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Scientists Discover How To Stop Luggage From Toppling On the Race Through the Airport (theguardian.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Guardian: Scientists have worked out why suitcases tend to to rock violently from one wheel to the other until they overturn on the race through the airport. This most pressing of modern mysteries was taken on by physicists in Paris, who devised a scale model of a two-wheeled suitcase rolling on a treadmill and backed up their observations with a pile of equations and references to holonomic restraints, finite perturbations and the morphing of bifurcation diagrams. Fortunately for non-physicists, the findings can be reduced to simpler terms. For the suitcase to rock it had to hit a bump or be struck in some other manner; the faster the suitcase was being pulled, the more minor the bump needed to set it off. So far, so obvious. But Sylvain Courrech du Pont wanted to know more. Why did a rocking suitcase swerve and make such violent movements that it might eventually topple over? After more treadmill tests and more equations, the answer popped up: because a suitcase's handle pulls from the middle and the wheels are at its sides, the suitcase swerves inwards whenever it tilts up on one wheel. If the rocking overcomes the dampening effect that happens when each wheel touches the ground again, the suitcase will keep on rocking or eventually flip over. In conclusion, the researchers discovered that "when a suitcase starts to rock out of control, the correct response is not to slow down but to pull it faster." The scientists have published their findings in the journal Proceedings of the Royal Society.

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  1. Or just get one that has 4 wheels by chuckugly · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Or just get one that has 4 wheels and don't look like a dork

    1. Re:Or just get one that has 4 wheels by mnemotronic · · Score: 4, Funny

      Mine has 11.

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    2. Re:Or just get one that has 4 wheels by ad454 · · Score: 2, Informative

      actually I prefer two-wheeled suitcases, but they are nearly impossible to buy new.

      stores nowadays just sell four-wheeled.

      unfortunately four-wheeled suitcases suck over rough ground, especially over cobble stone sidewalks common in Europe, with their tiny plastic wheels that easily break.

    3. Re:Or just get one that has 4 wheels by BeauHD+(4450103) · · Score: 0, Troll

      Are you talking about your "vibrating rabbit" that has 11 "pleasure beads" inside? I still have NO IDEA how those japs think that is a good idea and the TSA guys (my dad was one when I was growing up) can spot them 1 mile away on the XRAY scanner because of all the dots that show up inside a penis with a rabbit on the side.

    4. Re:Or just get one that has 4 wheels by Scoldog · · Score: 2

      Mine has hundreds of little feet. It also never gets lost!

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    5. Re:Or just get one that has 4 wheels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Turn it up, mate.

    6. Re:Or just get one that has 4 wheels by arth1 · · Score: 0

      How about buying luggage without wheels, and carry it? I know, what a preposterous concept.

    7. Re:Or just get one that has 4 wheels by ad454 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not all women are weightlifters.

      Most including myself have difficulties carrying nearly 23 kg (50 lb) over long distances quickly, through public transit, long sidewalks, crowded places, etc., along with a separate carryon.

      Keep in mind that when is travelling overseas for a month or more, in strange and undeveloped places, with different dress codes, and in different climates, you need to carry a lot with you that you cannot easily buy there. Not to mention that the custom in many places to bring thoughtful gifts from your home.

    8. Re:Or just get one that has 4 wheels by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Because doing more work unnecessarily is for retards. I'm old, too, and I remember hauling old-fashioned suitcases around. There is a reason that roller bags took off.

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    9. Re:Or just get one that has 4 wheels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most including myself have difficulties carrying nearly 23 kg (50 lb) over long distances quickly

      That's about as much as I bring on a kayak trip - including the kayak.

    10. Re:Or just get one that has 4 wheels by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      I'd be happy if people would so that at least with their CARRY-on luggage!

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    11. Re:Or just get one that has 4 wheels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      But how much do you bring on your trips to Irrelevant Valley?

    12. Re:Or just get one that has 4 wheels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sapient pearwood?

    13. Re:Or just get one that has 4 wheels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you considered adding tracks over those wheels? You know, for that running through airports during awesome apocalypses.

    14. Re:Or just get one that has 4 wheels by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Why not just buy a 4 wheeled case and tilt it like a 2 wheeled one? Or are you saying that all 4 wheeled cases have small, weak wheels? That doesn't seem to be the case (no pun intended) when I buy luggage, and I don't get particularly expensive stuff.

      Or are you thinking 10cm+ diameter wheels?

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    15. Re:Or just get one that has 4 wheels by geekmux · · Score: 1

      Mine has 11.

      The Spinal Tap Signature Series no doubt.

    16. Re:Or just get one that has 4 wheels by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I got a suitcase with two rollerblade wheels on each side, but they're just there to do double duty. Best roller suitcase I've seen yet, and it was like forty bucks at Ross in Vegas. I bought crap while I was there and needed more luggage space, turned out to be a happy accident.

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    17. Re:Or just get one that has 4 wheels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or maybe put wheels on the suitcase, making it manageable. Ya know, like they are now. Lots of things make life easier, including putting wheels and a handle on a suitcase. That's what happens, we try to make things easier for ourselves. Not everything is a necessity.

    18. Re:Or just get one that has 4 wheels by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      I'd rather have hundreds of cute little legs :D

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    19. Re: Or just get one that has 4 wheels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Brand? Most suitcases have shitty fragile handle/bars or super crappy wheels. I load mine and and barely get three trips out of them. Sure I'm overloading them, but I'm fine paying an extra few bucks for actual abusability.

    20. Re:Or just get one that has 4 wheels by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      actually I prefer two-wheeled suitcases, but they are nearly impossible to buy new.

      stores nowadays just sell four-wheeled.

      unfortunately four-wheeled suitcases suck over rough ground, especially over cobble stone sidewalks common in Europe, with their tiny plastic wheels that easily break.

      Agree. Those tiny swivel wheels on the four-wheelers aren't big enough to negotiate a lot of rough terrain, and for a carry-on size I have no need for more than two wheels. You can still find them, just bought two for my kids last month.

      Anyhow, glad to see the French are tackling societies' most vexing problems.

    21. Re:Or just get one that has 4 wheels by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      How about buying luggage without wheels, and carry it? I know, what a preposterous concept.

      Feel free to do it the hard way. Just please stay out of my way.

    22. Re:Or just get one that has 4 wheels by swillden · · Score: 1

      Or just get one that has 4 wheels and don't look like a dork

      Most of the four-wheeled ones are designed also to be tipped forward and roll on two wheels. But, actually, I think they solve this problem even when on two wheels.

      To work in four-wheel mode, the wheels have to be on swiveling casters. When you tip them into two wheeled mode, the casters go into a restricted movement position, but they can still move a little. When you hit a bump, then, and one side bounces up, the caster on the other side can turn, allowing it to maintain a straight line rather than tipping to the side and causing a turn which flips the bag the other way on to the opposite side, etc.

      It's definitely the case that none of the four-wheeled suitcases I've owned have had the rocking problem, while all of the two-wheeled ones have. I thought this was just a result of better design, since my four-wheeled suitcases happen to be much higher-end, more expensive brands. I have a $200 bag purchased when I got tired of various problems with cheap suitcases and decided to see if more expensive was actually better, and a $600 bag given to me by the airline when I hit a million miles.

      BTW, the $200 bag really is much better than a $20-40 bag, in many ways, though probably not twice as good as a $100 bag, which I think is probably the sweet spot in rollerbag luggage today. The $600 bag is only marginally better than the $200 bag. It's lighter while still being quite sturdy, and looks classier. As is common, the best price/performance is midrange.

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    23. Re:Or just get one that has 4 wheels by parkinglot777 · · Score: 1

      Why not just buy a 4 wheeled case and tilt it like a 2 wheeled one? Or are you saying that all 4 wheeled cases have small, weak wheels? That doesn't seem to be the case (no pun intended) when I buy luggage, and I don't get particularly expensive stuff.

      Or are you thinking 10cm+ diameter wheels?

      I believe the OP of the whole thread is already off topic because it has nothing to do with TFA. TFA is talking about a study of how a luggage can be flipped over while being dragged (with 2-wheel). The reason is that the handle is in placed in the middle of the luggage. So using a 4-wheel as 2-wheel doesn't make any difference from what TFA stated if the handle is placed in the middle of the luggage (which is true to all luggages I've seen). In other words, TFA implies the design of handle placement is a flaw.

    24. Re:Or just get one that has 4 wheels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      23kg! I don't think I've ever gone above 10kg.

      I travel a lot, and honestly, everything became so much more pleasant when I started packing lighter. I travelled all around the world in 2017Q1 (about a dozen cities in three months) with a single 7kg backpack, and that's including a laptop, a tablet, a spare phone, business attire, etc. I bought plenty of gifts too – I just posted them as I went instead of lugging them around everywhere.

      I honestly don't know what I could possibly need that would take 23kg. Maybe the solution isn't to redesign luggage, but to reconsider what you actually need to bring with you.

    25. Re:Or just get one that has 4 wheels by jabuzz · · Score: 1

      Put a pair of ski boots in your suitcase, along with a bunch of other skiing stuff required for a two week trip. Otherwise you are correct.

    26. Re:Or just get one that has 4 wheels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about buying luggage without wheels, and carry it? I know, what a preposterous concept.

      There are circumstances when that's not practical. My wife flies to Brazil with our infant son on Saturday. She needs clothes for herself for a week, diapers, formula, and clothes for a week for our son (Brazil doesn't have good diapers and formula is twice the price it is in the US). How do you suggest my wife carry our young son and a 60 pound suitcase? The answer is a suitcase with wheels and an extendable handle.

    27. Re:Or just get one that has 4 wheels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not all women are weightlifters.

      Keep in mind that when is travelling overseas for a month or more, in strange and undeveloped places, with different dress codes, and in different climates...

      If you're traveling to Northern Siberia and the Sahara desert in the same trip, you're probably planning your trip wrong. And if your company is making you do so, they're abusing you. There's no other reason to travel for a month with 20+ kg of clothes. You can do your laundry in other countries as well, you know?

    28. Re: Or just get one that has 4 wheels by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Olympia

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    29. Re: Or just get one that has 4 wheels by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      It was a Spinal Tap reference captain douchebag.

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    30. Re: Or just get one that has 4 wheels by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      TSA guys (my dad was one when I was growing up)

      It was a Spinal Tap reference

      Judging by when he was growing up, he wasn't even born when Spinal Tap came out. Possibly not even when it was released on DVD.

    31. Re:Or just get one that has 4 wheels by chuckugly · · Score: 1

      The only times I've gone over 10 or so were (1) when I had 20kg of SCUBA gear with me, and (2) when I was staying for over a year and wanted to bring in a few large household items. I learned a lot during that last deal and wouldn't do it again. For longer stays, just ship it to yourself in the destination country.

      The SCUBA (or other sports equipment) thing is legit IMO but again, as a burly man I had no problems carrying what I packed.

      So yeah, don't pack more than you can handle, and use local labor to get things laundered etc.

    32. Re: Or just get one that has 4 wheels by KGIII · · Score: 1

      There are no women on the Internet.

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    33. Re: Or just get one that has 4 wheels by Notabadguy · · Score: 1

      BeauHD is the chief shitposting editor on Slashdot - we've come to expect garbage puff pieces, pseudo-news, alternative science, twitter fandom, and trolling.

      You've been taken sir.

    34. Re:Or just get one that has 4 wheels by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Not all women are weightlifters.

      Which is why they need to not pack more than they can carry, or know they can get someone else to carry for them.
      There are plenty of places where luggage wheels won't work at all, and you have to carry anyhow.
      Cobblestones, mud, stairs, grates. So since you have to be able to carry it anyhow, the wheels are just a convenience that you can't rely on and can dispense with.

    35. Re:Or just get one that has 4 wheels by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      I don't see why you would need more than 10 wheels.

      Why couldn't you just use 10 wheels instead?

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    36. Re:Or just get one that has 4 wheels by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Because doing more work unnecessarily is for retards.

      Most of us don't do nearly enough physical labor, and our life quality and life expectancy pays the price.

      Small steps to actually do things help. If it's just a convenience thing,take the stairs, not the escalator. Walk over and turn the TV off, don't use the clicker. Cut your bread, don't buy pre-sliced. And carry your luggage instead of rolling it. Be smart, not a lazy retard.

    37. Re: Or just get one that has 4 wheels by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      He wasn't BORN yet!

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    38. Re:Or just get one that has 4 wheels by arth1 · · Score: 1

      There are circumstances when that's not practical. My wife flies to Brazil with our infant son on Saturday. She needs clothes for herself for a week, diapers, formula, and clothes for a week for our son (Brazil doesn't have good diapers and formula is twice the price it is in the US). How do you suggest my wife carry our young son and a 60 pound suitcase? The answer is a suitcase with wheels and an extendable handle.

      Worst arguments I have heard.
      Does your son have to go? Is there a medical procedure that can only be had in Brazil?
      And millions of Brazilians can attest to Brazilian diapers working just fine.
      And does she know where she's going? Well, mail diapers and food there if you are too precious to use the local products that's good enough for the natives.
      And she will have to carry the suitcase anyhow when she encounters grates, mud or stairs. If she relies on being able to roll it, she's in for a nasty surprise.

      But most of all, don't travel with infants unless it is required. Even if you put wheels on them.

    39. Re: Or just get one that has 4 wheels by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Somebody should invent some way that would allow people to see movies that were made before they were born!

      He wasn't born when "The Rabbit" was invented either. What is your point?

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    40. Re:Or just get one that has 4 wheels by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      4 wheels don't really fix the problem, the pull is still from the middle and wheels are still to the side.
      Get a backpack.

    41. Re: Or just get one that has 4 wheels by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      Well, I go skiing with a group of much younger people every year. This phrase, "I wasn't born yet" comes up more often than you'd think in our conversations. It's a punchline used in something those young punks watch.

      Good times. Fun group.

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    42. Re:Or just get one that has 4 wheels by eddeye · · Score: 1

      How about buying luggage without wheels, and carry it? I know, what a preposterous concept.

      I say, old chap! What a marvelous idea! Just abduct, er, "hire" some natives as porters and away we go! Jolly good show!

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    43. Re:Or just get one that has 4 wheels by chuckugly · · Score: 1

      The 4 wheeled ones I've used have castors on the wheels, which yes, actually DOES fix the problem. I use a backpack and a sling bag now, but the 4 wheeler did solve the problem. Packing lighter solves it a lot more elegantly.

    44. Re:Or just get one that has 4 wheels by MercTech · · Score: 1

      The answer is luggage carts you rent for a few coins at the airport.

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    45. Re:Or just get one that has 4 wheels by syntotic · · Score: 0

      Now their task is to correct luggage designs and get a worldwide patent from it.

    46. Re:Or just get one that has 4 wheels by I75BJC · · Score: 1

      Hate to inform you, the luggage with 4 wheels makes you look like a dork, too.

    47. Re:Or just get one that has 4 wheels by I75BJC · · Score: 1

      Huh? Try REI. I just saw a huge selection when I was in the REI store last week.

    48. Re:Or just get one that has 4 wheels by chuckugly · · Score: 1

      I guess an organized dork is slightly better than a clumsy and disorganized one, but point taken.

    49. Re: Or just get one that has 4 wheels by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Possibly not even when it was released on DVD.

      HD-DVD, surely? The medium of choice for drummers.

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    50. Re: Or just get one that has 4 wheels by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      He wasn't born when "The Rabbit" was invented either.

      He must have been born no more than 9 months after the invention of the "Rabbit." Once they had ben invented, do you think his father would have had had anything of value for his mother?

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    51. Re:Or just get one that has 4 wheels by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      what I could possibly need that would take 23kg.

      Boots, hard hat, coveralls, second coveralls (for when the pair that got covered in crap when you were called to a problem at 03:00, haven't been washed and dried for the start of your shift t 06:00), safety spectacles (glass, not plastic ; plastic prescriptions don't last for shit), spare spectacles. There's your next 10kg already.

      Fortunately, I don't need to carry my flying suit too. But having been to places where they don't provide a flight suit even during mid-winter snowstorms, I'd add that for some countries.

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    52. Re:Or just get one that has 4 wheels by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      The only times I've gone over 10 or so were (1) when I had 20kg of SCUBA gear with me,

      Hmmm, prescription mask : 1kg (including case) ; left gag and contents ~2.5kg, right gag set same; 2:1 DIN adaptor ~0.5kg ; helmet with straps for torches ~0.7kg ; camera+housing ~3.5kg ; computer ~0.3 kg ; wrist console, +1kg. Yeah, I get up to about 12kg if I don't want to trust rental gags. If I took my dual-mount backpack/ wing without bottles, I'd be well over 20kg too.

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    53. Re:Or just get one that has 4 wheels by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      luggage carts you rent for a few coins

      To be precise, if you've got CFA coins in your pocket, then the carts will want Euros. When you've put Euros in your pocket from the last experience, then you'll find that the next cart requires pounds and actually jams solid with Euros. The next time, you find that pounds and Euros don't fit at Toronto, and by then, you've given up and are carrying your baggage. It's quicker than wasting time trying.

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    54. Re:Or just get one that has 4 wheels by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Carrying 100+ lbs of luggage is not a small step. It's retarded, and will lead to back and joint injury. I suggest that if you decide to go this route, buy the luggage with wheels, carry it around, and then when you throw out your lower back you can revert to rolling it.

      I'm all for taking the stairs.

      P.S., in the old days we didn't carry the luggage - the porters put it on a cart. Now we have roller bags instead of porters, so we're still doing more exercise.

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  2. This is new? by Solandri · · Score: 4, Interesting

    People who tow trailers have known about this for decades.

    1. Re:This is new? by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Beat me to it.

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    2. Re:This is new? by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      No, when your trailer starts to rock, you are supposed to slow down, not slam on the gas.

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    3. Re:This is new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you hate living that much?

    4. Re:This is new? by Megol · · Score: 1

      Are you serious?

    5. Re:This is new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right there on page 28:

      Funding. This study was not funded by any external source.
      Acknowledgements. This study was started as an experimental research project for undergraduate students in Physics at the university Paris-Diderot in Paris, France.

      For all you know, those students might be building biomedical devices right now.

    6. Re:This is new? by edx93 · · Score: 1

      Yes, I was. That being said, I was referring to the study on luggage wobbleness, not on the attached video. Not sure why I left the comment there...

    7. Re:This is new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, I believe it is "when the trailer starts rockin', don't come knockin'".

    8. Re:This is new? by swillden · · Score: 2

      People who tow trailers have known about this for decades.

      I wonder how much money was spent on this, rather than, say, cancer research. Sigh...

      These are physicists. Whatever they might study, it won't be cancer.

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    9. Re:This is new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Accelerating will help. But then you're going faster and the next oscillation will be worse.

      The best thing you can do is manually engage the trailer brakes, if you have them. That will pull it straight again.

      Gradually slowing down will help.

      Slamming on the brakes will make things worse fast.

    10. Re:This is new? by swillden · · Score: 3, Interesting

      People who tow trailers have known about this for decades.

      As demonstrated in that video, trailer sway isn't caused by rocking back and forth between the wheels causing swerving but by weight distribution away from the axle creating large yaw inertia. With suitcases, while packing the weight far from the wheels does make the rocking worse, it will still happen even with the weight packed close to them (low yaw inertia). So, we're mostly talking about different effects. As evidenced by the fact that if your trailer starts rocking you should ease off the throttle, not go faster.[1]

      Even if this were the same effect, there's a huge difference between merely knowing about a phenomenon and having some rules of thumb about how to handle it, derived from experience, and having a mathematical model and a computer simulation of the phenomenon. Having those opens up many more options for finding solutions.

      [1] In my experience, the very best thing to do is to use the brake controller to activate the trailer brakes and slow that way, assuming a trailer that has electric brakes. I've only experienced sway on one trailer that doesn't have brakes; my flatbed (no brakes) when I have the tractor loaded too far back and not enough weight on the tongue. Easing off the throttle calms it down. None of the other trailers I've had (boat, utility, ATV) have ever swayed.

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    11. Re:This is new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ahhh yes, lets stop all research by completely unrelated science fields until someone solves the cure for every type of cancer on the planet, then in a century or so we can pick another problem for scientists to engage in.

    12. Re:This is new? by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      People who tow trailers have known about this for decades.

      I wonder how much money was spent on this, rather than, say, cancer research. Sigh...

      These are physicists. Whatever they might study, it won't be cancer.

      Yes, but perhaps the suitcase industry would have hired biotechs to study cancer rather than physicists to study wheels if they knew about the pre-existing research.

    13. Re:This is new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I also believe this is the correct course of action. After all, the solution for a more important problem has never been found while researching something trivial.

    14. Re:This is new? by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      A quick tap on the gas to pull it straight before letting off the gas to slow yourself (without braking, of course) is actually more effective. What you don't want to do, of course, is floor it and then maintain that speed, as the next event that triggers the swerve will be worse if you're going faster.

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    15. Re:This is new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Newsflash: people are not designed to live forever.

    16. Re:This is new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, I was. That being said, I was referring to the study on luggage wobbleness, not on the attached video. Not sure why I left the comment there...

      You were probably too involved in your unfortunate smugness to notice that you were doing something stupid. I've heard that it's difficult for one to see the screen with one's head up one's own ass.

    17. Re:This is new? by swillden · · Score: 1

      People who tow trailers have known about this for decades.

      I wonder how much money was spent on this, rather than, say, cancer research. Sigh...

      These are physicists. Whatever they might study, it won't be cancer.

      Yes, but perhaps the suitcase industry would have hired biotechs to study cancer rather than physicists to study wheels if they knew about the pre-existing research.

      Nobody hired anybody for this. This was just a couple of university physicists who got curious about something they noticed and decided to work out the cause.

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    18. Re:This is new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you catch it early you can slow down. If it is already out of control, you need to speed up first to bring it under control, then slow down. The faster you go, the smaller the bump that starts the process over again, so the speed up is just a temporary measure to regain control.

    19. Re:This is new? by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      The French like to think they figured it out first. They think they're the center of the Universe.
      Don't tell them that they're not. They often get upset.

  3. Move the handle by viperidaenz · · Score: 4, Informative

    The handle is also on the same side as the wheels, so when you're pulling it along the weight is above the pivot point between the wheel still on the ground and your hand.
    If the handle was on the opposite side from the wheels the weight wouldn't be as high (it would be more in line with your hand and the wheel), so the suitcase would be more stable.

    1. Re:Move the handle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What you are saying is correct but if you move the handle up there how would you connect the handle to the wheels to transfer the load without blocking the opening and pockets on the luggage?

    2. Re:Move the handle by guises · · Score: 1

      At the base? Don't most of these have stiff bases?

    3. Re:Move the handle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would make it "heavier". Ideally you want to abandon the weight to the wheels, deliver X (horiz vector) force through handle. You're right, of course, that more delta would resist turbulence.

      Want my fix? Bigger wheels. Of course tiny plastic wheels don't handle more than "tiny" disruption, deviations to the smooth-flat-inastraightline floor, deviations from the spherical cow.

      But are you gonna buy the $15.50 model or the $16.70 one on Amazon? The race to the bottom demands cheap wheels.

  4. This also applies to trailer towing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    As noted in the full text of one of the original articles about the wheeled suitcase research, slowing down is the worst thing you can do when towing a trailer and the trailer begins to oscillate back and forth. Slowing down will increase the probability of a "jacknife" crash, in which the trailer being towed jerks the towing vehicle out of control.

    I had to do this years ago, towing a large U-Haul trailer which probably weighed as much as the car towing the trailer ( I never should have tried to tow such a heavy trailer with such a light car -- this is a BAD idea and I'd never attempt it again ).

    The excitement began as I was towing the trailer at around 70mph ( too fast, again I was making a novice mistake, driving too fast ). The trailer and car began to oscillate and each swing of the trailer was larger than the last. I instinctively knew if I backed off the throttle I would lose control. So instead I downshifted one gear and gave the engine full throttle. This acted to jerk the trailer and stabilized things. I am sure if I had slowed down, it would have resulted in the sort of crash that led the local TV news that day.

    1. Re:This also applies to trailer towing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Damn, that was your 15 minutes of fame and you missed it.

    2. Re:This also applies to trailer towing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Damn, that was your 15 minutes of fame and you missed it.

      OP here.

      It's hard to enjoy fame when you're dead.

      I think dying would have been a distinct possibility if I had lost control of the car & trailer that day.

      As it was, I didn't need any coffee for the rest of the day.

    3. Re:This also applies to trailer towing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slowing down will increase the probability of a "jacknife" crash

      You're not supposed to hit the brakes, only push down the clutch.

      Oh wait, you don't have one?

  5. Just like trailers by Sir+Holo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The same physical principal applies to two-wheeled trailers pulled by cars with a hitch.

    Have you ever seen someone driving down an interstate, two-wheeled U-Haul or similar trailer in tow behind their Honda Civic? I sure have. I back off, and watch while the driver tries various maneuvers. The trailer will start to swing side-to-side. Then it will start skipping from side-to-side. Then I get bored and pass... two lanes over. Never once has one of them simply decelerated and pulled over to the shoulder.

    1. Re:Just like trailers by GerryGilmore · · Score: 2

      As I just posted below - before seeing your comment - those idiots need to hit the accelerator when the trailer starts swerving! Any other maneuver is bound to lead to a bad day.

    2. Re:Just like trailers by Sir+Holo · · Score: 4, Informative

      As I just posted below - before seeing your comment - those idiots need to hit the accelerator when the trailer starts swerving! Any other maneuver is bound to lead to a bad day.

      Speeding up does work.

      A second technique that works is to put the car in neutral, effectively decoupling the travel-direction forces transmitted through the hitch. With no more tugging it along, the trailer will settle down (this stops any more energy from being put into the trailer's motion, letting roll-resistance quench out the speed and oscillations). I have done this. Just decouple and coast.

      You are correct that hitting the brakes is the absolute worst thing that the driver can do.

    3. Re:Just like trailers by sconeu · · Score: 4, Informative

      I was about 10.... We were on the way home from a camping trip, and my mom was driving.

      Some asshole cut her off, and she instinctively hit the brake. My dad was yelling at her to hit the gas... to no avail. We jacknifed and flipped. That's stuck with me ever since. If your trailer is out of control, speed up.

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    4. Re:Just like trailers by WittyName · · Score: 1

      TLDR; YMMV!

      I live in a country that has 2 lane highways. One lane to the city, the other going away from the city.. YOU INSENSITIVE CLOD!

      Passing 2 lanes over might be in the next province of my rural province in the mighty Socialist Republic of Vietnam.

      And, furthermore, GET OFF MY LAWN1 :)

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    5. Re:Just like trailers by edx93 · · Score: 2

      Never once has one of them simply decelerated and pulled over to the shoulder.

      My dad has...it almost killed us all.

    6. Re:Just like trailers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I cannot believe how many people make bold statements based on urban myths.

      Accelerating is the WORST thing you can do.
      You will get a lot more sway at 100kph then you will at 70kph.
      What stops sway is towball friction, accelerating increases the friction but guess what, sooner or later you have to stop accelerating.
      When the additional friction is gone - the sway will come back with a vengeance!

      I would much rather jack knife a trailer at slow speed than high speed.

      What you need to do is increase the sideways friction - go for the verge
      The effect of driving on sand or grass is almost instant - more side on friction - no more sway.

      I found this out the hard way. I accelerated when the trailer started swaying, when I stopped accelerating I ended out with the whole back of the jumping off the ground.
      I aimed for a paddock beside the road to prevent a head on collision and as soon as one wheel of the trailer hit the verge - no sway.
      When I stopped, I moved some of the load closer to the car and the sway didn't come back for the rest of the journey.

      A few year later I was towing a car on a trailer, when I hit 90kph, The trailer started swaying - I drove to the verge and when the sway stopped. I eased up and never exceeded 80kph.

      Another example is a good friend of mine, he was towing a large v8 ski boat and it started swaying, he accelerated. He ended out upside down, 20 metres off the road, scared shitless that he had killed his wife or kids. Insurance can replace the car and trailer but nothing that matters.

      If you get a sway - head for the verge, run over poles, slide against crash barriers - what ever - just DONT accelerate - you will end out with a much worse sway if you do....

    7. Re:Just like trailers by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Some asshole cut her off, and she instinctively hit the brake. My dad was yelling at her to hit the gas... to no avail. We jacknifed and flipped.

      Your parents were the assholes. They either had too much trailer for not having trailer brakes, or the trailer brakes were misadjusted, or the tow vehicle was in some other way inadequate.

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    8. Re:Just like trailers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was about 10.... We were on the way home from a camping trip, and my mom was driving.

      Some asshole cut her off, and she instinctively hit the brake. My dad was yelling at her to hit the gas... to no avail. We jacknifed and flipped. That's stuck with me ever since. If your trailer is out of control, speed up.

      Hoping all made it out OK, but both of your parents are wrong.

      The first thing that was wrong was not properly setting the trailer brake controller to have enough braking force to stop itself plus, to a lesser extent, the towing vehicle, but without locking up its tires. This way when you hit the brakes, that heavy object behind you won't want to go in front of you. The only time you see a jackknifed big rig is when the trailer has no traction (road conditions, wheels lock) or a brake failure (overheated, brake line disconnected). BTW, nothing less than a PROPORTIONAL brake controller will do if you value your life and property more than the extra $100 it costs.

      I have experienced first hand the effects towing about 10,000lbs of wood on the interstate using a homemade trailer without any braking axles using an F150. Fortunately my passenger was the owner of the trailer and someone who has towed his entire life. It began to sway. He instructed me NOT to try and countersteer or hit the brakes. I was to hold the steering wheel tight and straight and slowly decelerate (not taking foot completely off the gas). Worked like a charm. And I never towed that trailer again. I've since towed about 50k miles, most with a trailer without brakes, but weighing less than the vehicle.

      Another O.S. moment I had towing was when I was moving a dead tree from the back of my property. I loaded up my 10' single axle trailer and proceeded down hill in the front yard using my garden tractor in low range 1st gear. Worked fine until I got to my gravel driveway, also downhill. In a matter of seconds, the trailer was being pushed faster by the much heavier trailer, leaving skid marks in the gravel from the slower-moving drive wheels, and began to jackknife. I quickly put it in neutral and rode it out. This was at slow enough speeds and a very short distance until I leveled off--there was no chance for it to begin oscillating (or, in motorcycle parlance, headshake).

      Not every situation is the same, so putting in neutral, speeding up, or gradual slowdown depends on speed, weight of towing vehicle and trailer, brake condition, experience, etc. One thing is for certain: Don't touch the brakes, and, if at speed, don't countersteer!

      Someone made a video showing how Newton's 3rd law applies to towing. TL;DW (and got an F+ in basic math at E. Palmdale)

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls1bL3guMEo

      RRK

    9. Re:Just like trailers by Solandri · · Score: 2

      Most modern trailers come with electronic brake controllers. When you hit the brakes, the trailer brakes also engage thus assuring that the car is always pulling the trailer, instead of the trailer pushing the car. The only trailers using the old surge brakes are boat trailers - the hydraulic actuator can withstand getting wet, unlike electronic controllers. Surge brakes only engage when the trailer begins pushing the car. So the trailer's braking cannot exceed the car's braking (the surge brake disengage the moment that happens), which is what's needed to dampen out the swaying.

      Accelerating is preferable to hitting the brakes on a trailer with no brakes. But with a trailer with properly adjusted brakes, speeding up just feeds more energy into the trailer, making the swaying worse.

    10. Re:Just like trailers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I cannot believe how many people make bold statements based on urban myths.

      So, I suppose the entire point you're trying to make here is the aforementioned study and its findings is complete and utter bullshit?

      Yes, I get the fact that luggage and trailers are different, but physics is the constant here. Accelerating is not always the "WORST" thing you can ever do to calm certain movements, especially when it has been proven by many others to calm trailer sway, so it is not some urban myth. Accelerating does not mean put your foot through the fucking floorboard. ALL actions taken to correct a situation should be purposeful and just enough to get the desired effect, to include acceleration and deceleration, which should be done by putting the car in neutral to remove external forces and again force the driver to not overcompensate in a situation to make things worse.

      What ultimately created your situation was an improperly loaded trailer to compensate for proper weight distribution. Once you corrected that, the problem went away for good.

    11. Re:Just like trailers by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Surge brakes only engage when the trailer begins pushing the car. So the trailer's braking cannot exceed the car's braking (the surge brake disengage the moment that happens), which is what's needed to dampen out the swaying.

      Actually, just a damper in the brake system can keep that tendency down. But what is actually used to stop swaying in cases where that is a problem is a sway control hitch. It basically just adds a torsion bar spring to the hitch such that it pushes the trailer back towards center, and that seems to work okay.

      Sway is a non-issue in most cases with an adequate tow vehicle. For really heavy loads for which there otherwise would be no adequate tow vehicle, we solve the problem completely by simply moving the hitch point over the rear axle, e.g. fifth wheel or gooseneck.

      Earlier examples of electric brake systems tapped into a brake line to read the brake line pressure. We've had proper ways to handle trailers for a very long time. Surge brakes are fine if the tow vehicle is sizable enough that you almost don't need brakes. But in that case, sway is generally not a real problem anyway, because if the trailer isn't big enough to push or drag the vehicle down hill, it's also not likely big enough to throw the vehicle side to side enough to cause sway.

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    12. Re:Just like trailers by swillden · · Score: 1

      You are correct that hitting the brakes is the absolute worst thing that the driver can do.

      Assuming you have them, the best thing to do is to hit the trailer's brakes. If you're towing a largish trailer you should have electrically-controlled brakes and a brake controller where the driver can easily reach it. Just brake gently from the trailer and it will straighten out immediately.

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    13. Re:Just like trailers by swillden · · Score: 1

      One thing is for certain: Don't touch the brakes

      Don't touch the tow vehicle brakes. Braking (gently) from the trailer is ideal, assuming you have that option. Braking both with the brake controller adjusted to provide slightly more braking from the rear (as it should be configured) is also good, but the ideal is to ease off on the throttle and gently activate the trailer brakes.

      if at speed, don't countersteer!

      Oh, hell no. I suppose that it's possible to counter the motion with vehicle steering, but you'd have to get the timing and amount so precisely correct that I'm not sure a human driver could do it.

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    14. Re:Just like trailers by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      You don't accelerate from 70 to 100, you floor the pedal to jerk the car forward and straighten out the trailer, then you GET OFF THE GAS and coast down to a speed lower than you were originally going. Yes, you'll probably be okay just coasting and, if you wait too long to react, you have to take that chance as the acceleration trick doesn't work once the trailer is jumping around behind you; but, by that point, you're taking just as big of a risk trying to coast.

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    15. Re:Just like trailers by sconeu · · Score: 1

      This was 1973.

      Car was a late 1960's Ford Country Squire station wagon. The trailer did have brakes.

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    16. Re:Just like trailers by sconeu · · Score: 1
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    17. Re:Just like trailers by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The specs of the car are irrelevant without the specs of the trailer and load.

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    18. Re:Just like trailers by sconeu · · Score: 1

      23 footer. Don't even remember the make or model, though "Santa Fe" rings a bell.

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    19. Re:Just like trailers by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Was it a ham can, or an airstream, or what? We've got a '62 Streamline 'Duchess' and that's supposed to be a 3500 pound trailer with a 500 pound tongue weight. That's just narrowly within the capabilities of a big station wagon of those days. That trailer came with electric brakes, though. The only thing I've towed it with was my 1992 F250 7.3 Super Cab XLT, which is currently down due to engine failure from cavitation, in spite of running a cooling filter with SCAs in it. But I digress. That truck weighs an actual ~5100lb and aside from wind resistance, it basically didn't give a good goddamn that there was a trailer back there. That's a good thing, because the brakes on the trailer don't work. My driveway is steep and gravelly, but the truck has a rear limited slip and mud tires so I just put it into 4 hi and cruised up.

      The point of which is that the correct tow vehicle for a trailer of that magnitude is not a car. Most modern cars have no towing capacity worth mentioning, because we decided that it was never really safe to do in the first place. Some modern CUVs are blessed with substantial towing capacity, but in general you won't get up above about 3k without going to a minivan, and most cars have only a 1k towing capacity. (There are some notable counterexamples.)

      With a sway control hitch, properly working trailer brakes, and a quality trailer brake controller, if all goes well a properly-balanced trailer behind a decent car can handle many situations. But what happens if you get a couple of flats at the same time by rolling over some road-colored piece of debris? You want a vehicle designed and built for towing if you're going to tow anything of any notable mass. And then you still have to assume that everything will go wrong, and that everyone will cut you off.

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    20. Re:Just like trailers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the ideal is to ease off on the throttle and gently activate the trailer brakes.

      Thanks. Meant to include this--and have had to do this with my other trailers from time-to-time. Straightens things out _immediately_.

      RRK

    21. Re:Just like trailers by sconeu · · Score: 1

      It wasn't an airstream. It was a 1970 Santa Fe 23. White corrugated aluminum.

      It was 45 years ago or so, but we did have a Reese hitch with sway control. This was 1973, nobody had an SUV/CUV. Except for people who worked farms or construction.

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    22. Re:Just like trailers by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      This was 1973, nobody had an SUV/CUV. Except for people who worked farms or construction.

      Nobody but nobody had a CUV, they weren't invented until 1979, with the AMC Eagle.

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    23. Re:Just like trailers by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      As I just posted below - before seeing your comment - those idiots need to hit the accelerator when the trailer starts swerving! Any other maneuver is bound to lead to a bad day.

      Speeding up does work.

      A Hollywood screenwriter just got an idea for Speed 3 and is trying to sign Sandra Bullock and book a wing of an airport.

    24. Re:Just like trailers by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      >A second technique that works is to put the car in neutral

      What's wrong with the clutch pedal? Oh I forgot. It's probably Americans driving.

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    25. Re:Just like trailers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Accelerating does not mean put your foot through the fucking floorboard.
      Well, you might want to, for all of one or two seconds.

      It shouldn't even be long enough to appreciably increase your highway speed. The "speed gain" will be in the form of newly-placed trailer momentum. Tangential force urging it to a more-aligned vector.

      I suppose going in a big curve might also work, but that's useless unless you're in a giant empty plaza.

      I imagine an algorithm could be made for a robot driver to counter sway without drifting the headlights more than +/- 30degrees for a second or two, costing a lane or two. For a laundry list of specific/predefined conditions, of course. But the research might still be worth looking at.

  6. Re: This was already proven a fake story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because they don't have enough tech stories?

  7. Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get a suitcase with a rigid handle. Then it is impossible to rock because your hand would keep it steady. It can only rock if youre pulling it by the strap and the reason why it topples over faster when you slow down is because you are reducing the tension on the strap.

    1. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Btw I realize the picture in the article shows a person pulling a suitcase with a rigid handle. But how would that suitcase topple over when the person is holding onto the handle? It can't.

    2. Re:Meh by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Weak millennial wrists.

    3. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given the alleged social skills and sexual history of denizens of this site, weak wrists is hardly likely to be a problem

  8. Re: This was already proven a fake story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This. Already debunked.

  9. Shocking! Now add shock absorbers. by swell · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Simple enough to design shock absorbers for the wheels. A proper shock absorber reduces harmonic effects. On vehicles these devices are remarkably affordable and effective. For luggage they could be very cost effective. A simple friction device with a compressed gas cartridge would do the trick. Feel free to design & patent- I don't need the millions it will bring.

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    1. Re:Shocking! Now add shock absorbers. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Simple enough to design shock absorbers for the wheels. A proper shock absorber reduces harmonic effects. On vehicles these devices are remarkably affordable and effective.

      Shock absorbers are not effective at killing trailer sway. That's why we still have sway control hitches. An easier answer would be to use a tow strap which is a loop which attaches to the outer corners of the bag rather than the center of the bag.

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    2. Re:Shocking! Now add shock absorbers. by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      I think what's really going on here is a wheelbase that is too narrow for the height of the centre of mass.

      What's needed is pop-out wheels to extend the wheelbase, possibly also with a small computer and an electric motor so the suitcase can follow you (perhaps a pager-type object on your belt) and scream if somebody tries to steal it from you.

      Or go one step further and design it to carry a human and provide a Bluetooth joystick control so not only don't you have to carry or pull the thing, it can carry or pull you.

    3. Re:Shocking! Now add shock absorbers. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The weight constraints here are fairly problematic. It's certainly possible to get your luggage to follow you around, even given that you've got to be able to get the luggage and its contents down under 50lb or even less, depending on the airline. But being able to ride around on it as well is probably asking too much.

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    4. Re:Shocking! Now add shock absorbers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The TSA will be less than thrilled with overhead bins filled with shoddy, poorly maintained compressed gas cylinders. I can't imagine what could go wrong when some chintzy isobutane-filled grenade gets crammed into an overhead bin. And you know some knockoff factory in China is going to fill them with something toxic and/or flammable. Perhaps this new industry could breathe life into the failing Takata!

      http://www.tsatraveltips.us/can-i-bring-it-on-an-airplane/

      That aside, you're totally right. It's a good idea by itself.

    5. Re:Shocking! Now add shock absorbers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good thing that Lithium batteries may still go into the checked baggage cargo hold.

    6. Re:Shocking! Now add shock absorbers. by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      How about pedals for manual assist?

    7. Re:Shocking! Now add shock absorbers. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      It's not wholly inconceivable. But I think at that point you're better off just basing it on a razor scooter.

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    8. Re:Shocking! Now add shock absorbers. by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      Not bad, actually; Have the scooter slide out from underneath and treat the bag like a side car, or leave the scooter underneath and the handle shaft leans forward so you can comfortably tow the bag behind you.

      If you're clever enough and add a wheel lock, you could even use a modified handle as a portable chair.

      Then the question becomes... do you leave it with tiny wheels expecting it to only be used on very smooth surfaces, or do you waste some space and weight on bigger wheels, maybe make it detachable from the bag for more general use?

    9. Re:Shocking! Now add shock absorbers. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I think realistically you stick with the rollerblade wheels. They are ultra-common in luggage, and they support an immense load for their mass. They're capable on good-quality sidewalks, which should already at least get you to the taxi, car rental, etc. And then you just need an airbag for your head.

      OK, I finally broke down and googled it and it looks like you can just buy one, they are apparently sold out of the carry-on version but it's only 249 euros. Probably it is smarter to just buy one than dick around trying to make one, that's not very much money compared to what a halfway decent suitcase costs anyway. Then again, I did spend only forty bucks on mine...

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    10. Re:Shocking! Now add shock absorbers. by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      Every. Time.

      I've been doing this all my adult life - come up with an idea and then find out one of you other 7.5 billion idiots has already done it!

    11. Re:Shocking! Now add shock absorbers. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The good news is, you're coming up with good ideas.

      The bad news is... not fast enough

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  10. Ever pulled a trailer? by GerryGilmore · · Score: 0

    The same principle applies when pulling a trailer behind your car/truck. If it starts swaying/swerving, speed up! It'll straighten right the fuck up. Slow down/brake and get ready to wipe out!

  11. Is anyone running through airports in 2017? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I would think that would get you shot, nowadays.

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    1. Re:Is anyone running through airports in 2017? by grumpy_old_grandpa · · Score: 1

      That problem will be addressed in a follow-up paper, with more complicated equations. In layman's terms, it comes down to: the level of fascism of the location you're at; the trigger happiness of the police; the color of your skin; and finally the day of the week.
      It's already a well known fact that more people are shot by the coppers on Fridays - it spices up an otherwise boring weekend.

    2. Re:Is anyone running through airports in 2017? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, nowadays I'd much rather be gentle, walk slowly to the plane, and only get beaten.

    3. Re:Is anyone running through airports in 2017? by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      I would think that would get you shot, nowadays.

      Well to be honest I do get an overwhelming compulsion to kill any tool I see dragging a Drag Bag

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    4. Re:Is anyone running through airports in 2017? by swillden · · Score: 1

      I would think that would get you shot, nowadays.

      Nearly all running in airports is by people trying to make tight connections, and happens inside the "sterile" area, not anywhere near security. No one is going to care if you're running unless it looks like you're trying to run through the security checkpoint. Not that you could get shot even there; TSA agents aren't armed.

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    5. Re:Is anyone running through airports in 2017? by swillden · · Score: 1

      I would think that would get you shot, nowadays.

      Well to be honest I do get an overwhelming compulsion to kill any tool I see dragging a Drag Bag

      Airports must be very difficult for you, since every other passenger (at least) has one.

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  12. Driving a Trailer by GoRK · · Score: 1

    Anyone who has ever driven a trailer should have been told about fishtailing. (If you have driven a trailer and haven't been told you should google it immediately.)

    It's the same thing.

    The only thing preventing this scientific breakthrough was the apparent inability to intersect the community of truckers and physicists despite their relative interdependencies.

    1. Re:Driving a Trailer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      he only thing preventing this scientific breakthrough was the apparent inability to intersect the community of truckers and physicists despite their relative interdependencies.

      There is a huge difference between knowing about something and understanding it. Equations of motion for nontrivial situations can get messy fast, and often beyond a few simple general methods, a lot of cookbook, situation-specific methods are used. Expanding upon those cookbook methods is still useful, and sometimes has applications in other situations.

  13. Re: This was already proven a fake story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ad impressions?

  14. Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is common knowledge. Also goes for bikes and speed wobble.

  15. Coilovers by mobby_6kl · · Score: 3, Funny

    So what this is telling me is that I need to install coilovers on my suitcase. This way I could adjust the dampening and spring rates to ensure the best response on uneven terrain. I could then even lower it if I wanted, but it's pretty slammed as it is.

    1. Re:Coilovers by geekmux · · Score: 1

      So what this is telling me is that I need to install coilovers on my suitcase. This way I could adjust the dampening and spring rates to ensure the best response on uneven terrain. I could then even lower it if I wanted, but it's pretty slammed as it is.

      Nice ride you got there. I'm gonna go with front and rear anti-sway bars for better handling, along with low-profile wheels.

      And I'm gonna skip the coilovers and go straight with bluetooth bagged suspension(bags for bags). Use my phone app to slam it when rolling through baggage check.

      Oh, and don't forget the axle-back wheel agitators, for that aggressive sound when cruising at low RPMs.

      Boom.

    2. Re:Coilovers by sl3xd · · Score: 1

      So what this is telling me is that I need to install coilovers on my suitcase.

      Just how badly do you want some homeless guy/gal to steal your suitcase from baggage claim? A suitcase like that signals they are a somebody.

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  16. From the Footnotes: by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    ... when a suitcase starts to rock out of control, the correct response is not to slow down but to pull it faster.

    [27] Response may be different s/suitcase/penis/, but this has not been tested on a treadmill.

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  17. hmmm by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    Hey guys, how do you nominate someone for the Nobel prize?

    1. Re:hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's the nomination form:
      http://www.improbable.com/ig/miscellaneous/nominate.html

  18. "Damping", not "dampening" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dampening makes something wet. Damping absorbs energy (friction). Unless you're adding moisture to slow down oscillations, you're damping rather than dampening.

    dom

    1. Re:"Damping", not "dampening" by sexconker · · Score: 2

      Dampening makes something wet. Damping absorbs energy (friction). Unless you're adding moisture to slow down oscillations, you're damping rather than dampening.

      dom

      So when Captain Kirk showed Uhura his inertial dampener...

  19. We've been over this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a centipede, and it's really time for you to get back on the meds.

    1. Re:We've been over this. by GrumpySteen · · Score: 1

      No, he just needs to get back to the Disc.

    2. Re:We've been over this. by GrumpySteen · · Score: 1

      And I need to stop acting like a damned /. editor and use the preview button

      http://discworld.wikia.com/wik...

  20. Toppled! by SomeoneFromBelgium · · Score: 1

    This article just rocked me to the core. It blew my mind. Since my brain is only attached to the rest of my nervous system by a single connection and was unable to generate a significant accelleration ... it toppled over (despite traveling cautiously and at slow speed)

  21. or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Design the wheels with miniature shock absorbers. ;)

  22. Get used to it by Doghouse13 · · Score: 2

    After a few years you'll get boringly familiar with journalists misreporting familiar things in lurid terms. Media hacks usually know next to nothing about science - and a good headline is much more desirable than strict accuracy even when they do. Put in perspective: this was an undergraduate research project, such as just about every student who takes a degree will undertake at one point or another. Such things are about getting the students to practice and demonstrate their abilities to investigate a problem, draw useful conclusions and present the results. They MAY break new ground, but that's certainly not a requirement - that's what PhDs are for.

  23. Re:Or eat your cake and have it too by rmdingler · · Score: 2

    How about buying luggage without wheels, and carry it? I know, what a preposterous concept.

    Studies (admittedly from the wheeled-luggage lobby) suggest you can buy luggage with wheels and still carry it.

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  24. Fake science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I seem to remember doing an analysis like this in my undergrad dynamics and control course. Hardly challenging stuff.

    And... why did they need to go to the trouble of making a scale model of the suitcase? To presumably put on a teeny tiny treadmill? When ordinary sized suitcases and ordinary sized treadmills exist?

    Seriously sounds like these scientists have too much time on their hands, or are playing the 'hey lets cook up some tabloid consumption research that'll get our names out there'.

    How about figuring out the 'equation for $insert_emotion_here' as an encore?

  25. Loop exit? by CODiNE · · Score: 1

    when a suitcase starts to rock out of control, the correct response is not to slow down but to pull it faster."

    Then it hits something again, you speed up again, repeating until you're moving like O.J. Simpson in the airport.

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  26. Re:Or eat your cake and have it too by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Studies (admittedly from the wheeled-luggage lobby) suggest you can buy luggage with wheels and still carry it.

    The label 'carry-on' is discriminatory and offensive to the roll-ons. Unfortunately, the deodorant lobby stopped the roll-ons from using that label. I think the carry-ons had something to do with it.

  27. Splendid... by Deadstick · · Score: 1

    ...Now figure out why we put a man on the Moon before we put wheels on luggage.

  28. Go faster! Go faster! by VikingNation · · Score: 1

    I laughed out loud reading this story. I imagine scores of people yelling "go faster" while running through the air port.

    1. Re:Go faster! Go faster! by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      huge problem with advice, the" bearings" most luggage wheels are garbage, they wear, become rough on their surfaces and seize when pulled very quickly. We need a safety standard for luggage wheels, people get their backs hurt from this problem

    2. Re:Go faster! Go faster! by sl3xd · · Score: 1

      We need a safety standard for luggage wheels, people get their backs hurt from this problem

      Ahh, first world problems.

      I mean, you've got a point, but still... I can see it now:

      Luggage caster safety act of 2153:

      - Luggage casters shall be capable of withstanding the weight of the luggage when all available volume is filled with Osmium.
      - Luggage shall resist tipover while filled with Osmium
      - Luggage shall automatically call emergency services should luggage tip over.

      Just don't ask why I'm wheeling 4,000 kg of osmium through the airport. Those airline bastards charged me $25 for that bag, and I'm getting my money's worth.

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    3. Re:Go faster! Go faster! by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      I actually wasn't thinking of standard made by law, but industry one. Anyway, your 128,603 troy ounces in a cube 0.56 meters on a side of osmium would at the moment be worth $50,155,000, better put the little included 50 cent padlock on that suitcase.

    4. Re:Go faster! Go faster! by sl3xd · · Score: 1

      True, but unlike gold, they'd probably think it's just some heavy metal that's way too heavy to get past the supervisor.

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  29. Motorsports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When in doubt gas it out!

  30. Car Racers Too by b0bby · · Score: 1

    "when a suitcase starts to rock out of control, the correct response is not to slow down but to pull it faster."

    My buddies who race cars always maintain that braking never solved anything, you save yourself with the gas pedal.

    1. Re:Car Racers Too by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      This is, indeed, true in almost every situation. Even on the road; you brake and the guy behind you hits you instead of you hitting whatever was in front of you; at the end of the day you still got in an accident. The difference is, if you brake, the asshole who actually caused the accident gets to keep driving like nothing happened.

      In that scenario, you could either floor it and swerve around or, if that's not a possibility, let go of the wheel, relax your body, and prepare for impact (tensing up and grabbing on is what leads to severe injury). Don't brake and get rear-ended, letting the idiot who caused the accident in the first place avoid consequences; he'll probably laugh with his friends about "the idiot he made cause an accident" if you let him off.

      Of course, if there's nobody behind you, you should brake until you're almost out of room to take evasive measures, then get off the brakes and swerve for avoidance. If braking is not an option (because someone is behind you or you're going too fast to safely decelerate over a short distance), floor it and go around.

      Take the above text with a grain of salt, as it's really something that needs to be demonstrated rather than explained.

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    2. Re:Car Racers Too by b0bby · · Score: 1

      Even on the road; you brake and the guy behind you hits you instead of you hitting whatever was in front of you; at the end of the day you still got in an accident. The difference is, if you brake, the asshole who actually caused the accident gets to keep driving like nothing happened.

      In my book, if you can't stop in time and hit something, you caused the accident. I agree on keeping an eye on the person behind you to see if they are going to hit you, but there's no excuse for me to hit the person in front of me.

    3. Re:Car Racers Too by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      If they pull out in front of you by less than your stopping distance, well, there's one example of them causing the accident. Likewise if they cut you off without signaling and brake suddenly.

      In the flow of traffic, though, I do agree; there is no excuse for you to hit the guy already on the road and in your lane in front of you. If you do, you were driving too close or too fast.

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  31. this is news? by wyHunter · · Score: 1

    Anyone who has stopped a trailer from fishtailing could have told you this. This is news?

  32. Roller Balls by Mike+Morgan · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't it be better to use roller balls instead of wheels to stop this behavior?

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    1. Re:Roller Balls by sl3xd · · Score: 1

      Roller balls... like a supersized version of a ball point pen?

      I don't see those handling being dragged across concrete, asphalt, and dirt all that well. Probably just get grit stuck in the bearing and it'd seize up.

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    2. Re:Roller Balls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We have those on the bottom of a shipping crate for our trade shows. The case is 48"x48"x30" and it rolls fine with 600lbs of stuff in it. They work best on polished concrete but they work fine on normal concrete or asphalt. Never tried rolling the case over dirt though

  33. does the luggage puller have any relevance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    does the attempt to correct the problem by pushing against the roll event by the luggage puller have anything to do with it? Like how a "tank slapper" often results from too rigid of attempts by the rider to control front wheel wobble on a motorcycle where a passive damping device works wonders to settle even the twitchiest rake geometries?

  34. Also .. 4 wheels roll on moving ramps, which sucks by bdwoolman · · Score: 1

    No way to lock 'em on a hill. But they win on smooth level ground.

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  35. So, is this post just a pre-Ig Noble ad? by markana · · Score: 1

    Sort of like those "For Your Consideration..." ads the movie studios run in trade magazines before the Academy Award voting. Granted the Ig Noble awards are much more prestigious, but this seems like an attempt at building early name recognition.

    Besides, my luggage has short skis instead of wheels. Much better over a variety of challenging terrain.

  36. Finally! by jediborg · · Score: 1

    Science is answering the real questions!

  37. Sick Sad World by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    goddamned lazy physicists, wasting time studying rolling luggage instead of curing cancer!

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  38. OH FYI- ZIPPERED LUGGAGE TOTALLY INSECURE by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

    Just fyi...

    It's been discovered that it is trivially easy to break into zippered luggage with a ball point pen, plunder it, and then reset the zipper (with the zipper handle) so it looks like it wasn't opened.

    Any new luggage, you probably want to get without zippers. Shady baggage handlers have been quickly and easily robbing stuff from suit cases lately.

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    1. Re:OH FYI- ZIPPERED LUGGAGE TOTALLY INSECURE by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      One work around is to make it where the zipper handle is locked too so it can't be moved back and forth across the zipper. At least then, it will be obvious it's been opened. It will still be easy to open in under a couple seconds with a ball point pen tho.

      Here's one of many examples on Youtube.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      And one example (of many) of a device that helps some.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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