactly what happened with the Unions, the Pinkerton Detective agency and the tacit support of the US government in the early part of last century. Look up Eugene Debs in Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... He helped form the first nation wide trade union in the US (for the trains). And when they struck the Pullman company arranged with the complicity of the US govt to acquire the US mail contract making it a federal crime not to couple pulman cars to trains. Along the way someone set off a bomb (probably the pinkertons to frame the union strikers) and the entire union leadership was imprisoned. there's a nice picture of them all in their sunday best taken together in jail on the wikipedia site. (ironically in Woodstock, a place more known for 60s rock concerts now) . While in prison together Debs started reading various socialist literature and when they were release formed the Socialist party in the USA. He ran for president several times getting millions of votes (6% of the popular vote). He became famous for a stump speech saying no working class person should be going to fight in World War II because it's just a richmans war making the munitions makers richer and killing the poor. He was arrested for treason and sedition, sentenced to 10 years in prison, stripped of his own right to vote, and still ran for president (getting 3.4% of the popular vote while in his jail cell). In the court room when asked to recant he said

    "Your Honor, years ago I recognized my kinship with all living beings, and I made up my mind that I was not one bit better than the meanest on earth. I said then, and I say now, that while there is a lower class, I am in it, and while there is a criminal element, I am of it, and while there is a soul in prison, I am not free."

    While in prison he started the Prison Reform movement, and President Harding pardoned him partly hoping to quash that. He was nominated for the Nobel peace prize for his astute portrayl of World War I as the Capitalist war.

    Nearly every use of the Sedition act has been against political prisoners and frequently for union busting.

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  13. Re:Wrong, they left many other things behind - inc by just+another+AC · · Score: 2

    Let's say that all of that were true, what's your argument? That they don't deserve clean water because they litter? Help me understand that position.

    It's pretty clear, but I'll spell it out: The protesters are not adults to be taken seriously. They can't even manage the environmental stewardship issues that are well within their control. We're certainly not going to let them impose mob rule on infrastructure projects that have passed all the required regulatory approvals.

    One more time... what's your argument? That because they are [insert literally anything here], that in a first world democratic nation they do not deserve a basic survival commodity of clean water?

    So what else don't they deserve? Protection of the law? Freedom of speech?

    Land of the free, home of the [people I approve of]

  14. Re:Not Counterterrorism, Counter-Espionage... by sjames · · Score: 3, Informative

    You didn't do the math, did you. The tribal council accepted $375,000. Assuming they passed 100% on to the protesters, that comes to the lordly sum of $125 each. Wow, they must be living large now in their new Lambos.

  15. Stop virtue signalling by AHuxley · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When people protested in East Germany, people who risked at lot by using a television camera did not get caught.

    Dont use your own equipment. If your wealthy enough to be able to afford to protest all day, buy an older weather sealed dslr camera and lens. No need for in camera wifi. Use the card to get your files to a computer of editing and upload later.
    Ensure the serial number in the camera is not linked to your name with every file uploaded or created.
    Take some images and video of the protest. Remove any camera serial numbers in the files, edit, add a voice over and your groups logo and branding, compress, then upload it using some existing network and on a computer that won't be used later.
    Do not take a "computer" thats "fast" or "sealed against the weather" from protest to protest. Dont use wifi or networking from your computer like device.
    Sneaker net your video file to a final separate, cheap device just for fast networking.

    All MAC and any other unique details about all networks will be collected on.
    Think about what device connects to that final network to send a file to the world. A random strangers offer of a free network, computer help could be an undercover contractor or police wanting to get more direct access to your hardware and software, OS.
    Protect your devices and equipment from digital tracking and "new" best friends or "smart" friendly strangers with free offers of help.
    Police and contractors can be anyone, thats why they are doing undercover work in protests. Some are past protesters who had to make a deal with the police to stay free. They have to collect it all and work very hard at making new friends.
    While a protester might have been taking years of French or arts at some liberal university, police and contractors learned how to become "protesters" over the years.
    The undercover officers offers will be for device access to help with "media" or "editing"

    Every face at a protest will be stored for facial recognition. Any and all networks or networked devices will be collected on.
    Read up on what the NSA, GCHQ, CIA and other 5 eye nations do when they "collect it all".
    The same ability is now on the open market at a low cost for a city, state or contractor. Dont trust any hardware, software or OS thats been near a protest after a protest.
    Anyone could have added code, altered the device, accessed the OS or collected its network details.
    Ensure the only collection a city or federal gov or its contractors can do is facial recognition. Keep your hardware and software way from their networks.
    A streaming cell phone is great for recoding an event and not having data erased on site but it comes with the cost of collection and device or OS alteration.
    Dont bring malware pushed down a network home after a protest. If your security aware, use dedicated devices as bait and see if any devices are altered. Study bait hardware later under Tempest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... conditions but don't allow your own deices to get altered to test for such gov/police/contractor pushed malware.

    The final thing to consider is the new stranger in your group. Get them talking about their past and get their image and see what different free and other image search products find online.
    City or state contractors might not have the skills to remove all past images or their story will not mach a few traces found online.
    Federal and contractors working undercover have the ability to rewrite online social media so their undercover "story" will mach perfectly to any and all online data sets that can be searched for.
    If your protest group has some international funding, take the image to any of the big national private detective groups in the USA.
    Their social media databases are long term, static, always updating and do not get altered like the online consumer networks.
    They can rewind most accounts to creation and see ho

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  16. social justice through private charity by epine · · Score: 2

    One more thing about the money angle.

    Over the years, I've listened to most of the EconTalk back catalog. I agree with Russ Roberts about 60% of the time, yet I have some pretty strong disagreements in the other 40%.

    Part of his standard spiel about diminishing the role of government in all practical venues is his model of private charity. I just found this now, but it turns out he's actually written a paper on the subject:

    A Positive Model of Private Charity and Public Transfers

    The whole point of relying less on government to adjudicate public life is that every side of the argument can stump up their own pocket books, as they see fit as private citizens. My own gut instinct is that this would devolve into an extremely capricious network of civic concern and attention, by the standard mechanism of charismatic megafauna getting all the grease.

    So if these protesters (or some subset thereof) turn out to have deep pockets behind them, that actually means, in certain well-established strands of orthodox libertarian theory, that they are in good standing with the giant neoliberal program of dragging big government into a small bathtub, and it would be entirely their own business how they raise their protest stake. Because under Libertarianism, all dollars are created equal, and from this assumption (and possibly also God) unencumbered moral equilibrium shall automatically flow.

    Nevertheless, suck-and-blow types somehow always seem to show up with a steady supply of nefarious labels concerning the hidden ka-ching. The standard smoke machine demands this narrative. (Business As Usual wouldn't much mind if the protesters did conform to their established narrative lot of being eternally impoverished and poorly organized, so it wins either way.)

    I actually prefer government as a player in many issues, because it aims (until corrupted) to be somewhat transparent (no-one ever accused government of getting anything exactly right, which I regard as a false standard, because no-one ever accused any human system of getting anything exactly right, modulo "law of the jungle, the losers can suck it"; government is simply better at counting up losers than most private-sector alternatives).

    I guess many people out there figure that if America went much further toward the Libertarian end of the spectrum, we'd all be united in the Church of the Profit Motive, and this kind of dispute simply wouldn't transpire among gentlemen, and we would not be constantly up to our ankles in dark money vs. deep money shit storms. Well, I'm not personally signing up to test drive that experimental fork in the road. I'm not saying it couldn't possibly work. The world is a complicated place. But I'd rather not risk my own skin to that experiment.

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    Back in 2014 the town of Seneca, Nebraska was deeply divided. How divided? They were so fed up with each other that some citizens began circulating a petition that proposed a radical solution. If a majority wanted to they'd self-destruct, end the town, and wipe their community off the map.

    Bike shed? Or canary in the coal mine?

    In this instance, it's hard to say. The politics of division have this strange, new, frightening face.

  17. Re:Who cares? by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    Yeah, how dare they speak their mind? If we don't stop them right here, next they'll even demand the right to peacefully assemble, and what we got then may not be stoppable anymore.

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