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Ask Slashdot: Is There a Way To Experience the Chinese Internet From Outside? (fffff.at)

dryriver writes: In 2008, a bunch of crafty developers created a Firefox plugin called China Channel. It apparently allowed you to connect to a proxy server in China, and experience the -- heavily censored and filtered -- internet as Chinese citizens experienced it back then. The nearly decade old plugin doesn't seem to work anymore. My modern Firefox browser couldn't install it. So the question: is there a way to surf the internet as if you were inside China, and experience for yourself how much of the experience is censored or filtered? It would be interesting to experience firsthand what the Great Firewall of China lets you see of the free world and internet as we know it in 2017, and what it does not.

93 comments

  1. Re:Nothing "free" about "our" world... by Kyudosha · · Score: 0

    From 0 to scumbag antisemite in 3 minutes! It's a new record!

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  2. Chinternet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Having experienced the Chinternet for 5 years, I know it's very frustrating. For whatever reason zlib's homepage was blocked for counter revolutionary content.

    1. Re:Chinternet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am a network architect earning 55K in sililicon valley after a few months I start working at a new place the internet always start to look like in china I am not sure why.
      -creimer
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    2. Re:Chinternet by desdinova+216 · · Score: 1

      what's with all of the hate towards Creimer lately?

    3. Re:Chinternet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I ordered a Genuine Creimer Cock Egg and it hasn't arrived. I expect one egg shaped rock squeezed out of creimer's big meaty cock. Now I demand to know the status of my order. And don't tell me it's still up inside his dick.

    4. Re:Chinternet by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 0

      what's with all of the hate towards Creimer lately?

      This has been going for the last four months. Some people just don't have anything better to do with their time.

    5. Re:Chinternet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's a dickhead, a troll, or both. Dude earned the dislike, as far as I'm concerned.

    6. Re:Chinternet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're following all the replies to creimer, but haven't formed an opinion on creimer himself? Come on, be honest. He contributes nothing and he's a pest.

    7. Re:Chinternet by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Given that they're always anonymous postings, it's probably just one unemployed dude.

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    8. Re:Chinternet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I post anti-Creimer postings sometimes. His postings are consistently unintelligent (if I see a really dumb post there is a 1 in 3 chance it was by Creimer), but more than that he treats Slashdot as a blog and spams it with affiliate links.

    9. Re: Chinternet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Creimer is the new APK. Nothing but a pest. Using slashdot as his blog to post affiliate links to books he has never read.

  3. APK can do this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just install his hosts file tool with the China settings, and Bob's your uncle.

    1. Re:APK can do this by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Do you work for the CIA or something? How the fuck did you know Bob was my uncle?

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    2. Re:APK can do this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Goddammit, now you've conjured him. I'm scrolling down after this post to read about just how much faster and secure his host file solution is ...

    3. Re:APK can do this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "APK's an interesting guy and unlike most of his detractors he's actually built something that actually works and he actually knows something" by Karmashock ( 2415832 ) on Thursday September 03, 2015 @07:16AM (#50449999)

    4. Re:APK can do this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      APK doesn't know shit, he just copies shit off of websites and pastes it on Slashdot thinking it makes him look smart. Lately he has been at least properly attributing it, but he has presented plagiarized content as his own before (his stupid shadow stack rant). APK is a low functioning autist posing as a know it all. Test his knowledge and his megalomaniac rants and insults will tell you all you need to know.

  4. old movie quote by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    .....preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.

    1. Re:old movie quote by Unreal+One · · Score: 1

      That would be Contact, no?

    2. Re:old movie quote by Unreal+One · · Score: 1

      Nm, face palm, Jurassic Park.

    3. Re:old movie quote by andreas.hummelbrunne · · Score: 1

      BIG facepalm please.

    4. Re:old movie quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, there you have it.

  5. pick a proxy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  6. old Vulcan proverb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only Nixon could go to China.

  7. Re:Nothing "free" about "our" world... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yep, they even own all the moderation points.

  8. AOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It would look like AOL before the Internet, except AOL without anything that was good, insightful, or interesting.

    1. Re:AOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...except AOL without anything that was good, insightful, or interesting.

      So, exactly like AOL, then.

  9. Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can still visit /., guardian, and English only part of BBC
    From Shanxi

  10. Try using Facebook,Twitter, Reddit, or Wikipedia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The big commercial parts of the internet are just as heavily censored as China ever was. And what a coincidence, the censors unironically call themselves Maoists and have connections to Huawei, Tencent, Beijing Borch, etc, except for the few that are Islamists from the SAAR Foundation.

    And look at this dream team: (1) (2) (3) (4) (5)

    I count three Wikipedia board members, one of the people responsible for the Mattress Girl rape hoax, nine or so Democratic Party activists, an executive from the New York Times, one of the Daily Show's executives, and they are all run by a board member of Twitter who used to run Pearson, the big educational company.

  11. I think that the more important question is... by sudden.zero · · Score: 1

    ...why would you want to?

    1. Re:I think that the more important question is... by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      To get better prices on AliExpress?

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    2. Re:I think that the more important question is... by antdude · · Score: 1

      For curiousity and fun!

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    3. Re:I think that the more important question is... by infolation · · Score: 1

      Can we obtain some genuine, Beijing, polluted air-in-a-can, to 'taste the difference' while we experience our Great Firewalled Internet?

    4. Re:I think that the more important question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You were probably joking, but Beijing Polluted Air in a Can actually exists.

    5. Re:I think that the more important question is... by antdude · · Score: 1

      Ha, that reminds me of Spaceballs! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

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    6. Re: I think that the more important question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most Every packaged shipping bag that you can pop has been filled in China. I'm surprised terrorists haven't used that transport mechanizm for gas or other release type substances.

  12. Re:Nothing "free" about "our" world... by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    The only thing that makes me angry about jews is that Mel Brooks still hasn't given us another Spaceballs movie.

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  13. Data retention nations, SJW by AHuxley · · Score: 0

    Just try one of the nations that keep all internet data for a few years.
    Keeping every site visited and isp accounts linked.
    At any time over many months a gov or trusted contractor can go back and find any or all users, their IM's, phone calls, forum use or web sites visited.
    The next step will be the file names downloaded, language used in search terms and a demand for a gov crypto key for big brand search sites and telcos.
    We can see SJW trying to alter search results just like China too.

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    Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
  14. Re:Nothing "free" about "our" world... by rholtzjr · · Score: 1

    I would like to see another Blazing Saddles. Classic.

  15. I'm sure this was asked in 2008 too by nnet · · Score: 1

    why?

  16. Hosts file by poity · · Score: 1

    Modify your hosts file so everything in the block list points to 0.0.0.0
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    Enjoy your visit! Now don't let it happen to your country.

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    your thin skin doesn't make me a troll
  17. No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Internal Chinese internet is extremely fast, you can easily stream 4K video, search results load instantly. The majority of people in China think the internet is very good. Now when it comes to foreign websites or almost all websites outside of china without a vpn it is nightmarishly slow. Even non blocked websites run slowly, especially at peak times of the day when people are using the contested international links. Local torrents including every tv show / movie will download in a few minutes even if they are 6gb or more

    Blocked websites are not particularly interesting you simply get a "the website unexpectedly disconnected" message or something similar as the GFW computers send a disconnection request.

    The good side of things is that 100mb down/4mb up costs 1400rmb per year (200 usd) and if your in shanghai they've started rolling out gigabit internet. Makes life good for downloading torrents.

    1. Re:No by lkcl · · Score: 4, Informative

      the "fast" websites you're referring to are things like the universities, and the "big commercial" websites. things that the majority of smartphone-addicted chinese citizens use every waking moment of their lives. things like wechat and other companies. wechat *has* to be fast because it's now used pretty much everywhere, for paying for everything from bills to groceries. the average medium-sized business however is still stuck with ridiculously-slow internet access. component suppliers in shenzhen simply cannot tolerate maintaining a decent web site because it's so slow that they just don't perceive there to be any benefit at all in doing so. i uploaded a stack of datasheets to my server on behalf of one of my suppliers, because for them to do it the speed would be so ridiculously slow they might as well not bother, and to just email them to clients on request: it's quicker and more reliable. note that's CHINESE clients.

      some insight:

      https://bugs.chromium.org/p/ch...

      this gives you an idea of what it's like to try to browse websites. literally every single problem that you've ever encountered arbitrarily and very very occasionally, perhaps maybe once every two to twelve months if that: HTTPS errors, socket errors, timeout errors at the network layer, timeout errors at the SSL layer, SSL certificate errors, cache inconsistency errors - LITERALLY every single possible network-related error - occurred on a regular and unending excruciatingly monotonous basis.

      trying to log in to https accounts.google.com just to enable IMAP took me TWO HOURS and over TWENTY refresh attempts. eventually enough got into the browser cache for it to take ONLY five minutes for the page to load... but the AJAX-controlled radio button refused to update properly, so i had to repeat the process. offlineimap (and running cyrus imap server *on my laptop*) was the only way to gain access to the 50,000 emails in my gmail inbox. it took five days to sync them all down.

      the chromium team have accidentally marked this bugreport as "related to and problem is directly caused by VPN" but it's not. you can emulate this behaviour (answering the OP's question) by setting up a network filter (which you can do with a userspace tun/tap program written e.g. in python) that randomly and arbitrarily drops between 20 and 80% of packets, and limits the traffic rate to between 15 and SIX kilobytes per second. also you should add huge packet latency as an option: up to around 20 seconds should do the trick.

      access to the UK is particularly bad (15k/sec); access to the USA is slightly better (around 70k/sec). during that massive DDOS attack (i happened to be in shenzhen at the time) all speeds dropped to around 5-10k/sec and packet loss was consistently around 80% (i run a constant "ping" in a window).

      the worst latency i saw on openvpn was around 120 seconds, when using TCP instead of UDP. yes you read that right: not 120 MILLI-seconds - one hundred and twenty SECONDS. the connection was so bad that the bandwidth throttling option of openvpn simply did not work. i had to constantly change from TCP to UDP and back, and to regularly change the port number of the VPN.

      as i have a server with a fixed IP address i gave serious consideration to writing my own userspace traffic proxy/router - not even a VPN, just a NAT/forwarding service - that would automatically make multiple connections over an arbitrary and random series of TCP and UDP connections, XOR something over the top of every packet, add a sequence number in front of the packet (exactly like TCP) and then reassemble the stream in-order at the other end of the connection.

      basically with all my contacts being outside of china, there was absolutely no way that i could conduct business in china. every single software developer that i met INCLUDING CHINESE NATIONAL CITIZENS had a VPN connection. every foreigner trying to do business had a VPN connection. every tourist th

    2. Re:No by Dr.Saeuerlich · · Score: 1

      Your problem are "dependencies", like the stupid "Like" buttons you find on pretty much every website nowadays, or javascript crap loaded from elsewhere.

      tip 1: get a custom hosts file. Some low-risk websites are just "blocked" by messing with DNS entries. This will make some dependencies load rather than time out.
      tip 2: lower your browser's timeouts. It will give up sooner trying to load Facebook's like button, and overall page load times will improve.
      tip 3: get a download accelerator. Those make a huge difference here in China! (with and without VPN)

    3. Re:No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The chinese government has realized the importance of VPNs, they apparently handed all ISPs a deadline to block VPN communication.

      https://yro.slashdot.org/story/17/07/10/1640241/china-tells-carriers-to-block-access-to-personal-vpns-by-february

    4. Re:No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      during that massive DDOS attack (i happened to be in shenzhen at the time) all speeds dropped to around 5-10k/sec and packet loss was consistently around 80% (i run a constant "ping" in a window).

      Did you realize that ICMP-based pings don't necessarily take the same routes as TCP traffic (such as HTTP tcp/80 or HTTPS tcp/443)? Try using tools for the purpose like hping3, tcping and tcptraceroute.

      the worst latency i saw on openvpn was around 120 seconds, when using TCP instead of UDP. yes you read that right: not 120 MILLI-seconds - one hundred and twenty SECONDS.

      Well, duh. You shouldn't run VPNs over TCP connections, even on decent networks. You're seeing windowing and retransmission problems caused by TCP. Just use UDP for transport and let the VPN deal with connection control properly.

    5. Re:No by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      trying to log in to https accounts.google.com just to enable IMAP took me TWO HOURS and over TWENTY refresh attempts. eventually enough got into the browser cache for it to take ONLY five minutes for the page to load... but the AJAX-controlled radio button refused to update properly, so i had to repeat the process.

      I sometimes have problems like this even in the states due to the way G+ (and other complex sites like Fb) are architected. If you include a script in a page and it doesn't load then the page just won't work correctly. And loading one page can involve loading dozens of scripts, from a handful of sites. If any of them have a problem then you can have basically any kind of browser problem possible. This is possible even with simple pages. Ever since Slashdot went to https, when my internet connection is heavily loaded I cannot use it at all. If you get 99% of an unencrypted webpage, no big deal. If you get 99% of an encrypted webpage, then the browser replaces all the content you are looking at with an error message when it finally fails to download the entire page.

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    6. Re:No by lkcl · · Score: 1

      Well, duh. You shouldn't run VPNs over TCP connections, even on decent networks. You're seeing windowing and retransmission problems caused by TCP. Just use UDP for transport and let the VPN deal with connection control properly.

      UDP was entirely blocked. by "entirely blocked" i mean that the chinese government's "Great Firewall" terminated ALL AND ANY access to ALL ports of the type UDP, to the (fixed) IP address of my server. i had absolutely no choice but to use TCP. 24 hours later the block would be dropped.

      basically what this incredibly rubbish "firewall" does is deep packet inspection, looking for anything that looks like a VPN. but there is so much traffic out there, with *so many* people running VPNs, that they simply can't keep up. so they block only for around 24 hours and then drop the firewall rule.

      by constantly changing from TCP to UDP and constantly changing the port number i was able to avoid this stupid, stupid deep packet inspection.

      a number of people in china run a recompiled version of openvpn, which allows XORing of a fixed pattern at both the client and server end. this also allows avoidance of detection. however i was unable to compile the "hacked-together" version of openvpn so could not use it.

    7. Re:No by lkcl · · Score: 1

      awesome, that's really useful to know, and i've cross-referenced it on the bugreport. thank you.

  18. Re: Nothing "free" about "our" world... by fortfive · · Score: 2

    Still waiting for hitler on ice, too!

  19. You don't want that experience by Balthisar · · Score: 1

    I lived there from 2011 to 2016. You really, really don't want that experience. Even with a VPN it sucked, because half the time the VPN wouldn't work. It's not just that Google is blocked; it's that Google CDN that a lot of sites use is blocked.

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  20. Want Not Try? Here is a Chinese proxy server list by david.cowhig · · Score: 2

    There are list of Chinese proxy servers on line. One is http://cn-proxy.com/ You can get it in English by using Google Translate https://translate.google.com/t...

  21. Firefox won't install the plugin by freeze128 · · Score: 1

    If your current version of firefox won't install the plugin, then install an older version of firefox.

  22. Google and social media by shashindk · · Score: 5, Informative

    Currently living in China as an expat and it's surprisingly easy to live with the level of censorship in place here. As mentioned by another, Google CDN is blocked which makes some sites inaccessible. The only google related service I've found to work here is translate.google.cn. The most annoying is aspect is not being able to search for things via Google, but having to rely on Bing or other accessible search engines. Almost all mainstream western social media are blocked, with the exception of LinkedIn which works without any issues. Non-western sites like vk.com seem to work fine. Most international messaging apps are also blocked in China, which isn't much of an issue since everyone here uses WeChat (or Weixin in Chinese) which serves not just as a messaging app and micro blogging service but also as a mobile payment platform with a plethora of integrated serves such as paying your utility bills, ordering taxis, buying train and flight tickets, booking hotels, etc. once you link a Chinese debit or credit card. It also integrates the option to have membership cards and related benefits linked to your WeChat account. That coupled with Skype for work-related video calls should cover most people's needs when here. Some news media (mainly American ones) such as bloomberg, wall street journal and the economist are blocked, while others like financial times, usa today, the washington post and los angeles times works fine. In the cases where you do run into issues, VPN services like ExpressVPN and Astrill VPN does the trick. Just make sure to get them before entering the country. Alternatively get the ExpressVPN plug-in for Chrome if that can cover your needs.

    1. Re: Google and social media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chinese phone apps just shit all over their international competitors (where those competitors exist where quite often they don't)

    2. Re:Google and social media by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Currently living in China as an expat and it's surprisingly easy to live with the level of censorship in place here......... Almost all mainstream western social media are blocked

      Be honest.....that's actually super annoying.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    3. Re:Google and social media by Dr.Saeuerlich · · Score: 1

      The problem aren't just blocked sites per se, but all the dependencies Western websites have these days. Without a VPN load times are pretty bad (unless you tweak the browser's timeout values), since most websites include "like buttons" from blocked social media sites.
      Additionally, the Chinese regime tampers with the HTTPS protocol and its certificates. HTTPS either fails more often than it should, or your browser will warn you about dubious certificates.
      And sometimes you still have the good old "connection has been reset" errors, as if it were 2008.

      But yes, if you stay within China's walled garden and stick to domestic services, your technical experience is actually good. Content wise it's a different matter. But I guess as long as my wife can watch her Qing Dynasty soaps in 4k all is well...

    4. Re:Google and social media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the problem, then, is the Chinese government and its' walled garden, not all the dependencies Western websites have. In a society with free and open internet, those dependencies do not matter as they are all freely accessible.

      Why not place the blame where it actually belongs, then, instead of being an apologist for censorship?

    5. Re:Google and social media by shashindk · · Score: 1

      Currently living in China as an expat and it's surprisingly easy to live with the level of censorship in place here......... Almost all mainstream western social media are blocked

      Be honest.....that's actually super annoying.

      Actually, its not. Unless you're a Facebook addicted teenager it really isn't a big deal. I can easily kept contact with my family, friends and co-workers outside of China using email, skype, wechat and iMessage (since all company phones are iPhones), which is honestly the most important thing. Cutting back on social media hasn't been a horrible thing either. After having been here for a year now, I've found myself having a lot more time and I don't miss scrolling through the endless feeds of largely unimportant content, in some sense it's actually been liberating to be unable to access FB and youtube. I still have access to wikipedia, reddit, my local newspapers from back home, the internet radio stations I've been listening to for years, etc. All the top movie titles are still released here in China with english audio / chinese subs at about 8$ for an IMAX ticket. Alien: Covenant, Wonder Woman and Guardian of the Galaxy 2 are some of the movies I've gone to watch here in the last few months (release date somewhat the same as in the west), and older movies I can buy at the local market or online for 3-5$ incl. shipping. The few videogames I play have no problems connecting and VoIP applications like Teamspeak and Discord works fine in China. I'd honestly say that the most annoying thing here is that price discrimination really is a thing and that discounts are usually only offered when using the Chinese version of apps on the phone (e.g. about 30% cheaper to buy a bullet train ticket for Tianjin Beijing via the Chinese version of Ctrip app than the English one as the 5$ booking fee is waived).

  23. Yes. there is. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Turn off you monitor. Bam. You are even BETTER off this way.

  24. Howto surf like a Chinaman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Prepare a big bowl of dog soup on your coal-fired stove, and then head on over to alibaba.com

  25. Sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  26. Chinese blame us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I talk Madarin lessons from a chick in Beijing (via italki.com) using skype. The video is always shit. The HILARIOUS part is that this dumb chinc will blame MY CONNECTION as the problem.

    No Rainy, my 60Mbps cable line is running great to the rest of the world. The shit hole you live in is the issue.

    1. Re: Chinese blame us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't be a dumbass. Install wechat and then your video streaming will be fine. Don't bother using Skype in china

    2. Re: Chinese blame us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is your main reason for taking Madarin [sic] lessons so you can insult the Chinese in their own language?

  27. Yes, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Like the normal internet, you can navegate the internet inside china and use google translate to translate the website, i used to enter chinese military and technological websites a lot.

  28. Use FlyVPN by nsxdavid · · Score: 3, Informative

    The FlyVPN service will let you connect to a lot of different servers in China and experience what it's like.

    We use it to test our path out of China for various mobile games as they prepare to launch with our partners in China.

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    David Whatley
  29. Easy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To experience the Chinese Internet from the inside, sign up for CenturyLink DSL Internet access in Yakima, WA.

  30. Re: Just unlucky your router by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just unlucky your router lacks a drop outgoing shit rule.

  31. I have a request by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

    Where do I find a VPN to experience the North Korea intranet?

    1. Re: I have a request by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      0.0.0.0 /dev/null

    2. Re:I have a request by vm146j2 · · Score: 1

      Silly. They find you!

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      "Lost time is not found again."
  32. Try surfing the UK in a year or two... by BeCre8iv · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If the pry-minister gets her way.

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  33. No Great Firewall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From my travels I have experienced there is no uniform Great Firewall og China. Level of access to sites depends on what City or Province you might find yourself in. Also it depends on the Telco. So I doubt you will have much luck trying to 'experience' anything similar from abroad. The level og openness in a particular place also changes from day to day. Have not figured out the deal yet

  34. That's not it. by Ihlosi · · Score: 1
    > 0.0.0.0 /dev/null

    There are no praises to the Dearest Leader to be found there.

  35. Sure by aglider · · Score: 1

    Start learning Chinese, first.
    99.999% of Chinese sites are in some Chinese language.
    Then move to China.
    Or ask a Chinese friend to install something like TeamViewer.

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  36. Re:Just unlucky your router by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

    There are plenty of Proxy Servers behind the Great Fire Wall find one

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    Build a Man a Fire, and He'll Be Warm for a Day. Set a Man on Fire, and He'll Be Warm for the Rest of His Life.

  37. Re:Nothing "free" about "our" world... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only thing that makes me angry about jews is circumcised cocks are gross.

  38. Re:Projecting your "modus operandi"? Yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't want to download the engine, just give me the link for the China Great Firewall HOSTS file. I would download it even if it's around 3TB in size. Just want to feel the Great Firewall.

  39. The great firewall by bool2 · · Score: 1

    #!/bin/sh
    # Chinese Internet Enabler
    sudo iptables -F
    sudo iptables -P OUTPUT -j REJECT

  40. Run a VPN from inside of China by misosoup7 · · Score: 1

    Spin up a VPN server from inside of China. There are plenty of those services and you'll be able to browse as if you are in China.

  41. Projecting your "modus operandi"? Yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm going to continue using the Host File Engine. Your software is well written, functional. The Host File Engine performs exactly as promised by mmell

    his hosts program is actually pretty good by xenotransplant

    his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources by alexgieg

    I've never tried to belittle (APK's) work, I've flat out said it's good by BronsCon

    I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works by bmo

    APK your posts on this and the hosts file posts, and more, have never been in error and/or bad advice by BlueStrat

    * My code's recommended & hosted by Malwarebytes' hpHosts!

    APK

    P.S.=> See subject & Mr. Steven Burn of malwarebytes VERIFIED my code (mine/original) & when you get our /. peers to say THAT about YOUR non-existent work? It'll never happen from a "ne'er-do-well" UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous JEALOUS lying KNOB like you... apk

  42. Not much fun if you don't know Chinese by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Intranet China is ok fast (100Mbps) and relatively cheap (~US$30/month). Just don't try to compare it with S. Korea, Hong Kong or Singapore where their Internet is lighting speed (1Gbps) and cheap (US$30/month, Hong Kong).

    The biggest problem in China is that there is not much non-Chinese content within and if you perform a search using Yahoo or Bing, many of the web sites returned are not as helpful as those searches performed on Google, and there is a high chance that some of the results returned are blocked or affected by the GFW. Affected I mean with those relying on Google Analytics, they will either not load at all, or take ages to load. So, VPN is your pal.

    If you know Chinese, there are much more fun playing inside the GFW. Many apps and web sites provide wonderful services for content sharing, micro-blogging, micro-payment and video chats. I could imaging the day when I leave China, I'd definitely want a VPN back!

    Having said that, Search is a totally unique experience. Whatever you search in Chinese using the Chinese search engines like Baidu.com, it almost always ended up with 10,000+ search results with exactly the same content but different layout. Try to perform a search on brewing Chinese tea, for example, all the links returned from the search engine would bring you to to different web sites telling you exactly the same thing with exactly the same wordings, even with the same errors (if there are). Simply amazing!