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US Banks Launching Answer To Peer-To-Peer Payment App Venmo (reuters.com)

The U.S. banking industry is about to launch its answer to the popular mobile payments app Venmo. "Over the next week, five of the largest U.S. banks will light up their segments of a new payments network called Zelle, executives said in interviews," reports Reuters. "They plan to announce details of the launch on Monday, and expect another two dozen banks and credit unions to join over the next year." From the report: The long-awaited network will allow tens of millions of bank customers to send money to each other instantly - known as person-to-person payments - with a few taps on their smartphones. That is an improvement over Venmo, which immediately alerts users that a money transfer is in progress, but takes time to shift funds between bank accounts. Customers who use existing bank payment apps may not notice much of a change beyond marketing. Transfers will simply happen faster because the banks are finally linking to each other, executives said. JPMorgan, Bank of America Corp, Wells Fargo & Co, U.S. Bancorp and Capital One Financial Corp will be the first to plug into Zelle.

43 comments

  1. the first hit is free by turkeydance · · Score: 3

    back in the day....the banks PAID you to try their ATM.

    1. Re: the first hit is free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back in the day... it was called ISIS.. wonder what went wrong with it

    2. Re: the first hit is free by dougdonovan · · Score: 1

      i look forward to an atm dispensing exact amounts. i get tired of dealing with stupid people standing in another line.

  2. what is the fee for this? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    what is the fee for this?

    1. Re:what is the fee for this? by turkeydance · · Score: 1

      it's free now. for now.

    2. Re: what is the fee for this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Venmo has no fee and it's instant to send money, but pulling money out takes one business day. There is no way they try to put a fee on this. Chase quickpay has been around for a while now, I just hope this is actually instant instead of the few hours "quickpay" takes.

    3. Re:what is the fee for this? by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 3, Informative

      They may never be able to charge for this, just like they've never been able to charge monthly account fees for checking accounts. But like checking accounts, they probably will attach strings to the service, like, you have to have a recurring direct deposit every month.

      The main reason they can't ever charge outright is competition. There will always be another bank that will make it free.

    4. Re: what is the fee for this? by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 2

      Only way this wins over venmo is if:

      - Transfers between bank accounts happen truly instantly, i.e. no ACH waiting, and completes within one minute. This is 2017 god dammit.
      - No need for it to "clear" on the other end. If the sender's funds aren't available, then they just can't fucking send it. So this means no possibility of scamming in a manner similar to check kiting.
      - A process available to get money back if it's a scammer (i.e. make western union or moneygram style fraud impossible.)

    5. Re:what is the fee for this? by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      Not every bank gives free checking, most of the ones that do have stipulations attached to that. Free checking didn't even become a thing until the 80's when deregulation occurred that allowed for that and for checking accounts to yield interest.

    6. Re:what is the fee for this? by MrLogic17 · · Score: 1

      > just like they've never been able to charge monthly account fees for checking accounts.

      You've been under a rock for too long. Most banks will charge you monthly fees just for the privilege of having an account, unless you jump through some hoops for them. (higher balances, having a loan through their bank, etc)

      I look forward to the day that I can dump my bank and handle my money with direct transfers. (I haven't set foot in a bank branch in years. They don't have anything I need.) Now that I think about it, I haven't had a positive experience with a bank or credit union in a very, very long time. The best I can say that they haven't made me angry in a couple months.

      Services that just do P2P transfers should have less regulation, overhead, and be more responsive to change. And more competition. Bring on the creative destruction!

    7. Re:what is the fee for this? by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 1

      If you're paying bank fees, I'd say you need to start shopping around! There are way too many free choices out there, to be stuck paying fees. I haven't paid account fees for decades.

    8. Re:what is the fee for this? by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 1

      It's true that not every bank offers free checking. But if you're a customer of one of those banks, it's time to shop around, because there are plenty of banks that do.

  3. Amazing they took this long by DeplorableCodeMonkey · · Score: 2

    I can't believe it never occurred to a lot of executives in the commercial banking sector to do this. It would be a great way to make PayPal-like income without having to go through the credit card process. If they set up a system where you could define like 5 people where no fees would apply for personal transactions, it would be a hit with families.

    1. Re:Amazing they took this long by whoever57 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The US banking sector is way behind what is available in most European countries.

      For years, people in the UK have been able to make payments direct (and near instantaneous) to another bank account with no fees.

      The simple fact is that all the alternative payment methods involve costs that the banks must absorb. A simple and highly automated, customer-driven payments system reduces the banks' costs. This type of system is a win for banks even if there are no fees involved.

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    2. Re: Amazing they took this long by sanf780 · · Score: 1

      Let us not feed the trolls! Every country has its own share of problems.

    3. Re: Amazing they took this long by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They really don't, unless you've been drinking all the Putinbot kool-aid that's been pissed into Slashdot a whole hell of a lot more lately since the election cycle.

    4. Re:Amazing they took this long by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      For non-commercial transactions, Venmo is already free. So it's a hit with everybody, not just with families. And you're much more likely to have someone in your circle of friends suggesting that you install that application if you can use it for ALL your friends and family.

      That being said, that new service is not competing directly with Venmo. I believe it's really competing with existing wire transfers. The fact that their transactions will be near-instantaneous (and therefore probably incontestable) may make it riskier to use. And therefore, it may be targeted by scam artists more readily (like they target gift cards and Western Union more readily).

      But because traditional banks are very risk-averse and are lead by risk-averse executives, they'll probably require security in favor of usability. So I'm really not expecting much from that project in terms of usability (if the bankers themselves are the ones commissioning it).

    5. Re:Amazing they took this long by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No fees? You sound like an unAmerican communist! Deport this guy at once!

    6. Re:Amazing they took this long by Hugh+Jorgen · · Score: 0

      You mean the CIA exploited SWIFT? Zelle is underpinned by Early Warning in Phoenix, rest assured it's not about anything other than further data mining of financial transactions.

    7. Re:Amazing they took this long by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      US banks and credit unions have the pleasure of waiting on Congress, Federal Reserve, FFIEC, FDIC, and NCUA. /s Quite often, banks and credit unions have to wait for FDIC and NCUA to interpret the regulations. Awaiting NCUA interpretation is one of the reasons credit unions were much later in deploying EMV cards. Another, for many credit unions, is the cost to implement EMV is more than 3 years of fraud costs.

    8. Re:Amazing they took this long by houghi · · Score: 2

      I live in Belgium. Payments to other people is the same day (I think by law). However if you do it to a company it takes 3 days, (2 if with the same bank)

      Why two days to a company? Here is the answer as far as I know:
      When the Euro came, the politicians wanted to simplify banking around Europe, so they introduced, among other things, the IBAN number. This is your bank account and to that everybody can send money to everywhere.

      They first did the personal accounts and that was put into law and now that happens really fast and cheap. They where working on the same things for company accounts, but then some idiots flew a plane into a building. Now the Americans wanted to see what money was transefered and that resulted in a delay. Obviously the banks do not want to rush things and want to keep that money to work with.

      All in all, besides the delay and the fact that the US knows where money goes to, it all works great.

      My parents lived in Spain and when my mom died, we brought my dad to Germany with a Dutch abulance service. Money was transferd during these fays between Germany, Belgiun Spain and The Netherlands without an issue as if they would have been at the same bank.
      My dads pension, from several different companies in different countries he lives in arrive like clockwork. All we needed to do was send proof of the new bank account and that was it.

      This has been the case since several years now. In fact so luch that I am looking to put my savings in another country. With online banking the need of having it in your own country is less needed and the interest cab be a little bit higher. Laws are almost identical all over the place and banks work in multiple countries anyway.

      On a sidenote: when I first started with Internet Banking, the bank asked me to pay them 1000BEF (40EUR) per year for the pleasure of needing less staff and have things done automatically. So I changed to a bank (Citibank then) that did it for free. I am not rich enough that the possible difference in interest would have a huge impact on me.
      Other side note: A friend many years ago wrote a checque when he took out money at the bank. To the banks he told it was easier for him to do his administration. The real reason was that they where not allowed to charge anything and it costed them a shitload of money.

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    9. Re:Amazing they took this long by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The first financial institution in the United States to implement EMV -- by years -- was a credit union: UNFCU.

    10. Re:Amazing they took this long by tattood · · Score: 1

      That being said, that new service is not competing directly with Venmo. I believe it's really competing with existing wire transfers.

      This is directly competing with Venmo, Google Wallet, PayPal, etc. The whole idea is all you need to know is someone's mobile number or email address and you can send them money. Their website even gives the example of splitting a check at a restaurant, which is a very common use for Venmo.

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  4. Name the 5 least Trustworty Banks in the USA by Templer421 · · Score: 2

    That would be......JP Morgan, Bank of America Corp, Wells Fargo, U.S. Bancorp and Capital One.

    1. Re:Name the 5 least Trustworty Banks in the USA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This should be modded way the hell up. Fuck these banks.

  5. Timmy and Apple Ink Will Fight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) Patent Lawsuits launched in North America, UK, EU, Africa, China, South America, Southeast Asia and Australia will allege blatant IP theft by the Banks.

    2) Short-term, Timmy will require 35% booty pay to him on all transactions amounts after Apple Ink takes a cut in the App Store.

    3) Timmy will fund his Queer friends network in IS (Islam State) to conduct kidnapping and ransom of Bank Executives with the provision that the Executive is killed after ransom payment is received by Apple Pay.

  6. What is the catch with Venmo? by sanf780 · · Score: 3, Informative
    I am reading the legal piece on the Venmo website. Venmo is owned by Paypal. They have a 3% fee that is usually waived except for when funds originate from a credit card. Venmo may limit how much money you can send and receive. They can investigate any transaction and cancel it at Venmo discretion. If the recipient does not create an account and/or receives the transfer, your money may be held up to 30 days. Venmo can take money from your bank account. In the reverse situation, Venmo does not automatically send the money to your account - this is a separate action you need to take. If you have a business account, there is a limit on how much money you can withdraw but there is no such limit on the money you may receive.

    On the privacy side of things, they get your Facebook credentials and the accounts you relate to in Facebook (let me not call them "friends"). They may use the information to promote other products to you. And you may publish all of your transactions online or just let the people you know know, for whatever reason you can think of.

    So far, I only see the 3% fee on credit cards. The held funds do not "typically" give the Company any interests, although they have the right to do so. I might have missed something on the privacy side of things. Is what I listed all the revenue that Venmo gets? Seems somewhat low.

    1. Re:What is the catch with Venmo? by mentil · · Score: 1

      Sounds just as bad as vanilla Paypal.

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  7. nobody wants your crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    sorry but you are obsolete

  8. and hte online world says.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ummmm....WHO FUCKING cARES...

  9. Oh yeah, Venmo's soo slow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is an improvement over Venmo, which immediately alerts users that a money transfer is in progress, but takes time to shift funds between bank accounts.

    How is that worse than banks? Banks' "instant transfers" are immediately removed from source accounts but don't go into the destination accounts until the next business day - or 3 to 5 business days for cheques.

  10. early warning is the google of banking by Hugh+Jorgen · · Score: 0

    invasive and some serious data mining going on all under the guise of security and convenience.

  11. Banks are for suckers by DogDude · · Score: 1

    Banks are for suckers. They're like casinos: they always win, and you, eventually, always lose. Use a credit union and ignore what the banks are doing.

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  12. I love callfire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    #innovationjam #ilovedineshravishanker

  13. Re:Banks are for suckers (CU's aren't any better) by MrLogic17 · · Score: 1

    Credit unions sound nice and all, but I've found that for even basic services the staff is incompetent.
    - There's a credit union I use that I can't login to their on-line site. Every time I reset the password, it locks out the next day. Their online password reset tools don't work- you have to call the branch and beg a teller to reset you. That process takes about a week. Been that way for years. They can't figure out why.

    - I tried to close a checking account at another CU. Went into the branch, did the paperwork. Month later, got a statement. Account still open. I went in again, and closed it again. Couple months later, got a letter from them saying that they made a mistake, and I had to go to their branch (in working hours), and close it a 3rd time. Sent them a very angry letter, saying I wasn't responsible for fixing their mistake - especially when they'd done it 3 times in a row. Never heard from them again. Not even an apology.

    - I'm looking for a CU to replace my bank's ovderdraft line of credit. Best I can find in my area is a CU that will gladly transfer my money from my savings (not a loan, mind you), to my checking for $35 per transfer. Gee, who would turn that down?

    I know some folks swear by Credit Unions because they are "not for profit" - but there's a level of competition they are missing that keeps them from being able to successfully handle the most mundane and basic tasks.

  14. Re:Banks are for suckers (CU's aren't any better) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds more like the ones in your area suck. Where I'm at and up North where my grandparents live, the CUs are not as incompetent as you claim.

    My stepdad had bad experiences with banks, but that mostly boiled down to the individual branch and the staff. I'm not going to blanket all of them for those experiences (though we all know big banks are a scam).

  15. Stone age.. by vasanth · · Score: 1

    Wow you guys live in the 1st world with stone age banking.. here in India I'm able to transfer and clear payment from any bank/account to any other bank/account within seconds (ok maybe 30 seconds) for free 24/7 even on a bank holiday.. I can also set up a virtual payment address similar to an email that will remain the same even if I switch banks and the virtual pmt address can be anything I want similar to email addresses..

  16. Good. Now eliminate the personal check by hwstar · · Score: 1

    Near instantaneous payments which are reliable should help eliminate the personal check. One of my pet peeves is the occasional person who still writes personal checks in store checkout lines. The whole reason why a few people still write personal checks in checkout is convenience for them, and the illusion that there's still a float period.

    1. Re:Good. Now eliminate the personal check by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't be to happy about instant bank cash transfers, when the real cash is eliminated and all transactions are electronic then there is no escape from banking & government and hackers monitoring services and if somehow you end-up on the list... boom, can't do anything since you electronic record was just zeroed out, eliminated. Don't say it cant happen since it looks we are actually going there...

  17. Re:Banks are for suckers (CU's aren't any better) by DogDude · · Score: 1

    Sounds like you got some bad luck, indeed. We run millions of dollars a year through three different ones and we have really great service and really low fees & low interest on loans at all three of them.

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  18. History by AdamAnderson8866 · · Score: 1

    First they came for our newspapers, and I said nothing. Then they came for our broadcast networks, and I said nothing. Then they came for our taxi industry and still I said nothing. Finally they came for our banks and when I called out..... everyone cheered and it was awesome...