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Tesla Says Its Model 3 Car Will Go On Sale On Friday (apnews.com)
Electric car maker Tesla says its keenly awaited Model 3 car for the masses will go on sale on Friday. From a AP report: CEO Elon Musk made the announcement Monday on Twitter. The car is to start around $35,000 and with a $7,500 federal electric car tax credit, could cost $27,500. Tesla says the five-seat car will be able to go 133 miles (215 kilometers) on a single charge and will be sporty, accelerating from zero to 60 miles per hour in under six seconds. Editor's note: the article was updated after the Associated Press, the original source, updated its report.
215 miles is roughly 346 kilometers (not 133).
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The units appear to have been reversed as 215 kilometres is 133.6 miles.
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Nah, whoever did the conversion messed up the operation (divide/multiply). Per Tesla's site, the range is 215 miles.
It's not, but per the Tesla site, the range is 215 miles. Whoever did the conversion just messed up.
https://www.tesla.com/model3
Nope, it is 215 miles. https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/mo... It is the kilometres that is wrong, should be 346km.
From the website:
Starting price in USD. Local pricing will be announced in 2017.
Production begins mid 2017.
Delivery estimate for new reservations is mid 2018 or later.
Elon's tweets say:
Model 3 passed all regulatory requirements for production two weeks ahead of schedule. Expecting to complete SN1 on Friday
Handover party for first 30 customer Model 3's on the 28th! Production grows exponentially, so Aug should be 100 cars and Sept above 1500.
Looks like we can reach 20,000 Model 3 cars per month in Dec
Neither of them. The error appears already in TFA.
Range starts at 215 miles with the base battery, but can be more. For long-distance trips you use Superchargers which are usually very convenient.
I find the people who obsess over range to be non-Tesla owners who just don't understand that having a full "tank of gas" every morning with no effort more than makes up for the occasional road trip when you need to use Superchargers.
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The point of the Model 3 is that it isn't that expensive. It'll be in the same price range as the Bolt / Ampera, and should cost about the same as the upcoming Volvo EV. I wouldn't call it overpriced, and especially here in Europe an EV is a lot cheaper to maintain and run than a regular car.
Instead of saying that it doesn't meet the needs of most people, you could say that these vehicles almost meet the needs of many (maybe most) people. Almost but not quite. So just rent a car for the one or two longer trips you make each year. One manufacturer here includes a free rental for such longer trips. And for those buying an EV as a second vehicle this generally isn't an issue at all.
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Depends on the charger of course, but assuming you are using Tesla's supercharger, you should get approximately 80% battery in under 25min.
My model X with all it's windows on a hot day in North Carolina sitting on the side of the road used about 3miles of charger per hour to keep the cabin comfortable. I don't even worry about the AC anymore.
However, turning on the AC in traffic kills the battery...
Actually, it doesn't. I've been driving a Nissan LEAF (a car with a much smaller battery) for five years now, and I don't worry about the range impact of the AC at all. The heater is a different story, but AC has virtually no impact on range.
I think part of the reason that AC seems to impact gasoline efficiency more than EV range is the fact that gasoline engines generate a lot of heat. There's a semi-insulated firewall between the engine compartment and the passenger compartment, but I think a lot of the heat still makes its way through, so an ICEV's AC has to work a lot harder. Electric motors produce very little heat anyway, and none when not moving. Batteries also produce a little heat when discharging, but, again, that is negligible except when at high output... which only happens briefly, during acceleration, and even then isn't that much.
All of this means that EV AC only has to cool the passenger compartment from heat that flows in from outside and is generated by incoming sunlight. It doesn't have to fight heat coming from a 200-degree block of metal sitting two feet in front of the passenger cabin, or the heat from the tailpipe flowing under the passenger cabin.
Anyway, that's only my theory, I don't know if it's remotely related to the truth. What I do know is that running the AC has negligible effect on range. I have a few times opted to turn the cabin heater off in the winter to make sure that I had enough battery to get to my destination (which isn't as bad as it sounds, since the car has heated seats and steering wheel; and those have no impact on range). I have never found it to be of any use to turn off the AC. If I'm getting close to the end of my battery in the summer, the only thing I can do is get off the freeway so I can drive slower.
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The only question that really matters is: What is the charge time? 215 miles is a reasonable enough range; but if you're planning a 250 mile trip, you don't want to have to make an overnight stop! If you can charge the car enough in, say, a 15-minute rest break that it can keep going for another couple of hours, then it's a viable vehicle. If not, it's not.
Not sure why this have been modded up as it's pretty much common knowledge that there is Supercharger Stations about everyone in NA that will charge 80% of your battery under 30min.
And yeah the Model 3 will be compatible with those station.
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I'm a Model S owner (P100D -- range about 325 miles or so)
I recently took my Tesla on two family trips. one to Pinhurst, NC (about 600 miles) and one to Deep Creek Lake (about 200 miles).
the car performed spectacularly on both. we easily fit everything we needed for a week's stay in a cabin for a family of four in the trunk and the frunk (the back is cavernous for a sedan).
on the Pinehurst trip, I stopped halfway at a supercharger station in the parking lot of a nice family restaurant / pub. the car was ready to continue well before we finished eating lunch.
At Deep Creek Lake, I simply plugged in to a standard 120 volt exterior outlet on the cabin, but there were also destination chargers around the area if I had needed to charge more quickly.
particularly on the coasts, there are are tons options for charging when necessary. However, I feel like focusing on charging is missing the point. Since buying the car in September, those two long trips are the only times i've ever had to charge the car publicly. it charges overnight in my garage. i've got a full 325+ mile range every morning. it's like owning a car that never needs a fillup. (plus the acceleration has to be experienced to be believed :) )
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That's too high by factor of 10. Article quotes 23 miles per 100,000 driven. So 11.5 miles shorter after 50,000 miles, which is more reasonable.
Partially true, partially not.
1) Battery age: This is correct. Battery range declines with time. Tesla warranties their packs for 75% of the initial range, for 8 years and unlimited km.
2) Temperate climate: This is mostly correct - but it can go either way. Tesla's range calculator shows, for example, that the P75D (EPA range 259mi) at 65mph does:
0F, heat on: 211mi
32F, heat on: 233mi
50F, heat on: 253mi
50F, heat off: 267mi
70F, AC off: 275mi
90F, AC off: 279mi
90F, AC on: 260mi
110F, AC on: 246mi
3) Traffic: It depends entirely on the type of traffic. While gasoline vehicles perform best at the lowest speed they can manage in their highest gear, EV optimum speeds are far lower, often in the ballpark of 20 mph, where their ranges can exceed their EPA ranges several times over. For example, the above P75D (EPA range 259mi) has the following speed-range depenency (70, no heat/AC)
Sub-45 mph: Not included in the calculator
45mph: 404mi
50mph: 367mi
55mph: 334mi
60mph: 303mi
65mph: 275mi
70mph: 250mi
Over 70mph: Not included in the calculator
Steady-moving traffic that simply slows down travel speeds actually increases EV range, potentially significantly. However, braking in traffic that strongly fluctuates between speeds wastes energy - Li-ion EV regenerative braking is generally 50-75% efficient round-trip (hybrids, with their small NiMH packs, generally are much less efficient round-trip, around 30%). In general, low speeds advantages win out over braking disadvantages, which is why EVs generally do much better in city driving than highway driving - the opposite of gasoline vehicles.
A key detail most people miss over when talking about traffic: does anyone realize how long of a drive you're talking about when you describe using up an entire EV's range in stop-and-go traffic? Say you're talking about an average speed of 15mph for an EV that would have 200 miles range in that conditions. You're talking about spending over thirteen hours in traffic in those conditions. When was the last time you spent over thirteen hours continuously in traffic?
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