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Japan's Population Falls At Fastest Rate Since 1968
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Reuters: Japan's population, excluding resident foreigners, fell at the beginning of this year at its fastest pace since comparable figures were kept in 1968, highlighting the demographic challenge to economic growth. As of Jan. 1, the number of Japanese people fell by a record 308,084 from a year earlier to 125,583,658, marking the eighth consecutive year of declines, government data showed Wednesday. The number of births fell 2.9 percent from the previous year ago to 981,202, the lowest since comparable data became available in 1974. People aged 65 or older accounted for 27.2 percent of the total population, the highest ratio on record, while the ratio of those aged 14 or younger fell to a record low of 12.7 percent, the data showed. The number of registered foreign residents increased to 2,323,428, up 6.9 percent from a year earlier, according to the data.
This has really got to do with Japanese women's roles in society and opportunities.
Japanese society says to Japanese women you can either have a child or a career . Seems Japanese woman are choosing a Career.
The times are a changing my friend.....
It's not a problem when it's peaceful... but it means the death toll gets crazy high whenever a radioactive monster or space armada attacks the city.
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Sorry to blow your mind, but the USA is BEHIND Japan on penis size:
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It's not like Tokyo is going "holy shit 13 million people is not enough! More births please!"
Have you seen Tokyo's population? That city could definitely use a decrease. Who the fuck wants to live in such close proximity to that many people?
I found it more tolerable to live close t that many people than to live close to any other people, including my own. The Japanese nature is ideally suited to living in close quarters. Even though it's not overall a crowded country - it's all small villages and unpopulated wilderness when you go out of town - they enjoy living close to each other.
*Nothing* happened in 1968. That's when they started keeping detailed records of the population growth rate. Things were a mess in the post war years, so it took them a while to get back on track.
As a father of 2 kids, I've performed my evolutionary duty. :-) However, there are plenty of younger people in the US who aren't, and in my opinion they're being somewhat rational. Having kids is a big risk unless you just don't give a crap -- they cost a lot of money and you have to be much more careful about maintaining your income and savings than if you were on your own. Millenials are also skipping traditional adult rites of passage like marriage, house-buying, etc. that lay the groundwork for a family. Plus, those that do have kids are having fewer, later. Generally, people are less religious, have heard of birth control, and are less worried about child mortality, therefore less inclined to have "spare" children.
Japan has a few things that are really slowing their birthrate - almost zero permanent immigration, a very slow economy for the last 20 years, a traditional society that says women can have either children or a career but not both, and a reputation for a workaholic culture. People are just so busy spending their lives at work so they can keep their jobs that having a family comes second. This is a big reversal from the 1980s/1990s...I remember growing up hearing that Japan was taking over the world. MBA programs were toying with the idea of making Japanese language study a requirement if I remember correctly. This is similar to what China is doing now, but China has the population to sustain it in my opinion.
We in the US could be headed down this road too. Imagine if we close the borders and enter a period of economic stagnation. Couple this with the trend towards unstable employment, the gig economy, etc. Back in the 50s/60s, a man could count on being employed for life by a large US company and would take on the risk of a family, kids, house, car, etc. Now (IMO) we've let the pendulum swing too far back in favor of employers and removed any loyalty/stability either side had to the other. Hopefully people will realize that they want stability again once this Second Dotcom Bubble bursts and takes many of the sharing economy employers with it.
And don't compel them to assimilate or work! That'll take care of Japans problems!
Have you seen Tokyo's population? That city could definitely use a decrease. Who the fuck wants to live in such close proximity to that many people?
I found it more tolerable to live close t that many people than to live close to any other people, including my own. The Japanese nature is ideally suited to living in close quarters. Even though it's not overall a crowded country - it's all small villages and unpopulated wilderness when you go out of town - they enjoy living close to each other.
That's because Japanese culture, in general, understands manners and social graces. Things Americans wouldn't think twice about are major faux pas in Japanese society.
Americans seem to think that if they are kind to a stranger, if they yield, if they voluntarily allow someone else to be first ... if they say "excuse me" and actually give the other person a second to move instead of immediately invading their personal space like it was not a polite request but a warning ... if they decide that blocking high-traffic doorways, hallways and other narrow shared public spaces might be rude ... if they show any sort of respect to another person especially one they don't know, who is not their boss in any way ... well then they lose at least ten points.
Americans don't think of these things as common courtesy - that was a generation or two ago. Now, Americans think of these things as acts of subservience, a tacit admission that someone else is better than you. They have confused self-centeredness with individuality. So they think that "who will take your shit without serious challenge" is the real measure of self-hood and significance. Ask any American who has ever worked a job in retail. So it's no wonder that Japanese are better at living closely together with less (though certainly not zero) stress overall.
The real issue with Americans is they're generally so very provincial. They tend not to have personally experienced foreign cultures and don't think much about multiple ways to do things. This is a major flaw because the whole American Melting Pot concept is based on conscious awareness, not mindless obedience from lack of other known options. Plenty of cultures other than the Japanese can highlight this, it's just that this one was on-topic.
If you want to have a replacement rate of 2.3 children per woman some women will need to have at least 3 kids. I'm lucky, my ex and I had excellent educations and very good jobs. However in Canada having more than 2 kids is in many ways an exception and there are lots of little things that are surprisingly biased against families larger than 4. I've seen in some cities that are more dog friendly than kid friendly and when they do have facilities or policies for small children it is for one child. So if most western countries require a woman to start a career before having children then the number of women having them will go down, if women are discourage from having their first child until after 30 it gets worse and if you make it difficult or almost weird for women to have more than 1 or 2 children then it's pretty much mathematically impossible to maintain a population without large amounts of immigration.
Also at some point our health care system started spending the majority of its money on people in their last 18 months of life. There are a lot of other wealth transfers from the young to older generations, house prices, government debt... There is likely some tipping point were the share of the economy that is given to 18 - 30 year olds becomes so small that they don't feel secure enough to start a family. My suspicion is that most western countries crossed that point a while ago.
Maybe if we started respecting and encouraging other people's culture rather than always invading and destroying they would flourish. Our arrogance is totally destructive.
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Because the Rape of Nanking was such a respectable display of humility and positive culture.
Please tell me liberal academia isn't churning out people with this degree of self-loathing and gullible stupidity.
Not sure how yet, but somehow robots will be involved in the solution.
Table-ized A.I.
While there's definitely some truth to this, a large part of it is also that Japanese tend to be much passive aggressive. So, the whole subway groping phenomenon is so pervasive that basically nothing is done about it. And those who want to raise awareness? They use kawai imagery because even anti-groping messages have to be cube.
Talk about pot calling the kettle black. Japan is massive provincial, xenophobic, sexist, and generally peaceful based upon a system of mindless obedience. The American Melting Pot concept is not base on conscious awareness as much as constant exposure which happens in cities but not most of rural America. This does not translate into wholly self-centeredness but there's definitely a lot more of it and more awareness of it in American tourists--consider how few Americans leave the country and see how much that creates a huge bias.
In any case, the Japanese crave cities like a lot of people crave cities: it's the best place to have a sustainable career with a substantial income. It's why the East/West coasts in the US have so many people. The main difference is that in the US the vast majority of the rest of the space is wide, open space. In Japan, it's mountains. It's little wonder a greater percentage might cluster around cities that have been heavily leveled/terraced. The other major point, of course, is having 125 million people in so small a space,
regardless.
You spend your entire school life studying your ass off. You aren't supposed to do much outside of school except study. Having a relationship is discouraged to the extreme.
Then you get a job where you work 12 to 16 hours a day, 7 days a week. You have no time to actually meet someone so the odds of having a relationship are slim. Added bonus. Your boss will treat you like shit. Everything you do will be criticized. I guess it's some mistaken belief that you'll work even harder.
On the unlikely event you find and marry someone at work, she has to quit her job and have babies. You get to keep working 12 to 16 hours a day, 7 days a week. So if, by some miracle, you have children, you'll never see them.
No wonder young people are rejecting the entire social system and hiding from the world or committing suicide.
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Because cities are where the jobs are. People don't want to live in cities, but most people prefer living in the outskirts of a large city and spending half their lives commuting to a job in the center than living with space in the forest.
Given the choice, I (and many others) would choose to live in a large house in a small town or village, and have a short congestion-free journey to work or work remotely.
If i live outside the major cities, i can afford a much larger house which includes dedicated space for home working.
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Yup. People act like a decreasing population is a disaster, but the reverse true. Put bluntly there are too many people on this planet. We can either reduce our population, as Japan is doing, or suffer the consequences (see India, Africa etc). Japan is living proof that this can be done in comfortably, despite the dire warnings from economists and politicians with an investment in the perpetual growth con.
You are a fucking nutcase.
There folks is the opinion of a Consumer Sucker destined to live their life perpetually in debt so they can have the life the advertisers tell them they should have so the companies can sell them ever more shit they don't need to keep the money train rolling.
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The actual goods and services consumed by pensioners will still be produced by the contemporary work force. The funding is just bookkeeping. If the number of consumers vs producers are too far off then at least one of the sides will suffer, no matter how you stack it.
Unless productivity per man-hour suddenly shoots up. It just might, but that's a pretty scary bet.
There is also a downside to a savings-heavy approach: a greater portion of the economy is owned and governed according to the interest of pensioners, at the expense of the rest of society. Might not always be what you want.
But it's funny you mention Sweden - the Nordic countries are an interesting contrast to Japan: There it is common for women to have both children and a career, thanks to generous maternity and paternity leaves, and comprehensive subsidized daycare. The birth rate is still a bit shy of balanced, but they are nowhere near heading for the scale of problems that Japan or even Italy are facing. Does require quite a fair bit of taxing, though.
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Because all people are exactly the same, and Somalia is exactly the same as Japan.
Right on the money! ;-)
Don't know why you're getting shit.
But seriously, Japan just beat the rest of the world to the endgame of the current system. And hey, this isn't the first time in history where people say "fuck it," and quit. I'm right there with those evil people refusing to breed, pretty much for the reasons you put down. Once the power structures at large become visible in all walks of life, you feel the cage, and unless you can find a way to ensure security (or you are one of the few with true power/influence), children become a gamble for yours and their future.
Does this really sound that cynical or unrealistic? I really hope every parent out their succeeds, and I do think having a family/village would be fun -- but if you have to work so much to get ahead that you can't spend time with your kids, what's the point?
Oh for fucks sake, quit it with this nonsense. This whole "exploitation of the majority for the minority" fits any form of government. Do you think the common man lived any better under the various feudal systems that predate the modern capitalist economies? The same holds true for all of the communist systems that were tried as well, with huge disparities between the proles and the party leadership, with the only difference being that everyone was poorer. At least in western capitalist countries there's some form of social mobility where a poor immigrant like Andrew Carnegie can become wealthy and powerful. Medieval peasants didn't go around becoming lords unless they found a sword in stone.
People are having fewer children because we're so productive and good at keeping them alive, there isn't as much incentive to spawn half a dozen or more for extra farm labor. Household productivity is likewise vastly improved to the point where women can work part or full time outside of the house without the household falling into complete disarray so most of them don't want to sit around being a baby factory either. And its a good thing as well. The world doesn't need even more people when we haven't figured out how to make sure that the ones we have are all at a reasonable baseline and not committing various atrocities towards one and other.
The rest of the world could learn from their example and allow the earth's population to drop naturally.
Instead everyone falls back on knee-jerk beliefs that
- We need exponentially growing economies, which require exponentially growing populations, which are impossible to sustain on a finite planet
- Going to Mars will somehow alleviate overpopulation on Earth
- Populations are leveling off, which isn't related to the problem that we are over the planet's carrying capacity, drawing down and depleting resources
- Too few young people won't be able to support older ones, despite increases in productivity that allow 2% of the population to do what used to take 25%, to use the example of farming
- Lowering the population means eugenics or racism
- Human nature [insert opinion about human nature]
- Fusion or some other technology will save us (without population control it extends the overshoot leading to collapse)
- etc
All of the above beliefs are demonstrably wrong. There's no reason we can't allow the population to decrease without hurting anyone or any economy by simply having fewer children. Everyone would live in a world of more abundance per person. There would be as much culture as before and the species' chances of survival would increase.
The challenge is doing it. Step one is disabusing ourselves of the above beliefs.
He is being moderated down because most people are indoctrinated to take offense at anything critical of capitalism, no matter how remote that criticism is.
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Oh for fucks sake, quit it with this nonsense. This whole "exploitation of the majority for the minority" fits any form of government. Do you think the common man lived any better under the various feudal systems that predate the modern capitalist economies?
No, but that's no reason to "quit it" with what you call "this nonsense". The simple fact is that constant vigilance is the price of freedom precisely because human nature has not changed. Things are much better for the average person today than it was then, but the way we are living now (as a species) is unsustainable and is destroying our habitat. We can't just rest on our laurels because things are better today than they were during the dark ages.
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"People are having fewer children"
No, they're not. Not globally, for sure.
Yeah, Japan, Western Europe, the US of A - also some Eastern European countries fit the profile of "diminishing population". So what? that's more than compensated by Africa, most of Asia, maybe South America (too lazy to look at the data). World's population is booming despite the reduction in western civilization countries.
Want to stop population reduction? Carefully select and allow immigrants in, without yelling "omg they gonna steal our jobs". There, population problem solved.
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If you do move far from mommy and daddy, it gets harder to have those kids from a lack of support. I know, my parents (and my in laws) live on the other side of the country. Having young children and no family support network is pretty hard.
But the game is broken and I won't play. Not in the US anyway.
Don't sell the rest of the West short. Did you know that there is a feminist ideology based snow plowing system in Sweden? https://heatst.com/world/femin... It appears that clearning the roads is pandering to the Patriarchy, and since women are more likely to walk and bicycle, (their stupid assumption) the orders came down that the roads get plowed last, the sidewalks first. Didn't work for some reason.
One of the most amusing and stupid things about humanity is that no matter the political leaning - left or right - there are always asswipes who believe that their ideology trumps physics. Ideology only trumps intelligence.
Meanwhile, not playing the game is a pretty good strategy.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
But they have the biggest dick as president. That must count for something.
The latter condition drives the former. I used to wait politely for people to finish what they're doing and move out of the way. But they don't. They sit there in the middle of the aisle / lane, blocking traffic without a second thought while they yammer on their phone about who their cousin is dating this week. You politely ask them to move or say "Excuse me, please, may I get through?" and they glare at you like you just ran over their dog. If you're lucky, then they'll slowly amble out of the way while giving you the finger. Don't ask what happens if you're unlucky.
So yeah, Americans are the worst. And I grew up with them. I'm always cognizant of my surroundings and not impeding others. The rude behaviors I do have are simply coping mechanisms to deal with my fellow citizens who couldn't give two shits about anyone beyond themselves.
That said, when I travel overseas I leave all that stuff at home. No one reason to inflict it on the rest of the world. EU and Japan are a joy to visit.
In short: people are the problem.