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Tim Berners-Lee Approves Web DRM, But W3C Members Have Two Weeks To Appeal (defectivebydesign.org)
Reader Atticus Rex writes: A high controversial Web standard has received a seal of approval from Tim Berners-Lee, the inventor of the Web and its chief technical decision-maker. Opponents like the Free Software Foundation and Electronic Frontier Foundation say that the standard, Encrypted Media Extensions, is a step backwards for freedom, privacy, and a host of other rights on the Web.
There's still a two-week window in which members of the W3C can appeal the decision, and the Free Software Foundation is asking people to email and encourage them to do so. Update: The W3C has announced that it would publish its DRM standard with no protections and no compromises at all.
There's still a two-week window in which members of the W3C can appeal the decision, and the Free Software Foundation is asking people to email and encourage them to do so. Update: The W3C has announced that it would publish its DRM standard with no protections and no compromises at all.
done deal
Why is it just up to Tim Berners-Lee to decide yes or no on this?
24/7 internet rage machine chugs along. You'll forget about it in a week though.
Need a href.
This will destroy the openness of the Web if allowed to stay. The last hope will be with browser makers: no standard gets supported if code isn't written. This is corporate capture of the Web. Personally, I'm done with the Web. The layers of JS, security vulnerabilities out the wazoo, malvertising, and endless seas of "you must register (so we can track you) to proceed" walls make the Web a joke.
Smart people will move to other protocols that aren't so profit-driven or privacy-destroying.
He's rich. He's part of the Deep State. He's one of them.
He is also in the twilight of his life; the sun will soon be down. He can just kick back, say "fuck it" and collect some serious coin. $$$$.
Now he will spend his days drinking, whoring, smoking weed in some tropical paradise. What's he care?
damn, forgot you can do that here, been shitposting on 4chan too much
The Web is not the Internet. Hurr hurr...
I am both gay and a n1gger. How do I officially join the Association?
The Web is not the Internet. Hurr hurr...
Who said it was...?
Tim is a pragmatic individual, willing to negotiate to protect his life's work.
"$some_random_citation. (WARNING: Link behind a DRMwall.)"
Coming soon to a summary and comment thread near you.
Thank you for being a friend
Traveled down the road and back again
Your heart is true, you're a pal and a cosmonaut.
And if you threw a party
Invited everyone you knew
You would see the biggest gift would be from me
And the card attached would say, thank you for being a friend.
can I join gnaa if I am a furfag?
...we don't need all the useless shitty content on the web. Always trying to maximize the economic value of the internet through various forms of marketing will eventually just lead to the end of freedom on the internet, whether by corporations or by governments. We are already very close to that now.
Just fork the web browsers and fork the specifications. If everyone ignores him they become the new web standards de facto
I could program a replacement for the HTTP protocol that is better, more secure, etc. I could also fix DNS too.
Here's the catch, the same people that hate DRM wont pay me to do so. As a result, it'll never get done!
You? You conflating the two as if they were the same thing.
You make me want to dry hump TBL's grossly plump arse, and save the juice for your cockholster of a mouth.
MIGA - Make (the) Internet Great Again :)
The unencrypted network has become too commercialized. VPNs have become as common as VPSes, as much to get around local surveillance, geofencing of media content, etc.
If we can't beat 'em, let 'em have it and making something new they are too stupid to take. The masses can rest on their laurels while the rest of us advance humanity, as it has been since time immemorial.
captcha was 'devoured', as in 'the normies have devoured the culture of the internet, and left reality tv, their lives, and trashy internet dating in its wake.)
because if YOU believe something it is sweet reason and smart people would never disagree with you. Have fun being loudly "done with" the web... on the web.
Yessuh you can suh.
Link example 1 and example 2.
Your choice. The old times of limited availability are gone forever.
Relevant link:
http://defectivebydesign.org/b...
'nuff said.
In Internet, i won't see DRM'ed movies, DRM'ed music, etc.
But if i fall to see them then i believe that they will block me.
Right?
that means it's no worse than this case. I fail to see the problem. There's a good chance you're wrong and this would be less fucked up, and there's no chance it'll be worse.
Odds are on.
You have to have a specific program installed to make it work in both scenarios. You still have to keep each program updated for hacks (and OS support when it's deprecated), it's only for the blessed version of the OS (or broweser and OS), and only the accepted version of CPU. You still have to download a separate thing for each datastream format.
The only differences are for the EME method are
1) You run them all through the browser instead of with individual icons. Whoop de fucking doo
2) Your browser is now a massive infection pot because of all these programs that have more access to your OS and even the hardware than you, or even sysadmin, do
There's no fucking difference for #1 and #2 is a massive difference and a huge problem.
Hell, with flash you have #1 and your problems with #2 are limited by flash's inability to have more control over your system than you do.
So flash IS A BETTER OPTION THAN EME!!!
When he sees that there's no W3C licensed free browser that works because there's no way to package the EME in it, that there are thousands times as many exploits and "freedom free zones" and the entire point of the WWW is crashing around his ears, I hope he's still here to see it.
Stupid fucker. the success of the web has now become the success of him, and he so very badly wants it to succeed he's doing whatever he's told is "necessary" and not actually thinking himself.
You get burned in an UV bed and then fuck yourself in the ass.
fuck that, DRM is ere whether we like it or not. Far better to have it standards controlled so at least everything can implement equally rather than the current BS where various platforms are locked out.
Our only hope is that the EME interface becomes a single point of attack, gets cracked and everybody installs a plugin that bypasses it, in the spirit of NoScript , AdBlock, etc. If the *users* decide how they want to use the web, it doesn't matter what the standards gods proclaim.
You mean that thing the internet cracks within hours every time you release a new one? Yes, greedy ass media companies of the world... PLEASE waste more money on this :-)
I immediately thought of one of my most popular vice presidents, Al Gore, who stated, that he "invented the internet."
And I immediately think that you think you're smarter than Vint Cerf, in spite of voluminous counter-evidence (your posting history)
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Is it time for a new standards organization that listens to the people rather than the corporations?
Why not have a true free web standards committee and browsers and various entities would try to comply with it rather than W3C.
Remember, W3C is the place that gave us XML and XHTML (two rather hideous abortions) and they sat on their hands with HTML 5 until other groups (WhatWG.org in particular) came along and started to make progress. Then W3C jealously took it back over. Why? It baffled me at the time. Who cares about W3C? They are obvious a compromised organization.
Easy to predict the future in this case.
The free part of the net simply stops being W3C compliant. No way for TIm and his coterie of Crapheads to force the DRM on us.
Just means we stick to older versions of HTML. The new standards only work if webpages are made to satisfy the new standards. As long as little or few webpage makers pick this up it's a dead letter.
So contact your Web Dev friends today and tell them about how they can screw Tim & his Turds!
I recently moved to block all pictures from my favorite news site, as they started serving obnoxious ads (animated, blinking, flashing) from the same server so that ad-blocking became massively more difficult. Two weeks later, I find that I do not really miss the pictures. Bit of a surprise, really, but the site now loads very fast and has entirely stopped annoying me. This is the same: Use DRM, lose me as a viewer.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
The Internet sooner or later. And the money it makes. None of it is mine so I dont really give a fuck.
Notice the people who do are barely smart enough to speak up look how long had to weigh political retaliation and making money.
If you've loved the last two decades of comically insecure Flash players and PDF readers your going to love the future where anyone's systems can now be owned by closed source adobe CDM modules.
I like the extensions:
- I watch DRM media and would prefer to do it in a standard browser than with a "stick".
- A standard negotiated with all three browser companies and forced through the kangaroo court seems likely less favourable, more predictable, more respectful than what we'd get through one-offs with Roku, Chromecast, AppleTV, AMZN.
- companies are tying their content to their stick to create stickyness. A standard is just that: all content on all devices.
- surely the sticks are vomiting up burned-in hardware serial number evercookies that can be used for blacklisting, tracking, region-coding. I would expect a standard to come with a cookie clearing option like the "Media license" tick box in Chrome Clear Private Data, perhaps paired with a "activate 10 devices max, deactivate 4 devices per year" rule that clearing licenses too often will burn through. This is invisible to an ordinary consumer, but important to treating users fairly.
I dislike the extensions:
- Companies are expected to play video in a browser. The extensions a starting-point for locking down unrelated things that should be free, ex. "high-res video only available if ChromeOS booted in verified mode, if Chrome installed through the Microsoft Store," etc.
- Transparency has not materialized. Whatever these extensions are, I'm pretty sure Chrome already added them or worse. There is a whole "attestation" path that goes through Google servers. Yet I still can't play high-res video in Chrome without arcane, unpublished, undocumented rules. ex. it plays on laptop screens but not over HDMI. It plays over HDMI on Windows but not on Linux where there's no ioctl to turn on HDCP. It doesn't work on DisplayPort. It's flakey if an HDMI switcher is in the path. It seems the standard will be used as a foundation for the same old fuck-the-consumer weird-made-up-rules DRM we've always had, and the one-off negotiations between browsers and media providers will not be preempted by the standard but rather enabled by them. In that case it would be better to hold out, to maximize the chunk of non-participating market that could be unlocked by less onerous DRM.
Traitor to the human species.
May he be forced to only use Apple products for the rest of his shitty life.
Wrong. It's not the "web"; it's called the interweb.
you either die the hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
It is: "Money talks and bullshit walks."
There's already a preccedent for lawsuits about cutting out content http://www.vanityfair.com/holl... A legitimate outfit that deletes x-rated content from DVD/BluRay videos *THAT YOU HAVE LEGITIMATELY PURCHASED* has been sued for merely deleting sex scenes, etc.
This is an ugly precedent. If you circumvent DRM to block ads, that'll be yet another charge they can throw against you. This would probably include even something as simple as noscript or a hosts file.
I'm not repeating myself
I'm an X window user; I'm an ex-Windows user
Today, the W3C announced that it would publish its DRM standard with no protections and no compromises at all, stating that W3C Director Tim Berners-Lee had concluded that the objections raised "had already been addressed" or that they were "overruled."
Ignoring people in your groun? Sounds like he was paid off.