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Anti-Aging Start-Up Is Charging Thousands of Dollars for Teen Blood (vanityfair.com)

An anonymous reader writes: A startup called Ambrosia is charging about $8,000 a pop for blood transfusions from people under 25, Jesse Karmazin said at Code Conference. Ambrosia, which buys its blood from blood banks, now has about 100 paying customers. Some are Silicon Valley technologists, like Thiel, though Karmazin stressed that tech types aren't Ambrosia's only clients, and that anyone over 35 is eligible for its transfusions. Karmazin was inspired to found Ambrosia after seeing studies researchers had done involving sewing mice together with their veins conjoined. Some aspects of aging, one 2013 study found, could be reversed when older mice get blood from younger ones, but other researchers haven't been able to replicate these results, and the benefits of parabiosis in humans remains unclear. "I think the animal and retrospective data is compelling, and I want this treatment to be available to people," Karmazin told the MIT Technology Review.

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  1. What's That Sound? by lobiusmoop · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's Bram Stoker spining is his grave.

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    1. Re:What's That Sound? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 5, Funny

      After you get a transfusion, you sparkle in the sunlight for an hour.

    2. Re:What's That Sound? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

      Quick, hook up a generator to him! Free energy!

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    3. Re: What's That Sound? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I dont qualify, but if you donate some of yours please let us know how much you get.

  2. No Blood For You! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    You plebs better hope your not in an accident and need a blood transfusion cause the rich will be cutting into the already short supply!

    Are they going to start bathing in milk again too?

    1. Re:No Blood For You! by spire3661 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ' If rich old people are willing to pay for young blood, then some of that money can go to the donors. The market can solve this."

      This screams 'i have never had any resources of my own, so its ok to just take someone else's'

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    2. Re:No Blood For You! by Moof123 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have never been paid for my blood donations. I found the use of my freely donated blood for cosmetic surgery to be unnerving, but acceptable. Now that profiteering has decided to dip into the game, I want a cut. Why should I give away my valuable life blood for a mere T-shirt (and I haven't even gotten one of those is over a decade)?

      Creepy stuff.

    3. Re:No Blood For You! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      You're a complete fucking idiot.
      Clearly he wants to give blood for usefull purposes, like saving lives. If he has to save lives of people getting cosmetic surgery, well thats the price to pay for helping all the other people.
      But to have some other fucking idiots, not you this time, profit from that by selling it for 1000's of dollars to rick pricks is not what he wanted. Geez what a tool you are.

    4. Re:No Blood For You! by LunaticTippy · · Score: 2

      I donate too, it has cured my mild gout. I suspect that getting blood transfusions unnecessarily will cause serious harm - elevated iron levels (associated with heart disease and cancer) as well as elevated uric acid levels (associated with gout)

      Humans have been spending fortunes on quack anti aging remedies since the dawn of time, this isn't the first time the cure is worse than the disease. Fools and money.

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  3. The notion that... by Rei · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... Peter Thiel would be a real-life vampire would actually explain a lot.

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    1. Re:The notion that... by Rei · · Score: 5, Informative

      Sure about that?

      Yes, he most definitely has interest in doing it to himself. It's not quite clear whether he has started the treatment yet or not (in 2015 he stated that he hadn't “quite, quite, quite started yet”), but he definitely plans to at the very least.

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  4. Bogus Health Claims by Luthair · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why isn't the FDA shutting this down.

    1. Re:Bogus Health Claims by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Why isn't the FDA shutting this down.

      Because thanks to Orin Hatch (R-Utah) the burden of proof is on the FDA. Meaning, THEY will have to do the studies and THEY have to prove that the claims are bogus. Now, with this administration that considers all government regulation to be BAD and its knack for cutting budgets willy-nilly, do you honestly think the FDA will tackle this?

      And the claims are so outrageous, the cost is $8,000 - well,, I see the only people doing this are very wealthy who can throw away $8,000 and not miss it and very gullible people.

      On another note, when you start seeing outrageous things like this that cost a lot of money, I'm inclined to think we are at a peak of an economic cycle. Maybe even a bubble (I wouldn't go that far myself).

      A fool and his money ....

    2. Re:Bogus Health Claims by avandesande · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My objection is that blood transfusions are a significant disease vector and should only be done when necessary.

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    3. Re: Bogus Health Claims by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Proper medical treatment should never be held hostage to market forces, something much of the world understands. But America is determined to be a third world.country

    4. Re: Bogus Health Claims by omaha393 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Really can't emphasize enough here the differences in aging between human and mice models: metabolism, neurological health and cardiovascular health are so variable between the two that attributing one phenomenon as translatable to another is irresponsible at best (especially considering lack of replicable results). Healthcare isn't a typical consumer service where a buyer-beware approach is acceptable, one bad study leading to a hyped up pseudo-treatment is bad news for everyone. On a sidenote though ambrosia is ragweed, that horrible allergenic pollen. So at least the company name is fitting.

    5. Re:Bogus Health Claims by ooloorie · · Score: 3, Funny

      For $8000 a pop, I expect that these blood donations are heavily screened for disease.

      These are wealthy, well-informed people who can work out the risk/benefit tradeoffs for themselves. And for the rest of us, they are willing human subjects that hopefully will contribute to figuring out cheaper and better ways of making such treatments happen for everybody.

    6. Re: Bogus Health Claims by dr.Flake · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In the old days the kidney recipiant would also receive a bloodtransfusion during transplantation. Because it causes a significant immunological depressing effect, limiting rejection.

      Why on earth would repetitive immunological hits be good for you? More likely cause more cancer and infections.

      There are several reasons doctors are very cautious in giving transfusions. Only when there is a clear benefit, it weighs up to the ' costs/risks'.

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  5. There's an app for that... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

    Drinking blood is the next big thing to keep old people young.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/10/julia-caples-drinking-blood_n_3416983.html

  6. Good idea. by gurps_npc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Note that donated Blood has an expiration date. Living cells die. Red blood cells last for 42 days, platelets last only for 7 days.

    That means in order to have enough blood for medical emergencies, we need t constantly have EXTRA blood available that will be wasted. Which means that every day we throw out a ton of 'expired' blood.

    This new business can help manage this problem. Bigger market, means less gets wasted. Worst case scenario, we can say "sorry, you need to return that blood, that was a 12 car pile up on I95." Build it into their contracts.

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  7. Teen blood? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    More like 43 year old homeless drug addict blood. But how would you tell?

    A little hepatitis never hurt anybody...

  8. Scam by Daetrin · · Score: 2

    It's _possible_ there might be some effect from this process, but a business model based on the idea sounds like an attempt to milk as much money as they can before it all falls apart.

    Either further tests by researchers will prove that the perceived effect was a mistake or due to something besides the blood itself, or they'll figure out what the mechanism is and they'll develop a means to synthesize whatever component of the blood causes it. Which means you'll be able to get the treatment without paying thousands of dollars to be a high-tech vampire.

    Until then they're counting on the fact that it _sounds_ plausible to a layman, and also probably that some really rich people _like_ the idea of sucking the life out of poor people in a much more literal manner than they can usually get away with.

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  9. Meh by interkin3tic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I say go for it. Millenials and whatever the younger generations are have been screwed over by boomers. If boomers want to throw peanuts to the younger generation in exchange for something they can easily regenerate, fine, it's better than the financial vampirism they've already done to education, social security etc.

    Plus, as long as you match up the blood types and keep things clean, it doesn't hurt anyone. Unlike the stem cell superstition clinics currently targeting people with more money than ability to understand medical advice.

  10. Donor Intent by watermark · · Score: 2

    I wonder if the original donors know that their blood is being sold for this use? I know that if I donated my blood thinking it was going to save a life, and it was instead sold for profit, I'd be a little disturbed.

    1. Re:Donor Intent by Baron_Yam · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If they did it here (Canada), I'd love it because the money would go back into Canadian Blood Services, and help fund blood drives, collection, and storage.

      Hell, if they gave a percentage back to young donors to encourage regular donation, and another percentage to artificial blood research, that'd be awesome too.

      Lining a for-profit blood business owner's pockets though? Not so nice.

  11. Perfect for Mr Burns by HalAtWork · · Score: 4, Funny

    "All I needed was the blood of a young boy" - https://youtu.be/VRNwqVU70Q8

    He's stayed alive this long, he must be onto something

  12. Gavin Belson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    And I thought the transfusion scene in Silicon Valley with Gavin Belson was so absurd as to be fantasy. The real Silicon Valley (place) is far scarier than the show makes it out to be.

  13. And in other news... by Koreantoast · · Score: 2

    And in other news, the number of teenage runaways appears to have quadrupled over the last year. Details at 11.

  14. Foolish Risk by Fieryphoenix · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If you ever need an organ transplant, all those transfusions will lower your ability to find a good match. When my wife was on the list for a kidney transplant, she needed transfusions due to anemia, and MAN did they hold back as much as possible so as not to screw her out of a new kidney.

  15. Idiotic. by jcr · · Score: 2

    Blood transfusions carry risks. Virus screening isn't perfect. Transfusions are for emergencies, not for vanity.

    -jcr

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  16. Active isolate well studied since the 1970s by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Loren Pickart first discovered this effect in the 1970s and found the responsible isolate, GHK, which has been extensively studied.

    It's probably available in kilogram quantities for the price this company is charging.

    This company is either ignorant of basic science, or a deliberate scam.

  17. I know absolutely nothing about this by holophrastic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sounds like the dumbest and riskiest thing to do with blood. I'd bet that there are huge risks with blood transfusions.

    Long-term things like immune-system fatigue,
    big things like contamination, and
    small things like whoops-wrong-blood-type.

    When you're severely injured, and in a hospital, and doing it rarely, those risks are certainly and obviously worth undertaking.

    But voluntarilly taking those risks, in the hopes of a very-long-term benefit, well, how many of those risks need to go wrong before you've made things worse instead of better?

    I'm thinking the answer is only one.

  18. Re:sewing mice together with their veins conjoined by fustakrakich · · Score: 2
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  19. Re:Why by rogoshen1 · · Score: 3, Funny

    would you then be a stakeholder ?

  20. Re:sewing mice together with their veins conjoined by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    People in hell do not rot, as it turns out. The structural integrity of their bodies is miraculously maintained so that they can be tortured in fire indefinitely. That is how beings of justice, love, and mercy behave towards their creations.

  21. Simpsons did it! by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 5, Funny

    Once again, the Simpsons were ahead of their time:

    “I tried every tincture and poultice and tonic and patent medicine there is, and all I really needed was the blood of a young boy.”

    --Montgomery Burns

  22. The follow-up study proves the fraud. by jeff4747 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I like how the left out the follow-up study in mice where they only gave transfusions to the older mice and it had no effect.

    It turns out the effect was from the young kidneys, liver, etc. that the older mice could use when their circulatory systems were joined.

  23. There is Another Alternative! by dschnur · · Score: 2

    I get my daily caffeine transfusion from coffee beans which are younger than me.

    Works every time.

    Probably much safer too... for me... not the bean.

  24. Re:sewing mice together with their veins conjoined by reboot246 · · Score: 2

    I've always pictured hell as a lot like slashdot. You can imagine that the devil would be a grammar and spelling Nazi of the worst kind.

    It probably would have a lot of the same people there. :p