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Kaspersky Files Antitrust Complaint Against Microsoft Over Disabling Its Antivirus Software (bloomberg.com)

Russian security software maker Kaspersky Lab has filed antitrust complaints against Microsoft with the European Commission and the German federal cartel office, it said in a statement on Tuesday. From a report: Kaspersky sent a formal complaint to European Union and German antitrust regulators, saying "hurdles" created by Microsoft limit consumer choice and drive up the cost of security software. "With the release of Windows 10, Microsoft started to create obstacles to competing manufacturers of security solutions, and introduce different ways of pushing users to forgo third-party software in favor of its own Windows Defender," Moscow-based Kaspersky said in a statement. In a statement, Eugene Kaspersky said, "We see clearly -- and are ready to prove -- that Microsoft uses its dominant position in the computer operating system (OS) market to fiercely promote its own -- inferior -- security software (Windows Defender) at the expense of users' previously self-chosen security solution. Such promotion is conducted using questionable methods, and we want to bring these methods to the attention of the anti-competition authorities."

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  1. What is the problem? by DickBreath · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Microsoft has created a monopoly by almost literally forcing (decades ago) OEMs to pre-infect their hardware with Windows OS. If Microsoft can have a monopoly on systems infected with malware, then why can't it have a monopoly on the cure? It must be one of the rules of acquisition. Sell them the problem, and then sell them the cure for it. Why should others be able to profit selling the solution to a problem Microsoft created? If the solution is "too" effective, then malware may disappear -- which would hurt the market for anti-malware.

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    1. Re:What is the problem? by DickBreath · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's amusing history at this point. It once was a serious problem. But after what happened a couple weeks ago, it obviously still is a very big problem.

      To its credit Microsoft, years ago, got very serious about security. And I applaud them for it.

      Google has also been very proactive with Android security.

      Linux. Well? Somewhat. Not as much as I'd like. But we generally don't see large scale problems in the wild. Of course, one day we will.

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    2. Re:What is the problem? by desdinova+216 · · Score: 3, Funny

      it will happen right after the real year of the Linux desktop happens.

    3. Re:What is the problem? by Grishnakh · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Linux. Well? Somewhat. Not as much as I'd like. But we generally don't see large scale problems in the wild. Of course, one day we will.

      The only problems we've seen with Linux have been with server installations, usually targeting software that's only installed on internet-facing servers. We haven't seen anything at all that targets desktop Linux. And it's false to claim that "one day we will"; maybe we will, maybe we won't. With desktop Linux marketshare so low, and little sign of that improving any time soon (despite the absolute horrors of Windows 10), there's not much incentive for malware writers to target it. Of course, there's other factors: Linux has a better security model from the outset, plus it has generally more savvy users who are too smart to install some stupid toolbar, and on top of that it doesn't have Outlook which seems to have been one of the major attack vectors in Windows for a while now. So with all that in mind, it's quite likely we'll never see large-scale problems in the wild with desktop Linux.

    4. Re:What is the problem? by Megol · · Score: 2

      Almost literally forcing => gave very good volume discount. For larger manufacturers it could be cheaper to ship Windows on a computer than not, some shipped machines installed with Windows even when another OS was to be installed later as they got a better profit. Some say the discounts were too aggressive as even selling a few computers without Windows drastically increased the prices. In combination with Windows being the preferred OS for most customers that made it very hard for manufacturers to both sell Windows and other OS installations.

      Compare this to Intel that actually payed good money for e.g. Dell to sell more expensive (officially) processor with worse performance rather than selling better performing and less expensive AMD processors for (officially) better profits. That is Intel gave money in compensation to Dell and others for selling Intel systems, compensation that in some cases meant Dell earned money by "buying" Intel processors. Intel used their strong position to reduce demand and availability of AMD systems even if that meant large losses for a time. The result? A slap on the wrist, minor compensation to AMD (much less than potential losses) and some better conditions for AMD - Intel cross patent deals.

  2. This didn't end well for Netscape. by Narcocide · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not expecting any different outcome in the long run.

  3. Oh, Microsoft by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Oh, Microsoft, is there anything you can't fuck up? Is there any line you won't cross in pursuit of profits and customer lock-in? Is there not a single engineer, programmer, or executive in your organization with an intact pair of balls who will pause, and think, "Wait, we shouldn't do this..."?

    No? Okay, just checking.

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  4. Say It Ain't So... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft has been an upstanding corporate citizen since settling the US antitrust case and increasing its lobbying budget from zero dollars to millions of dollars each year.

  5. Car analogy by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That company makes cars easily stolen because the lock is weak. Thus a number of 3rd party shops sell locks that improve the car security. Then the car maker decides to fix the locks and the 3rd party accessory is not necessary anymore - who is to blame? Seriously, these anti-viruses have always been Windows parasites that only flourished thanks to Microsoft unable to implement a decent security solution earlier.

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    1. Re:Car analogy by DickBreath · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not quite the right analogy. The car company does not fix the locks. They make their own accessory like the 3rd party accessories to fix the locks. Then they sell that accessory. Then they try to stop the 3rd party shops from selling 3rd party accessories that fix the locks. Maybe at some point the car manufacturer includes the accessory with the car, but still does not actually fix the locks.

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    2. Re:Car analogy by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not quite the right analogy. The car company does not fix the locks. They make their own accessory like the 3rd party accessories to fix the locks. Then they sell that accessory.

      Microsoft does not sell Windows Defender as a separate product, it comes with Windows at no cost.

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    3. Re:Car analogy by ckatko · · Score: 2

      I, for one, support Microsoft.

      Chrome and Firefox shouldn't run at all on Windows 10. After all, Windows 10 already comes with Edge.

  6. Kaspersky sucks by eril · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Microsoft sucks, too...and they're deserving of the hate they get, but Kaspersky may suck worse. I lost all respect for them as an "antivirus" application when one of my clients couldn't use Git because of it. Kaspersky identified Git (using SourceTree as a client) as malware, and kind of fucked up her file system, requiring her to do a system restore. After that, the client pretty much refused to use SourceTree, because she was convinced that it was a virus. Fuck Kaspersky...go Microsoft.

    1. Re:Kaspersky sucks by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      I could give you horror stories about other anti-malware vendors also. It's possible they all suck in part because Windows is a mess, and they have to use duck-wire and chicken-tape to patch/fix/use something that is also duck-wire and chicken-tape: Windows. (Word swapperoo intentional)

  7. The fact their server is in Russia is why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Seriously, I work in the IT industry, many of us ban all traffic from Russia and several Asian states by default. This means that Kapersky has the unfortunate side effect even though being cheaper unable to automatically update because it's on russian soil thus for us IT folks we've started to Migrate to other software that does auto update without fail and has local servers. If Kapersky would setup sub update servers on each state and tie their software to the country, with the correct DNS ties in the software the update process wouldn't be that difficult to maintain.

    1. Re:The fact their server is in Russia is why by rahvin112 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They don't do this because Kapersky is one of the ways Russian GRU intelligence is using to exploit and spy on everyone. I have not doubt in my mind it's backdoored to high hell because one of the lead founders was recently arrested for spying and it was noted he was a ranking member of the Russian Intelligence services. This would be like Norton being owned by the NSA. Given that I don't know how anyone can trust Kapersky not to be littered with backdoors and Russian intelligence extra's.

      Just an an FYI, Kapersky anti-virus is banned from use on US government computers for this reason just as several Chinese made switches are banned because the company executives are high ranking PRC Army intelligence.

      You might not like Microsoft but their executives aren't ranking spies in the NSA or other spy agencies.

  8. Re:Politics and anti-virus. by jellomizer · · Score: 2

    You forgot to add Microsoft in the mix.
    Anti-Virus software in order to work, needs to be rather invasive to the system it is running on. So the OS Maker doesn't want to have anyone making an "Anti-Virus" program to be installed with that level of rights. As we have a mountain of scams coming from the disguise of anti-virus and security software.

    Now Kaspersky could be making a solid and safe product... However their country of origin has been a bad player in the world community, so there is also general fear on how much control will the Russian government have on their product? One Anti-Virus update to back doors to our PC.

    Finally we have Microsoft who has dominance on the desktop market. And unfortunately the United States is closing its door to the world and being that scary grumpy old man who doesn't trust anyone. And Microsoft has been part of these problems before, meaning we would want a 3rd party security tools to monitor stuff that we don't trust from Microsoft.

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  9. How inferior can it be by orient · · Score: 4, Informative

    ... given that Windows Defender is a re-branding of Reliable AntiVirus, whose architect (Costin Raiu) Kaspersky hired from GeCAD before GeCAD sold RAV to Microsoft?

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  10. just dump windows and... by FudRucker · · Score: 2

    switch to Linux and you wont need an anti-virus software. sheesh!!! just how shitty does the MS-Windows environment have to get before it runs itself out of business

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  11. Selective memory argument by s.petry · · Score: 2

    Netscape was just one small example of MSes anti-competitive business practices. Microsoft saw NetNanny, Cybersitter, and other internet control projects as a threat (some due to bad press). So they built in their own inferior system, and put the majority of those out of business. Microsoft wanted total control of Office Applications, gave away enough "Word" to put competitors out of business. Novell was basically put out of business by MS giving "free" licensing (scaling limits) with NT3 and NT4 for a few years. See what MS did to Bordland for compiler space as well.

    I'm not surprised Kaspersky filed suit, I'm more surprised that other companies had not already done so. Then again, there is a whole lot of back room deals with MS and US AV/Security companies.

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  12. Re: to bad apple hardware sucks by bestweasel · · Score: 2

    Well Dick, it seemed like B but I'm going to go for A.