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Harvard Pulls Student Offers Over Online Comments (go.com)

Reader joshtops shares a report: Harvard University's student newspaper says the school has revoked admission offers to at least 10 prospective freshmen over offensive online messages. The Harvard Crimson says the students posted images and comments in a private Facebook group mocking sexual assault, the Holocaust and racial minorities. The newspaper reported that several group members said at least 10 people were told by Harvard in April that their acceptances had been withdrawn.

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  1. Seems reasonable. by Guspaz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Harvard is a private school, not a public school. Their call to reject students based on this sort of thing.

    1. Re:Seems reasonable. by lgw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sure, it's legal and all. But it sure has a chilling effect - no doubt that's the point. Watch what you say, watch what you think, watch what shows on your face - they're watching you. For your own good, you understand, like a big brother looking out for you.

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    2. Re:Seems reasonable. by GLMDesigns · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Of course the definition of "mocking" needs to be known before judging.

      I don't mock rape. I think rapists deserve the death penalty. And I will mock the SJW who say that 1/4 of the women in college are raped as I don't think that "hitting" on a girl qualifies as rape

      So yeah, mocking may actually be in order -- DEPENDING (of course) on what they're mocking.

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    3. Re:Seems reasonable. by 605dave · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, it doesn't say those things. It says if you're an asshole you're not welcome here.

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    4. Re:Seems reasonable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Chilling effect? I'd disagree-- Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences.

      You can say these things without being prosecuted by law, but don't be surprised when nobody likes you and nobody wants you around.

    5. Re:Seems reasonable. by cellocgw · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No, it doesn't say those things. It says if you're an asshole you're not welcome here.

      To repeat what should have been bloody obvious to you: Who gets to define "asshole." ? Suppose a college withdraws acceptances for some kids who post that they put their faith in $DEITY over government, for example?

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    6. Re:Seems reasonable. by Rakarra · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oh yeah? Define 'asshole'. I dare you.

      You can say some things are intolerable without having to be able to define an exact line between asshole and not-asshole.
      From the summary:

      a private Facebook group mocking sexual assault, the Holocaust and racial minorities

      Yeah, that falls pretty solidly within realm of 'asshole.' No tough call here.

    7. Re:Seems reasonable. by computational+super · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think it's interesting (and telling) that nobody said "free speech", but these Antifa types have shown up almost immediately to remind us that we have only a very narrow constitutional right to "free speech" and that private institutions and businesses can do whatever they want, whenever they want, because they're not the government.

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    8. Re:Seems reasonable. by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Who gets to define "asshole." ?

      Harvard gets to decide. It's a private school.

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    9. Re:Seems reasonable. by Quakeulf · · Score: 2

      So what about those who call for the destruction of Palestine?

    10. Re:Seems reasonable. by MatthiasF · · Score: 2

      Nice strawman tangent but nothing religious was mentioned and you do realize that religious colleges regularly pass punishment against students based off their beliefs. Why are they allowed and not Harvard?

      Oh, right. The First Amendment only protects the obnoxious organized religions and not the moderate unorganized religions. /sarcasm

    11. Re:Seems reasonable. by computational+super · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ah, the classic reductionist, "you have free speech no matter what we do to you in retaliation for it as long as you were able to say it in the first place" anti-free speech canard.

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    12. Re:Seems reasonable. by bsolar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Harward University's definition of "asshole" evidently includes people mocking sexual assault, the Holocaust and racial minorities... and that's the only definition which matters when discussion Harward University's decision to revoke these admission.

      You are still entitled to your own definition of "asshole", which might differ: just don't expect it to have any weight whatsoever on Harward University's.

    13. Re:Seems reasonable. by dunkindave · · Score: 4, Informative

      It is a private institution [...] SOOO... they get to decide entirely and arbitrarily who they are willing to teach and what moral characteristics they expect that person to have.

      Just wanted to point out that this isn't true. There are still anti-discrimination laws private institutions must follow, so for example a whites only or blacks only college is illegal under federal law. Also, Harvard receives federal funding which, despite being a private college, makes them subject to a slew of other laws controlling what criteria they can use to admit students.

    14. Re:Seems reasonable. by TWX · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you can provide a specific example then we will evaluate it and reply to you.

      Just so we're on the same page here, bear in mind that the history of the region within the last couple-hundred years is rather complicated, so you might not like the result.

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    15. Re:Seems reasonable. by MightyYar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      One can object to the political situation in the middle east without invoking racial or ethnic slurs.

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    16. Re:Seems reasonable. by oakgrove · · Score: 2

      Yeah they're "private" but they take in a shit load of public money, to the tune of over 600 million dollars in a recent year. Not to mention the exemption they enjoy regarding their endowment. It's not as simple as just calling them private full stop when they sidle up to the public trough.

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    17. Re:Seems reasonable. by epyT-R · · Score: 3

      I wonder if you'd have that opinion if the school was not accepting them for liking the same sex or having dark skin. After all, they're still free to like the same sex and have dark skin.

    18. Re:Seems reasonable. by eril · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, they're assholes, too. Generally speaking, advocating for the destruction of a populous is an asshole thing to do. If somebody got accepted to a private school in Palestine, and then they got busted, in a private FB group, calling for Palestine's destruction, I don't see how that wouldn't also be subject to a reasonable, "no assholes here" rule.

    19. Re:Seems reasonable. by MightyYar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Antifa? Alrighty. So let me get this straight - Harvard can have almost completely arbitrary entry criteria, so long as it doesn't violate a government-protected class. Harvard can select kids preferentially based on community service, extra-circulars, grades, essay answers, interviews, etc. All in an effort to get whatever they deem to be a "Harvard" caliber candidate. Yet, somehow, Facebook posts are a line you aren't willing to cross?

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    20. Re:Seems reasonable. by MightyYar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      but what will it be tomorrow?

      That is scary!

      They might start only admitting kids who have done community service, out of some quaint notion that "good" people (by Harvard's arbitrary definition) might volunteer to help others.

      They might start only admitting kids who answer an arbitrary essay question in some way that Harvard deems acceptable.

      They might start only admitting kids who were on team sports because Harvard has decided that they arbitrarily value this "ability" to work together as some kind of character worthy of Harvard.

      It's a truly slippery slope we are on when these colleges get to decide what kind of a person attends.

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    21. Re:Seems reasonable. by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Getting fired for telling your boss to go fuck himself/herself also probably has a chilling effect. Anyone in the office who thought maybe they could get away with doing the same thing without getting fired will have a serious disincentive to express their 1st amendment free speech rights in this way.

      I'm a libertarian, and this is the sort of chilling effects that I am comfortable with.

      The private school maintains it's freedom to accept and reject whomever it wants, and the students are free to apply to any other schools they wish and those other schools are free to accept or reject them.

      Your actions have consequences. The constitution promises that your speech will not have legal consequences in most circumstances (except special cases like perjury, etc). It is not limitless. These kids are either adults or soon to be adults. This is an important lesson to learn. Another important lesson is that one setback (e.g. not getting into a particular school) is not the end of the world, and it is an experience you can learn from and improve yourself. A third very important lesson, is to assume that everything on the internet is forever. Everyone says embarrassing stuff on the internet and in real life. Embarrassing things are easily forgiven if not forgotten. Try not to say to many things that you would be actually ashamed (not just embarrassed) of if made public.

    22. Re:Seems reasonable. by prunus.avium · · Score: 5, Informative

      Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences

      Um, yes, that's exactly what it means. That is, in fact, the definition.

      No. It means that you are free from governmental consequences. Private entities are still free to tell you to fuck off.

    23. Re:Seems reasonable. by x0ra · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No you can't. Go one way, you are antisemitic, and go the other way and you are racist / islamophobic.

    24. Re:Seems reasonable. by Gilgaron · · Score: 2

      Sort of... but there are religious universities where you'll be expelled for being the wrong sort of Christian and so on.

    25. Re:Seems reasonable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The part that not enough people are discussing is why a private Facebook group became public knowledge enough for Harvard to make this decision.

      This should be a discussion of privacy and how to not trust anyone, but instead it's all bickering and arguing about who's a bigger asshole.

    26. Re:Seems reasonable. by hey! · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think the red flag here isn't bigotry, it's hazing. Prove you're extreme enough to join our in-group, then pressure others to do the same.

      Toxic conformity produces all the ills bigotry does and then some, but with none of the sincerity. It's doing what you're told simply because you were told.

      Bigotry, where it isn't tied to some kind of psychopathy, is mainly a matter of ignorance. You can educate people out of it. But the hazing mentality is refractory and self-perpetuating. The recent Penn hazing case shows that academically smart kids who are prone to act like irresponsible conformist idiots can't be fixed by anti-hazing policies and educational programs. They just have to grow out of it. Some people never do.

      People who are susceptible to this kind of social pressure might even need a controlled form of supervised hazing, like boot camp.

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    27. Re:Seems reasonable. by smooth+wombat · · Score: 2

      it is YOU who is a small-minded SJW bigot who would suppress free speech

      No one is suppressing "free speech". These idiots are free to spout their nonsense all they want. No one is stopping them.

      but in the US the constitution protects free speech and the truest test of free speech is whether you would allow a person to express opinions you detest.

      Again, no one is prohibiting these idiots from saying what they want. Not Harvard, not Facebook, not anyone. They can continue to spout off as much as they want.

      adults understand that it's acceptable when other people embrace beliefs with which they disagree.

      I'm sure white supremacists such as Steve Bannon have wholeheartedly stepped up and adopted this stance.

      Or, maybe you will always be a bigoted SJW prick

      So calling out people who deny the holocaust or make fun of people being raped is now a social justice issue? We're not allowed to call them out on their idiocy and assholeness?

      hope someone kicks your teeth in some day when you try to tell them what to say and think.

      And there's the strawman. For the third time, no one has told these people they can't say what they want or believe what they want. All that is happened is Harvard has said they're not the kind of people they want to represent them as future alumni. These assholes are free to spout their views as much as they want, and people are free to judge them on those comments. Actions have consequences.

      Such as yours, wishing harm to come to people for something which isn't even on topic. The nice thing about freedom of speech is it reveals to the world the true nature of an individual. Such as you. We can all tell what kind of person you are, and judge you for it, yet no one here is preventing from showing your true colors.

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    28. Re:Seems reasonable. by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's how the participants in the fight like to frame it, because then it forces you to pick a side. The key is to not fall into that trap and call out whoever is behaving badly.

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    29. Re:Seems reasonable. by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Most people get rejected form harvard...

    30. Re:Seems reasonable. by TWX · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, you may be labeled antisemtic, or labeled racist or islamophobic, but labels are usually applied by others. Those others in-turn have their own labels, etc.

      Granted, you can be those too, but you do not have to be those things in order for someone that disagrees with you to label you as such.

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    31. Re:Seems reasonable. by xevioso · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's because that view is 100% correct. I don't understand why conservatives think there's a constitutional right to say whatever you want without consequences. it's almost as though they've never read the Constitution. The Founding Fathers never, under any circumstances, intended for there to never be any social consequences for your speech. Only that the State can't censor you for your content. Not everybody else.

    32. Re:Seems reasonable. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      having said that, they are a private school and can admit or refuse anyone for any reason

      No they can't. Federal anti-discrimination laws prohibit discrimination against specific classes of people, and some of those laws, including the ADA, apply to college admissions.

      Harvard also receives federal grants and is a government contractor, so that adds additional requirements and obligations.

      However, no anti-discrimination laws protect racist assholes, so Harvard should be okay in this case.

    33. Re:Seems reasonable. by GLMDesigns · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That's true. But the point is - if Harvard can do what it wants because it's a private entity then why shouldn't the bar owner? Who should decide? The business (who chooses to cater to smokers) or the government?

      Now, if you're arguing that it's the government's role, then the fact that Harvard is a private business is irrelevant.

      If you're a libertarian, who believes in freedom and limiting government power then you would say that each of these businesses (Harvard, the bar and the bakery) can make their own choice.

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    34. Re:Seems reasonable. by computational+super · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not that I agree with anything that these kids (allegedly) said or even that I disagree with what Harvard did... I find it very interesting, to say the least, that every time somebody is punished for expressing a thought, leftists appear seemingly out of the woodwork to remind us, before anybody even has a chance to contradict them, that the concept of freedom of speech "only applies to the government" (it doesn't, although the laws that enshrine it do) and that it doesn't matter anyway because you DID say it, so whatever happens afterward, you still had freedom of speech in the moment. This thread is at 212 comments now, and I count exactly 0 people suggesting that Harvard did the wrong thing, or that the free speech of these applicants was somehow abridged, but that hasn't stopped Antifa from coming in here and moralizing at us that Harvard did the right thing, and that even if it was the wrong thing, they were within their rights to do it because they weren't the United States government. To me it's mostly just funny, because if they succeed in getting the world that they want, the first group of people it will be used against is them - they laid the groundwork, for example, for Donald Trump's election by creating an imperial presidency and an activist supreme court.

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    35. Re:Seems reasonable. by jriding · · Score: 2

      First thing.
      Free speech is only in regards to the ability to have the freedom of speech and not have the government (federal or state) stifle what you can say.

      Second thing.
      You are welcome to have the freedom of speech to say anything you want, but that freedom does not remove the consequences of your speech.

      So if YOU are one of those people that feels you should be able to say anything you want but should not faces any consequences then you can "FUCK OFF".

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    36. Re:Seems reasonable. by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Yup...so much for colleges being a safe place for free thought, and the ability to vocalize and exchange ideas...even *controversial* ones.....

      If you're not able to talk about such things, then the belief in them doesn't go away..it just goes underground, and festers.....and then they never get exposed to other points of view.

      The free exchange of ideas, allows for beliefs to be put forth and discussed, and in such discussion, the better ones stay and the others fade.

      They fade NOT because they are shouted down, or not allowed to be expressed, but by thoughtful conversation and making valid points to address the weaknesses of the weaker argument.

      I was just watching an interesting video yesterday on Amazon Prime Can We Take A Joke" , and it really puts an interesting light on what's happening on today's campuses.

      Its interesting how in the past, saw with Lenny Bruce...that is was the far Right that had him arrested and shut down.

      It was the more liberal colleges that pushed the greatest back then, IMHO, for true free speech...even controversial speech.

      And now today...PC and such, are closing down speech again, but this time, instead of the right pushing it...it is the left.

      I would posit the best way to get bad speech out of the way, it to allow it to be spoken, and don't shout it down, but speak against it and debate it.

      Surely the best side will win on merit?

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    37. Re:Seems reasonable. by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's because that view is 100% correct. I don't understand why conservatives think there's a constitutional right to say whatever you want without consequences. it's almost as though they've never read the Constitution. The Founding Fathers never, under any circumstances, intended for there to never be any social consequences for your speech. Only that the State can't censor you for your content. Not everybody else.

      The thing is...unless there is a societal foundation to support the governmental free speech laws, then you don't truly have it.

      Rather than shout speech you don't agree with down, or try to keep it from being expressed, why not debate it, and the best way of thinking will surely win based on merit, no?

      Just because someone isn't PC, doesn't mean they should be shouted down or blocked from access to schools...if that happens, then those feelings, thoughts and beliefs just grow underground and in the background, and become harder to address as times goes on.

      Free speech and debate need to be supported on a public basis as well as by governmental law.

      Tolerance works all ways, eh?

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    38. Re:Seems reasonable. by ljw1004 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The part that not enough people are discussing is why a private Facebook group became public knowledge enough for Harvard to make this decision. This should be a discussion of privacy and how to not trust anyone, but instead it's all bickering and arguing about who's a bigger asshole.

      Read TFA. (Also the source article it links to). Harvard created an official group for the Class of 2021. TFA says: "students were required to post provocative memes in the bigger group before being allowed into the smaller one". So of course this was visible to Harvard, which is how the Harvard Admissions Office reached out to the posters of offensive memes asking for an explanation. I have to assume that at least one of the people they contacted, went on to tell them about the private group and showed them messages.

    39. Re:Seems reasonable. by xevioso · · Score: 2

      They do. Assholes are not a protected class, unlike blacks, gay folks, etc. There's nothing that says a private institution can't discriminate based on what a person says.

    40. Re:Seems reasonable. by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      So you're advocating a new federal government law that actually forbids freedom of association?

      So if I have a private party in my back yard and someone brings a friend who then starts telling everyone how great Hitler was, I'm not allowed to demand that he leave my property, but instead of I have to have a debate with him about this?

      Are you fucking insane?

      What the hell has this country come to when the leftists are the ones supporting freedom of association, and the right-wingers are openly opposed to it?

      No, I'm not going to have a debate with every loony that comes along expressing idiotic and insane ideas, whether they're about Naziism, conspiracy theories, alien mind control anal probes, or whatever. I don't have time for that shit.

    41. Re:Seems reasonable. by penandpaper · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You have a very narrow view of history if you think that. What happens when the government is complicit in the oppression of a people? The KKK and blacks are a prime example. It wasn't the government oppressing black people but also the government didn't do anything to stop it or enforce law and order. Only when black people armed themselves did the KKK subside in any meaningful way.

      What you're saying is that any group can oppress any other group so long as the government is complicit in that oppression. Hey, it isn't the government silencing you or restricting your right to vote. If it's against the law just call the police. Oh, they didn't answer? Well shucks! At least the government isn't oppressing us!

      Yes, there are social consequences to your actions but just as other rights have been codified into private policy such as equality before the law so to should there be some protections for speech in such a speak easy world. To put it another way, Twitter (the preferred platform for POTUS for better or worse) should not be able to ban political ideology just like they cannot ban black people.

    42. Re:Seems reasonable. by rogoshen1 · · Score: 2

      do you not see the double standard though?

      private organizations either have the right to choose who to admit, or they don't. the actual opinions they're weighing in on should be utterly irrelevant.

    43. Re:Seems reasonable. by penandpaper · · Score: 2

      Not associating or being around someone you don't like is very different than having limited access to public accommodations. If the government is complicit with your "consequences" what is the effective difference if that person cannot exercise their rights or use public accommodations? Do you think black people were happy not able to vote because it was the KKK that stopped their vote with a complicit government?

    44. Re:Seems reasonable. by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 2

      In the US?

        List them.

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    45. Re:Seems reasonable. by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 2

      Actually, you're anti-Semitic in both cases, since Arabs are Semites.

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    46. Re:Seems reasonable. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      The problem is that some speech suppresses other speech. Having a KKK march on campus is likely to creating a chilling effect on other students. The institution has to balance competing freedoms. That is done by requiring people to moderate the way they express their ideas, while trying to allow even the most extreme ones to still be expressed in full.

      In other words, it's as much about the manner of speech as the content.

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    47. Re:Seems reasonable. by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 2

      if Harvard can do what it wants because it's a private entity then why shouldn't the bar owner? Who should decide? The business (who chooses to cater to smokers) or the government?

      Many states, cities, and other municipalities have decided to regulate smoking in bars because of the public health hazards of secondary smoke. Local governments generally have much broader discretion in determining such polices than, say, federal free speech laws or whatever.

      If you're a libertarian, who believes in freedom and limiting government power then you would say that each of these businesses (Harvard, the bar and the bakery) can make their own choice.

      Actually, libertarians generally believe that your rights only extend so far that you don't harm others. There's at least a legitimate argument -- which you may or may not agree with -- that the health hazards of secondary smoke are great enough to limit smoking in some contexts.

      As for the bakery example, it depends on what you mean by "ethics." If you mean discriminate on the basis of whether someone volunteers at a soup kitchen or something, sure, a bakery can discriminate against any such customer on the basis of "ethics." There's no legal "right" to force a business to engage in a transaction with you. But I assume where you're going with this is the controversies over cakes for gay couples.

      What the bakery CANNOT do is discriminate on the basis of legal protected classes. Patrick Stewart made this distinction rather clear a few years back over a bakery which was accused of discrimination for refusing to bake a cake that said "Support gay marriage!" The bakery refused to bake THAT CAKE with THAT MESSAGE, regardless of whether the customer requesting it were gay or straight or Black or White or whatever. A bakery could also refuse to decorate a cake saying "Heil Hitler!" or "Black Lives Matter" or "White Nationalism is Awesome" or whatever. Merely refusing to write a political message is not discriminatory; refusing service to an entire class of people is. Being gay is not a matter of "ethics," but a matter of who you are. Refusing to serve someone on that basis -- sexuality, gender, race, etc. -- is a problem.

      I know that many libertarians don't believe in antidiscrimination laws. Nevertheless, many people think there's a difference between refusing to serve a customer for whatever random reasons (generally legal) vs. refusing to serve ALL customers on the basis of who they are (generally illegal for protected classes). For many, preventing systematic discrimination is enough to overcome general libertarian principles.

      Back to Harvard: it infringes on no one's legal rights to deny admission, and there's no evidence of discrimination on the basis of a protected class or whatever. So yes, it can make its own choice here.

    48. Re:Seems reasonable. by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 2

      An entirely private religious school like Liberty University already DOES. There is no outcry, there never has been, except for the time they tried to ban non-whites who had acknowledged interracial dating.

    49. Re:Seems reasonable. by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You socially engineer an invitation to join. For some reason that doesn't strike me as being particularly difficult in this instance.

      A lot of people have leapt immediately to "free speech" arguments, what they don't get is that the people who outed themselves by joining this group also proved they're too dumb for university because they left the information where it could be found relatively easily on a system with no anonymity. Put it this way: 99.999% of Slashdotters are smarter than that, would you want that bottom 0.001% attending your college?

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    50. Re:Seems reasonable. by penandpaper · · Score: 2

      The activities of the KKK were not "social consequences". An example of a social consequence is someone exercising their freedom of association and choosing not to do business with you or interact with you on a social level.

      Blocking your access to the polls is the same in effect regardless if it is done with a gun or a mob. Is it social consequence protestors blocking the streets that get you fired from your job or your access to the polls? The KKK and modern protestors do it for different reasons but to similar effect. Yes, I understand your milder version of social consequence but you should understand that when you are talking about public accommodations your 'milder' versions of social consequences are blown out of proportion. A gay couple and friends could have taken your 'milder' form of social consequences when denied a wedding cake but the courts were involved and have been involved for a very long time now.

      the government was actively involved in the oppression, by not allowing the victims to defend themselves. They're the ones who insisted that everyone leave defense up to them, taxed everyone to (theoretically) fund that defense, and then selectively failed to respond when defense is needed. By doing so they were siding with the aggressors, even if they never lifted a finger during the attack.

      Jim Crow aside, no the government was not actively running around in a mob lynching black people (unless it was seen as getting a criminal) or threatening them to not vote. Jim Crow tried to take away the right of arms to black people and it has been a fight since the Civil War for blacks to keep and bear arms. When blacks had guns the KKK violence stopped. Go figure. The governments have always been lackluster in their duty to uphold law and order in black communities.

      This government inaction is the same reason why the executive must "faithfully" execute the law. Yes, semantics over who is "actively" involved but that doesn't mean anything to the person that is denied a right. It is very much different to defend yourself from a mob with a gun than to defend your access to public accommodations because of your views.

      If Twitter wishes to be selective about who they offer their services to, and for what purpose, that is entirely within their rights.

      It is precedent that the government not let any institution that has a disproportionate influence on our elections to be partial to the public. Why should twitter or any social media company be exempt? How many elected representatives are on social media? How much of the national dialogue happened on social media this last election? Hells bells it is preferred platform of POTUS, you don't think that platform should be impartial to political ideology?

    51. Re:Seems reasonable. by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Just so we're on the same page here, bear in mind that the history of the region within the last couple-hundred years is rather complicated, so you might not like the result.

      s/within the last couple-hundred years //

      Seriously, is there any region on the planet that's been invaded by more different people?

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    52. Re:Seems reasonable. by kaatochacha · · Score: 2

      What's really funny is that, way back int he 60s, it was the liberals crowing about free speech and the conservatives trying to shut it down.
      Now, the conservatives carry the free speech banner, and the liberals are doing the shutting down.

  2. Mr burns can get them into yale! by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

    Mr burns can get them into yale!

  3. As it should by rholtzjr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is something that everyone should be aware of when posting views and comments on the Internet. If you do not want it to be public forever, then do not post.

    1. Re:As it should by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is something that everyone should be aware of when posting views and comments on the Internet. If you do not want it to be public forever, then do not post.

      Or, you can post without using an account and post whatever the fuck you like.

      Anonymous Coward is not really accurate. Anonymous Smarter Person is more like it.

  4. Good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Good news for 10 people on the waitlist.

  5. Man by mewsenews · · Score: 3, Funny

    Those kids who are blaming Cards Against Humanity are going places! Not Harvard.. but places..

  6. Re: Thoughtcriminals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Posting on a forum is an action. People can still be as racist as they want in their thoughts, those can't be read (yet).

  7. Re:You Will Comply by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    the "left-wing point of view" sexual assault is bad, the holocaust happened, and people of different races are people too.

    LOL, you're a funny boy/girl

  8. Re:Ridiculous by lactose99 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Schools have codes of conduct, many of which prohibit forms of what would be perceived as hateful behavior (whether that's righteous or not is not the point here). Would not surprise me that this crossed the line, hence the rescind.

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  9. People forget Colleges are not Vo Techs. by fish_in_the_c · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Colleges are not Vo Techs. It was NOT the original purpose of a college to prepare someone for the work force. They were designed an intended to teach people MORALITY first and science and information second. Western universities come to us originally as an effort of Medieval religious education intended for priest Monks and the ruling class. So anyone going to college should expect to be subject to moral formation. It might be an idea for parents to consider if they agree with the moral formation they are paying for. No one should kid themselves. Even state run schools have an agenda and program of moral formation. Often times a very anti-religious one.

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    1. Re:People forget Colleges are not Vo Techs. by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Really? I learned "morality" as a child, and I didn't learn it in school. If I wasn't moral by college age, I wasn't going to be.

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  10. Private group? by sanf780 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    So, how did Harvard get into a Facebook private group? I do not use Facebook, but in my humble opinion, a private group means that unauthorized entities cannot access that group.I understand robots that scan words like "bomb" and maybe the NSA, but not real people with no affiliation to the group or the service or national security.

    Be warned, millenials! Nothing is private on the interwebs.

    1. Re:Private group? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Be warned, millenials! Nothing is private on the interwebs.

      This is pretty much Rule #1 of Internet use: No matter what you post, no matter how private the message or restricted the forum, assume that it WILL get out. If you wouldn't say this to your spouse, parents, siblings, relatives, boss, co-workers, etc, then you should seriously reconsider saying it online.

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    2. Re:Private group? by Albanach · · Score: 3, Informative

      So, how did Harvard get into a Facebook private group? I do not use Facebook, but in my humble opinion, a private group means that unauthorized entities cannot access that group.I understand robots that scan words like "bomb" and maybe the NSA, but not real people with no affiliation to the group or the service or national security.

      From the article:

      Students had created the Facebook group as a spinoff from a 100-member group created for the Class of 2021. The Crimson says students were required to post provocative memes in the bigger group before being allowed into the smaller one, which was at one point called "Harvard memes for horny bourgeois teens."

      There was no need for access to the private group if the entry requirement was to post something like the memes described in the official Class of '21 facebook group set up by Harvard employees.

    3. Re:Private group? by avandesande · · Score: 2

      A little common sense bit of advice here.... don't put things in writing you would be uncomfortable having someone read in court.

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  11. It is a troubling trend by spoot · · Score: 3, Informative

    As a private institution, Harvard does indeed have the right to pull the plug on admissions on anyone. However, it is a (and excuse using what often is a logical fallacy ), a slippery slope. With all of the illogical attacks and rampant emotionalism happening on campus these days, I often say to my sig-other, that I would never attend college these days. In fact, as a alumni of one of the most liberal colleges, I don't support the alumni association with donations, instead I give my dough to thefire.org. If you haven't been keeping track, here are a few examples: Yale 2.0 at Evergreen State College, When the left eats its own, Harvard president defends free speech in commencement speech; Harvard still actively suppresses student rights, and the list just goes on and on. The trend away from using logic, peer-review, toward speech-crimes and railing against traditional western liberal free thought and debate is just intellectually mind numbing.

  12. Re: Seriously? by c6gunner · · Score: 5, Funny

    You're comparing mocking sexual assault, racism and the holocaust to religious beliefs?

    Uh, yeah? Have you ever read the Bible/Koran/Torah? They make 4chan look tame in comparison.

  13. Re:Seriously? by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

    Don't forget Christianity and Judaism. There's one part in the Bible where the Jews attack and murder all the members of some other tribe because supposedly God told them to. And I'm pretty sure there's verses in there supporting sexual assault (including other attacks on other tribes where they subjugate the women after killing the men).

    Also, the Holocaust was committed by Christians. Debate the secret beliefs of the top nazi leaders all you want, but all the people actually manning the camps and abducting people were Christian and had these activities justified to them based on religious arguments.

    All three of those religions are barbaric and support brutality. Some just cover it up slightly more than others.

  14. Re:Ridiculous by TWX · · Score: 2

    According to the results of her trial for the Marin County Courthouse affair, she is not a murderer.

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  15. Cover your ass versus protection from harm? by shanen · · Score: 2

    Over 400 comments, so it's what passes for a "popular" topic on today's Slashdot. Especially disappointed by the feeble attempts at humor, but maybe those funny mods were just examples of the latest craze among trolls, using "funny" mods to attack in a less obvious way. "Hey, just because YOU didn't appreciate the humor."

    The obvious angle for insight did not seem to be touched at all. Of course I started by searching for comments modded as "insightful", and then I went through a bunch of keyword searches. Came up with nothing along the lines of my Subject: question.

    In brief, if the Harvard people are just trying to cover their own ass (the university's collective ass?) by avoiding being linked with stupid posts on Facebook (or Slashdot), then it's a depressing kind of cowardice in what is supposed to be one of the leading institutions of America. ("Hey, but it's just a symptom of how America is LOSING", as the Trumpists would say.)

    If the Harvard people are sincerely interested in protecting society from harm, then it's a completely different thing. Maybe they remember such moral disasters as that AG who defended torture for Dubya and that little Ted Cruz coward who were empowered to do much of their damage by their Harvard imprimaturs. I for one would not blame Harvard for seeking to avoid creating the next (and possibly worse, ITIP) Ted Cruz.

    Lots of largely incoherent mumbling about free speech in this Slashdot discussion, but I doubt most (or perhaps any?) of them actually know what freedom is.

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