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Putin Hints At US Election Meddling By 'Patriotically Minded' Russians (nytimes.com)
Two anonymous readers share a report: Shifting from his previous blanket denials, President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia said on Thursday that "patriotically minded" private Russian hackers could have been involved in cyberattacks last year to help the presidential campaign of Donald J. Trump (Editor's note: the link could be paywalled; alternative source). While Mr. Putin continued to deny any state role, his comments to reporters in St. Petersburg were a departure from the Kremlin's previous position: that Russia had played no role whatsoever in the hacking of the Democratic National Committee and that, after Mr. Trump's victory, the country had become the victim of anti-Russia hysteria among crestfallen Democrats. Raising the possibility of attacks by what he portrayed as free-spirited Russian patriots, Mr. Putin said that hackers "are like artists" who choose their targets depending how they feel "when they wake up in the morning."
Oh, come on. Nobody is fooled by this, are you? Of course when Putin gave his cyberwarfare people their marching orders, they all knew that if caught they'd be disavowed by the State. Standard operating procedure. Every nation on the planet that has covert intelligence organizations does the same exact thing. Nothing to see here..
And yet it's here, on the front page of Slashdot. Who is meddling with whom?
Can they all get the eff off of slashdot now?
let's see...
"President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia said on Thursday that "patriotically minded" private Russian hackers could have been involved in cyberattacks last year to help the presidential campaign of Donald J. Trump"
"While Mr. Putin continued to deny any state role (...)that Russia had played no role whatsoever in the hacking of the Democratic National Committee"
shifting? where?
The unraveling of the denials begins. This is the exact same process Putin used when Russia stole Crimea from Ukraine. For months Putin denied Russian troops had been sent in to steal the land. Denial after denial was given.
Then, miraculously, Putin admitted he ordered Russian troops to seize the land. The excuse he used was those Russian troops were "helping" the Crimean sefl-defense forces. And by helping he means the Russian troops were doing the dirty work.
So now the excuse of "patriotic" Russians doing the hacking is being tossed out. What patriotism? Is he now admitting they were helping Trump win the election? That would be an interesting admission since he's denied any Russian meddling in the election despite the overwhelming evidence.
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
So basically he's saying that they are the Russian version of Anonymous? No wonder why the Democrats are so pissed off.
Beware of Sales Reps bearing gifts.
I'm sick of watching Americans line up to enthusiastically defend or hide Russia's attack on our democracy.
You fucking traitors will have to live with your actions for the rest of your lives.
I will not forgive any of your jackasses without a full apology and acknowledgement of your treasonous behavior.
That invaded Ukraine and Georgia. Nothing to do with their government at all. Nothing.
Seriously Putin's word as a man is a joke
The attacks you say were brought on by "patriotic russians" crestfallen by the disappointed democrats who lost the election, disregards the actual timeline. The hacking occurred prior to the election. Unless more is ongoing of course. And the Democrats though Hillary was going to win by a landslide.
Even though I am a strong fiscal conservative and voted against Hillary, Russian interference in the US election process is the same as any other hacking efforts aimed with malicious intent, and is clearly illegal. You assassinate your political rivals. Neither that nor the hacking are acceptable. Open bad mouthing in the press, sure, but that's political discourse. Informed voters can evaluate the source as well as the content. The current sourceless allegations against Trump, they could just as easily be attributed to "patriotic russians" who might be disappointed about the Presidents support of Ukrainian interests. The acceptance you show for the hackers within the russia just shows that, along with your other actions, in Ukraine for example, that under Putin the russia is a rogue state that needs to be marginalized.
- Tjp
I am in wallow with my inner money grubbing capitalistic pig. ... Oink!
The only people who still believe that Putin did not try to interfere in any way with the U.S. election are the same people who believed that Clinton ran a pedophile ring from the basement of a pizza restaurant.
`Nuff said.
Exposing the misdeeds of the DNC sounds more like the work of American patriots to me.
convfefe. You know what I mean.
The Russians meddled, but Clinton was a weak candidate and easy target. All they did was nudge Clinton over the edge.
Obama would have never lost due to Russian meddling. He was a much stronger candidate with a likable personality and almost no corruption under his belt.
by Americans.
So, billionaires paid Russian hackers (at a discounted rate from American hackers, and not in danger of the FBI getting them) to get the data....
Don't you mean "the failing New York Times"? Do you not quote your own orange clown in chief? Are you an incompetently programmed bot?
Fake News? Did, or did not Putin say this?
What about the Reuters article link that was provided? Is that also fake news?
I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
The failing New York Times refuse to report the real poll numbers showing support for Trump holding steady at 102%.
Putin takes a page from Trump's book and trolls .... name your own favorite set of blathering idiots ....
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There's no even a single article in Russian about that, so the conclusion is obvious: ${subject}
You have been trolled.
Have a nice day.
DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS
That means you, New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, MSNBC, Hillary!
Can we please have a filter in the rss feed to filter all posts by msmash?
Having visited Russia and exposed to Russian culture and so on, I actually totally believe him for once!
But what is more amusing to me is how this statement is basically telling us that even Putin is scared with how horrible Trump is for the planet... ;-)
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain... time... to... die...
I mean, let's suppose that somehow, actual evidence that was somehow incontrovertible showed that there was meddling... and let's even further say that they managed to identify the people responsible, and were able to bring them to court, where they were appropriately and justly tried and sentenced for the crime.
Would that really change anything, though? I'm betting it wouldn't.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
Go a week without social media and those "news letters" that email used to call spam and realize the world will keep spinning without those influencing social Darwinism to do it for you. The world is perfectly fine because you are an accident, a byproduct of chance improving upon a series entropic moments. Without a perception for those influence, you are only left with your own reality. Just be you and do you for once and not what those that thrive off of uncertainty want you to be. I can assure you 99% of pressing matters only requires 1% to intervene.
Trump acts a lot like him, except he's a bit more amplified and a lot less polished.
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
This is just a rotation scheme. They take the US elections hacking team, which successfully disabled up to 50 percent of all voting in key counties in swing states (hint: use paper ballots, vote by mail, and non-networked optical scanners if you don't want to be hacked), and rotate them to the Ukranian, EU hacking team, while replacing the US team with the ones hacking the EU and Ukraine.
Keeps them on their toes.
No, you don't live in a Democracy.
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Most of the information revealed during the election season showed how Bernie was unfairly treated by Hillary in cahoots with the DNC.
Bernie should be more angry at Hillary and the DNC than Hillary is about the Russians.
No matter - I don't care who broke into Hillary's mail server or Podesta's emails. Hackers did not force them to write those emails.
Hillary is pissed that we found out how bad she really is.
Finally, did the Russians hack any voting machines or manipulate any vote counts? If not, then all they did was expose how shitty a candidate Hillary was.
The phrase election hacking (meddling/w.e) is agenda driven, as it implies there was tampering with the election process or results. If this is election hacking, then so is recording a private conversation and releasing it to affect results. Just because it may have affected voters minds (because it informed them) doesn't mean we need to add negative connotations to them. Let's reserve that for tampering with the actual election process.
Like stacking the deck against popular candidates so that your candidate can win.
Says a corrupt idiot
What difference does it make?
So I'm guessing the Little Green Men that invaded Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk were "patriotic" Russian holidaymakers?
Does this fuckwit think we all came down in the last shower?
and the New York Times is fake news.
Clinton lost because she sucked as a candidate. Not because of Putin or Comey or Big Foot. Stop beating a dead horse. And it's not like the US hasn't meddled in foreign elections repeatedly.
Too bad he can't be president of the US
Another anonymous reader shares, how elements within the Russian foreign intelligence services are discussing taking extreme measures against authors of fake news yourself. They are no longer discussing if, but how to do it, said a Russian by the name of Ivan, close to the cabal plotting the deaths of hundreds of American media whores.
In other news, anonymous readers shared bla bla bla
Goddamned Evidence or STFU.
Russia, Ukraine, and the rest of East Europe have been a kind of internet's wild west since the beginning of the web popularity. When credit card numbers or email account passwords are stolen by thousands or millions, chances are good that they will be traded in the murky chatrooms among those east Europeans. Russia still has the best torrent and tor sites. "Hactivism" is still a common phenomenon in Russia, just recently somebody broke into a bunch of Kremlin official email accounts and leaked their communications.
Sadly, the above post is typical of modern slashdot, where group think and unsubstantiated attacks are modded up as "smart.".
Statement 1: Weak and Ineffective US: This statement is founded on the premise that the United States is somehow weak and ineffective. There is no reasons given to back this claim, and non that could be possibly substantiated. What exactly do you suppose as made the U.S. weaker? Is it the call to increase U.S. industry by undoing horribly lopsided trade deals that drain our wealth? Is the U.S. made weaker by asking NATO members to actually contribute to their defense at a proportion to the GDP as ours? Is it made weaker by asking the press to cover both political parties with the same zeal, instead of cheerleading for one? I am confused by how weaker?
Statement 2: Illiterate President. As is well known, he has ran a successful multibillion dollar corporation. Although he did start with wealth, he increased it several times. A good analog would be Elon Musk, turning a small company Zip2 into larger ones through sales and mergers. Success at these levels is rarely the work of an illiterate. Disagreeing with someone does not make the illiterate, but it if you think it does that means you are intellectually close to one.
Furthermore, we know he graduated from Fordham and Penn with and economics degree. We do not know his GPA. In contrast, the previous president had failing grades at a private high school (read his autobiography) yet somehow got admitted to an Ivy league school, and his grades are also not known, but was not reported to be a great student. Did you hold him to the same criticism?
Alienate the press: CNN actually gave his opponent the questions for the debate. The coverage on the other networks were laughably biased, with numerous other errors and gaffs made. The press in the U.S. is no longer the press, but an arm of the democrat party. This is dangerous and tragic and should not be applauded. The press should be about uncovering truth, not suppressing it. Speaking of which... The whole Russia is blame part of this thread. Lets be clear about what happened. Hillary Clinton and the DNC conspired to fix the democrat primary. They controlled the media, the timing of events, and funding to make Berny Sanders seem like a buffoon and have no chance. In all honesty, he had drawn many of the same concussions about the system being corrupt as Mr. Trump, but offered different solutions. The press knowingly helped burry the story of the unfair primary election.
The Russian hackers helped bring to light these issues. Through them, we learned that the Sanders supporters were denied a legitimate shot. The Russians did not report anything that was untrue. Do you understand that? The Russians were the force of truth and light in this election. For that, we in the U.S. should be ashamed.
In this thread and others like it today, people are acting like the Russians made up horribly untruths and it cost Hillary the election. For some reason of nothing less than extreme stupidity, there are posters who conveniently seem to forget what the so called fake news was, and why it worked. Hillary attempted to fix the fucking election, and thankfully, despite a biased media, she got caught. The people who got cheated were angry, and did not vote. Its that simple.
So, instead of feeling this false righteousness because you hate the current president for no particularly good reason, look in the mirror. Please stop the bullshit character assassinations. Try to grow up, and hold all politicians to a high standard, instead of just one.
"Liberalism is a very noble idea, currently controlled by some very bad people. Be sure you do not get the two confused.
This is like claiming that anything that New York Times prints about China is the official position of the US State Department position. Can we stop pretending that the USSR (dissolved 25 years ago) is the same thing as RF? There is plenty of commercial interests in RF which are independent of the state. There aren't many which oppose the state (they do quash political opposition ruthlessly), but they have plenty of non-state commercial actors. If actors who are not affiliated with the Russian Federation, but who reside there happened to inject themselves into the US Democratic primaries (and that's a huge "if" with, so far, no evidence whatsoever for it), that's not "Russian" involvement. There is no Soviet Russia. People born after USSR fell apart are now old enough to have graduated college and old enough to rent a car (ie, they are over 25).
Any guest worker system is indistinguishable from indentured servitude.
Putin's saying this is explicit meddling in US domestic affairs, intended to further undermine American confidence in its electoral system. It is a comment intended to make people doubt the legitimacy of their elected government, a doubt which weakens the country.
Donald Trump is the legitimately elected President. He lacks a popular mandate but is still the legitimate president until he is removed, he resigns, he dies, or his term ends.
Yes, by all means, let's do more to secure voting from electronic attack and to recognize fake news and help people learn the difference. Let's do more to reform our electoral system so that it functions more intelligently and is better representative of the will of the people. But don't let transparent propaganda efforts distract you into undermining your own government.
Real lawyers write in C++
If a group of non-nation-state hackers were involved, the news would have been blabbed by now.
I put more time and effort into defeating liberals than I have on anything else in a long long time.
The efforts of others and myself killed Hillary's chances.
And guess what? We won by the skin of our teeth!
FIFY
I voted for Trump, but you have to understand that he won by a narrow margin in the key states he took from the blue team. While historic, this was a skin of your teeth win for him and we'd do well to remember that.
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
So, we're supposed to ignore Obama's and Clinton's helping the Russians?
We have Obama on record: ... the 1980s, they're now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because, you know, the Cold War's been over for 20 years,"
"Gov. Romney, I'm glad that you recognize that al-Qaida is a threat, because a few months ago when you were asked what's the biggest geopolitical threat facing America, you said Russia, not al-Qaida. You said Russia
Also:
In March 2012, at a summit in South Korea, Obama was caught in a "hot mic" incident. Without realizing he could be overheard, Obama told Russian President Dmitry Medvedev that he would have more ability to negotiate with the Russians about missile defense after the November election.
"On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this, this can be solved, but it’s important for him to give me space," Obama was heard telling Medvedev, apparently referring to incoming Russian president Vladimir Putin.
"Yeah, I understand," Medvedev replied.
Obama interjected, saying, "This is my last election. After my election, I have more flexibility."
Mind you, this is from a sitting President.
Then there is Hillary Clinton:
- Hillary Clinton approved the transfer of 20 percent of U.S. uranium to Russia and nine investors in the deal funneled $145 million to the Clinton Foundation.
- Bill Clinton bagged $500,000 for a Moscow speech paid for by a Kremlin-backed bank while Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State.
- Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman’s Joule energy company bagged $35 million from Putin’s Rusnano.
- Clinton Foundation chatter with State Dept. on Uranium Deal with Russia.
- Hillary Clinton hid $2.35 million in secret donations from Ian Telfer, the head of Russia’s uranium company.
All of this while Hillary Clinton was the active Secretary of State.
We know for sure that these all happened. It's undeniable. If Russia is a bad as the left claims, then why aren't they also going after Obama and Clinton?
"A plan fiendishly clever in its intricacies"- Homer Simpson
Trump won by a landslide in the electoral college. The only state that was close was Florida. It is total revisionist history to say that 2016 was a close election because it wasn't. The Democrats were so busy pandering to their base and power-leveling the popular vote, they forgot that it is the electoral college which wins elections.
Hillary Clinton has no right to complain about Russia costing her victories in states that she didn't even campaign in.
Russia interferes in the internal politics of other countries as much as the USA does.
End of story, and no one is surprised, they all thought it was common knowledge.
Like how, as a musician, I wake up every day with music in my head... but instead it's networks to compromise? Bullshit.
This is like OJ's book... "if they did do it, they were just patriotically minded citizens that weren't directed by the government and were doing whatever they might have done purely on a whim." Bullshit.
Sell your bullshit somewhere else.
On a completely unrelated note - I had to insert HTML line breaks? What in the hell kind of arcane wizardry is that? Line breaks are not sufficient?
I see my shadow changing, stretching up and over me...
Electoral college "landslide" vs popular vote loss, Trump's victory was both. The taking of the house, Senate, and both governorships are all impressive, but the popular vote indicates that Trump does not have a mandate. Now the evidence is coming in that Russians tried to influence the election(via hacking and propaganda). So if you are comfortable with winning through the weakening of our nation, great job, but you barely won and now you are paying the price for the collusion.
The Election Came Down to 77,744 Votes in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan.
That's good, because I'm royally pissed at Bernie voters. You whine and exaggerate the little bit that you were aggrieved as if it was the end of the world, playing right into Putin's hand.
The Bernie voters who didn't vote or went 3rd party are the reason we have Trump.
Funny thing is, they don't even own the consequences of their decision. Bernie bros are stupid and selfish. Their next candidate has already lost my vote.
"But we do not do this at the state level. On the contrary, we are trying to fight this in our country". Apparently deemed not worthy of quoting by the brainwashing squad.
Like the "volunteers" that invaded Ukraine
Let's say, for the sake of argument, you are correct when you claim "Hillary attempted to fix the fucking election, and thankfully, despite a biased media, she got caught. The people who got cheated were angry, and did not vote."
I'm not buying it but some might. The reason is, the Clinton campaign simply did what it took to win. Are you suggesting that Trump didn't do what it took to win? That every successful political campaign in history didn't do what it took to win?
Put all that aside and accept your premise as correct.
You are still giving support, succor and approval to the criminal act of hacking. If this hacking was state sponsored, then this act rises to the level of state aggression. It's a hostile act by a foreign state.
This is why your position fails. Also, stop acting like you care so much about the Sanders campaign. I very much doubt you care now or cared then about the Sanders campaign.
Next let's look at your dismissal of the character and governance failures of the Trump administration. By your own statements, if we were to "grow up, and hold all politicians to a high standard, instead of just one", you wouldn't dismiss criticism of Trump as a "bullshit character assassination".
Instead, you would be discussing this as "an appropriate and relevant response to Trump administration words, actions and behavior. It is important consequences for important people and important events."
Character assassination indeed! No, you are engaged in finding any excuse for irresponsible and indefensible behavior. You are an enabler for incompetence, greed and hypocrisy of the highest order.