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Delays In Unlocking Cellphones Seized In Inauguration Day Protests? (buzzfeed.com)
Cellphone data may play a key role in prosecuting people arrested at inauguration day protests, according to an article shared by Slashdot reader Mosquito Bites. A U.S. attorney acknowledged that "the government recovered cell phones from more than 100 indicted defendants and other un-indicted arrested" in a filing last March, adding "The government is in the process of extracting data from the Rioter Cell Phones pursuant to lawfully issued search warrants, and expects to be in a position to produce all of the data from the searchers Rioter Cell Phones in the next several weeks."
But 11 weeks later, it's a different story. Prosecutors "have provided defense lawyers with access to hundreds of hours of video footage from January 20, but have yet to turn over data extracted from more than 100 cell phones seized during the arrests, according to lawyers who spoke with BuzzFeed News." In addition, they report that now more than half the 200-plus defendants "are vowing not to cooperate with prosecutors, even in the face of a new set of felony charges that carry stiff maximum prison sentences."
But 11 weeks later, it's a different story. Prosecutors "have provided defense lawyers with access to hundreds of hours of video footage from January 20, but have yet to turn over data extracted from more than 100 cell phones seized during the arrests, according to lawyers who spoke with BuzzFeed News." In addition, they report that now more than half the 200-plus defendants "are vowing not to cooperate with prosecutors, even in the face of a new set of felony charges that carry stiff maximum prison sentences."
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In a similar way to the "mistakes" this young lady who leaked classified made, so to did most of these demonstrators.
Seriously, if you're going to participate or be part of the leadership of an organized protest, consider all your "command and control" participants use - get this! - "burner phones", and then at some point, ditch them.
If you want news from today, you have to come back tomorrow.
more than half the 200-plus defendants "are vowing not to cooperate with prosecutors
Why would anyone cooperate with their prosecution?
Do I misunderstand something here? Typically you cooperate with your defence and are adversarial with your prosecution, no?
Have gnu, will travel.
Which would be a walk for the defendants.
By keeping them in suspense they hope they'll take the plea bargain and come out worse off.
It's always interesting to note that it's been Republicans who have sought to impeach Democrats for specious and unfounded reasons that are actually based on their own political partisanship, yet somehow can't even recognize the amoral scum they've embraced is bad for them, it's like they don't know they really should demonstrate their vaunted love of moral integrity every now and again.
It's like the political party doesn't know they need to keep their own house in order, not just praise every arsonist thug who wears their preferred T-Shirt and shouts the right sounding words. Or tweets. Without you know, actually managing a coherent sentence, but who cares about that?
Whenever you see the word "lawful", you know something bad for the common people is being done in the name of DUH LAW.
Remember boys & girls: "rule of law" just means "rule of lawyers". All the great human calamities of the 20th century - the trenches of WWI, the Armenian genocide, the Jewish holocaust in Germany, the atomic holocaust at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the allied firebombing of Berlin and Tokyo, Stalin's purges, the American chemical warfare against the Vietnamese people, the Soviet war against the Afghan people, the firebombing of Bagdad, etc etc - were all 100% unambiguously "lawful".
Virtuous laws and their just administration can be a great benefit to a people. Badlaws are worse than nothing.
It would be interesting to see footage of those "not my President" peaceful demonstrations by democracy lovers side by side with footage of peaceful demonstrations around American embassies in the Middle East. AK-47 asides, it would probably be difficult to tell them apart. Fanatism, intolerance and entitlement have a lot in common.
lucm, indeed.
You should put that on t-shirts and sell it to those "Democrats" who always want to impeach presidents when the other party wins the elections...
"Always" is a disingenuous word to use here. We're in unprecedented territory here. George W Bush, the previous republican president, had pretty specific causes. Warrant-less wiretapping, the patriot act, misleading to get us into two wars... We're not talking "He gave us healthcare! THROW HIS ASS INTO JAIL!"
and who demonstrate their love of free speech by doing their best to disrupt and silence those who disagree with them.
The far left wing did shut down a few high-profile speakers at college campuses, it didn't silence them. For that to happen, Milo had to go making pedo comments. Ann Coulter is still spewing her brand of hate-speech, as is her right. The right wing is silencing people who disagree with them with violence.
Yes, yes, you've been disparaging Obama for years, to the point where you concocted an insane reason for a simple misstatement, and now, with Trump, who just this week gave some sort of rambling response while sputtering over Comey's testimony, you still can't admit that the best explanation for Trump's inability to even read a teleprompter is simple senility. You're still stuck on your anti-Obama fixation.
But seriously, you lost the teleprompter argument when it was Palin whining about it as she read from one herself.
Republicans suddenly love Russia, hate democracy, love their president to appoint Russian spies, and use Moscow secured networks to protect discussions from Congress and Senate.
They love how his campaign staff held secret meetings with Russian secret service, and exchanged emails with Russian government hackers.
None of that is backed by actual evidence. You just keep repeating the same propaganda published by biased liberal medias, you're not citing facts.
And I'm sure Republicans love it, that any foreign government can donate large amounts of money/assets to Trump and several already have.
That's a bit rich considering how much money Clinton took from foreign donors. Based on evidence released by Wikileaks, that includes: the United Arab Emirates, Iraq, Turkey, Libya, Qatar, Algeria, Oman. And of course China (which has a long love story with the Clintons), plus the usual: Norway, Netherlands, Canada, etc. Of course none of those contributions would have influenced her presidency.
lucm, indeed.
Yes, yes, you've been disparaging Obama for years, to the point where you concocted an insane reason for a simple misstatement
The video is a 5 minute compilation of a large number of different times when his inability to speak without cue cards was made obvious. Spinning that as a "simple misstatement" is like saying that Bill Clinton had just one extramarital affair.
lucm, indeed.
You lost your argument when the Clinton Death List started to be spouted as genuine fact by all the Republican Stalwarts, and it continues to be recited as a testament today. This was further enhanced by ever-popular (on the Right) birtherism and dozens of other farcical scandals and hysterics, which rather demonstrated a lack of serious criticism. Add in the established criminal actions of many of those Republican prosecutors in the House, which mysteriously you find not even the slightest demonstration of opprobrium, and you're losing your place on the pedestal by diving head-first into the muck.
Even now, you have people proclaiming the evils of Hillary, while suddenly embracing a man known for his corruption and malfeasance for decades, whose proclamations in the White House show only a tendency towards grandiosity and pompousness that are only exceeded by the lack of rational thinking he has demonstrated.
He's even lied about the circumstances of his slinking into the Oval Office. Lost a National Security adviser who lied about payments from foreign sources. His spokeswoman hawked his daughter's wares when they were upset about a retailer dropping the products.
The video is a 5 minute compilation of a large number of different times when his inability to speak without cue cards was made obvious
So what about the hours of donnie speaking worse?
Can you do me a small favor? Maybe it's big, I don't know. Could you tell me what that has to do with today? See, I am as left as ever lefted. I have no idea how that applies to today. Please school me.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
"are vowing not to cooperate with prosecutors, even in the face of a new set of felony charges that carry stiff maximum prison sentences."
"Confess now or we will hurt you thrice as much!" FTFY
I should probably abandon thread.
What has that got to do with the now? I'm willing to listen. In fact, I must. I am really fucking confused.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
Fuck me. I tried hard to agree with you. I was willing to ignore the pedo bit. Then, you did the 'her brand' of hate speech.
No... I don't even agree with the premise of hate speech. Sorry, I am a lefty that still supports rights such as the freedom of speech. Hell, I even support it for non-Americans... But, when you called it her own brand, you lost me.
To be fair, the American left lost me a while ago. However, I want you to understand why. Do you get it, or do I need to spell it put for you? Just in case you're curious, I am the American left. Youre going to be sad when the right keeps winning, probably. I wonder how long it will be before you figure out why. I can only do my part, while you retard our growth.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
For fuck's sake... You make me side with republicans. No. Not one thing you said is backed up with evidence. Nothing, really. There is some supposition and that is it.
The sad reality is that most of the shit thrown at Trump is unfounded idiocy.
I say this as lefty McLeftyPerson. The progressives, and the liberals, have gone straight to retarded. They have gone so retarded that I'd be embarrassed to associate myself with them. Now, when you idiots lose more elections, call me. It seems it's gonna take more losses before you figure it out,
Again, I am the left. Go ahead and fight and argue with me, I'm not scared. Let's see how many more slots the left can lose. But no, it is surely someone else's fault.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
The context is that the Trump haters keep accusing him of things that their own candidates do.
-Interference with the FBI investigation (the same guy, Comey, is the one that Clinton blames for losing the elections because he refused to stop investigating her email snafu)
-Taking money from foreign countries (which the Clintons have done for over 25 years)
-colluding with Russia (where Bill Clinton gave a speech to promote Uranium One, which conveniently received the blessing of the US govt to be partially acquired by Russian interests while Hillary Clinton was secretary of state)
so when a Trump hater accuse him of being unable to manage a coherent sentence, it's hard not to think of Obama who could probably not give the time of day if he has no cue cards.
lucm, indeed.
"prosecuting people arrested at inauguration day riots "
Showing up with clubs, hammers and then proceeding to smash/burn storefronts, cars, limos and anything else is NOT protesting.
you fascist fuck.
Could you point out the parts of my comment that, according to you, are fascist? Or maybe you mistakenly believe that "fascists" are simply people who disagree with you?
Like many of your liberal peers, you display an interesting combination of intolerance and ignorance. Who would have guessed that Donald Trump was all it took to have you people drop your masks of civilized supporters of democracy and freedom.
lucm, indeed.
I am just having fun with this thread. Shall I talk about Nepal?
Because of the way their visas work, it doesn't cost a whole lot to go to Nepal. By the way, Nepal has a bunch of crazy import and export restrictions. They WILL examine your electronic devices for messages, including those that are considered subservient and are posted online or by email.
Keep in mind, I love Nepal. I have been there twice, once for an extended visit.
Now, the longer your in Nepal, the more it will cost you. If you want to climb K2, or Everest, you're going to want financial aid. It gets worse, if you want to interact with locals beyond the Sherpa. Plan on $250/day, if you want permission to film and visit remote villages.
I don't have a problem, but it's vital to know this, I think. I had a visa application in. I'm a secular Buddhist and can pay any fees they ask. They had a pretty good earthquake. Seriously, it was pretty good. I think I posted about it here, on Slashdot.
I tried to send them money. I was denied. I tried to get them to speed up my visa process. I was denied. I tried to send money ahead, as they require you to put some back into the local communities if you're on a tourist visa. I was denied. I tried to pay for a second and third visa. I was denied. I tried to send the agency some money, I was told not to because it would cause problems.
Eventually, I got to go back for a week and was pretty much limited to going to the specific monastery and only that. I could do no outreach and could not go to the city to help. I am a secular Buddhist. Previously, I'd gone to Nepal every couple of years. I haven't been back since 2015.
The second to last time, we went and bought some horses. We traveled for a bit. It was like an extra $250/day, after paying the bribes. I love Nepal, and I love the people. However, it isn't all people see, to think it is. If you want an example, go look at the rules and costs, just to climb Everest. And no, no, they aren't going to come rescue you or retrieve your body.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
It's difficult to take the moral high ground about the Democrat loss when the Republican candidate won. A man who is not only willing to appoint personal friends and even family members to positions of power, but doesn't even try to hide it.
"Let's all show up with wearing black masks and black clothes so the one who smashes stuff cannot be identified", "Whahhhhttttt. You are arresting all of us in black masks and black clothes."
I am the American left. I haven't associated with the liberals or progressives, for quite a while. I'd like to apologize for their behavior, not that it will help.
This doesn't mean I side with the right. It does mean I understand their confusion. My side is full of hypocrites and liars. Your side is too, but I am doing the important step of admitting the guilt on my side.
I am sorry for the identity politics. I am sorry that they tried to force views on you, by means of curtailing your speech. No, really... I am going to say the worst of it. I'm sorry that some of the people who spoke, on your side's behalf, we're cut down for being racists. I am even sorry if they were curtailed AND they were racists.
I am not kidding. I'm sorry that they shouted down racists and told them that they weren't allowed to speak. I don't believe you are actually racist. You might be, we won't know because you've been told you can't tell us.
I am the left. We have a lot in common. Tell your friends that we still exist.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
The thing is, that's who he is. He decided to become President, and did it pretty much by himself with the help of family and friends, and with his own money. He had a tiny team of volunteers compared to Clinton; his own party didn't want him there and tried to get rid of him even after the primaries.
He's been like that his whole life. We're talking about a guy who literally fought for decades with bureaucrats to develop some land that he bought in NYC. He's not a sweet-talker that sugarcoated his way to power. He's in-your-face, doesn't-bend-over kind of guy. He doesn't try to hide things because that's who he is.
But there's more to the guy. Have you seen this thing that happened at a debate during the primaries? He saw that Carson was confused and stayed back to let him make a dignified entrance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
First time in forever that there's a WYSIWYG president. It's refreshing, it's not the end of the world.
lucm, indeed.
You are clearly nowhere near stupid enough to believe that, so what is your game here? Why are you insulting the intelligence of all readers here no matter what their political views?
I'm no fan of Hillary and some things from the Manning leaks showed she was unfit for office, but what's with the delusionary shit above?
What do you think I will do?
Image of moderate importance.
Now, which side do you think I'm on?
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
I have also been to Nepal. I walked to Kala Pattar from the Rai areas, rather than flying into Lukla. It cost me less than $10 a day.
"To any truly impartial person, it would be obvious that I am right."
No matter what you do you'll always know the vast right wing conspiracy fucked you good and hard.
No, Progressives' own dishonesty, corruption, elitism, and arrogance fucked them good and hard. They were hoisted by their own petard, as it were. If they weren't criminal primary-rigging sleazebags no amount of email leaks or hackers, Russian or otherwise, could have damaged them like we saw happen in 2016. An opened bag of stale, moldy potato chips found alongside the road could have won vs HRC.
It's as if they finally listened to all the liberty-loving people who've been telling them to go fuck themselves, and they actually went and did it!
Strat
Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.
Smashing windows in fed buildings in downtown DC carry's heavy fines ..like smashing windows in a post office or a mail van or FBI building etc ..and in the end did it do any good? it was like a triple failure
that Starbucks was renting from the federal government
I had a friend who was 83 years old he CCW into a post office and someone noticed a bulge in back of his jacket ..at 83 he went to jail ..feds do not play
Post that to the GP dude.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
You say you want me to understand why the american left lost you, and you call yourself the american left. You give no reasons, but whine about me not being politically correct to the right wing.
So no, I don't think I need it spelled out, it is crystal clear what is going on. Remember to vote December of 2026 and good luck to you.
Sorry, I see that you did. My bad.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
various people got arrested for things like sneak attacks with a bike lock to the head
Again, you're complaining about trivial crimes compared to the murders and hate crimes the right is pulling. If you're going to criticize the left, where's the criticism of the far worse right?
A not inconsiderable number were fake, especially the most notorious
Are you denying that there have been an increase in right-wing hate crimes without any evidence to support that claim becasue some of them were faked?
There have been some accusations from the right wing about leftists attacking them that turned out false, so I guess we can dismiss all the claims about liberals trying to silence rightists too.
Who ever said anything about a death list? He was talking about why Bill was impeached, which was accurate.
Just a precision, although I'm starting to get tired of being a bit of a Trump apologist. He hasn't always been surrounded by rich people. His father had some made some money being a landlord in blue collar neighborhood but wasn't immensely wealthy; at his death, his estate was worth $20 million. Now, that's good money but that's far from the 8 billions Trump is currently worth.
When Trump got started in "real estate", he was actually collecting rent money for properties owned by his father or himself, and also did a few fixer-upper. That's how he learned the business. It has taken him years to get in the "let's buy a skyscraper" business, and he didn't get there by winning the lottery. Hard work.
lucm, indeed.
Such empty pompous bombast was revolting. He complained more about the evils of "Political Correctness" than he offered real policy.
Ok, now that you're done with your tantrum, let me explain to you how politics work in this day and age.
You go on stage and you say: "I plan to improve the economy by 4% by having a responsible fiscal policy and make long-term investments in education". The guy next to you says: "I'm going to get every hard working American a brand new pickup truck and I'll make those Volkswagen crooks pay for it."
Now, the media has maybe 45 or 60 seconds to cover the debate before people get bored and switch the channel to HBO. What do you think will be the focus of the new report? Put Trump on the air, and you get people to keep watching.
That's how Trump managed to win the primaries and to beat Clinton while having a single campaign office and a tiny budget compared to hers. Hammer out a few messages that sound shocking and you're on the air 24x7; make sure that some of those messages talk to "the salt of the Earth" voters that Clinton ignores because they're in the wrong states, and make sure to address the stuff that truly bothers them (like getting fucked in the ass by Obamacare) and bang, President Trump.
And when in office, he can totally dial down the crazy talk while still keeping the persona for when it's needed. The guy totally understand stardom and played the media like a fiddle.
lucm, indeed.
My guess... the DoJ will pull everything can off the phones and then say they determined they had enough evidence they didn't need to analyze the phones and hence there's nothing for them to submit as part of discovery. As long as they don't directly reference something they found on a phone, they'll get away with it. It's easy enough to do. They find an incriminating email, they just subpoena the provider for the email. Same for text messages. They'll just have to prove how they knew that person's email/phone address without access to the phone. Given how most people splash their contact info all over the place now, it shouldn't be that hard.
There are two reasons I think they'll do this... the most obvious is they don't have to disclose how much they actually do know and second an analysis of what they could and couldn't pull off 100-150+ phones could give some indication of just how good (or bad) their phone cracking is and they don't want that known (either way)
Brady still applies and even for evidence that the investigators know and the prosecution does not but you are right, prosecutors routinely withhold exculpatory evidence. The latest dodge I have seen is prosecutors deciding that the evidence was not exculpatory so it did not need to be disclosed but how can the prosecutor know that? Well, it does not matter because there is no penalty for them if they were wrong. If the coin comes up heads, the prosecutor wins; if the coin comes up tails, then the defense loses.