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Once Valued at $3.2B, Wearable Company Jawbone Shuts Down, CEO Launches New Startup: Report (axios.com)

Consumer hardware company Jawbone is being liquidated, according to The Information. From a report: The San Francisco-based company, which once was valued at $3.2 billion by private investors, has hired Sherwood Partners to handle the wind-down process and assume its ongoing litigation with rival FitBit. Jawbone 2.0: Co-founder and CEO Hosain Rahman reportedly has formed a new company, named Jawbone Health Hub, that has hired many of Jawbone's employees and will take over servicing Jawbone's products. BlackRock, which loaned Jawbone $300 million in 2015, has a stake in the new company. No other existing Jawbone investor has a stake in the new startup, with one telling Axios that his firm has been kept in the dark.

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  1. If you don't succeed the first time... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 0

    Looks like some VCs got suckered in for a second round of blowing money out the wazoo.

    1. Re:If you don't succeed the first time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Someone should make a computer they can wear on their wazoos to track the amount of money blown out of it.

    2. Re:If you don't succeed the first time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aren't you a treat

    3. Re:If you don't succeed the first time... by captaindomon · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Maybe the new investors should talk to the old investors.

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    4. Re:If you don't succeed the first time... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Maybe the new investors should talk to the old investors.

      BlackRock is an old investor. They probably stayed in to avoid writing off their previous investment as a loss.

    5. Re:If you don't succeed the first time... by Pascoea · · Score: 1

      Dammit where are my mod points? That's funny as hell. well done.

    6. Re:If you don't succeed the first time... by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      Actually, many entrepreneurs are more successful on subsequent startups (although, I believe it is usually the third or fourth business that they start which succeeds).

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    7. Re:If you don't succeed the first time... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Someone should make a computer they can wear on their wazoos to track the amount of money blown out of it.

      Some VCs are starting to pull out from these unprofitable unicorns.

    8. Re: If you don't succeed the first time... by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      The revenue stream from the government using it to attach to sexual offenders would bankroll the whole business.

    9. Re:If you don't succeed the first time... by Khyber · · Score: 1

      For that, you'd need to talk to WeVibe as I hear they have expertise in that area.

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    10. Re:If you don't succeed the first time... by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      It is gambling in a way, though... for every 20 startups that you (intelligently and with forethought!) dump $1m into, one of them is fairly guaranteed to get you $25-30m back or more within five years.

      Obviously Jawbone could've been one of the moneymakers - if they IPO'd or sold to a bigger company like 3 years ago. :/

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    11. Re:If you don't succeed the first time... by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but c'mon... sunk cost is sunk cost, I get that, but how much did they pitch in initially to make them throw that much money after it in 2015?

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    12. Re:If you don't succeed the first time... by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      But most still subscribe to the "bigger fool" theory and hope to get out and leave someone else hold the bag.

      Judges 15:15

      And he found a new jawbone of an ass, and put forth his hand, and took it, and slew a thousand men therewith.

      That's nothing, this jawbone will slew the millions of dollars of any asses who invest in it.

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    13. Re:If you don't succeed the first time... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Some VCs are starting to pull out from these unprofitable unicorns.

      If they pull out early enough they will have an easier time fighting the paternity suits.

    14. Re:If you don't succeed the first time... by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Insightful

      hope to get out and leave someone else hold the bag.

      You just described the stock market. And the bond market. And the Federal Reserve...

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    15. Re:If you don't succeed the first time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe the new investors should talk to the old investors.

      Jeez, you could've at least read the summary.

    16. Re: If you don't succeed the first time... by dougdonovan · · Score: 1

      and again, investors to ceo, if you like your job, do something different.

    17. Re: If you don't succeed the first time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The sole new investor is one of the old investors. Looks like some criminal syndicate is still looking for a way to launder their money. That's the only reason I can see most of these vcs making such piss poor uninformed and uneducated decisions.

    18. Re:If you don't succeed the first time... by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      Hey, if you've got money coming out the wazoo, you should do something with it.

      At least according to E-Trade.

    19. Re:If you don't succeed the first time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hosain Rahman

      Is this one of the H1-B ragheads we were told we can't live without?

    20. Re:If you don't succeed the first time... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 0

      Is this one of the H1-B ragheads we were told we can't live without?

      Son of immigrants.

    21. Re:If you don't succeed the first time... by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 1

      Some VCs are starting to pull out from these unprofitable unicorns.

      If they pull out early enough they will have an easier time fighting the paternity suits.

      They're pulling out alright, just not the head or the orifice you're thinking of.

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    22. Re:If you don't succeed the first time... by Slashdot+Junky · · Score: 1

      Yep! The sad thing is that when all shakes out, it is the 1% that walks away with all the gains while leaving the 99% to eat all the losses. This is the purpose of the IPO. Go public and then trade your VC stake for other people's cash before the business model is known to be shit causing the supposed company value to drop back to zip.

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    23. Re: If you don't succeed the first time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I made a quarter million dollars from the stock market in my lifetime, and I'm sure as shit not the 1%.

      You are a fucking imbecile.

    24. Re:If you don't succeed the first time... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Pull out from these unicorns? That's what she said?

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    25. Re:If you don't succeed the first time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You just described the stock market. And the bond market. And the Federal Reserve...

      And yet it's people like you, who don't invest in these things because OMG wall street speculators and gambling, that will come to us when you're old and say, "I'm old and broke, please pay to take care of me."

    26. Re: If you don't succeed the first time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "That's not mine."
      "How do you explain the horn then?"

    27. Re:If you don't succeed the first time... by Pascoea · · Score: 1

      Don't forget Social Security. I have no illusions that the bag will be empty in 30 years when I'm due to start drawing the money that I've been paying in since I was 16.

  2. once was valued at $3.2 billion by private investo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I just invested 5 bucks in Turd, LLC. I deem it to be worth 5.7 billion dollars. Where's my payday?

  3. Once valued at 3.2E9$? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, were are these dollars now? They never existed? Money is a consensual hallucination.

    1. Re:Once valued at 3.2E9$? by pastafazou · · Score: 1

      They've been temporarily transferred to Tesla, along with many other imaginary billions; the company that sells less than 1% as many cars as Ford sells, yet is somehow is worth more.

    2. Re:Once valued at 3.2E9$? by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      Sales units sold is completely meaningless when valuing a company. I could sell a billion units and you could sell one, and your company will still be more valuable than mine if I'm losing 100 dollars per unit and you're making 10 dollars per unit.

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    3. Re:Once valued at 3.2E9$? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's based on potential future earnings. That's possible if Tesla owns patents that other auto-makers use, or they become a parts supplier for them.

      Word verification: guiltily

    4. Re:Once valued at 3.2E9$? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Sales units sold is completely meaningless when valuing a company.

      Wow, with that kind of sound advice, I bet you're killing it in the market. Is your real name Warren Buffet? And here's a word to the wise, if one company is selling a billion units at a loss, yet aren't going insolvent, just based off the capital they'd have to have to produce a billion units, I promise you they're worth more than your company is selling a single unit at a small profit.

      Also, Tesla is hemorrhaging money, indicating they're the ones selling at a loss, while Ford is making money, indicating they're selling at a profit.

    5. Re:Once valued at 3.2E9$? by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      It wasn't money.

      Money supply does not include company valuations in M*

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    6. Re: Once valued at 3.2E9$? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wut?

      Tesla is in the green, and has been for over a year... You fucking imbecile.

    7. Re:Once valued at 3.2E9$? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      So Telsa (which lost $4.77 per share last year) should still be worth more than Ford (who made $0.94 per share)? That's what has happened, the stock market has been incredibly slanted away from performance and more towards hype. I kind of like it, it's keeping many companies that pay good dividends (like STB - 7.2% yield right now) low in terms of shares, because they are "slow" and "profitable" rather than hyped up about being "disruptive"...

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    8. Re: Once valued at 3.2E9$? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2

      Huh? I guess if you call losing $330 million last quarter, and $720 million over the last 4 quarters "in the green" - then you are verifiably color blind...

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    9. Re:Once valued at 3.2E9$? by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      Apples and oranges. I argued that number of units sold is not a smart way to value a company. That's why people use things like P&L statements and balance sheets. You're coming back to me with earnings per share - which can tell you a lot more about a company that just quantity of units sold. Your statement does not refute mine. And still, using only earnings per share can get you in trouble too.

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    10. Re: Once valued at 3.2E9$? by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      You realize it's perfectly possible to show a loss on your financials and still be making money, right? Especially when your sinking money into a new factory. That's why you ALSO need to look at the balance sheet.

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    11. Re: Once valued at 3.2E9$? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 3, Informative

      You realize it's perfectly possible to show a loss on your financials and still be making money, right? Especially when your sinking money into a new factory. That's why you ALSO need to look at the balance sheet.

      Not when you follow GAAP. It's highly defined, and you cannot "ignore" capital costs - that's why they are amortized over time. The only way that Tesla is "making money" is when you use non-GAAP accounting and ignore expenses that other car companies do not ignore. You may increase your net worth by "investing" more than you actually make (meaning - you take loans to invest, or in the case of Tesla you sell more shares of stock, getting loans from shareholders), but your income is still negative. Net worth may increase, but income is negative. Flat out, full stop.

      Hey, my net income would look a LOT better if I didn't have to actually "recognize" my mortgage payments or my health care insurance premiums! A solid $3K per month change in my stated monthly cash flow! Of course, I can't do that - that's not accepted. Even if most of it is going to build total "net worth", my cash flow still takes that $3K/month hit. Hey, why don't I go get a $50K/month mortgage - well beyond my monthly income - and claim I still have the same income, I'm still cash-flow positive (no loss - profit!) whilst building more net asset value? Can't do that... That's called fraud.

      Tesla was slapped by the SEC for it's non-GAAP shenanigans, and now reports GAAP numbers. All of which show Tesla losing money. As is correct. Corporate value - net assets - may be increasing as cash flow is spent on factories, but that does not change the fact: they are spending more money than they are bringing in, they have a negative earnings per share.

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    12. Re: Once valued at 3.2E9$? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but that does not change the fact: they are spending more money than they are bringing in, they have a negative earnings per share.

      Vehicle manufacturing is a capital intensive business and Tesla is still ramping up factories and production lines to compete head to head with the established major auto makers who themselves took decades to build up the size and capital to be where they are today. Of course, the car business has never been particularly profitable over the long run. In fact, it's a well known secret the Warren Buffet has long shunned the industry in general because of high capital equipment and research and development costs. Tesla is still in "growth" mode right now, or at least that's the show that Musk is putting on. Whether or not you believe that or will ever profit from the investment is a matter of much opinion right now. Personally, I think that the Tesla shareholders are either geniuses sitting on the biggest vehicle play of this century or fools looking for the greater fools. Either way, it's definitely high risk and high potential reward or loss, but I don't own it because I like to sleep at night.

  4. Pebble by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

    Fitbit did this with Pebble. Why shouldn't their competitors get to do it too? Silly Valley is a special place with unicorns and the old rules do not apply there anymore.

    1. Re:Pebble by Solandri · · Score: 4, Informative

      Fitbit didn't do it with Pebble. Pebble's management spun it that way to try to shift blame away from themselves - making it sound like Fitbit was the one eliminating Pebble's jobs. Fitbit simply bought Pebble's IP, nothing more.

    2. Re:Pebble by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      I have a Pebble watch on my wrist. I am the one abandoned, not some people who worked at Pebble. Who got new jobs at Fitbit anyway.

  5. Fairy tales by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

    We need stories like this to remind investors, and people in general, that unicorns are made up. Especially the kind that come in startup form.

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    1. Re:Fairy tales by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Read "Hatching Twitter: A True Story of Money, Power, Friendship, and Betrayal" by Nick Bilton, which can be summed up in a Mark Zuckerburg quote: "[the four founders] drove a clown car into a gold mine and fell in." Twitter as a technology was an afterthought as the founders squabble over who would be CEO, spent investors' money out the wazoo and didn't bother finding a way to make money.

    2. Re:Fairy tales by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Wait, you mean a company that is losing $200 million a month, their only product is an app, and with a massive executive overturn recently isn't worth $60 billion? Unpossible!

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    3. Re:Fairy tales by pastafazou · · Score: 1

      google synthetoceras

    4. Re: Fairy tales by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This country ain't what it used to be. It is getting so bad that billion dollar valuations disappear at the drop of a hat.

    5. Re:Fairy tales by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Abe.com has copies of that book for $2.99 Creimer, and you don't get your referral bonus if people buy the book there.

    6. Re:Fairy tales by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Abe.com has copies of that book for $2.99

      For one used copy of the dead tree edition for $6.48 (including shipping). Meanwhile, Amazon has 47 used copies starting at $6.46 (including shipping)

      Creimer, and you don't get your referral bonus if people buy the book there.

      Damn... I was counting on that half-penny.

    7. Re:Fairy tales by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      I thought Unicorns were the big investors that came along?

    8. Re:Fairy tales by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 2

      No, we need stories like this to remind everyone that in life there are winners and losers. For sure some win through luck and good timing, and some lose through entirely external forces, but most of the time, companies (and people) win by making good choices, exercising restraint at the appropriate time, hard work, and learning from failures. Jawbone had terrible customer support, released products that were clearly not ready and that will kill a company about as fast as possible, especially when there is competition in the market space.

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    9. Re:Fairy tales by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      I had two jawbone headsets, I was quite happy with them, what killed them was the march of tech.

      The last headset I owned was 90% as good and 1/5 the cost.

      I appreciated the good noise cancellation (when speaking) and AD2P streaming when it was rare, and it was easily worth the money, but it was never going to be worth the money a year later when Plantronics had decent sets at $20-30.

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    10. Re:Fairy tales by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      No, unicorns are the pre-IPO companies valued at more than $1 billion. Big investors in unicorns are called "suckers"...

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    11. Re:Fairy tales by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      I would still rather pay an extra two cents to a bookstore on a website completely unassocited with Amazon. You seem to consider Amazon a business partner. I consider them a sometimes necessary evil.

  6. I really wanted to like Jawbone by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 4, Informative

    The tech in the headset was fantastic for its time, but the wire ear loops repeatedly snapped off just from putting the unit on your ear. Their response to the raft of complaints was to put out a YouTube instructional video showing how to put a Jawbone on your ear "properly" (i.e., without breaking it), and to only sell replacements in 3-pack of different sizes -- use one, throw the other two away. This doesn't surprise me at all.

  7. Re: once was valued at $3.2 billion by private inv by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

    Pikachu! I choose Apple's worth on paper!

  8. How is this even legal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They just ducked all their financial and legal responsbilities and just form a new company. Who would invest in such an obvious scam?

    1. Re:How is this even legal? by Infiniti2000 · · Score: 1

      The whole purpose of a corporation is to shield the "owners" from civil litigation as much as possible. As an interesting fictional analogy, I suggest picking up a copy of Cryptonomicon by Neal Stephenson. In it, the main characters drop their first startup Epiphyte and create a new one without the pending litigation, called Epiphyte(2).

    2. Re:How is this even legal? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 0

      It's a standard procedure in merger and acquisition circles. Buy a struggling company, put the "good" assets into a new company, leave the "bad" assets (i.e., pension obligations) in the old company for liquidation in bankruptcy, and load up the new company with debt to pull out the cash. Perfectly legal.

    3. Re:How is this even legal? by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?... "Corporation. Noun. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility"

    4. Re:How is this even legal? by JDAustin · · Score: 1

      This is how the federal government fucked over bond holders (who have first dibs on the money in BK) when GM was re-organized.

    5. Re:How is this even legal? by crunchygranola · · Score: 1

      Fiction. There was $27.2 billion in general unsecured debt from general unsecured bondholders who did not have "first dibs" on the money. They were in the same asset class ("seniority") as the United Auto Workers pension fund. It is up to the administrator of the bankruptcy how creditors in the same class are treated. As it happened, the bondholders ended up with a 10% ownership share so they were not left out in the cold.

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    6. Re: How is this even legal? by bestweasel · · Score: 1

      From Ambrose Bierce's The Devil's Dictionary

  9. Getting rich quick in Silly Valley by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The San Francisco-based company, which once was valued at $3.2 billion by private investors, ...

    What bullshit numbers. Those people sell a fraction of the company for an obscene amount all based on pie in the sky numbers.

    Silly Valley "investors" would believe a pizza place could make a billion dollars a year.

    My uncle owns a business out there and he's trying to sell it so he can retire. I told him to have someone write an app that does something - anything, associate it with your store, and you'd be a billionaire over night!

    And then go public as a "tech" company and all those (stupid) people will buy up the stock and keep bidding it up into stratospheric levels and you'd be richer than Zuckerberg! Especially since you are actually profitable!

  10. Your value is your last company in the Valley. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .. and this CEO just had to shut down his company, what does that say about his worth?

    He has a lot to prove.

  11. Welcome to the Age of Cyberpunk and Post-Cyberpunk by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    The per-item value of trinkets and doohikies is rapidly declining, as are the supposed values of some tacky, commercial online/web services and appy app-apps. Protonet just closed shop after being a big crown-funding darling child just 3 years ago. We're seeing the same with Rocket, errrm Rippoff Internet and countless other blowhard startup projects. Jawbone had their jawbone thingie but wanted to extend it beyond it as fast as possible and they failed. People don't seem to realise that it's mostly about big bets and very little substance.

    The first jawbone device was a neat idea for the quantitive-self crowd and could've carried on as some special must-have device for the hippster sportive folks, they should've stuck with it and not inflated their brand so much so fast.

    The most valuable thing today is peoples time and attention, as the most valuable thing in the cities today aren't cars but parking spaces. It will take some time and a few more crashes before the economy adapts. That's my suspicion anyway.

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  12. Translation by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Thanks for the money, now fuck off!

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  13. This is sort of sad. by pecosdave · · Score: 2

    There used to be some good premium Bluetooth headsets. Jawbone led the pack, BlueAnt had a good strong showing, and there were a couple of other also-rans that weren't so bad.

    Jawbone is gone, BlueAnt's inventory is drying up and getting dated.

    There's all sorts of stuff from China that's super cheap, and some of it isn't too bad, but there's nothing that reaches their reliability and has JawBone/BlueAnt noise cancellation. Motorola stuff has horrible background noise and it's actually painful for me to listen to when someone is using one on the other end. Jabra has gone desktop and never did have the noise cancellation down (but did have the most comfortable headset I ever wore). Plantronics, despite being known for indoor/desktop stuff is sort of stepping up to the plate. Still there's really nothing left that really fills the void being left by Jawbone.

    I personally consider talking on the phone an annoyance I can't avoid. I work, drive, and do chores with my hands. I started using headsets back when the only really good option was a Jabra with a wire, I even figured out how to integrate that wire and headset into my clothing so I never had to stop doing what I needed to get done for a phone call. Before that even as a teen I got a headset for my normal wired phone so I could keep doing what I needed to do.

    I'm really going to miss Jawbone for headsets. I don't think the fitness band was a bad idea, but the company shifting focus to it probably wasn't the greatest move they made. They should have focused on making cheaper but still high quality headsets, maybe even going binaural so the music people could get their fix. Had Jawbone kept their focus right they could have been the people who beat Apple to the market with their own Airpod.

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    1. Re:This is sort of sad. by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      Mentioned this in another thread, but jaybird's earbuds are great.

      Fit well, highly water resistant, good sound quality, mediocre battery life.

      (not affiliated with the company at all, just use their headphones, and they work great.)

    2. Re:This is sort of sad. by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 1

      Seconding pecosdave here. I used Jawbone earpieces for years and they were great. They even gave acceptable performance in my sports car with the top down. They last one I bought two years ago was a piece shit, however. It was allegedly the sam model as the one i lost, but it had a reduced feature set, the audio sucked, and the bluetooth connectivity was troublesome. Frustration pushed me to be an early adopter of AirPods, which are greatly superior to Jawbone. They were the top of the heap in their market niche, but they tried to jump into a different segment and neglected their core business success. The end was inevitable.

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    3. Re:This is sort of sad. by pecosdave · · Score: 1

      I may give Jaybird a look-over, but I doubt they'll do it for me based on first glance. I have some binaural stuff, but they just don't have the "pull it out of your jeans 5th pocket and use it" simplicity.

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    4. Re:This is sort of sad. by sl3xd · · Score: 1

      Your experience differs from mine. I loathed the Jawbone headset I was given - by a relative who absolutely hated it too.

      The only positive thing about the experience is that it didn't cost me anything.

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    5. Re:This is sort of sad. by pecosdave · · Score: 1

      I got someone else an Icon right after it came out and I regretted it. She liked, it, it didn't appeal to me.

      I've had the original, the Jawbone 2 (possibly the best model), the Prime, and I think the ERA. Had some mixed feelings about the ERA - let me guess, you had an Icon?

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    6. Re:This is sort of sad. by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      yeah, they're definitely geared more towards "pull out of your gym bag, and go for a run"

  14. Not surprised by Hoodsen · · Score: 1

    The UP 3 sounded really interesting when it was announced. I was on a fitness kick at the time, and my girlfriend ordered one for me for Christmas. At the time, Jawbone was saying it would deliver by December 22. December came and went. We called, and Jawbone gave no reason but said deliveries would be delayed, and that it should be shipping soon January came and went. We called again. Same answer. February, March... the device didn't come until April.

    When I had finally received it four months later, I found that the UP 3 had tons of problems. The biggest one was bluetooth syncing. It was supposed to constantly be sending data to the phone through bluetooth. But, the bluetooth connection failed multiple times a day. When it would fail, I would have to repair the band.

    Also, the initial marketing for the UP 3 was heavy on the heart rate monitoring feature. It seemed based on the advertising that I could use the band to track my heart rate during the workout. But when the band shipped, it would only track resting heart rate while you slept.

    Finally, the band just died. Customer service was terrible. Long waits on the phone, to hear them tell me they weren't authorized to send me a replacement. If that wasn't enough, was that in the midst of all of these UP 3 problems, Jawbone announced the UP 4 shipping soon. No discounts for the UP 3 users dealing with all the crap. On top of that, the UP 4 just seemed silly, with the only new addition being that could be used to make American Express (and only American Express) payments.

    So I'm not surprised at all to see them fail. And given the track record with this CEO, I would strongly recommend against investing in any of his future projects.

    1. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I'll follow the investment advice for a jerk off who has all day to sit around commenting on Slashdork.

      Go get bent, shitbag.

    2. Re: Not surprised by woodendogwonder · · Score: 1

      A little history from a consumer's perspective on Jawbone's fitness tracker foray-- Jawbone purchased and shut down BodyMedia; BodyMedia made arm-band fitness trackers that were worn on the tricep and were the only FDA-approved fitness tracker for use in a clinical setting -- the television show The Biggest Loser used BodyMedia armbands for many seasons (i.e. since before the iPhone existed.) BodyMedia had years of clinical data relating to accelerometer/heart rate/temperature/galvanic sensor readings, diet/nutrition intake, and user biometric data/weight. After the acquisition, Jawbone killed the next-gen BodyBugg/GoWearFit wireless/Bluetooth/waterproof Core armband that BodyMedia had announced at CES, and then Jawbone tried to shrink the BodyMedia galvanic skin response (sweat-sensing) technology down to fit into the UP3 wrist band. But Jawbone owed Chinese contract manufacturers money and the manufacturers held them hostage with ransom for a bigger share of the profits to produce the UP3 (after a delay because the initial production units were defective). Jawbone's woes were previously covered on Slashdot. Meanwhile, during Jawbone's CM debt turmoil, Apple announced the Apple Watch which caused many of the UP3 preorder customers to request refunds on their undelivered UP3s -- refunds that Jawbone was legally required to provide by the merchant terms of major credit cards that require product delivery within 90(ish?) days of accepting payment. (Yep, Jawbone charged money up front for the UP3 preorders.) I hated Jawbone for killing BodyMedia and for their poor previous products-- In 2008 I bought an Aleph One headset that didn't noise cancel (when the promotional video showed it being used in a helicopter.) After acquisition, Jawbone took the BodyMedia brand and shuttered BodyMedia's superior technology, abandoned paying happy monthly BodyMedia subscribers, and managed to botch the UP3 manufacturing and overall product. And yes, I feel that their CEO sounded like a tool/prick in his brief fireside interview with Embedded.fm. What a waste. The last BodyMedia armband was more accurate and discrete than my Apple Watch when I wore them both at the same time as a test. But Jawbone shuttered the BodyMedia subscription service and told subscribers to buy feature-poor and inaccurate UP3s. So now we are stuck with sub-par watch-based fitness trackers due to Jawbone's arrogance and held patents.

  15. Unicorns by sdinfoserv · · Score: 1

    So, this is how unicorns die - VC $$ blown then reincarnated into some other useless product.

  16. The sheep have been fleeced completely... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...time to move on to the next town.

  17. They did it to themselves by p51d007 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When I bought my first Aliph Jawbone headset, I was amazed at the ability of the "noise assassin" to knock down noise. So much so, that I was on the phone during an ice storm, where we had part of our office running on two gasoline generators out in the parking lot. I was on the phone talking to a coworker and turned the noise canceling off and then on and he was amazed that if he didn't know any better, he would never have known the generators were running. Kept with them buying another one that was considerably smaller, but, by the time they came out with "the new era" one, it was a piece of junk. VERY poor battery life, kept disconnecting etc. Sent it back, the replacement didn't work, sent that one back, had poor battery and sound quality. I gave up on them and looked elsewhere. I think they stretched themselves with all the do-dads, speakers, fitness bands, and let their headset part falter. Yeah, a lot of people don't use these, but someone in my line of business NEEDS that type of headset working in a noisy environment and needing both hands free. Hopefully someone will buy/license their noise assassin technology and put it in their headset.

  18. Re:once was valued at $3.2 billion by private inve by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

    IT was once valued at 3.2B by private investors means that someone bought some percentage of stock at that value. Say, $32M for 1%.

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  19. How is he still trusted to make money? by HockeyPuck · · Score: 1

    It had raised more than $580 million in funding from top investors like Khosla Ventures, Mayfield Fund, Andreessen Horowitz, Sequoia Capital, and Kleiner Perkins.... and... BlackRock, which loaned Jawbone $300 million in 2015, which has a stake in the new company

    Plus 14 rounds of funding.

    How is this CEO still trusted with anybody's money if he blew through over half a billion dollars? #SuckerBornEveryMinute

  20. Best headset I ever had by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bought the original Jawbone headset for it's noise and wind canceling. It was THE BOMB. It was the first headset I had ever used, where people cod hear me clearly. I also have the second generation, which fit better in the ear, but was a bit light and unstable.

    All in all, I was disappointed when they shifted away from the headsets. Not doing much hands free work anymore, requiring headsets, but if I do, I'll probably go with Plantronics.

    1. Re: Best headset I ever had by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Best noise cancelation to this day. Con calls in datacenters were a non-issue. F-ing health monitors ruied the best-of-market item. CEO was a dumbass, and even more so for doubling down. Please for the love of humanity, sell the noise assasin patents to plantronics.

  21. Playboy CEO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I saw him with court side tickets at the warriors all the time. He had models in and out of headquarters doing photo shoots. He acted like he'd made it when he hadn't.

  22. Another Example of Adapt or Die Death by BBF_BBF · · Score: 1

    Jawbone was once one of the top rated high end Bluetooth headset providers. They didn't adapt and expand as necessary to keep up with the shifting market.

    It's not like they didn't try (like Blockbusters) but their attempts were all failures.

    RIP... along with Blackberry, Palm, etc.

    1. Re: Another Example of Adapt or Die Death by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jawbone isn't dead, they just never had any decent working products except for their $32B valuation that allowed them to swallow decent companies for toilet paper stock certificates. I foresee a quick transition into the new Jawbone becoming a patent troll that makes use of the transferred IP from all of Jawbone's previous acquisitions.