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Supreme Court Rules Sex Offenders Can't Be Barred From Social Media (gizmodo.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Gizmodo: In a unanimous decision today, the Supreme Court struck down a North Carolina law that prevents sex offenders from posting on social media where children might be present, saying it "impermissibly restricts lawful speech." In doing so, the Supreme Court asserted what we all know to be true: Posting is essential to the survival of the republic. The court ruled that to "foreclose access to social media altogether is to prevent the user from engaging in the legitimate exercise of First Amendment rights." The court correctly noted that "one of the most important places to exchange views is cyberspace." The North Carolina law was ruled to be overly broad, barring "access to what for many are the principal sources for knowing current events, checking ads for employment, speaking and listening in the modern public square, and otherwise exploring the vast realms of human thought and knowledge."

114 comments

  1. Unanimous?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Too... many... unanimous... decisions... head... exploding...
     

    1. Re:Unanimous?!? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

      Too... many... unanimous... decisions... head... exploding...

      Historically, most SCOTUS decisions have been unanimous, and the proportion has actually been growing in recent years.

      Most decisions are either 9-0 or 5-4. The 9-0 decisions are common when it is a matter of the law, as in this case. The 5-4 decisions are common when it is a partisan issue.

    2. Re:Unanimous?!? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Informative

      Sorry, I flubbed the cut-and-paste for the citation. Here it is: Most decisions are either 9-0 or 5-4. Scroll down for a graph of 9-0 vs 5-4 decisions.

  2. Bummer by 110010001000 · · Score: 0, Troll

    So I guess half of the people here are still able to post.

    1. Re:Bummer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Were you worried that your 75 y/o ass would be banned?

  3. Great News for Slashdot Crowd! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looks like you boys will be back in the "swing" of things!

  4. I always wonder where they get all those kids... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Okay, so I have the "KIK" app installed in my Android emulator. So how do you find kids to groom? Impossible. These pedophiles must be geniuses or something. Same thing with Facebook, for example. You can't search for people -- you have to already know them IRL.

  5. So, how long before it happens again? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Right now, some politicians are planning how best they can pass a new law that will do exactly the same, but be just different enough that it can be tied up in court for a few years before being struck down.

    Sex offenders are perhaps the most reviled people in the US. Any law which causes them difficulty is an easy pass with overwhelming public support.

    1. Re:So, how long before it happens again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      politicians are a close second and closing fast. will definitely overtake them to be 'most reviled' by the time the next mid-terms roll around.

      lawyers, of course, are right behind; followed by the kardashians, lobbyists, communications company executives, and media industry organizations.

    2. Re:So, how long before it happens again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Politicians ARE the sex offenders.

    3. Re:So, how long before it happens again? by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 2

      Sex offenders are perhaps the most reviled people in the US. Any law which causes them difficulty is an easy pass with overwhelming public support.

      Actually, politicians are the most reviled people in the US and it's damn near impossible to get any law to limit them in spite of overwhelming public support. :)

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    4. Re:So, how long before it happens again? by sexconker · · Score: 1

      I'd rather live next to a sex offender than live next to a politician, just as I'd rather live next to a "gun nut" with a vast arsenal of weaponry than live next to a cop.
      Don't even get me started on rabid raccoons vs. Floridians.

    5. Re:So, how long before it happens again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, politicians are the most reviled people in the US and it's damn near impossible to get any law to limit them in spite of overwhelming public support.

      Just move somewhere with the ability for the public to pass a law by plebiscite.

      We'll call it "Proposition: Put all Politicians Where They Belong" and probably get 200, maybe 300% of the vote.

    6. Re:So, how long before it happens again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This.

    7. Re:So, how long before it happens again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      right now the lgbt people are trying to add pedophiles to the list.

  6. Re:Republicans always side with freedom... by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    Plus slow internet and Microsoft laid off their QA department and Seattle stuff.

  7. Talking real big about social media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Leaving out how few people in this country actually use it at all.

  8. Gorsuch makes his mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Look for numerous unanimous decisions like this going forward. This guy is going to make SCOTUS great again with his consensus building activities. I bet he could talk Justice Alito into voting for installing a transgender bathroom in the building.

    1. Re: Gorsuch makes his mark by kenh · · Score: 2

      I bet he could talk Justice Alito into voting for installing a transgender bathroom in the building.

      assuming classical party-lines, Republicans would have no issue with a 'Trans-specific' bathroom, it would be liberals that would find it offensive.

      As a reminder, the issue that this country obsessed about an embarrassingly long time was with the requirement that transgender individuals to use bathrooms that conform with what's between their legs...

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    2. Re: Gorsuch makes his mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Really, the issue was how rural NC and Charlotte were at odds over how tax revenue should be distributed to rural counties and urban municipalities and how much power Charlotte should have vs. the state legislature in Raleigh. Transgenders just happened to be a convenient battleground, but it was a power struggle between Charlotte and Raleigh, not between Democrats and Republicans. If you read the coverage of the compromise (see NPR on it), you'll find that the state won by imposing a moratorium on any municipal anti-discrimination measures.

    3. Re: Gorsuch makes his mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      %special interests% bathrooms....

      What the FUCK!!!??? Why can't we just stick with a unisex / family restroom and be done with it. Shit, you could be ET himself and whip out a few tentacles for all I car. Not a single motherfucker what, or whom, enters a single restroom.

      Get over it you cocksuckers!!!!

    4. Re: Gorsuch makes his mark by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      I bet he could talk Justice Alito into voting for installing a transgender bathroom in the building.

      assuming classical party-lines, Republicans would have no issue with a 'Trans-specific' bathroom, it would be liberals that would find it offensive.

      As a reminder, the issue that this country obsessed about an embarrassingly long time was with the requirement that transgender individuals to use bathrooms that conform with what's between their legs...

      Bathrooms don't have to be gender specific. Like in almost every bathroom in every residential house or apartment everywhere.

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    5. Re:Gorsuch makes his mark by Arnold+Reinhold · · Score: 1

      From ruling: "GORSUCH, J., took no part in the consideration or decision of the case."

    6. Re: Gorsuch makes his mark by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Republicans wouldn't have an issue with spending public money on someone's "lifestyle choice"? What about when they realize you need three extra bathrooms, one for trans men, one for trans women and one for gender non-conforming individuals?

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    7. Re: Gorsuch makes his mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      assuming classical party-lines, Republicans would have no issue with a 'Trans-specific' bathroom, it would be liberals that would find it offensive.

      Even though I somewhat agree with what you said, I highly doubt that Republicans would actually propose the idea of specific gender bathroom. They, however, tend to go toward "cannot use *specific gender* bathroom if *insert conditions*" route instead because it is more direct to their constituents' interest and easier to make it a big news.

    8. Re: Gorsuch makes his mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Republicans wouldn't have an issue with spending public money on someone's "lifestyle choice"? What about when they realize you need three extra bathrooms, one for trans men, one for trans women and one for gender non-conforming individuals?

      You only need three total. One for "I was born with a dick". One for "I was born with a pussy". And one for "I want to play pretend and make other people uncomfortable but that makes them bigots and transphobes and I am morally superior".

    9. Re: Gorsuch makes his mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm guessing your twin sister would be using the one labeled "I was born with a dick"?

    10. Re: Gorsuch makes his mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Republicans wouldn't have an issue with spending public money on someone's "lifestyle choice"? What about when they realize you need three extra bathrooms, one for trans men, one for trans women and one for gender non-conforming individuals?

      You only need three total. One for "I was born with a dick". One for "I was born with a pussy". And one for "I want to play pretend and make other people uncomfortable but that makes them bigots and transphobes and I am morally superior".

      Nah, we only need one "bathroom".

      It's considerably more efficient, and anyone who'd actually thought about it for like a couple minutes will have realized that as nobody actually enforces the rules now, and modern bathrooms have individual stalls there is no actual need for rules regarding segregating bathrooms.

    11. Re: Gorsuch makes his mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm guessing your twin sister would be using the one labeled "I was born with a dick"?

      Oops. Someone got butthurt. Do I detect a tranny?

    12. Re: Gorsuch makes his mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wasn't born with a twin brother who is a dick, so no, I'm not "butthurt".

      The way you're crying in your pillow over trannys suggest you're the one that's "butthurt". What's the matter, was "her" cock a little to tight of a fit for your asshole?

      And, no, I am most certainly not a tranny. You wouldn't even fucking recognize one, if they were pissing in the stall next to you.

  9. Got to like a Unanimous decision by gurps_npc · · Score: 0

    Makes one feel better about this country.

    Pity so many people think have so much evil in their heart and the desire to blame it on someone that society considers an acceptable victim (sex offenders).

    When you want to know someone's deepest, darkest, thoughts, ask them to describe their enemy.

    Ask an innocent child to do this and they talk about someone stealing toys. Ask an alt-right person and they talk about other races secretly taking over the world.

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    1. Re: Got to like a Unanimous decision by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nonsense. The child's deepest, darkest fear is that its parents might force it to be vegan. Either that, or that there aren't enough transgender stalls in the bathroom at school.

    2. Re:Got to like a Unanimous decision by gurps_npc · · Score: 1

      Did you not read all of my comment? I repeat - To know someone's deepest, darkest thoughts, ask them what their enemy thinks.

      You have revealed what your own deepest, darkest thoughts are. Thanks for the warning.

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    3. Re: Got to like a Unanimous decision by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if we were meant to be vegetarian/vegan/wtfEVAR, we'd be chewing cud like cows. Moo.

    4. Re:Got to like a Unanimous decision by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unlike the entire left who want to give you more free stuff with the stipulation that you vote for them so they actually can take over the world.

      I might vote for the right, if you stop worshiping Ayn Rand and acting like the god-damn-taliban.

    5. Re:Got to like a Unanimous decision by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like how it never even occurs to you that the left might want to give people free stuff so that they can have better lives.

      You all make it very easy to tell who the selfish assholes are.

    6. Re: Got to like a Unanimous decision by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, well, if you said it in a comment then of course it must be true, mustn't it?

      Not to mention, why doesn't this immutable truth of yours apply to you when you talk about how horrible and evil the "alt right" are?

    7. Re: Got to like a Unanimous decision by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Has it ever occurred to you about where those 'free' stuff comes from?

    8. Re: Got to like a Unanimous decision by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, Repug. Free stuff costs money. Someone's got to pay for it, including you.

      Get over it, already.

    9. Re: Got to like a Unanimous decision by rholtzjr · · Score: 1

      No, they don't. That is what makes this hilarious in their remarks.

  10. Sounds like the right decision by AuMatar · · Score: 0

    Something narrower- say making it illegal for them to send direct or group messages to a minor, or to make friend requests/add them to groups would seem to be a reasonable law. Barring them altogether prevents them from interactions with adults. And then we get into the whole question of what counts as social media (would a website with a forum be social media? The comments page on a newspaper article? Again this could be very broad).

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    1. Re: Sounds like the right decision by kenh · · Score: 1

      To be enforced how? How many teens or or-teens gave their real age when they signed up to Facebook, twitter, etc?

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    2. Re:Sounds like the right decision by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would be very surprised if there are no restrictions on grooming and soliciting minors. Why take it further? What's the point of restricting group messaging, and what's the point of this decision if such a near-unavoidable action will end in punishment?

    3. Re:Sounds like the right decision by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or nothing at all dumbshit! No more laws. Just catch the people doing the crime that is already a crime for fucks sake.

    4. Re: Sounds like the right decision by kenh · · Score: 1

      Teens or Pre-teens

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    5. Re:Sounds like the right decision by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      It's a blanket ban on people who have served their time for their crimes, most often minor offences that got them put onto a list. I have no problems with such provisions being put onto bail or parole for specific persons but not on people who have already served their sentence. These can be places on people who sent a nude selfie or urinated in public just as easily as committed rape.

    6. Re:Sounds like the right decision by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      How about a minors only internet, running on an separate encrypted protocol. Minors gain access via a student card and teachers and authorised authorities gain access via educators cards and all unlicensed adults are forbidden under threat of criminal penalty. Safe and sure, reason it will not happen, psychopathic marketing companies would no longer be allowed to psychologically target, attack and manipulate children to feed the psychopathic greed of corporate executives.

      There should be two internet separated by specific protocols, one for adults and one for minors.

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    7. Re:Sounds like the right decision by AuMatar · · Score: 1

      And how do you define grooming and solicitation? Is just a message to one on a social media site enough? A series? Laws like this are how you define what's punishable and what isn't. If you left it at only the laws from the 80s (or whenever last defined it), you could end up with a situation where by the letter of the law only a telephone call counts, but websites and text messages don't (because they didn't exist at the time and the letter of the law isn't wide enough to include them). Its not just "well this seems like grooming to me", that isn't an enforceable statute.

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    8. Re: Sounds like the right decision by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      I have a funny story for that.
      Inwas camping in france with a group of friends and French guy with a 4 or 5 year old daughter joined us (married to a maroccean lady).
      The girl wanted to use my iPad to go on facebook.
      She only had grandmas and grand dads as friends and her profile picture was not herself (don't remember what it was), surprisingly she spoke english, too. Anyway when I looked a bit questioing what she does on my iPad on Facebook she said: "you know, we can put our real age into facebook. That would make a lot of trouble!"
      All the grandmas and granddadies where actually her 4 - 8 year old kid friends.

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    9. Re:Sounds like the right decision by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And how do you define grooming and solicitation?

      Consult your local lawyer.

      If you left it at only the laws from the 80s (or whenever last defined it), you could end up with a situation where by the letter of the law only a telephone call counts, but websites and text messages don't (because they didn't exist at the time and the letter of the law isn't wide enough to include them).

      That is not the situation; soliciting minors (or even someone you just believe to be a minor) online is illegal.

    10. Re:Sounds like the right decision by AuMatar · · Score: 1

      And this is what the local lawyer consults. The lawyer doesn't guess at it, the legislature defines what it is. This is part of that definition process.

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    11. Re:Sounds like the right decision by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      In the US, the legislature writes the law and the courts define what it is. Our legislators apparently can't be bothered to make the laws well-defined enough to get along without case law.

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  11. Whew! by kenh · · Score: 1

    Dodged a bullet with that decision...

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  12. When too much punishment is never enough... by Slugster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In the US--pursuing child molesters is the last bastion of the bureaucratic tyrant. No right is beyond revoke and no punishment too severe to stand in the way of "protecting the children".

    My local police (like many in the US) has a special web page showing convicted sex offenders.
    There is no page showing convicted murderers; somehow the normal public record of that was enough...
    What's wrong with this picture?...

    1. Re:When too much punishment is never enough... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My local police (like many in the US) has a special web page showing convicted sex offenders.

      My neighbor is on the list ... for having sex with his wife. At the time, he was 18 and she was 15. Her parents disapproved and called the police to break up the relationship. He got probation, but still went on the list for life. They were married on her 18th birthday. Her parents didn't come to the wedding.

      Because he is a "child molestor" he cannot go to PTA meetings, parent-teacher conferences, or even step foot in a school.

      Their son is my son's best friend. Do I worry about him playing at their house? Of course not.

      I am not sure if the sex offender list is a good or bad idea in principle, but the way it is actually implemented is idiotic.

    2. Re:When too much punishment is never enough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His case would be an excellent one to pursue through the courts and bust apart this idiotic system. Would he consider doing so?

    3. Re:When too much punishment is never enough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's no surprise; people are exceptionally protective of their kids. It is a basic part of human instinct. Sometimes it is from stupid things like video games, tabletop RPGs, rock music, or comic books. Sometimes it is from very real and very dangerous people who would not hesitate to cause harm to children if given the chance. While I agree that some things like public nudity or urination should not be considered sex crimes, if you hurt kids, what are you expecting?

      That having been said, IMO the simplest solution is to just keep them locked up for life. Free up the room by letting all the harmless non-violent drug offenders out.

    4. Re:When too much punishment is never enough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Convicted murderers are in prison. Sex offenders are living on your street.

    5. Re:When too much punishment is never enough... by sexconker · · Score: 2

      Convicted murderers are often released early, or released once their sentence is up.
      The "sex offender" brand is for life. If someone's dangerous they should still be serving their sentence. If someone has served their sentence they shouldn't be treated as criminals.

    6. Re:When too much punishment is never enough... by ArylAkamov · · Score: 4, Informative

      There is no shortage of stories like this. What I find personally enraging is when minors and children are added to the list.

      http://www.businessinsider.com...

      The teenager was listed as both the victim and the perpetrator on the sexual exploitation charges.

      http://www.thedailybeast.com/t...

      North Carolina authorities arrested a 16-year-old girl in February for committing two felony sex crimes against herself when she sent a nude photo to her boyfriend

      I think the worst one I remember reading about was two 11 year old girls added to the list. Political biases of the links above aside (Not that there is any shortage of similar stories if you search) I think we can all agree this is fucking stupid.

    7. Re: When too much punishment is never enough... by Nidi62 · · Score: 3

      I've always loved the mental gymnastics that the government does when they charge children as adults for child pornography when they share naked pictures if themselves.

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    8. Re:When too much punishment is never enough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, take his word for it. Everybody in jail is innocent too, somebody just tossed a few pounds of cocaine in their bags when they weren't looking.

    9. Re:When too much punishment is never enough... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Sure, take his word for it.

      There is no need to take his word for it. Criminal court documents are public records.

    10. Re:When too much punishment is never enough... by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      In the US--pursuing child molesters is the last bastion of the bureaucratic tyrant. No right is beyond revoke and no punishment too severe to stand in the way of "protecting the children".

      Another reason this is asinine: treat someone as if they were (still) guilty of something long enough, and they might just decide to hell with it, they might as well be guilty of something. Which is just a brilliant position to put a sex offender into.

    11. Re:When too much punishment is never enough... by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Well, probably the thing is that murders are just humans having made a mistake, while sex offenders clearly are monsters that will rape, pillage and murder...oh, wait.

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    12. Re:When too much punishment is never enough... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Was about to write something similar, regarding 'idiotic' laws in the US.
      In Europe in most countries we have also a bit arbitrary laws regarding that. In Germany it is more or less like this: both partners need to be above 14 (which is actually also the legal age for marriage if both sides parents agree), if one partner is 21 or above, the other one needs to be 16 at least. Of course prostitution is forbidden for people below 18.

      The idea that you can only have sex when you are over 18 (as in many US states) or drink alcohol when you are over 21 (all? or only many? US states) sounds completely alien to europeans.

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    13. Re:When too much punishment is never enough... by guises · · Score: 1

      There's some rhetoric floating around making the claim that the majority of people who have committed sexual crimes are that way by nature. In other words: the sex offender label is an inseparable part of their character, rather than just a description of something which they did in their past.

      If you watch this lecture by David Lisak, for example, while he exudes rigor and professionalism, he does seem to hold to this viewpoint and does his best to defend it. The only qualifier in that lecture is a single sentence about prison, perhaps, changing people in this respect.

      It feels like a familiar line of thinking, though I'm not sure what to call it. It's not eugenics, since no one is claiming that this is purely a genetic problem. Though Lisak, above, does claim that it's established at a young age.

    14. Re:When too much punishment is never enough... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      This reminds me of when suicide was illegal. If someone survived a suicide attempt they would be charged with a crime against themselves and sent to jail.

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    15. Re:When too much punishment is never enough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In many areas suicide is still illegal. The cynic in me says it's mostly because if you commit a felony, the state can legally seize your assets. Making it a felony, not only do they get your stuff, but conveniently there isn't anyone around to argue.

    16. Re:When too much punishment is never enough... by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      I think successful suicide should be a capital offense.

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    17. Re:When too much punishment is never enough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find the entire idea of committing a felony against oneself to be a perversion of justice.

      The law is there to protect me from you assholes, not myself.

  13. As a formerly registered "sex offender"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As a formerly registered "sex offender" (I plead out because they found a nasty loophole in the law that forced me to make a shitty choice) I have turned a very attentive ear to these issues for a very long time. Ever since the 90s the internet has become an extension of the in-person world and "social media" has become a major component of participation in society at large. These laws that ban sex offenders from social media effectively ban them from society and participation in it, greatly increasing the risk of new crimes. Sex offender laws need to be clawed back. Registration needs to be completely discarded; it has no value when objectively examined over the 25+ years that it has existed and causes more harm than good across the board.

    The best way to reform convicts that are not heavily mentally unbalanced (most offenders are one-time offenders and don't go on to have a long rap sheet, after all!) is to help them build social safety nets and positive relationships. To do something other than pursue those specific goals is to intentionally harm society at large.

    1. Re:As a formerly registered "sex offender"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When your daughter gets raped by a first-time offender who isn't registered for obvious reasons, you'll feel so much better that you had that list of people that only sexually reoffend up to 6% within 10 years. Way to go, stupid.

    2. Re:As a formerly registered "sex offender"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Absolutely agree. If you are a danger to society, you belong in jail. If you have served your time, or didn't get time - you don't belong on a list.

    3. Re:As a formerly registered "sex offender"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Yeah, no thanks pal."

      Way to cite the example of how you or someone close to you were absolutely protected by someone being registered. Really, it was very enlightening.

    4. Re:As a formerly registered "sex offender"... by swell · · Score: 4, Interesting

      A good friend is on the list. Where I live, anyone can look him up by name or location online. There you will see his photo, current address and a brief description of his 'crime'. Of course he has to keep this data up to date at all times.

      "sex offender" seems to be a euphemism for something involving children. I don't think regular rape gets you on the list. Children are special, of course. My friend, during difficulties with his wife, was accused by her of 'touching' their daughter- age around 10. He was convicted without much fuss and put on the 'list'.

      The reality is that his wife lied. He was and still is best friends with his daughter- now a young adult and they frequently spend time together. But he remains on the list and there seems no way for him to get off. For the rest of his life he will be branded, in public, and all his neighbors will suspect him if not worse.

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    5. Re:As a formerly registered "sex offender"... by guises · · Score: 2

      I don't think regular rape gets you on the list.

      In the US it varies by state, but no: there's a whole host of things which can get you registered as a sex offender. When I lived in Louisiana I had a neighbor who was registered as a sex offender - the description on the card that he had to give to people was that he had "committed a crime against nature." In reality, he had paid a prostitute for oral sex. No children involved.

    6. Re:As a formerly registered "sex offender"... by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Awhile back, I got free ID protection due to a breech, and one of their services was to notify me whenever someone on the sex offender list moved into the area. I was always getting those notifications, and I wondered how many of those were cases like your friend, or an 18-15 romance, or even someone taking a whiz behind the bush.

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    7. Re:As a formerly registered "sex offender"... by Cederic · · Score: 1

      I don't think regular rape gets you on the list.

      I suspect it does, given what else can..
      http://www.businessinsider.com...

    8. Re:As a formerly registered "sex offender"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rape is a sex offense in all states. Kidnapping is a sex offense in many states too, even if the kidnapped is an adult and is not harmed at all.

    9. Re:As a formerly registered "sex offender"... by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      These laws that ban sex offenders from social media effectively ban them from society and participation in it.....

      That is so much bullshit. I agree with this ruling, but stupid hyperbole like this really doesn't make a good case for why this law needed to be struck down. This is about the only social media I engage with. And even then it's not really often. I am not banned from society. In fact, the reason I'm not really on social media is because I'm way too fucking busy for that. And no, I'm not in mom's basement. I'm flying around the country on business. I'm doing shit in my community.
       
      Anyone who thinks that social media is required for participation in society is fundamentally broken. Go outside, and say hello to society in person.

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    10. Re:As a formerly registered "sex offender"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you agree that at least 94% of the time nothing will ever happen.

    11. Re:As a formerly registered "sex offender"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That does not follow from what I said. I said that out of the entire population of registered sex offenders there will be roughly 6% of them that sexually reoffend within 10 years of release from incarceration. For 700,000 current registered sex offenders in the US, that's 42,000 of that group that will sexually reoffend at least one more time within 10 years of release...which sounds like a pretty big number until you look at the population count and realize that this group of statistically certain recidivists is only 0.129 percent of the US population and suddenly the actual risk is more like a stupid joke. Over the same 10 years there will be 300,000+ fatal car crashes, 1/3 of which are caused by drunk drivers. Just by those numbers, you and your kids are more than twice as likely to be killed (that means dead, not harmed but still living) in a car crash by a drunk driver than sexually assaulted by a registered sex offender.

      The more interesting question is this: how many registered sex offenders were not registered sex offenders before the first offense where they were convicted and were then required to regsiter? The answer is 100 percent, obviously, and that's the point to take home here. You'll spend all your time trying to force the sex offender across the street to move away while the gym teacher or the uncle is repeatedly fucking your daughter in the ass right under everyone's nose. Actually, forget the uncle; women who molest children are practically never caught because no one suspects them, so they can molest with abandon. Your wife might be diddling the neighbor's four-year-old in the bathroom for all you know, and you'll never think anything is suspicious because she is female.

    12. Re:As a formerly registered "sex offender"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most jobs are obtained through networking.

      No social media presence is bad for job seekers.

      Watch this Moxie Marlinspike talk from 9m-13m. Replace "cell phone" with "social media." That's the problem in a nutshell: you can CHOOSE not to have a cell phone or a social media account, but that choice is also a choice not to participate in society.

      It's great for you (and only you) that you already have a nice job where you are kept busy and live happily. It's great that you're old enough to have been able to cultivate a network without using any social media other than Slashdot. The real world left your kind behind a long time ago. Your logic is the same logic used by people who think that most poor people are exclusively poor because they choose to be lazy and entitled. Because things COULD be even worse, you say that things must be fine and the person shouldn't complain. Followed to its natural conclusion your position is "you're not dead so you shouldn't complain."

      The only rational response to people who think the way you think about the plight of others is "fuck you, asshole."

  14. Re:Republicans always side with freedom... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Says the lifetime NAMBLA member.

  15. Stranger Danger by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    Sex offenders on social media will make them easier to track.

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    1. Re:Stranger Danger by rmdingler · · Score: 1
      Dateline has exactly zero trouble enticing otherwise upstanding citizens to date a 15 year old... over and over again

      They run the same honeypot trap around where we live a couple of times a year on social media with no shortage of arrests at the end of the investigation.

      If you're looking for something illegal on the internet, try to remember that law enforcement is, too, and their budget & experience likely top yours.

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    2. Re:Stranger Danger by sexconker · · Score: 1

      No shortage of arrests. But what about convictions? The "To Catch A Predator" series is a farce. Some of the things are outright faked, some of them are complete and obvious miscarriages of justice (such as when as producers are running the "investigation" and not the cops), and otherwise they often fail to get convictions because no actual crime is committed - the person they're communicating with from the "Perverted Justice" (very apt name, by the way) and planning to meet is not an actual minor, but an adult who pushes for the meet up.

      And why do they agree to "have a seat over there"? Because they get $$$ for agreeing to be interviewed by Chris Hansen or whoever else. In a real investigation / sting operation, the cops would move in immediately and arrest. They wouldn't wait for an interview with some non LEO to take place. The producers pay money for those interviews, thus funding their legal defense if charges are ever brought.

      They do get convictions in certain instances, but the number of "repeat offenders" on the show should be enough to tell you that it's a bad joke overall.

    3. Re:Stranger Danger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Dateline has exactly zero trouble enticing otherwise upstanding citizens to date a 15 year old... over and over again

      that to me says, fucking a 15 year old, shouldn't be a crime.

      > If you're looking for something illegal on the internet, try to remember that law enforcement is, too, and their budget & experience likely top yours. .... or they'll just manufacture it. do you have any idea how many "child molestors" aren't sex offenders? they're people in possession of pornography, under a strict liability law. there is no actual crime because there is NO VICTIM.

      here's a hint: real child molestors, don't pick 15 year olds. REAL child molestors, don't need an audience.

      get a clue. the entire justice system is broken, beyond repair. when you can get charged with a crime AGAINST YOURSELF, this is no longer about rights of citizenry; this is about naked, corrupt power over yourself.

    4. Re:Stranger Danger by rmdingler · · Score: 1
      DA's refusal to prosecute many of the cases illustrates your point.

      To Catch A Predator is a ratings gambit much like the Dateline shows that catch contractors scamming the public.

      Nonetheless, the format clearly catches the entrapped in situations that might be uncomfortable to explain.

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    5. Re:Stranger Danger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is biologically totally fine to be attracted to any girl that is pubescent. When they start having periods and developing secondary sexual characteristics, they're A-OK in nature's book to have sex and babies with. The problem is that we're hard-wired to want to have sex with young people but we've also collectively pushed the minimum acceptable age to have sex artificially higher than that. The double standard comes when modeling is examined: most models start their careers up while they are young adolescents. It's totally okay to have 13-year-old girls modeling sexy things but it's totally not okay to think they're actually sexy.

      The fun little story behind the age of consent in America in particular makes it seem even more ridiculous. Most places settled on a minimum age of 10 years old when the laws started to become specific about age around the globe. Imagine the outrage if the age of sexual consent was lowered to 10 in America today! Here's where the truth behind the big boosts in age of consent laws starts to come out of the cracks, though. Feminists in the early 1900s started the "social purity movement" to control female sexuality which was really just older women not wanting to have to compete with more attractive younger women for male attention, and of course the easiest way to do that is to dog the men until they make those laws happen to shut the nagging feminists up so they can sleep at night. Feminists in the early 1900s used the exact same arguments to outlaw sex with people under 16-18 years of age that were used to rationalize denying women the right to vote, citing things like emotional and mental immaturity.

      Guess what? When the age of consent floated around 10-12 years of age, the law made perfect sense based on the reality of nature. Child (as in pre-pubescent child) sexual abuse has been illegal for a long time. Age of consent laws as they exist today are directly contrary to the way human sexuality works. They exist to reduce sexual competition for older women; everything we've been told about how "it's damaging because they're not adults" is scientifically unsupported bullshit created to bolster the position. The real source of trauma from most adolescent sexuality with older adults is the same as for rape victims who come forward and tell people. It comes from the way they are treated "specially," like they're damaged and can't possibly handle normal life anymore. Being labeled a sexual victim in Western society causes everyone who finds out to socially exile you. Treating them as such fragile broken flowers to try to make it easier for them to cope has the insanely ironic effect of absolutely destroying their psyche long-term, especially in the case of completely consensual adolescent sex acts that are prosecuted over the protests of the adolescent participant(s).

  16. Because... by drew_92123 · · Score: 0

    They don't wanna get banned from the interwebs when they get eventually caught...

  17. Think of the children! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Think of the children!

  18. Ruth Bader Ginsburg by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1

    Look for numerous unanimous decisions like this going forward. This guy is going to make SCOTUS great again with his consensus building activities. I bet he could talk Justice Alito into voting for installing a transgender bathroom in the building.

    I rather think that Ruth Bader Ginsburg would hold her own in that discussion.

    1. Re:Ruth Bader Ginsburg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Only if there are enough bathroom breaks. Well unless she switched to Depends. Then maybe she could hold her own.

  19. Trump? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Too bad we can't ban him from Twitter.

    We saved the bathwater, now we can't throw out the baby!

  20. Gorsuch did not participate in this one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While I expect that it would've remained unanimous, if you read the entire PDF of the court's decision, he took no part in this one. Quoted from the court's decision [PDF]:

    KENNEDY, J., delivered the opinion of the Court, in which GINSBURG, BREYER, SOTOMAYOR, and KAGAN, JJ., joined. ALITO, J., filed an opinion concurring in the judgment, in which ROBERTS, C. J., and THOMAS, J., joined. GORSUCH, J., took no part in the consideration or decision of the case.

    1. Re: Gorsuch did not participate in this one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And he's humble, too.... pretending not to have anything to do with this decision. What a great appointment President Trump made here. If crooked Hillary had been elected we'd be stuck with whoever was willing to pay the most for the seat, unless she decided to give it to a transsexual to pay off the SJW voters.

  21. THANK YOU MASTER by kelanos · · Score: 0

    Thank you for giving me my rights, master, your permission is most valued to me

  22. Re:Republicans always side with freedom... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll bite. If it is so dangerous to let someone post on the internet, why is that person not still in jail?

  23. Re: I always wonder where they get all those kids. by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

    Just asking for a friend, right?

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  24. Re: I always wonder where they get all those kids. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Asking for myself.

  25. Re:Republicans always side with freedom... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Were that true, all the stupid security theater laws would be repealed as they restrict freedom.

  26. Calif many years ago "cleared out" their list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Somewhere around 1980 or 1995, sorry, bad memory, California did a weeding of the state sex offender list.
    At the time they deleted a lot of old consensual homosexual conduct, but also a lot of other things that decades before were considered perversion, immoral, or criminal, but had since become 'ho-hum.' (Not, I am not describing a sex act, just something boring.).
    On of the problems at the time time was the list was cluttered up people who were zero risk of doing anything to harm anyone (other that prudes sensabilities).
    A single list for all sex crimes is just dumb.
    I hope now the lists can be searched for details. (Again, not a part of anatomy...)

  27. The main problem with the sex offender list ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... is that is full of "offenders" that are no more than young guys that were caught having consensual sex with their younger girlfriends.

    The list does not differentiate between a serial rapist and a just turned 18 year old kid who slept with his sexually active 15 year old girlfriend.

  28. Re:I always wonder where they get all those kids.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Okay, so I have the "KIK" app installed in my Android emulator. So how do you find kids to groom? Impossible. These pedophiles must be geniuses or something. Same thing with Facebook, for example. You can't search for people -- you have to already know them IRL.

    It seems that team sports are the best environment for children to find an adult to groom them and visa versa.

  29. Well executed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm impressed! My complements to the fine faculty at whichever esteemed Troll University you attended.

  30. Comment by WallyL · · Score: 1

    I thought the terms of service for many social media sites state people under a certain age are not allowed to use those services.

  31. HA HA! Your tears are delicious. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now for more calls against personal freedom, the rule of law. the justice system and the Constitution from our crybaby snowflake lefties.
    Your tears are delicious, keep 'em comin'.

  32. Pointless and Wasteful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Republicans wouldn't have an issue with spending public money on someone's "lifestyle choice"? What about when they realize you need three extra bathrooms, one for trans men, one for trans women and one for gender non-conforming individuals?

    At my University, they relabeled a couple of bathrooms as "anything goes" during the whole "bathroom bill" nonsense going on in the press. I suppose it was to make the LGTBQwhatever cabal happy. Now it might as well be the Korean DMZ. Nobody steps foot there. I asked around once and the consensus from females was that they avoided it like the plague. I figure it's just a matter of time until it becomes the favorite hook-up spot for the gays due to its seclusion. The last bathroom on campus that received that honor had all the doors removed from the stalls.

  33. Re:Republicans always side with freedom... by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

    Don't tell that to the 1 million innocent Iraqis murdered for WMD lies
    Nor the American Citizens interrogated for non-existent Terrorism links
    Nor the "Free citizens" banned from living in low-cost housing due to a separate person's misuse of illegal drugs
    Nor the victims of the Patriot Act nondisclosures
    Nor the women who have lost birth control / abortion access
    no, it looks like repigs are all about "Safety" and care nothing about freedom.