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Who Americans Spend Their Time With (theatlas.com)

Data scientist Henrik Lindberg has a series of fascinating charts based on data from the US Bureau of Labor Statistics that show who people in the United States spend their time with over the course of their lifetime. Check out the charts here. From a report on Quartz: Some of the relationships Lindberg found are intuitive. Time with friends drops off abruptly in the mid-30s, just as time spent with children peaks. Around the age of 60 -- nearing and then entering retirement, for many -- people stop hanging out with co-workers as much, and start spending more time with partners. Others are more surprising. Hours spent in the company of children, friends, and extended family members all plateau by our mid-50s. And from the age of 40 until death, we spend an ever-increasing amount of time alone. Those findings are consistent with research showing that the number of friends we have peaks around age 25, and plateaus between the ages of 45 and 55. Simply having fewer social connections doesn't necessarily equal loneliness. The Stanford University psychologist Linda Carstensen has found that emotional regulation improves with age, so that people derive more satisfaction from the relationships they have, whatever the number. Older people also report less stress and more happiness than younger people.

115 comments

  1. Friends Peaking by Mikkeles · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I am reminded of the saying: He who has many friends has none.

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    Great minds think alike; fools seldom differ.
    1. Re:Friends Peaking by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

      When I was involved with a church for 13 years, everyone wanted to be in a leadership position for the attention and friendships that comes with it. That's fine as long as you stay in the leadership. Once you're out of the leadership, the phone stops ringing. Many former leaders leave the church because they had no real friends. I've always prefer to have too few friends than too many friends.

    2. Re:Friends Peaking by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      I am reminded of the saying: He who has many friends has none.

      I don't get that.

      I've had lots of friends over the years, and STILL have a group of at least 11-12 close ones I'm in touch with if not daily, then weekly at least.

      Many of these friends are long term, the least of which is about near the 30 year mark......

      I"d trust all of them with keys to my house, in fact, the ones that live very close to me all have keys to my house.

      Of note....I don't do social media...and have no problem keeping in touch.

      These aren't my only friends..they're just the core I've gathered over all my years. The oldest one I met when he was 12yrs and I was 11yrs...the rest have been gathered from HS through my years in college.

      I have no brothers and sisters, so my friends are my family, my "adopted" siblings. I'd not give any of them up for any good reason that I can think of....

      I think the more applicable saying should be "You can't have TOO many friends...."

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      Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
    3. Re:Friends Peaking by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      11-12 friends isn't unusual. 11-12 CLOSE friends is. How do you find time to spend time with that many people multiple times a week?

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      "That's the way to do it" - Punch
    4. Re:Friends Peaking by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      11-12 friends isn't unusual. 11-12 CLOSE friends is. How do you find time to spend time with that many people multiple times a week?

      Well, the ones that live locally, we hang at each others houses....do lunch/dinners out....hit the gun ranges together...any number of activities.

      The ones that don't live locally...well, we phone/text almost daily, sending pics...and for one group of them that lives in a different state than me, we plan get togethers and either I fly up there, or they fly here.

      I live in New Orleans...so, not heard to have some of them coming though periodically for cruises or just to vacation, often getting a free room with me.

      One nice thing...the spouses have never really been a problem...maybe for many (I know for me)...if a potential spouse didn't get along with the group of friends, they didn't end up being a spouse.

      I mean, I've known these people decades, and any lady I've met to go out with now, only for a few weeks.

      I don't care how good the pussy is, it ain't worth ditching friends I"ve known for a large part of my life, and trust with my life.

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      Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
    5. Re:Friends Peaking by rudy_wayne · · Score: 4, Insightful

      from the age of 40 until death, we spend an ever-increasing amount of time alone

      Because you finally figured out that most people are assholes and you're better off alone.

    6. Re:Friends Peaking by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      I don't care how good the pussy is, it ain't worth ditching friends I"ve known for a large part of my life, and trust with my life.

      Most of my close friendships prior to marriage were with women/girls. From about High School onwards, I've just preferred the company of women, even ones I wasn't interested in bonking. All those friendships sort of dried up after marriage. Some immediately, some just over time. Not the wife's fault, she understood it was platonic friendships (her sister was my best friend when I first met my future wife- her sister semi-set us up). My female friends, I guess, all felt uncomfortable hanging around a married man. All my closest friends drifted away over time.

      In my case it was worth it. What I have with the Mrs. is way better than anything I ever had with friends.

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      "That's the way to do it" - Punch
    7. Re:Friends Peaking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of note....I don't do social media...and have no problem keeping in touch.

      ...
      I have no brothers and sisters, so my friends are my family, my "adopted" siblings. I'd not give any of them up for any good reason that I can think of....

      I am calling that group "voluntary clan"
      It is by mutual choice only, not something you have no control over like blood relatives.

    8. Re:Friends Peaking by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      More likely because people in your circle start gradually dying off.

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      #DeleteChrome
    9. Re:Friends Peaking by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      I am calling that group "voluntary clan"

      It is by mutual choice only, not something you have no control over like blood relatives.

      In many ways..that makes the stronger and better...

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      Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
    10. Re:Friends Peaking by Falconhell · · Score: 1

      If you are lonely when you are alone, you are in bad company.

    11. Re:Friends Peaking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In your case I was told that other people found out that you were the asshole and started to avoid you.

    12. Re:Friends Peaking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what do your flying unicorn intellectual equals think about your faggot sexcapades?

      the updated Creamer collection

      enjoy becoming a running internet joke for your flying imaginary $2/month. hope it's worth it.

    13. Re:Friends Peaking by Kjella · · Score: 1

      More likely because people in your circle start gradually dying off.

      In their 40s? Do you live in a third world country or something, the stats from Norway:

      At age 1, 0.2% are dead.
      At age 32, 1% are dead.
      At age 45, 2% are dead.
      At age 58, 5% are dead.
      At age 67, 10% are dead.
      At age 75, 20% are dead.
      At age 85, 50% are dead.
      At age 95, 90% are dead.
      At age 105, 99.9% are dead.

      Of course for the individual those statistics don't mean much since people don't have many close friends and there might be significant co-morbidity in accidents, lifestyle choices and such but for the population as a whole that should be a relatively small effect until you're 75+. And I would think there's a strong normalizing effect, like I had a friend in my teens who drowned and with no disrespect to him it's not like that leaves a permanent hole in my friend roster. Life is for the living, you move on and make other friends and those who want do it all the way to the nursing home.

      And some of us are quite happy with only a moderate to low level of social interaction, I'm not a recluse or anything. I'm just content in my own company, a few good friends are nice but my life isn't about juggling upkeep on a huge social network. I think most make that transition to a greater or lesser degree from the teens where everyone is so concerned about what the pack thinks to being more confident individuals that live the way we want to live without caring so much about other people's opinion.

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      Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
    14. Re:Friends Peaking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's just the age when he became a serial murderer.

    15. Re:Friends Peaking by antdude · · Score: 1

      What about those who have none? :P

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      Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
  2. I spent my time with Muslims by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    until I got beheaded. Servers me right I guess.

    1. Re:I spent my time with Muslims by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      until I got beheaded. Servers me right I guess.

      +1 Underrated

    2. Re:I spent my time with Muslims by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean 'severs you right'?

  3. Interesting, but not surprising by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 2

    Intereresting data, but not in any way surprising.

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    http://www.geoffreylandis.com
  4. Cow orkers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Coworkers get the majority of my time. *sigh*

    How depressing.

    1. Re:Cow orkers by TWX · · Score: 3, Informative

      This is why I don't really want to hang-out with coworkers after the workday is over. I spend eight hours a day with you, and despite this industry attracting a lot of geeks we don't really have a whole lot in-common. Why would I want to spend even more time with you when I could spend it with people that share common interests?

      I do the occasional happy-hour, but there's a surprising number of rabid sports fans in the office despite most of them never having played a sport since young childhood, and I don't like hanging-out with people that refer to their favorite out-of-state sports team as, "we," when discussing their trumphs and tribulations.

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      Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
    2. Re:Cow orkers by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      This is why I don't really want to hang-out with coworkers after the workday is over.

      I've never really ever made friends with co-workers that went outside the office in my professional life.

      The only times I was close with co-workers, was during my HS-> Grad school years, when I worked in retail and restaurant business....ESPECIALLY the restaurant business.

      Perhaps a lot of that came from the way you are scheduled as a waiter or bartender...same weird hours, and the fact we were young enough to be interested in crawling all over each other, no didn't always know who you might be sleeping with on a given night...

      But for my professional life....co-worker friends can be problematic, in that you can't be sure if they are real friends or not, and since everyone in the work place is in some sort of competition with each other, they can more easily use things against you that they see in your behavior or attitudes outside the office (which shouldn't be anyones business for the most part).

      That's not to mention any *romantic" activity in the workplace...that can get messy emotionally (having to work with a chick you just dropped to sleep with her friend), or at worst....in todays litigious society, find yourself in a sexual harassment (warranted or not) case.

      So, for me, I"ve found workplace friendship outside the office doors, is just really not worth the potential hassles, when it is so much easier to meet and get to know people outside the office where you can truly be yourself and be more sure that both parties like each other for who they are, rather than the personas you have to put forth in the work place to succeed.

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      Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
    3. Re:Cow orkers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Udderly depressing.

    4. Re:Cow orkers by TWX · · Score: 1

      The competition-aspect is very true, and the problems when relationship turn sour, romantic or even simply platonic, is true also.

      My only workplace romance was with a woman that did not work out of the same facility as I do; I was doing a lot of field work at the time so I got to visit everywhere. That made it a lot less problematic when the relationship ended because I never visited any single site frequently to begin with, and even if I did go to her site, odds were even that I wouldn't run into her anyway, the facility was big enough.

      There are a fairly large number of former-friends in this place too, where they were friends when everyone was low-ranking, but the slim possibility for promotion plus the nature of the way patronage works meant that often those who were left-behind became bitter towards those that saw fairly rapid advancement, and those that advanced became shitheads to those who were now perceived as being lesser. Makes for an oh-so-fun work environment when one has to keep a flowchart of who does and doesn't like whom, to avoid topics to make it less unpleasant.

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      Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
    5. Re:Cow orkers by mobby_6kl · · Score: 1

      Yeah I'm pretty much the same.

      I'm not particularly extroverted but generally easy to get along with so I have some coworker "friends", as in people I could bullshit around at lunch of briefly after work. We'd do an occasional happy-hour or see a movie, but then they quit and I never speak with them, so yeah.

      This is starting to become a bit of a problem now at the start of my 30s though as many of my real friends moved or got into relationships and suddenly have no time to hang out. Like not even daily or weekly, sometimes I'm happy if I see them once per month. So at least I'm way ahead of the curve on this!

    6. Re:Cow orkers by TWX · · Score: 3, Informative

      You might want to try to go over to those real-friends' homes to hang out. When you're married and especially if you have children you might not have a lot of time to spend out-and-about. You may be limited to having a beer or two with friends over an hour or two while you shoot the shit out in the garage before you have to go back in and be responsible again.

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      Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
    7. Re:Cow orkers by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 1

      Just wait until you're 40!

      My close friends all got married and had kids in their mid-30's. One was in my Judo club and his wife actually told me she understands that guy's need their time together and she won't keep him from getting together with his friends, etc. He hasn't been back to Judo in almost two years and guess how many times we've hung out since the wedding that weren't family events?

      I suppose being an extreme introvert has something to do with it, but I'm able to fill my "free" time with many activities and pursuits: Judo, guitar, quadcopters, cars, computers, etc. The older I get the less I care about what other people are doing.

    8. Re:Cow orkers by MorePower · · Score: 1

      I've found several things work against being friends with your co-workers outside of work compared to school.
      In college, you have a bunch of (semi-)free time in between and after classes, most everyone is about the same age, hardly anyone is married or has kids, and most everyone lives within a mile or two of campus (and thus pretty close to each other).
      In the real world, you work 8 (or 10 or 12) hours with a one-hour commute before and after work, the ages range from 22 to 65, nearly everyone is married and most have kids, and everyone lives somewhere within 30-40 miles of work (generally not in the same direction as each other).

    9. Re: Cow orkers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Milk that sympathy.

  5. Agreed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    By age 25 most people have usually figured out that other people are assholes.

    1. Re:Agreed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or most of your old classmates have given up on you.

    2. Re:Agreed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If everyone thinks someone is an asshole, they probably are. If you think other people are assholes, you probably are,

    3. Re:Agreed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They rated you funny but seriously, this. The older I get the less patience I have for stupidity, drama, and bullshit. Everyone monopolizes your time when you're young, as you get older, you claw back what you can, you prioritize your own happiness over others, and you just plain don't like all the reality around you so you distance yourself from it.

      Also, your so-called friends start pointing out who died this week. That shit sucks, please knock it the fuck off. Yeah, people die, I get it, I don't need mortality thrown in my face all the time. So I play games, study, learn, work on hobbies, and ignore the phone. A lot. And I feel happier for it.

  6. missing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    missing "time with cat" chart.

  7. Interesting, but no raging hormones. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Emotional regulation could be a side effect of less hormonal urges.

  8. Depends on what you call 'friends' by Baron_Yam · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Until your 20s or so, 'friends' are usually the least objectionable acquaintances from school. Now, that's potentially a large pool of people so you can get lucky and find real friends in that group.

    For a brief period in your 20s, you may form some friendships with coworkers or somebody you meet socially. Usually a limited pool of people, and that's the pool you're choosing a spouse from.

    In your 30s (if you have kids), your friends are the parents of your kids' friends.

    It often isn't until retirement that you're actually free to form relationships with someone based on common interests instead of common circumstances. And guess what? They're all old and moderately set in their ways so the odds of a friendship forming are lower. And they're going to die at a higher rate than in your youth, so there's that, too.

    1. Re:Depends on what you call 'friends' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In your 30s (if you have kids), your friends are the parents of your kids' friends.

      I'm 42 and have 4 children. This was never ever true for me. I want nothing to do with most of those people.

    2. Re:Depends on what you call 'friends' by TWX · · Score: 1

      I found a social group irrespective of school when I was in my mid-teens. Once I graduated high school I didn't really see anyone from school anymore beyond the odd random encounter in a public place. Kind of the same for college friends; since I didn't live on-campus most of those acquaintances were made through class where we were thrown-together without much in the way of input, so those friendships didn't really last too long either.

      Friends that I've made based on common interests have generally lasted a lot longer. A couple of friends were initially met at work, but being coworkers isn't what made us friends.

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      Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
    3. Re:Depends on what you call 'friends' by dpilot · · Score: 1

      Some people put in special effort as they get older not to get set in their ways, and for some getting to post-kids is a time to branch out a bit and do more adventuring. On the flip side, you're a bit less capable physically, but there's still a wide range of learning, new experiences, etc, available.

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      The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
    4. Re:Depends on what you call 'friends' by MangoCats · · Score: 2

      I do wonder what part of the increasing time alone graph is due to old friends, partners, etc. dying off and not being replaced.

    5. Re:Depends on what you call 'friends' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      your a doosh

    6. Re:Depends on what you call 'friends' by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

      Your real friends are those that remain friends though all the changes you describe and more. They are rare, and should be cherished.

    7. Re:Depends on what you call 'friends' by Thelasko · · Score: 1

      It often isn't until retirement that you're actually free to form relationships with someone based on common interests instead of common circumstances. And guess what? They're all old and moderately set in their ways so the odds of a friendship forming are lower. And they're going to die at a higher rate than in your youth, so there's that, too.

      Not only that, but I think the vast majority of people struggle to connect with others. It's not just a nerd thing.

      When you are working or going to school, you are forced to interact with others. Relationships require skill to acquire and sustain. Most people don't have those skills, or are unwilling to work at them, without social pressure. Upon retirement, that social pressure is eliminated and people struggle.

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      One of our competitors trademarked the term "hypothesis". From now on, we will call them "boneheaded ideas".
    8. Re:Depends on what you call 'friends' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoush?

    9. Re:Depends on what you call 'friends' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But you were ok with "your"? Oh for crying out loud... .if you are going to criticize somebody's spelling, at least apply it consistently across the three words that were posted! (Also, criticize the lack of capitalization and punctuation.)

    10. Re:Depends on what you call 'friends' by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      But you were ok with "your"? Oh for crying out loud... .if you are going to criticize somebody's spelling, at least apply it consistently across the three words that were posted! (Also, criticize the lack of capitalization and punctuation.)

      He spelled the word "your" correctly. He just used the wrong word. Just saying...;)

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  9. Slashdot by kackle · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hello "friends"!

    I wonder how reading/posting on Slashdot is categorized.

    1. Re:Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does Mom ever come downstairs?

    2. Re:Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really, I mean talk about missing options! Where's "Hanging with my Warcraft Guild.", or "Snuggling with my waifu.", or even "CowboyNeal"?

      Hey guys, my mom's making some pizza flavored hot pockets. Who wants some?

    3. Re:Slashdot by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Hello "friends"!

      Hello my closest, most dearest friend.

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      "That's the way to do it" - Punch
    4. Re:Slashdot by bettodavis · · Score: 1

      Hello darkness my old friend...

    5. Re:Slashdot by Toad-san · · Score: 1

      Oh, my name it is Sam Hall ...

      I wonder how old HE was?

  10. I know who I spend my time with... by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 5, Funny

    All the people that are wrong on the internet. DUTY CALLS!

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    Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
  11. Recap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So is slashdot the official reddit recap? This was posted there a week ago.

    1. Re:Recap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      go back to reddit then, faggot. you gay gay gay faggot.

    2. Re:Recap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, you're from reddit and you suck cocks daily? How about (((You))) go back there and suck their cocks instead?

  12. Whom Americans Spend Their Time With by QuietLagoon · · Score: 0

    FTFY :)

  13. Sex robots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For most people, certain types of social interaction are a fundamental need like eating or sleepy. But if you're tired or hungry, it's pretty clear what you need to do to not be tired or hungry (that is, sleep or eat). But it's a lot less clear what a person needs to do to not feel lonely, horny, etc. Many people try to find solutions on the internet (Facebook "friends", internet porn, etc.) but somehow that's often not enough - they still feel lonely, etc. On the other hand, there are plenty of people who feel lonely despite being married and spending significant time in the close vicinity to their spouse. If there's one reason I would like to have been born in some future time, it's because I would like to have robots available to could fulfill my social interaction needs.

  14. My Best Friend Died... by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 3, Funny

    My best friend died last night, so I had to reload a saved game from earlier in the day.

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    "That's the way to do it" - Punch
    1. Re:My Best Friend Died... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you get your friend back then?

  15. Quality Of Friends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Usually by late 20s people have weeded out the bad friends and stuck with the few good ones. Many people in early 20s are surrounded by "friends", yet still lonely. This also has a lot to do with self realization as well. Once you fully know who you are it becomes easier to determine who you want to hang out with instead of who "should" hang out with.

  16. True Friends... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Keep coming back even after you stop doing drugs and booze. The losers go away. Even my future wifes hot BFF stuck around after we made out once, best friend I ever had!

  17. My Best Friend Died...Mr Handy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Mine did as well, so now I have to use my left hand.

  18. Advantage if you're anti-social by GeekWithAKnife · · Score: 1


    That social fellah that thrives on human contact is statistically likely to sink into depression being alone in old age...

    BUT if you're anti-ocial then THIS IS IT! - that time you have been waiting for all your life, to be left the fuck alone.

    I look forward to the next study when such people speak of feeling liberated from the inane drudgery of mundane every day interactions with people.

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    A 'singular oddity' is an event that cannot be explained and only happens when you are alone.
  19. Younger people have less time? by bigdavex · · Score: 1

    Is there a miscellaneous or something? What am I missing? 15-year-olds have 10.52 total hours and 39-year-olds have 16.19 total hours.

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    -Dave
  20. I'm doing it wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm in my 30s and can't imagine having fewer friends than I already do.

  21. Of course by argStyopa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We spend our school days trying to figure out where we are in the social structure of our world.

    That effort, once we hit puberty, turns into the search for a suitable mate.

    By 25 - according to the /general/ development of humans, not the last 70 years of extended fertility and 'modern' prioritization of career over family - you should typically be done seeking a mate, and into child raising.

    Once you're done raising children, you're more or less reproductively superfluous and should die off all else being equal.

    Plus, around your mid 20s-early 30s you start realizing that so very many of your so-called friends are really assholes you put up with, and choose to no longer do so.

    By your mid-40s you're starting to suspect that MOST people are really assholes, and ultimately there are just a few people (optimally, your spouse) that you really enjoy spending time with, if anyone.

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    -Styopa
    1. Re:Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, current spouse is really a narcissistic asshole as well.

    2. Re:Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry you married my ex.

    3. Re:Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Plus, around your mid 20s-early 30s you start realizing that so very many of your so-called friends are really assholes you put up with, and choose to no longer do so. By your mid-40s you're starting to suspect that MOST people are really assholes, and ultimately there are just a few people (optimally, your spouse) that you really enjoy spending time with, if anyone."

      Would upvote for truth if I could, but instead I'll point out the mechanisms that I think underlie it. I banged this out quick, so it's a bit rambly.

      For some reason my liberal former-friends[*] have distanced themselves from me and don't find my political commentary as interesting and humorous as they did when it fell in line with their thinking--i.e. before I flipped to conservatism. The idea that I might have evaluated what my "side" was doing, decided that they've gone way too far overboard and are being counterproductive, and changed my mind is *literally* incomprehensible to them. "Normal" people don't do that. "Normal" people double down on whatever they've planted their roots in, reality be damned.

      Everyone is hard-wired to seek certainty, and to be certain that you're certain, even when it's patently obvious there's no such thing as certainty in the real world. Having a stable peer group on "your side" provides a form of certainty. Fundamentalist religions provide another more fanciful form of certainty.

      As people get older, they become absolutely sure they know everything, they've got everything figured out, and they're absolutely right about it. Learning anything new becomes nigh impossible, and you can forget changing their mind about anything. And they get pissed-off offended when you try to show them a flaw in their thinking or demonstrate something entirely new to them. It interferes with their self-image as someone who has a good bead on things. Eventually even a simple conversation about anything beyond the superficial becomes ridiculously difficult.

      Even if you manage to get them to listen, and even if what you tell them clearly invalidates their view, they're probably not going to change it. Why? Because then their entire life would be thrown into complete upheaval.

      Think about showing a fundamentalist Christian how Genesis 1 and 2 don't even agree with each other. If they accept this demonstrable fact at face-value, it necessarily starts a cascade of revelations if the person's even a little bit honest with themselves: The Bible can't possibly be literally true if it says two different things that can't possibly be true at the same time. Maybe the Bible isn't meant to be literally true. Maybe it's not even *important* that the Bible be literally true. Why spend energy fretting over the Bible being literally true?

      It's childish to think that fundamentalist Christian would just go to church the next Sunday and tell his fellow fundamentalist worshipers about the amazing revelation he had the previous week. No, if he does that, he's telling his friends and peers that he's throwing their values and norms out the window, and soon he'll be looking for new friends and peers. Most people aren't going to cope well with that kind of ostracization. Another option is to keep his mouth shut. But who wants to have to pretend to be someone their not, or pretend to believe things they don't really believe? That options provides just as much of friction and cognitive dissonance and, eventually, bitterness.

      But what if that fundamentalist Christian tells himself that the Bible is an amazing, mysterious work of God, and that there must be something that *he* doesn't understand about it? What if he convinces himself that something must have just been lost in translation from the original texts (compartmentalizing, for the moment, the fact that his group believes that the King James Version was also inspired by God) so their probably isn't a discrepancy at all? What if he tells himself that since there's so many people around him for whom it's obvious there's no discrepancy, then, wel

    4. Re:Of course by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 1

      That whole get married in your 20's thing never made much sense to me. At that age you're just out of school and probably have a little bit of money to spend on yourself. Why the heck would you want to tie yourself down with a wife and, horrors, children? Don't you want some time to create a life for yourself before you lose the option?

    5. Re:Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, flipping from liberalism to conservatism as one ages is pretty common, as per the old saying “if you aren’t a liberal when you’re young, you have no heart, but if you aren’t a middle-aged conservative, you have no head.” ... or words to that effect. It's had a lot of variants over the years.

      And on the face of sheer self-interest such a shift probably makes sense. As we get older, assuming we're successful in our lives we have more of a vested interest in maintaining the status quo, because we have more to lose by disrupting it.

      Anecdotally, I've seen a number of cases where formerly rabid left wing friends flipped completely over to being rabid right-wingers. It was the tendency towards extremes that remains constant in those cases, not the content of the political views. I've never seen it go the other way though.

    6. Re:Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, having grandparent age people around confers significant benefits to both child rearing and governance. Maybe today elders can feel superfluous, but that's a defect of our culture, not our lifespan.

    7. Re: Of course by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

      I was a hardcore, staunch Republican in high school and college (90s/early 00s). As in, I sincerely believed Democrats were all closet communists who wanted to destroy America. In my early 30s (Bush #2), I started to have misgivings... Clinton ended up being -- at worst -- "mostly harmless", and Bush (#2) and the Republicans in Congress just couldn't seem to do anything right. In 2008, I was horrified by the prospect of Obama winning, but less than a year later, the Republicans in the House & Senate managed to change my mind & convince me *their* agenda was naive at best, and probably was actively-harmful.

      By 2016 (now in my 40s), I was within an inch of changing parties since I hadn't voted for a Republican for at least 4-6 years, and could count the number of Republicans I still respected on one hand. I wasn't exactly thrilled by Hillary, but saw her as infinitely less harmful than Trump.

      Then Trump won, and the Democrats in Congress proved they could be every bit as petty, vindictive, and self-mutilating as Republicans. Now, I'm just disgusted with both parties.

      The Democrats were all set to become the new party of middle-class America & about to skim off all but the most rabid-right from the Republican party in the most radical political re-alignment since Reagan... then they totally fucked it up. The Democrats could have TOTALLY hijacked Trump, played his ego into their own hands, & formed a working alliance with moderate Republicans, but got so caught up in Trump's misogyny/racism/* that it derailed the whole thing.

      My theory: Democrats (as voters) were drifting rightward, and the party itself was drifting rightward as former Republicans switched, but at its core, its leaders still fantasized about being overgrown campus leftists. They decided they'd rather be marginalized, hysterical leftists than the new centrist majority party, and realized that by going nuts over misogyny, racism, and Mother Earth(tm), they could fend off the increasingly-rightwing n00b-Democrats and keep the party firmly on the left.

      End result: disillusioned by both parties. Still nominally-Republican, but usually vote for Democrats. I think the best scenario would be a schism within the Republican party that skims off enough extremists to give Democrats a shaky majority, then sends the more conservative Democrats running towards a newly-centrist Republican party. Ideally, Congress would be ~5% hard-right, 47% Republicans, and 48% Democrats. The Republicans could ally with the right if Democrats got too loopy, but the Democrats could get enough Republican support to pass most sane legislation if the Republican leadership got too dogmatic.

    8. Re: Of course by weepinganus · · Score: 1

      Now, I'm just disgusted with both parties

      I believe the phrase for which you're searching is "two cheeks of the same ass."

    9. Re:Of course by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The description sounds much too nice to be my ex.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    10. Re: Of course by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The move to the right is a little askew. Civil rights for minorities have made great strides since I was young, while income inequality and exploitation are way up. War has become less acceptable. We're a different society now, arguing about different things.

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    11. Re:Of course by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      Actually, I did caveat that:
      "...according to the /general/ development of humans, not the last 70 years of extended fertility and 'modern' prioritization of career over family..."

      Pre modern medicine (actually, frightfully recently in my view) the death rate for women in childbirth was atrocious generally.
      (http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science_of_longevity/2013/09/death_in_childbirth_doctors_increased_maternal_mortality_in_the_20th_century.html - note 'medical professionals' actually made it tick UP in the early 20thC)

      However, it seems to be clear that maternal death rates from childbirth are high for early teens, drop for later teens, and drop to their lowest for women in early 20s before climbing again steadily.

      https://bmcpregnancychildbirth...

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      -Styopa
  22. Agenda 21/30 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look it up if you're < 40, then wake the fsck up.

  23. Just America? Please.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Didn't Siddhartha already explain this one? Prepare yourselves. You're going to be old, alone, sick, and scared. Everyone is.

  24. Re:With Whom Americans Spend Their Time by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

    :)

  25. Did they measure it right? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    Does yelling "get off my grass" counts as interaction and the kids count as acquaintances?

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    1. Re:Did they measure it right? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

      Those kids are pigeons. Your eyesight is deteriorating.

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      "That's the way to do it" - Punch
    2. Re:Did they measure it right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Does yelling "get off my grass" counts as interaction and the kids count as acquaintances?

      Nowadays, I have to yell at the neighborhood kids to "get off of my WLAN".

  26. Assuming this was face to face? by kencurry · · Score: 1

    Wondering how the curves look if you included on-line time. Then of course one has to wonder if FTF friend is same as Facebook friend? And if alone on computer is the same is just alone?

    I overhear my son gaming with his friends and he is yelling in headset at the screen. Sometime it reminds me of my grandfather yelling at the TV when I was a kid.

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  27. Prescriptive grammarians have fewer friends. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The qz web page title says:

    You have less friends as you get older, and you spend more time alone, according to the data — Quartz"

    "less friends"? sigh.

    Hah! The captcha was "contempt"

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  31. Introversion by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 1

    LOL. I don't want to spend time with anyone after having been around people for 8 hours at work.

  32. Not all sweetness and light, however by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    While this study may appear to show friendships grow back after retirement, they don't always.

    There are well know problems with people with extensive work and research and travel related relationships having trouble adjusting in retirement, as they have to replace the extensive non-family or work-related relationships with other ones. Especially prominent among men.

    Shows up during job change too.

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  33. Re:Just America? Please.. by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Actually, most people end up fairly happy as they age. Unless they disconnect from family and friends they started with, by moving far away.

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  34. American Public Education by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    He got "a" right. So we'll award him a passing mark and let him move up to the next grade.

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    “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
    1. Re: American Public Education by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Typical American report card:

      15/15 Participation
      20/20 Attendance
      20/25 Positive Attitude
      10/10 Recess & Lunch
      5/10 "You're" - partial credit for finding a homophone
      10/10 "a" - good job! :-)
      5/10 "douche" - great effort!

      85/100 'B' grade - your child's "honor roll" bumper sticker is enclosed with this report card.

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  38. I miss us smoking weed and putting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Albums on the turntable.
    I particularly remember unwrapping and playing Rolling Stones Some Girls.
    Dark Side Of The Moon. Don't give me that do goodie good bull shit HOLLY SHIT.

    All I can do is sit at home and reminisce.
    I still turn an album once an awhile instead of Itunes.
    Have not even seen weed in about 10 years.

    I might buy a time share where it is legal or fucking move..

  39. It's easy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As we grow older, kids replace friends (and, if you can be theirs by 18. you win!). We all grow apart / go different ways and pickup new buds along the way. I've got buds I can reach-out to, but talk with 1yr. They're good guys but they, nor I, have the time. in our 40s. #FamilyRules
    -T

  40. Libertarianism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look it up: Libertarianism

    1. Re:Libertarianism by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Last time I read a Libertarian platform it combined some ideas I like with some that would be horribly unworkable in practice (regulating pollution with private lawsuits, for example). I'm not going to support a political party that has no clue about what it would do if in power.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    2. Re:Libertarianism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GP mistyped. Look up "libertarianism" or "liberty" or the select readings of a select few people. I won't give a name for the very reason you already mentioned (indirectly): fucking pointless nitpicks. Find someone for whom you already align somewhat either philosophically or religiously - hopefully there's a libertarian in that small circle. Don't challenge yourself too much, your reply above ... well just be careful!

      A libertarian doesn't believe that the people upstream of them has the right to poison the water. How this addressed is a detail. Important, but only a detail.

      What matters is that a libertarian OUGHT oppose endless war (military industrial complex), domestic prohibition - literally a modern day holocaust in the millions of lives ruined year after year for decades on end (war on drugs / big alcohol / big tobacco), the prison industrial complex, intrusions into our personal lives (domestic spying*, TSA, 4th amendment breaches), the medical cartels (via the pharmaceutical industry, AMA - look up what they did to black medical colleges and learn why your EPA comment is such a trifling, pointless nitpick). Yes, they oppose educational monopolies (or monopolies on those tax dollars) that are contrary to the students this money ought to serve (not bloated pension funds approved by politicians only concerned with the next election, not the next decade).

      You're probably lazy, so here's a link:

      https://www.propublica.org/art...
      "The AMA apologized to black physicians specifically for a history of systematic exclusion of black physicians from the AMA and its constituent societies. In order to join the AMA for most of its history, you had to belong to a local medical society. Many of those local medical societies were closed to black physicians, particularly in the South. And this condition persisted right up to the civil rights era."

      They weren't racists though! It's all about control and restricting the medical profession so they can control prices. Of course that is the motivation for many seemingly racist activities (like WoD).

      Dumbfucks who aren't libertarians (small "l") hand this type of control over to entities like AMA. Note that it matters not whether it is nominally "private" or nominally "public". If ultimately they use the force of law to prevent Person A from cooperating** with Person B, then that private/public label doesn't matter.

      TLDR - you suck at evaluating ideologies

      PS: "regulating pollution with private lawsuits" - somewhat contradictory since "lawsuits" are not private though they can be brought on by a private party - other parties can do the same, even in a civil context - maybe you meant to use the word "civil"???

      *because - in reality - international spying is the pretext for monitoring domestic (read "political") threats - which is the main concern.

      **cooperation could mean contracting, doing business with, trading, working together, etc - it the most natural, social instinct we have and naturally the one fascist, bootlicking dumbfucks who are not libertarians attack the most vehemently

      CAptchA! gratuity - well ... you're very f-ing welcome!

  41. By 30s, you lose the option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Women's biological clock ticks faster than people think, and it takes youthful vigor for a man to build his family up. You're wasting time.

  42. Re:Of course, nonsense by geekymachoman · · Score: 1

    While I believe people are growing and changing, evolving (some are not) throughout their lives, I think the 20s are most critical, and people in their 20s should not raise a child.

    What does a 25yr old have to offer to a child in terms of guidance and wisdom when the same 25yr old is just beginning his adult life and most are totally clueless about life. Even the older ones often are, but that's a different matter.

    Similarly, most people are not assholes, but they think other people are, so they become assholes themselves and/or isolate themselves and stop trusting everybody hence contributing to the whole problem.

    Take a fucking chance, you might get surprised.

  43. Confirming the obvious? by sabbede · · Score: 1
    You spend time with your friends, then you find one you want to spend all your time with and proceed to make babies with them, babies with whom you then spend most of your time. Then they grow up and leave, but you're still working so you spend most of your day with coworkers. Then you retire and spend most of your time with that one friend you picked in your 20's, or by yourself.

    I guess it's nice to have that formalized, but it ain't a big shock.

  44. Control for Hobbies by holophrastic · · Score: 1

    I'm 37, and the biggest thing, in terms of time, that I've found myself amassing is hobbies. My sportscar paid-off and therefore pretty close to free to enjoy at pennies per minute. The kayak costs virtually nothing. The theremin, kalimba, and hammock chairs are completely zero cost. Video games, reading, and even tvision are basically pennies per hour. Even home DIY amounts to very little cost per-day. Cooking and gardening and the theatre are cheap too. I already lack the time to master any one of them. I don't look forward to retiring to be with friends. I look forward to retiring to focus on all of the hobbies I've learned to love.

  45. Lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just realized that I've been reading /. stories and comments offline for the past 20 minutes on my phone. It's an app called S2.

  46. Re:Of course, nonsense by nasch · · Score: 1

    There's not much guidance and wisdom that can be imparted to a baby. And hopefully as the children grow up, the parents grow in wisdom and maturity as well. If you wait until you're in your 40s to have kids, A) it could be much harder to conceive and B) you'll be in your 60s or 70s when they're teenagers. Maybe that would be fine but it sounds tiring to me. I think mid 20s to mid 30s is the perfect time to start having kids.

  47. Re:Of course, nonsense by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    The simple fact for most of the history of humanity is that having a baby in your early 20s meant the highest chance that the mother actually gets to LIVE through the experience.

    In most people's calculus, that's slightly more important than being able to 'give them better guidance' because you waited longer to have them.

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  48. Yep. by antdude · · Score: 1

    I noticed a lot of old friends got busy with their own families, work/job, etc. It sucks, and I miss them. I hate being old! :(

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