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Trump Wants To Modernize Air Travel By Turning Over Control To the Big Airlines (theverge.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Verge: Today, President Donald Trump endorsed a plan to hand over oversight of the nation's airspace to a non-profit corporation that will likely be largely controlled by the major airlines. Republicans argue that privatizing air traffic control will help save money and fast track important technological upgrades. But Democrats and consumer groups criticize that plan as a corporate giveaway that will inevitably harm passengers. The air traffic reform proposal, which fell short in Congress last year, would transfer oversight from the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) to a government-sanctioned, independent entity that would be made up of appointees from industry stakeholders. The effort picked up steam when the union representing air traffic controllers endorsed the plan, citing years of understaffing by the FAA. Some passengers may balk at the idea of handing over day-to-day management of the nation's highly complex air traffic control system to the same companies that rack up tens of thousands of customer complaints a year, and occasionally physically assault or drag passengers off their planes. But the Trump administration argues this is the only way to modernize a system that still runs on technology that's been around since World War II. The FAA is already years into a technology upgrade known as NextGen, which involves moving from the current system based on radar and voice communications to one based on satellite navigation and digital communications. The FAA wants to use GPS technology to shorten routes, save time and fuel, and reduce traffic delays by increasing capacity.
The FAA is already years into a technology upgrade... either its already outdated or its almost done so the corps can take credit.
Two things that come to mind when I think about Republcans:
1. Embrace of technological progress.
2. Telling the truth about what motivates their policies.
Understaffed, undertrained, people die.
This is about rich people making even more money, not about anything else. I wish people would stop the nonsense about greater efficiency. It always ends up badly for regular people, just ask the people in Flint Michigan about their water.
A brain is a terrible thing to waste... Mind? That's debatable.
Yeah!!!!!!!!!
Now we have some one we can sue. The TSA seems immune from being normal.
Well, i can see that privatizing this may offer some benefits.. But i think the regulation should be clear rules that the airline companies need to abide by... Then they can compete on even terms and you choose what service you want to get for what amount...
If you want a cross-country flight for less than $100 then you get what you pay for...
One rule could be that the airline has is not allowed to make more than 25% profit per flight or similar.
against the Unions. this will be good.
I have some hens to guard. I want it to be efficient. So I hand it over to the foxes to manage!
The plan is to create an NGO to operate it, fully funded by user fees -- not to hand control over to the airlines.
This system is used in about 50 countries, including Canada, the UK, and Australia.
I'm sure that'll be a boon to the safety and security of all travellers... and their pocket books.
Oh, yeah. I really want my safety to be weighed against someone's profit margin in a spreadsheet somewhere.
Government is not a business. It should not be run like a business. People who think it should be should not be allowed anywhere near a decision making office in government.
We can't let terrorists win!
It's corporations who must be the leaders in civilian deaths caused by crashed planes!
Not a bunch of religious fanatics armed with box cutters.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
Privatization of the entity responsible for ensuring safety levels met by airlines to be funded by those very same airlines. And it isn't like the airlines would back away from their responsibility to ensure safety for travelers by cost cutting measures that are approved by the organization that governs them, is it?
Get rid of SecurityTheater 2.0 where everyone has to take off their shoes and belts, and then get a virtual rape-scan and/or an actual finger-your-genitals rape.
The rape thing is what put me over the edge. I won't fly again until they return to the old pre-rape SecurityTheater 1.0.
p.s. They should also make it a felony for airport personnel to steal items from passenger luggage.
You mean like go back to the TWENTIETH CENTURY MODEL where airports or airlines ran the security lines?
We are *NOT* talking about the TSA, we are talking about the FAA. Different.
In *principle* this could work, but more likly, Trump will hand it off to some corporation that sends a lobbiest with a large bag of cash to suck his cock.
If you want news from today, you have to come back tomorrow.
ATC and the TSA are under completely separate agencies. What makes you think that a change in the way the FAA does business will change anything about Homeland Security?
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
GPS is fine when it works. What will happen to air travel when GPS goes down?
This could happen through a technical fault (likely locally, unlikely globally) or via enemy action (jamming locally, destruction of the infrastructure globally).
Remember that the C/A (coarse/acquisition) code that we civilians use for navigation was never meant for that. Like the Internet, various bits of old and new technology and capability gradually accreted into something upon which our entire economy depends. That something was not designed as a whole, and was certainly not designed for robustness and dependability. Ponder this the next time you step onto a plane.
What happens when you move from radar to beacon and GPS tracking? 9/11.
With no active radar to track flights coming into (for example) New York City, it was impossible to "see" the two airline planes before they crashed into The World Trade Center as the beacons had been turned off.
Presumably there will be an up-charge for "premium traffic control".
Nullius in verba
So from a non profit group to a group of people concerned with profits...
That doesn't seem like they will make impartial decisions
And then you can have a supreme council, a council of the heads of councils if you will.
This was briefly the government of Italy, with ministers of Agriculture and Forestry, Corporations, Finance and so on. This was called the Grand Council of Fascism, which see.
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This is a bad idea that the airline lobby floats every few years. When the Democrats had control, they almost bought it until cooler heads prevailed. With Republicans in charge, it's time for another try. There really isn't much that the Federal government couldn't improve with privatization, but this is one of those things.
If this passes, the airlines will dominate the privatized company, transferring as much cost as they can to general aviation, while abusing their power for the purpose of limiting competition. They will dumb-down the controllers, resulting in chaos. It's hard to believe anyone could make the air travel industry any less accountable than it already is, but empowering an industry with a notoriously poor reputation of policing itself would be one way to do it.
Have we learned nothing from privatized airport security? Although I despise TSA, I have to admit that privatized airport security prior to 9/11 was absolutely useless. TSA, for all its well-documented flaws, ended the concept of minimum wage and constant turnover among security agents.
The NextGen program has had several high-profile failures. The implementation of new routes in Phoenix resulted in a large number of complaints and lawsuits against the FAA. The more recent changes in the SF Bay Area including routing a much higher number of aircraft over Palo Alto and lower elevations in the Santa Cruz Mountains, both of which have angered a great many residents.
Jet traffic brings noise pollution and air pollution to the corridors they travel, resulting in health impacts (though difficult to measure) and sometimes significant reductions in property value. The previous corridors have been used for decades and the impact is well-understood by residents in those areas; the change was not well-communicated before being implemented and residents were mostly caught unawares.
The benefits of these changes include a higher volume of traffic to airports, increasing airport profits; more efficient routes for airlines, increasing airline profits; and potentially cheaper fares for customers resulting from the first two changes. Speaking personally, I would rather keep my home value and quieter skies.
The wheel it turns, around and around, with an ancient rumbling sound.
When 9/11 came around, all flights were grounded and FAA officials nationwide were active diverting planes already in the air. Will privatization reduce our ability to respond under similar circumstances?
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Yes dear AC, like WMD in Iraq, no anthropomorphic climate change, voodoo economics, bombing middle eastern countries will make them peaceful, pollution is good for you, nuclear power is clean as hell and produces no waste products, privatization makes things cheaper, guns make everyone safer.... hell, I could go on all day.
Your post is so amusing. No wonder it is anonymous.
I hear 'ya, brother!
Now, can you tell me more about the 31 genders?
I can't get too furious about this. I'm reading all the things that could go wrong in the comments and why it's a bad idea, and, it's not anything too terrifying. Cost of airfare is always gonna go up one way or another. If it goes up too much, then seats are empty, and airlines lose money; the market adjusts. And if this proposed company screws up, then oversight still drops in and starts making changes. I know it feels weird for Trump to support something that isn't the dumbest idea ever, but, how about we agree to this one, if you give the Democrats something in return for that support...y'know, the way politics used to behave?
Canada did the exact same thing (privatize to an NGO) in 1996.
Nav Canada, the NGO that operates Canada's air traffic control, has won three IATA Eagle Awards for Best Air Traffic Controller since 2001. It also closely coordinates with the existing FAA ATC system as the Canadian and US airspace are extremely interrelated (perhaps the most so in the world).
Canada is one of about 50 countries that have gone this route (Britain, Germany, Australia and New Zealand are among the countries that have done so). Nav Canada even sells their system (Australia runs on it) - we could potentially just buy a solution.
Money coming from tax payers means that everyone, from poor to rich pay for the services. As opposed to people who can afford to use the airlines paying an additional fee to support the services they actually use. Considering the ultra wealthy can afford to pay a lesser rate for their taxes (the 80,000 page US tax code isn't that large to make it fair) it's the rest of the population paying for this today!
This is the problem with a whole lot of projects and schemes where both the far left and far right claim that we need Government to be our savior. Government tends to be horrible at everything, and maintaining and growing their tax funded budget is prioritized over everything else.
I'll really have to consider this more deeply over the next few days, but I'm fine with it as is. The FAA seems to be maintaining oversight of standards, investigations into incidents, etc.. and if that's the case I will remain fine with it.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Sure, Iranian women wearing niqabs with those Ballet Fantastique - Esther Costume Inspiration gowns and using big translucent displays with the Minority Report gestural interface. I think I saw them in MiB 17 when I was dreaming once. Or, we could go with boring old Watson.
I really hate it when people use false attributions to make arguments or bolster their point of view. A prime example is the sub's assertion that the airlines:
"...occasionally physically assault or drag passengers off their planes."
No. What the airlines do is report passengers who refuse to follow crew instructions to Law Enforcement. Law enforcement officers are the ones who use force to remove unruly or uncooperative passengers. Basically, if you refuse to do what an airline crew member tells you to do, they will call the cops to come make you do it. The officers involved are not employees of the private airline companies, they are employees of the government.
Airlines will now be able to offer flights with positive air traffic control as a premium upgrade.
*cha-ching*
Although many don't see it, America leads in freedom of personal aviation. I can use my aircraft just as I use my car. I have proper FAA licenses and medical certificates. I am instrument rated and can fly with the same rules as the airlines. I can also get in my plane and go camping at a remote strip or visit a restaurant in the next town's airport without requesting permission from anyone just as I would with my car. If I fly into big central airports following the same rules as the airlines then I can and do coordinate with the proper FAA officials. My use of these facilities is fully funded by taxes levied on the aviation gasoline that I burn n the plane. The idea here is that as a free American I can choose my mode of transportation within the nation's transportation system on the same basis as anyone else, private or corporate. For the most part, my aircraft is like my car.
With a switch from costs coming from taxes on aviation gasoline to "user fees" for various specific operations and a switch from a government control system to a private NGO the freedom to use an aircraft much like a car for personal transportation will mostly disappear. This is exactly what has happened in (e.g.) Europe where(for example) fees for each takeoff and landing effectively stop practice at small airports.
Then a governing board that will inevitably be dominated by the airlines will set the rules so that those pesky private aircraft will be effectively gone.
If you like this idea, then please accept the same for our highways. Each time you drive to the store for some milk, every time you take a weekend at the lake, you must first file a "drive plan" with a corporate board run by the trucking industry. Then you will give a credit card number so that your driveway exit, road use, and parking use fees will be automatically paid for the trip.
And if you think that this is tin-foil-hat stuff, please look at the rules for private aircraft in Europe and the rest of the world.
This is the death of one more freedom that we currently have in this great country.
I used to be a pretty serious aviator. The FAA has been "upgrading" their air traffic control system for decades. In the words of Carl, they have wasted "Billions, and Billions" of dollars over those decades without much progress. It has all been smoke and mirrors, computer systems that don't work, and more dollars. As with just about everything, the private sector could do it a lot better than government.
by turning driving over to big corporate driverless cars?
I guess we'll see whether or not Amy Fraher's observations about deregulation of aviation in "The Next Crash" are correct. A reading of this book reads to me much like Geekonomics by David Rice, and it doesn't seem like LESS oversight is going to help either industry.
Industry stakeholders .. who will represent passengers? O_o Seems like letting the industry self reguate was really effective for housing lenders, lets do it with airplanes!
Really? So it's not possible for congress to increase funding and set a mandate for the FAA to modernize? If that is true, your country is truly on the path beyond second world (because you can't seriously think you're first world... unless you've never traveled).
,Bezos revolutionized the eCommerce sector, what's so controversial about the FAA not doing as good of a job as a private entity that an article warrants being allowed through Slashdot's post filters? I say, cool, let 'em have it.
...the FAA's update has been called "the worst boondoggle ever", the (Iirc) 3rd failed update effort, eating tens of billions of dollars.
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I know the narrative is that "every trump idea is stupid" but this plan has worked several times in other countries quite well, including Canada...
-Styopa
I personally knew some GOP planners; this is how they plan:
1) Purposely fuck up government services as much as they possibly can without getting into trouble themselves: get people to hate stuff they like.
2) FUD against government services and politicians... Uncertantity and Doubt = lower voter turn out. Fear (often connected to Hate) is central to their campaigning.
3) Run on reform for said services counting on the public to not be smart enough to see wolves in sheeps' clothing.
4) After the public is upset enough, privatize services for huge profit. Continue FUD and coverups until it becomes the new normal. Then just maintain it as people forget the past (before they screwed it up) plus without oversight people don't know a fraction of what goes on compared to before.
Their plan for education was to make people hate public education which is highly popular. So it involves much more to ruin the system-- such as pitting groups against each other. I asked "won't that harm a generation of students?" and they replied "it's worth it, we can handle the loss of a few generations; besides the best kids will go to private schools and that should keep the USA #1." I'm not kidding. Their ideology is stronger than their religion.
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The problem is that FAA is not only an infrastructure operator, it is also a regulator. Hence what we see here is government-pushed Regulatory capture
Just Have too...
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Pre-911, the airlines ran security for half the price, with much shorter delays, and with more courtesy and politeness. Penetration testing has shown that TSA is no better than their predecessors at catching perps.
"By turning over control to the big airlines" This is supposed to scare you and think "OMG, if the big airlines get control over the FAA then they will be able to beat up passengers legally!"
Air Traffic Control is mostly about co-ordinating which planes are going where so as to ensure they don't crash into each other during flight. The private airline companies may not have much incentive to offer great customer service, but they have a BIG incentive to make sure that their planes don't crash. Because A) You loose a lot of money if your plane crashes, its not just the cost of the plane, its the fact that your airline probably took out a loan to pay for that plane and now they have a monthly payment to make but no plane to generate ticket revenue to pay for it B) That is a heck of a hit to your insurance rate for the insurer to pay out to all the citizens that lost loved ones C) Its a really big PR hit to your sales
Let air traffic control be privatized like Trump wants. Its actually a pretty good idea whose origins go back to the Bill Clinton days. Just because the Air traffic control part would be privatized doesn't mean congress couldn't continues to pass laws ensuring fair business practices regarding prices or security.
http://crankyflier.com/2006/10...
There are times when it makes since to go with the lowest bidder, but it usually isn't government services. If the government wants something done correctly, without spelling out the most minor details or anticipating every possible short-cut, it should probably handle it on its own.
I don't practice what I preach because I'm not the kind of person that I'm preaching to.
This reform is long overdue. Al Gore had a similar proposal some 20 years ago, and Canada privatized longer than that. The idiots who rattle on about the evils of big corporations are probably still sore that Carter deregulated the industry >30 years ago, and since then air traffic has exploded and just about everyone can afford to fly. No doubt all those poor people were forced to do so by evil corporations.
(I like how you used a google redirect to hide that you were linking to The Daily Caller)
That mid-2015 article cited as support for its boondoggle thesis a claim that ADS-B (what you really want instead of simple GPS) would not be operational before 2020 -- yet ADS-B went operational in late 2016.
TDC was just peddling right wing BS as part of the lobbying to let private companies scrape more profits out of monies the taxpayers have invested.
Can we try new things?
Obama is not a Republican
It was the Obama administration that ordered all the transgender bathroom stuff (because clearly the federal government was doing an excellent job on all the stuff it's supposed to do, so it needed more) to satisfy the gender-confused wing of their party. We all had to put up with months of yelling about bathrooms because normal people decided to push back on the insanity of your nutcases... so much for your side not lettig its crazies run things - you turned the country over to a self-admitted coke-head community organizer who spent 8 years appeasing his wierdo supporters - the guy spent years in court trying to make nuns pay for abortions.
the headline was totally dishonest
furthermore, the proposed ngo will be required to properly support smaller airports and private aviation. The FAA has been working to upgrade the air traffic control system for over 40 years, through Republican AND Democrat administrations, while congresses have thrown away many BILLIONS of dollars on the project with NOTHING to show for it; they're still using tube-based electronics in part of the system.
Stick a fork in it. It's done... there's no evidence the F AA is ever going to be capable of reforming itself and performing. Even the unionized air traffic controllers areonboard the Trump plane on this one
The problem for dems is that a govt run health care system already exists: the VA. Bernie Sanders even sits on the committee for oversight. And, the VA has big problems. Now, if Dems were pushing for the UK to run the USA health care system, it could get more support. Hell, they could pass NHS as a gov't owned HMO.
The cost of tracking an aircraft does not change much with size, so it will cost in the same ballpark to track a cessna 172 with 2 people, and a boeing 737 with 170 passengers. Economics seem to favor big airplanes over small airplanes in other areas. So, it might not be a big loss for a small airplane to not fly, or become very expensive to fly.
1, Anyone who complains about an airline will get a beating, not just the few lucky ones that resist being thrown out of their paid seats. 2. Instead of wasting money investigating crashes, the money will be divided among the long-suffering airline CEOs on poker night.. 3. If your baggage is lost, airlines will give you a free double leg amputation, making it far more comfortable to fit in the new seats they are planning. 4. All TSA personnel hires will have microcephaly. As a result, terrorism is expected to decline, as so many people will die in air travel that no one will believe terrorists when they claim they had anything to do with it.
Cars on roads do not require centralized management. Individuals driving each vehicle will suffice. Centralized management is needed for railroads and airplanes.
But now, you can get a free checkup. You can even get a free prostate exam if you say you're unsure if there's anything extra up in that area. This saves on medical costs and results in an overall healthier population. Plus it adds a lot of jobs too. TSA is a big win-win.
*vomit*
As exposed in This Film Is Not Yet Rated when an industry "regulates itself" with help of "major" players, they quickly adapt this vehicle to keep the lesser competitors out.
I suspect it's more like nibbling a tiny Cheeto.
Always costs more because it adds a layer of cost that businesses call profit. It's such a simple thing to understand, i have to wonder what is wrong with people that don't get it.... i mean, are they really that fucking stupid?
Fascism: An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization. See also: NAZI's
You made the claim "Government tends to be horrible at everything". Keep in mind that when states a premise as a fact, they are "Begging the question."
Government is not horrible at everything. In fact it is quite good at a lot of things. Our mail is delivered every day, our police and fire departments respond every day, our military defends US interests every day, our taxes are collected every day, our currency is managed every day, and thousands of other less-visible governmental actions are performed well every day.
Government is really bad at some things; but, often those things are the kinds of things that private enterprise is equally bad at, if not worse. Government eventually desegregated the private Universities, despite plenty of action to thwart it. In my opinion, Government didn't do a great job in that department, rather they blundered their way through it. However, they did get the job done. Likewise, the Nixon impeachment proceedings were another slow plodding blunder with an eventual success. The cost overruns of NASA were enormous, but the goal of landing a man on the moon was reached. At the time, no private entity would have been able to achieve these goals.
I applaud your decision to consider things more deeply. I hope your consider how much you have already bought into the "evil Government" story line. This story line has managed to leverage the election of a person unqualified to be a politician (he's qualified to be a CEO of Trump Enterprises, but these are not equivalent positions).
US history has had automotive manufacturers release cars they know would explode in minor collisions because it was cheaper to incur the expenses of about 2,400 wrongful deaths than to pay the $11 per car to put a weld patch over the gas tank. That is what a business will do, maximize profits selfishly. Perhaps there are a few businesses which won't, but that doesn't impede the ones that do.
Only government can protect the rights of the people. Stop bashing it if you want your rights protected. Fix it if you think it is broken, but TRUST me on this, don't take anyone's word as fact that it is broken. Lying about broken government is often a cheap trick to get in office.
To prove my point, our current President lied about the broken "Obama plays too much golf" when in reality he's played more golf in the first five months than Obama has played in eight years.
That's your tax dollars at work people! His Secret Service has to guard the golf course. He has to buy out the whole course to do so. He is still getting paid while playing. I'd be pissed if someone earned my trust by pointing out a problem, and then used my votes to make the problem worse (even if it was something as non life-threatening as golf).
There is an old Dutch saying "Truth in small things is not a small thing." It has may ways of being interpreted, but I'll go with, "If one will lie about a small thing, then lying is not a big deal for that person." Trump lies about how much time a President should spend golfing, if Obama played too much golf, then Trump is playing way too much golf (except that Trump is obviously fine with his frequency of playing golf). That's about as small as it gets. Don't expect any truth from this man.
Pelvis has already sabotaged the FAA and ATC controllers are already understaffed, underpaid, and likely to die of a heart attack in their 50's. Notice that the ATC Union is vocally supporting this.
Seriously, are they literally retarded?
The airline industry is run by a complete and total asshats.
Non profit? Sure, the shell corporation ran by the industry it is designed to regulate may well be non profit. Of course, the rules that it makes or chooses to enforce will be designed to ensure maximum profit of those same companies.
I can see it now.
Step 1. Double or tipple book landing / take off slots since some times planes just don't show up.
Step 2. If somehow, all the planes show up and everyone wants to land, American airlines will shoot down the other/s plane at random.
Step 3. Profit?
"Like". I think "like" is the crucial word here. As in making an analogy. And a nudge that perhaps one other area ought to change, namely security.
Ezekiel 23:20
We should be wise to this by now: save money for who? And at the expense of what?
I can picture you, grinning, hovering mouse over the submit button. You think you're straight up hilarious, don't ya. Pretty sad.
Services provided by governments are usually (but not always) monopolies
You could say that government is the natural monopoly of natural monopolies. Services that are universal and especially services that are required to be universal (e.g. mail) head up this list, because letting someone profit from such a thing amounts to a private tax. Otherwise we start looking at whether there are market failures, like a high barrier to entry. Whether or not the government is good at what it does is actually a distinct issue.
Part of me wants to see the red states get exactly the government that they want, but maybe that's too vindictive.
So where's the teeth in that system?
That would be the concept of democracy. I believe it's defined as 'the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.'
Those who advocate genocide deserve every protection afforded by law, and none afforded by common human decency.
Airlines have been pushing for these user fees for decades.... precisely because they dont want to have to share the airways with us little guys.
Umm, door locks were the fix that prevented any other 9/11s from occurring. The security theater hasn't done a thing.
Yes it's an anecdote! Were you expecting original research in a Slashdot comment?
Everything is an indicator of fascism, if you pick your indicators right. Also, fascists breathed. Beware.
That and the hijackers exploited a "rule" about hijacking that was true until 9-11. Up until then, if your flight was hijacked, you sat still and did nothing. The plane was re-routed to somewhere like Cuba, the hijacker put on a big show to get attention to whatever it was he wanted attention on, and then everyone was released. So long as you kept quiet, you were inconvenienced but otherwise unharmed.
The people on the first two planes that were hijacked on 9-11 kept quiet assuming that this was the rule. The third plane got wind of what was going on and fought back. Sure, they didn't survive, but they went down fighting and ensuring that the hijackers didn't reach target #3.
Any future hijacker won't be able to rely on people abiding by pre-911 hijacking rules. Even if the hijacker is the "fly to Cuba" type, people will assume this is another 9-11 and will fight back. We've seen it in the "shoe bomber" and other hijack attempts. Passengers and crew fight back and subdue the hijacker. This exploit that the 9-11 hijackers used is closed for good.
My sci-fi novel, Ghost Thief, is now available from Amazon.com.
Yup: I actually found it amusing that the (Italian) fascists wanted a corporate government and little freedom, while the corporations want to run a government that guarantees them a free market. The German Fascists, on the other hand, ran a traditional government with representatuion from regions, not lines of business.
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Yup, unofficial policy change.
Funny how quickly people adapt to sudden danger, but how slowly they adapt to the more global and less immediate ones.
So now Trump has started to sell, or at least he wants to, assets of the government. Doesn't this sound like a certain friend of his that sold the assets of another country to their rich elite in exchange for their loyalty? Of course the US doesn't have oil companies to sell but there are lots of other things that Trump can sell to the wealthy people of America. It won't help him stay President longer than 4 or 8 years but afterwards he could find himself on the boards of many companies owned by his new friends and earning generous compensation packages.
It's all about what Trump can grab and the US government is the worlds largest piggy bank. He's been breaking the law by using his position to influence people to use his businesses since he was elected. I wonder what else he's been doing to enhance his fortune.
It is worse than them being no more likely to catch terrorists. Penetration testing has found that TSA agents are 1/5th as effective at finding dangers than the old security screening.
Microsoft, Apple, Google, Amazon what's the difference? All steal money from devs and control with walled gardens.
Southwest flight 328, holding short runway 27L, requesting takeoff clearance.
"Uh, yeah, SW328, we're gonna need you to taxi to the apron and hold there while we get the 5 BigCorp planes behind you out of the way."
Unless the terrorist and the pilot are the same person, as has happened in some high profile cases, suspected in others.
You mean like go back to the TWENTIETH CENTURY MODEL where airports or airlines ran the security lines?
We are *NOT* talking about the TSA, we are talking about the FAA. Different.
In *principle* this could work, but more likly, Trump will hand it off to some corporation that sends a lobbiest with a large bag of cash to suck his cock.
I suppose the next thing that Trump will privatize is the ARMY
Leslie Satenstein Montreal Quebec Canada
Unfortunate. I'd like airport security to be privatized like it used to be, with no new outrageous requirements any time someone does something stupid.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
1. You may have flown within the current system, but I have developed avionics systems within that system. The FAA is the REASON those electronic systems are so expensive that many private pilots cannot afford them. The FAA is also the reason that profit margins are so low that no American companies are making the equivalent of a Piper Cub or a Cessna 150 these days (i.e. a reasonably-priced small plane aimed at middle class people). Yeah, I know, there are a bunch od small plane makers making composite jobs aimed at the above-middle-class, but I'm talking about mass-produced planes a middle classperson can buy and fly his/her fmaily around in. The FAA is the REASON most small planes lack AOA instruments and other such things, the REASON many newer and safer instruments, powerplants, etc never make it to market. Do you have any clue about how long the FAA has been working the "precision approach" stuff? Do you understand that they are the REASON there are no flying cars in mass production? Thought experiment for you: Imagine you plan to start a business to make and sell five hundred flying cars, small planes, or fancy new life-saving bit of avionics. Now imagine the FAA regulations and fees will make getting approved take a decade and 10 million dollars... do you proceed? An old industry joke goes "Question: How do you make a small fortune in aviation? Answer: you start with a large fortune..."
2. Your claim that "there are no user fees now" is completely bogus. The FAA is getting funds that are taken from you indirectly through all sorts of taxes and fees. You buy avgas don't you? Do you pay other taxes? The fact that the costs of the FAA are hidden from you and you choose not to look for them doesnot mean they are not there.
3. You falsely attribute the current safety stats with the FAA. The FAA is not the responsible party here. The entity that IS responsible is a different and little-hearalded federal entity that works with great diligence, total openness, rigorous honesty, on a limited budget and without wasting everybody's time and money doing PR for itself: the NTSB. The NTSB is the agency that dispassionately investigates every accident and explicitly lays out for the world to see every detaill of what went wrong and how it could have been avoided and what everybody should do differently going forward. NOBODY is calling for messing with the NTSB.
4. You seem to have fallen for Senator Charlie Schumer's insane rant that as a non-government entity the new outfir would be driven by a profit motive (even though it is explicitly a NON-PROFIT) and would thus cut corners and kill people to save money. Let's see now... if that's the free market model of business, then how has McDonalds screwed up so badly?!? By that whacko "thinking" McDonalds ought to be slaughtering customers right and left as they cut corners and kill for profits. Same for Home Depot and Sears. Nothing says "repeat customers" like piles of corpses!
The aircraft makers, maintainers, operators, and insurance companies, informed by the NTSB, are the reason for the safety. It turns out that killing customers is BAD FOR BUSINESS. It turns out that insurers do not like insuring bad systems and operators. It seems that all these entities, operating purely out of self-interest and informed by those NTSB reports, will work diligently to operate as safely and efficiently as they can in order to preserve their own lives and livelihoods - and that the customers end up benefitting from that. Imagine that...people all working for their own best interests end-up cooperatievly doing something well that benefits all (the way many things in the US worked before being captured by Washington DC politicians and bureaucrats). A French guy named Alexis de Tocqueville once visited America and wrote a rather famous book about this phenomenon...
Free your mind! You have become comfortable with a federal controll of air traffic, and the idea of freedom and of an entity run not-fo
Donald Trump got elected, I think I recently saw a pig fly, and I'm pretty sure hell has frozen over... so stranger things have happened (smile)
Yesterday I even saw a legislator talking with the Trump people about the VA. It seems the VA has, over the decades, designed and implemented its own patient records system (countless tax dollars spent on a delayed and buggy system) and some Trump admin person asked something like "hey, don't all your patients come from the pentagon and don't they already have a system with all those records already in it? whay are you not just using a copy of their stuff and transferring the records directly over when the service member leaves the service?" Apparently there was no good answer and things are about to change...
Probably good news for taxpayers and servicemembers. Probably bad news for the usual suspects of politically-connected firms with lobbyists and canons loaded with bribes, er, "campaign cash" whose names we know and who seem to mostly sell over-priced buggy crap to government.
Yes, I suspect I'll soon see a talking elephant.
We live in interesting times where an unthinkable man has landed in the White House and now all sorts of previously unthinkable questions are being asked in a swamp called Washinton DC where the residents have been quite comfortable in the muck for many decades. Will there be missteps? Sure, but there may well be some great improvements, and this air traffic control matter may just well be a great one.
the private company's Do-178?
Yuppers, boys n girls, the safety standards of the FAA are actually from the private company RTCA. The FAA just picked the standards they wanted followed and in a crony-capitalist way, ordered everybody to conform to the specs of that private company which makes money selling the specs and training/advising on compliance issues etc.
Funny thing: people terrified of a private non-profit company running air traffic control have no problem with the FAA ordering everybody to comply with a private FOR PROFIT company with which it has an interesting relationship. Were the FAA standards actually government standards, they would be publicly available for free online or on paper for the cost of printing. We currently have the worst of all worlds at the FAA: a lesser-form of actual fascism - no, not goosestepping troops (one way fascism is often IMPLEMENTED and ENFORCED) but the actual form where government has special relationships with supposedly private companies and those "partners" order the public around. where the details of this "public-private" partnership are a bit obscured, while the government assures the public that this is optimal and one should not bother asking questions. The RTCA seems private, but is it? who's in charge of whom? Does somebody at the FAA quietly tell the RTCA what to put into the specs and then when asked does the FAA pretend it was not the author? are there revolving doors for employees between these entities? How much congressional oversight is avoided by the illusion(?) that RTCA is private and separate from the FAA? Average citizens may never know.
If they're not people, they have no rights. If they are not people, they cannot own things or produce things.
And if they can't want anything, how can they ask for anything?
Do the corporations have people? Yes. Do those people want things? Yes. Do they want things for the corporation? Yes. Therefore the corporation wants them.
You, however, are a retard.
As illegal as you consider searches to be, it doesn't by one iota infringe on your right of free travel. It doesn't stop you from getting on your stereotypical horse and riding across the horizon to wherever you want to go.
If you want the convenience of fast travel, then you also get the inconvenience of being searched. [SHRUG] I'm searching for the worlds tiniest violin, and a Spinal Tap amplifier turned to "-1", so I can properly appreciate the sad music.
Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
The airline industry has a ridiculously bad track record for deploying reliable software. The next thing we will wringing our hands over will be runway neutrality where monopolistic airlines will cause their competitors to circle the airport until they run out of fuel.
Greed is the root of all evil.