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11 States Sue Trump Administration's Energy Department After Weeks of No Movement On Efficiency Standards (go.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from ABC News: New York, California and nine other states sued the Trump administration Tuesday over its failure to finalize energy-use limits for portable air conditioners and other products. The new standards would reduce greenhouse gas emissions, save businesses and consumers billions of dollars, and conserve enough energy to power more than 19 million households for a year, but the U.S. Department of Energy has not met a requirement to publish them by now, according to attorneys general who filed the lawsuit (PDF) against the DOE in federal court in San Francisco. That means the standards are not legally enforceable. The other states in the lawsuit are: Connecticut, Illinois, Maine, Vermont, Washington, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Oregon and Maryland. The City of New York is also a plaintiff. The energy efficiency standards at issue in the lawsuit also cover walk-in coolers and freezers, air compressors, commercial packaged boilers and uninterruptible power supplies. There is currently no federal energy standard for air compressors, uninterruptible power supplies or portable air conditioners, according to the lawsuit. The lawsuit seeks a court order requiring the DOE to publish the new standards as final rules.
Good. The existing program is useless. Maybe they can do something more useful with the money, time and effort than try and have the Federal government dictate what energy use standards should be.
The party of stupid and the party of evil get together and do something both stupid and evil, then call it bipartisan.
That's just bone-headed. If you want to manufacture a new energy-efficient whatzit, go right ahead. No one's stopping you.
"We receive as friendly that which agrees with, we resist with dislike that which opposes us" - Faraday
Good plan. I wish I had bought some gas cans before federal regulations ruined those, too.
and the Tragedy of the Commons would like to respectfully disagree.
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The new ones with "automatic" spouts leak all over the fucking place... The regular old kind are much better.
You must be fucked off Obama took all your guns too.
So it saves enough energy to run 19 million households for a year... And then what happens? These fucking reporters don't know the difference between power and energy. This is fucking high school physics...
Idk about OP, but I have plenty of guns in my closet. Obama didn't change that.
Since this is Rick Perry, well known here in Texas for basically doing nothing, this is no surprise. Perry also could not remember that this was a dep't he wanted to get rid. He later demonstrated that in fact, he had no idea what the thing did.
Hilarious. The GOP controls the Presidency, the House, the Senate, and has a Supreme Court stacked in their favor... Yet all they can do is blame the Democrats. How about using your party's monopoly of government to actually accomplish something, instead of whining all the time?
Can you tell us where in the "alinsky playbook" that strategy exists?
Here's a PDF of the entire Rules for Radicals. Please enlighten us.
https://chisineu.files.wordpre...
You are welcome on my lawn.
Instead of implementing these standards at the state level and taking responsibility for the consequences - they want the Federal government to impose these standards and ALL states so they can simply pass the blame on to the Federal government.
These states know if they implement these standards within their borders they will suffer economic consequences - so they want all states to suffer equally at the hands of the Federal government.
http://www.politico.com/story/...
"I say we take off, nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
No one else gives a crap!
You, sir, have fallen into the Chasm of Sar.
General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
Ok, I see "save businesses and consumers billions of dollars", so everybody wins, nobody loses, right? So why exactly does this need to be legislated? If the business making the product saves billions, the consumers save billions, why do you have to enforce this profit making by all with laws? Even if the manufacturer doesn't save billions, why wouldn't consumers choose to buy the product that will net cost less? Or is it "it will save consumers billions, but cost them few more billions?".
If there's one thing I've learned in my 25 years in the software business, it's that common standards are better than mutually incompatible competing "standards".
It really doesn't matter who does it, as long as it happens.
I know, it's hard to RTFA, but let's be clear on what's happening here.
The DoE is legally required to have published the standards by now. It hasn't done so. This is not "pass[ing] laws from the bench". This enforcing laws already passed by the legislature.
If you don't like this, campaign to get the law changed. Be angry all you like, but be angry at the right target.
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Except that, at least in some cases, the price and life-cycle cost of refrigerators and AC goes down with energy-efficient standards. In particular, look at the kinks in figure 1.
But of course the senior author on this paper was involved in a pretty big scandal so maybe we shouldn't take the results too seriously. But at least he responded to the allegations.
Government shutdowns are an unfunny joke. Employees get a paid vacation, and only a select few government services are actually cut - those services chosen to make the most people angry. It's a farce designed to apply political pressure; noisy fools scaring cowardly politicians.
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Obama executive orders are NOT law, get over it. The states have no standing because what they are arguing is NOT US law, it is just what Obama declared.
You want efficiency standards on consumer items? Publish and enforce them yourself.
Let's say your a small company, doing will in the local scene and want to expand to neighboring states. It's not so fun to learn that they would have different standards which make your product illegal. It works a lot better for common markets to have the same standards.
Energy efficiency standards are an interstate problem, because pollution is an interstate problem. Money may flow into the state with the least regulation, but pollution will certainly seep out.
Also, slavery was not eliminated by letting the states do what they want, actually a very strong central government had to do that.
What modern civilizations were you studying?
My air compressor doesn't have to interoperate with yours. The efficiency of my window air conditioner does not affect the efficiency of yours. Analogies to software standards of interoperability are laughably irrelevant.
My high school history textbook doesn't have to interoperate with yours, either, but for some reason most publishers are only producing ones that satisfy the needs of Texas politicians as opposed to actual history education.
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The antidote for corruption and abuse of the legislative system is anti-corruption enforcement. Not anarchy.
Of course if we had it, Trump would have been in jail decades ago, so I'm not holding my breath for any progress there.
Someone had to do it.
Wrong. DOE standards updates are required by the Energy Policy and Conservation Act and Energy Policy Acts
42 USCS 6201.
42 USCS 13456.
42 USCS 16103.
42 USCS 6322.
Someone had to do it.
The antidote for corruption and abuse of the legislative system is anti-corruption enforcement. Not anarchy.
Not that I advocate for anarchy, but I find your stark cognitive-dissonance absolutely breathtaking in expecting the government, the one that you, yourself, said was corrupt and the legislative system abused, to actually enforce the laws (that they're already breaking!) on themselves!!
Bravo, sir! A stunning display!
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Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.
Let's say your a small company, doing will in the local scene and want to expand to neighboring states. It's not so fun to learn that they would have different standards which make your product illegal. It works a lot better for common markets to have the same standards.
Nothing stops the States from forming some sort of commission in order to harmonize standards between each other where needed. The Feds could even provide various resources, guidance, experts, and data to help.
On average, the more local the law/regulation is, the more efficient, low-impact, and cost-effective it is, and so more people will be inclined to participate, raising compliance and therefor better-fulfilling the initial goals of the law/regulation.
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Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.
Wrong. DOE standards updates are required by the Energy Policy and Conservation Act and Energy Policy Acts
And?
What recourse do the courts have if the Executive Branch simply ignores/stonewalls them? Remember, the Executive Branch enforces laws, not the Judicial Branch.
There *is* precedent set by Andrew Jackson:
"John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it." -- Andrew Jackson on Worcester v. Georgia
That's not even taking into account law/decision-flouting and stonewalling by relatively-recent past administrations.
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Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.
I've seen the danger of an overly powerful central government ... The cities are handing over their authority to a central government ...
I've seen the danger of an overly powerful central government ... The neighborhoods are handing over their authority to a central government ...
I'm not necessarily trying to disagree with this logic, but I've always been curious why Americans think that the state level should be the ones with the power? Why is the fed worse? And if we agree that the fed is worse, then why is the city level not better? What's special about the state level, beyond purely "because America did it that way so 'Murca!"?
Yep. The whole "checks and balances" plan kind of falls flat when Congress is more interested in covering the president's ass than being an independent branch as the constitution intended.
The GSM network that most countries use doesn't count?
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nah, he stole all their bullets...at least that was the conspiracy "theory" floating about 1 or 2 years before the election. I wonder what he did with them all...
Publish and enforce them yourself.
Nothing bad has ever come from having 11 different set of standards each applying to a very small portion of the population.
But sure you could do that, then maybe you'll look to what your colleagues across the Atlantic did. They determined that it was madness and all formed a union of sorts in Europe.
You could have the same. You could form a Union. A Union of States ... In America! Imagine that, the "United States of America".
To this day Trump still has to hire thousands of appointees that work in the various departments. No wonder why no work gets done when nobody is there to run the shops. Worst case is the department of finance, inept Mnuchin is the only one in the management and leadership level. It clearly showed in the various international meetings where he was unprepared and totally clueless. Given that Trump's only agenda is to destroy government, he is doing a fine job. His plan on creating an oligarchy of the top1% is on target. Thanks to all those morons who voted this idiot into office. Did you get your mining jobs back already?
Gotta fill up all those FEMA coffins from the Bush administration somehow
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
Democrats at least get that done...Republicans can't agree on anything in their utterly dysfunctional state. The Republicans have the majority in House and Senate plus the White House. If things do not get done there is really only one group to blame. Take a guess who that is!
Yes, but they are scattered around in the leftover minefields. A bit of a high risk endeavor.
It's OK, the mines are Italian :-).
"I forget the third one"
If you think someone isn't free to have a different definition of "freedom" you may be a tyrant.
It is infuriating how much spillage is caused by the modern can designs..
DoE manages all nuclear weapons, nuclear materials handling and security, and nuclear weapons research as well. It's the direct descendant of the Atomic Energy Commission. We probably don't want to disband that.
Well, it isn't like there wasn't a lack of effort on his and his administration's part to do just that....
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
Actually, I'd rather they just whine all the time instead of accomplishing things.
When someone says, "Any fool can see
Well, then let's just whittle down their responsibilities and powers to JUST the nuclear oversight.
And to re-enforce this move, maybe rename them back to the Atomic Energy Commission and just leave them at that.
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
Words that don't appear in that article: criminal, lawsuit, Alinsky. How does it answer the question at all?
Looks like there are a similar number of Ds and Rs on there...
I have some with newer spouts that seal up automatically. I had a hell of a time pouring with them, it made a mess and got everywhere.
Then I happened to see a demo of similar products. If you put the spout into the gas tank opening before you engage the release, it doesn't spill and it shuts off when you let go of the release, so no drip. I like it way better then the old ones. I just had to learn how to use it.
Cheap storage VM.
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Cheap storage VM.
Your describing the Common Core Education standards, and underestimating the depth of stupidity in America.
Cheap storage VM.
The program doesn't appear to do what it purports to do:
https://hardware.slashdot.org/...
This is a case where no government would be better than completely ineffective government.
I'm willing to bet that Trump will delay via executive order, like Obama did with parts of Obamacare, at which point the left will say "You can't do that!" and the right will pretend it's different when they do it.
"Pulling together is the aim of despotism and tyranny! Free men pull in all sorts of directions" -- Havelock Vetinari
Yeah, but if the company has to make one AC unit for my state, and a slightly different one for your state, that will surely make them cheaper, right? Asshole.
They don't have to do that now, so why should it change? Oh yeah, because we need to create more bureaucratic red tape.
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Yep. I just unscrew the spout and use a funnel. Can be a bit hard to see into the tank to avoid overflow but you get used to it quickly. Way better than trying get those stupid spouts to actually cut on and off correctly without leaking all over the place through the sides of the anti-spill mechanisms.
Oh, but one kid got burned from spilling gas...
A real bad guy once wrote “The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.”
If being efficient is cheaper, the successful businesses will trend towards that.
This premise is wrong, and considering it is the linchpin of all your arguments, there's no use listening to you.
Someone had to do it.
expecting the government, the one that you, yourself, said was corrupt and the legislative system abused, to actually enforce the laws
I know we live in a culture of disposable crap, but with structures as big as government, it is more effective to fix the broken machine than suffer the process of replacing it.
Also, it has happened before. Witness the Civil Service Reform Act.
Someone had to do it.
No "And". Just that people post wrong shit on the internet, and other people trust some random idiot on the Internet because "hey, nobody would be stupid enough to think state AGs know whether or not the law they are suing under is in effect unless it was one of those bizarre but-true-things, right?" And that's how we end up with large swaths of the country living in alternative realities.
Someone had to do it.
It's OK, the mines are Italian :-).
LOL - but so true.
Truth is like the sun. You can shut it out for a time, but it ain't goin' away. - Elvis Presley (source: imdb.com)
I have some with newer spouts that seal up automatically. I had a hell of a time pouring with them, it made a mess and got everywhere. Then I happened to see a demo of similar products. If you put the spout into the gas tank opening before you engage the release, it doesn't spill and it shuts off when you let go of the release, so no drip. I like it way better then the old ones. I just had to learn how to use it.
Try doing that on a small 2-cycle engine where the "engage and release" mechanism doesn't get triggered by the tank of the 2-cycle so you have to manually hold it open if you want to put gas into the 2-cycle engine.
Or accessing the tank of a normal engine with the short 3" spout on a 5g can. Sure the engage and release mechanism works well, but you can't reach the tank with short spout.
Honestly, all this crap on redesigning them to have (a) short spouts and (b) improper fluid flow since the air and fluid go through the same nozzle is jut ridiculous. Spilled far less with a proper gas can, longer nozzle, and separate air flow valve than I do with these crap cans where it's nearly guaranteed to get gas on the engine, surrounding surfaces, ground, etc. - even my hands and gloves.
Truth is like the sun. You can shut it out for a time, but it ain't goin' away. - Elvis Presley (source: imdb.com)
After all, he claims that never has there been an administration that has gotten so much done. So much. Except for this.
Easy answer: We don't think the regulation is good and therefore are abandoning it. It will never be published.
You can't force the Executive to create a regulation. The Judiciary does *not* have that power. Congress does by making a statutory regulation in the form of Law. Judiciary can only say that the regulation is not within the Executive's ability to perform (it's illegal) for whatever reason. That is the separation of powers.
Though I wouldn't be surprised if some liberal activist judge decided they could force the Executive to do something the Executive didn't want to do - but don't expect it to hold up at SCOTUS. This is one lawsuit the States should lose for very obvious reasons.
Truth is like the sun. You can shut it out for a time, but it ain't goin' away. - Elvis Presley (source: imdb.com)
...it is more effective to fix the broken machine than suffer the process of replacing it.
The problem is that too much auxiliary crap has been hooked into the machine, to the point that the original core is barely if at all visible and the machine tasked to purposes the machine was never designed for, and all this crap has taken on a life of it's own and infects any parts not already suborned.
You'll never fix the machine, hell you'll never be actually able to get to the actual machine to do *anything* meaningful, until you un-crap-ify it first. It's much easier, faster, and takes less effort to change the course of a destroyer than an aircraft carrier.
If you want a good, generally non-corrupt, responsive, and caring government, then that government must be small and weak enough for those in it to actually, truly, fear the anger of citizens.
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Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.
I'd have bigger problems to worry about under a small weak government. Like having my life savings stolen by all the criminals.
Someone had to do it.
I'd have bigger problems to worry about under a small weak government. Like having my life savings stolen by all the criminals.
No, you would not. Stop with the absolutism. Not every part of government gets equal resources and funding nor identical increases/decreases in them. If anything, being able to devote more resources to effective enforcement due to reductions in government spending in other areas plus a reduction in duplicative bureaucracy and the red-tape they engender would mean *more* criminals are caught quicker, and with lower overall costs.
Now, that program to fund studies that put shrimp on tiny treadmills? Yeah, we can much better use that money elsewhere. Like government oversight and ethics enforcement. (I know, the shrimp-study is old, but it gets the point across and I don't have time to search for the latest ridiculous gov. program that you know are out there in droves)
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Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.
Mine have a relatively long nozzle, but I found them in dumpster so I have no idea if they are sold anywhere.
Looks like they might have been recalled. I'll have to check; https://www.cpsc.gov/Recalls/2...
Cheap storage VM.
First off, compressors *are* used in refrigeration systems.
Second, OP was essentially saying, "regulation ruins things," and I provided a counter-example which, although specific to certain types of devices, maybe -- just maybe -- applies to other devices, too.
Do you think there's something magical about refrigeration systems that makes them the one thing in the universe that behaves backwards to the "regulation ruins things" concept?
Stop with the absolutism.
Stop with the psychological projection.
Personally I think a couple of grand to fill in some missing variables on the behavior of a food species is probably a good buy.
Someone had to do it.
And California would like to have a word with TotC and T.P.D.
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Etymology Man would like to note that that's the precise reason they're called "jerry cans", "Jerry" being a somewhat respectful slang term for "German" in the British Army, similar to "Charlie" in the Vietnam War.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
That won't work, the Court knows better. The regulatory power of the DOE was given by Congress, with instructions on how to use it. The President, while he has power to appoint and administer, does NOT have a say in every regulation; Congress made those requirements. He also cannot direct a court to decide in his favor. The only president that approved DOE regulations, is the one that ratified the original enabling laws. If the DOE has inert or obstructive leaders, the donald could certainly fire them quickly, but the court can hold them in contempt also. The donald and his appointee at DOE are NOT in legal control of the DOE mission.
It was actually quite disrespectful, originating in the term "jerry-built", because post WWI Germany was reduced to exporting shoddy products in order to try and recover from the financial black hole it was in.
Yeah, the cheap knock offs of the safety cans used at industrial sites leak and break very damned easily
NRRPT/RCT
Yes, but in WWII the British Army respected the Germans, so "Jerry" was grudgingly respectful. Since the "Jerry cans" were good, they wouldn't be called "Kraut cans", which would be disrespectful. It's a case of differing meanings getting frozen in slang terms.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
"LOL Only because they learned it from the GOP which was named the "Party of No" for most of the Obama years. You reap what you sow!"
"We need to get this bill passed so we can see what's in it!" - Nancy Pelosi
"You can keep your doctor." - Barack Obama
With governing like this, who wouldn't have obstructed some of the previous admin's efforts?!?