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Trump Proposes Joint 'Cyber Security Unit' With Russia, Then Quickly Backs Away From It (arstechnica.com)
In a series of tweets yesterday, President Trump proposed "an impenetrable Cyber Security unit" with Putin "so that election hacking, & many other negative things, will be guarded and safe." The news came as a shock to just about everyone who got word of it, including congressional members of his own GOP party. Less than 24 hours later, Trump decided against it, tweeting: "The fact that President Putin and I discussed a Cyber Security unit doesn't mean I think it can happen. It can't-but a ceasefire can,& did!" Ars Technica reports: "It's not the dumbest idea I have ever heard, but it's pretty close," Senator Lindsey Graham, a Republican of South Carolina, said of the plan. Senate Republican Marco Rubio of Florida tweeted that "partnering with Putin on a 'Cyber Security Unit' is akin to partnering with [Syrian President Bashar] Assad on a 'Chemical Weapons Unit."' Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said that Trump and the Russian president decided at a meeting during a Group of 20 nations summit in Hamburg, Germany, to embark on a joint "cyber unit to make sure that there was absolutely no interference whatsoever, that they would work on cyber security together." But on Sunday, after it was clear that the plan was going nowhere, Trump took to Twitter and said no deal. That didn't stop Rep. Don Beyer, a Democrat from Virginia, from introducing on Monday an amendment to the 2017 National Defense Authorization Act that would bar a US-Russian cyber accord. He said: "Donald Trump's proposal to form a 'cyber security unit' with Putin is a terrible idea that would immediately jeopardize American cybersecurity... Trump must acknowledge that Russia interfered in the 2016 election and take strong, meaningful action to prevent it from happening again in future elections."
That was an even bigger flip flop than when went from, "There was no collusion" to " Collusion isn't even illegal anyway, what me worry".
Our president tweets every half baked idea he has and then the rest of the government has to scramble to make sense of or defuse the tweet. It's all fuckin funny
But why is this a bad idea?
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Would you form a joint intelligence sharing with them? Because this is sort of like forming a joint intelligence unit. If you've every dealt with operational security, you'd know why this isn't likely to work well. At best, it's reaching your unprotected arm into a snake pit every 15 minutes to count the snakes. While we may be able to get some small benefit, it would come at too high a cost in intelligence assets. For one thing, it would let them know how we conduct security, for a second, who is involved. And in intelligence, half or more of the battle is knowing who and how.
And I'll simply point out who leaked emails when, and where, as to the pure intentions of the Russian government.
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
This is like inviting Jeffrey Dahmer to join your neighborhood watch after he kills your neighbors.
I know that the right wing has bought into Trump's treasonous collusion with Russia, but this is ridiculous.
This is a tech website. Do you actually mean to tell me you would willingly put a hacker that maliciously attacked your country on our cyber security team?
And thus the "right" shows that King comes before country and George Washington can go fuck himself in their eyes.
You know why it's a bad idea, you are just pretending that it isn't because you want to continue to follow Dear Leader.
Man, you don't know shit. You claim to have large org infosec background, but nothing you post indicates that
There is a picture of Donald Trump in the dictionary, right next to the word "Treason"
Donald Trump and many members of his administration and campaign are known traitors. They colluded with Russia's attack on our country.
You keep tip-toeing around the definition of treason while not actually providing it. This is because you know you are supporting a treasonous Russian puppet.
You support known traitors like Donald Trump and his crime family, because you are a traitor yourself.
The US and the Soviet Union and now Russia have worked together on a few things.
Moscow–Washington hotline https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...–Washington_hotline
Environmental Modification Convention https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Apollo–Soyuz Test Project https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...–Soyuz_Test_Project
Treaty on Open Skies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Chemical Weapons Convention https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
The Kennedy-Khruschev Exchanges http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20t...
RD-180 engine imports https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
As for cyber security? Why not? Might stop some spam and other evil-doers.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Yes, please Mr. Putin. The CIA, the FBI, and the NSA collectively can't seem to muster the resources to secure a copy of Windows. Can you please send us some ex-KGB experts to help with the leaks?
I get $2800/month, plus expenses, health care (includes vision and dental) and two weeks paid vacation. Sometimes, Mr Soros will put a little something extra in my pay envelope when I really make the AC trolls on Slashdot go wild and piss themselves in impotent fury and post in caps.
But I've got to tell you, they refuse to match my 401k contributions. Soros can be very stingy, but you know how those people are. And you ACs know exactly who I mean, amirite?
You are welcome on my lawn.
And we would let them know any of that why and how again??? Come on, think it through. You don't need to let on to any of that to gain some benefit from both sides.
So, if you're not sharing any information about cyber attacks, then what actual benefit is there for the other side? What would the point be of having a joint cyber security unit if there's no "joint" about it?
Considering Trump Jr. has admitted he met with a Russian lawyer (along with Kushner) during the campaign to get dirt on Hillary in combination with the revelation in today's NYT about an email Trump Jr. received specifically saying the information he was about to be provided by the lawyer came from the Russian government, this administration should now be considered captured by a foreign hostile government and thus enjoined from any contact or decision making related to that government until Robert Mueller's investigation has been completed.
it's a word for economic right wingers who are left wing on social issues. They're trying to figure out a path to victory that doesn't involve things like single payer healthcare, college for everyone and proper, continuous job training. The left calls them "Corporate Democrats". Lately we've been calling ourselves either Bernie Dems or Justice Democrats.
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...this so-called president is an idiot who is in waaaaaaaaaaaay over his head.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
Considering Trump Jr. has admitted he met with a Russian lawyer (along with Kushner) during the campaign to get dirt on Hillary ...
More importantly, that particular news was "leaked" by three White House staffers at pretty much the same time, all of whom stated (unusually, for this administration) they could be attributed as White House staffers... meaning it was an intentional leak, and was likely an attempt to get ahead of something even more damaging that may be coming out soon.
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The Russian government is not some guy that can be appealed to with leniency in criminal cases.
Russia is a hostile foreign adversary who has attacked us and has an ongoing cyberwarfare campaign against the United States.
It is idiotic to partner cyber-warfare defense with the very entity which is currently attacking you. We have allies like Israel and Germany. Why would we partner with our adversaries who are currently attacking us?
Trump's treasonous crime spree has gone on long enough. The Russian government is not your friend, even if it is as bigoted and anti-American as you are!
In certain respects the interests of Russia and the U.S. as world super-powers are aligned, and cyber-security is one of those areas.
Um, no it isn't.
Or we could just get rid of medical insurance and pay the doctors, nurses, and hospitals directly via the government... but like whatever, helping people is fucked and I don't need anything from society. I made the device I'm typing this with metal I mined, refined, followed by teaching myself with no books or teachers how to transform and program to connect to slashdot... let alone the lack of help I got getting myself outta that fucking womb and then walked out of the hospital got a job and earned the tools to start this process.
You stupid fucking twat.
I'd be more concerned that there WAS dirt to get on Hillary than who it came from.
In this case, according to Trump Jr. at least, there was no dirt, it was a dead end.
Who cares who gave it to them?
The FBI, seeking material assistance from a foreign government for a political campaign is illegal. If Trump Jr. is telling the truth then he broke the law.
The whole "Russia" thing continues to be a giant nothingburger than the left won't stop trying to push. No one cares.
The whole "Russia" thing is steadily getting worse. Though in one sense this news is slightly good news for Trump. The fact they sought out this lawyer in an effect to conspire with the Russian government suggests that at that time there were not (yet?) conspiring with the Russian government (otherwise why not ask their FSB contact directly?).
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Those were done AFTER they switched sides.
A company who uses a reformed black-hat hacker to penetration test their network is daring and innovative.
A company who uses an active black-hat hacker to penetration test their network is bloody moronic.
I stole this Sig
Yes, the rest of the world is watching as well. In horrified amusement: http://www.volkskrant.nl/foto/...
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/0...
But, his emails!
A corporate security team won't send assassins to inject your most valuable people with ricin pellets. Or strew Strontium 147 around their house. Or seduce their daughter. Or rape/sodomize your son. The Russians have. The Soviets, back in the day, simply preferred to kill them. So, in a measure, that's an advancement of sorts.
But sure, lets blame Russia for Hillary / the DNC being so contemptibly corrupt that leaking emails from them sank a presidential canaanite against a guy as easily beaten as Trump.
You seem to think I thought HRC was a good choice. I do and did not. Simply a better choice than President Trump. And I reviewed the postfix configuration posted to reddit thought to be HRC's server. It wasn't perfect, but I didn't see any glaring errors either. Did you review it? Do you even know postfix?
You are just another tool who has lost his functioning analytical mind to sheer raw hatred of Trump
I will admit that he is not as bad as I thought he could be. Which is not to say in any way I think President Trump is good. Simply that we have as yet had the NKPR lob a nuke on any major city. But I will remind you that one need not use a ICBM to deliver a warhead. UPS will do. Or folks with impeccably forged documents. I will remind you that the $50 and $100 dollar bill are the most difficult to forge documents, yet the NKPR forges them to the point the the Treasury Department and the Secret Service tag them as "Super Forgeries" and millions of them pass every day. Yet most of President Trump's supporters are focused on those with brown skin as a serious threat.
Fear and xenophobia are the stock and trade of the Republican party. Also, it would seem, extreme stupidity though I prefer to think of it as focused on issue I am not concerned about. If I absolutely loathed a policy like Obama Care for the past seven and a half years, I surely would have another to replace it once my party had secured the majority in the House and Senate. Yet, 150+ days into a majority house, senate, and white house, and soon Supreme court, I don't see anything at all being done.
I understand that you dislike the policy. I get that. I am, very unfortunately headed down hill from personal medical issues. I don't expect to be here next year. Such is the luck of life. I cannot get SSI Disability by law because I did not pay into SSI for over a decade. And because I left the job with a private policy before the 30 years it takes to "vest", I can't draw from it either. So my choice is to die at my desk, or starve. Largely because of public service.
So be it.
I did my damn level best for you, and your children. What I got was spit on, called a pig in the trough, and had my car and home vandalized and death threats and now I face declining heath because to give me anything is "feeding the pigs at the trough."
I get that. It's not how I treat people, but standards differ.
Yet you call me names when I did no such to you, and still do not. I understand you are unhappy with the status quo. I am too. But I don't let that keep me from trying to be kind. We are not enemies. We have a difference of opinion, a difference of standards. Let me tell you how I try to live. Look up my post on "Let's change the name", and try to apply it to your own stance.
Let me leave you with this thought: Be happy. Find something in your life that gives you joy, and share it with others. Anger is simply fear turned outward. A brave man may have many fears, but that does not keep him from doing the thing that is hard; the thing he most fears. Because a brave man dies only once, but a coward dies a thousand times.
You are not a coward.
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
Wow. I am going to assume that you are unaware that any thread I post to, I am not going to be allowed to moderate.
And no, I don't have another account I use on Slashdot. They are pretty good about spotting those. I know, because I have the code, and it's there to check for it.
But I'm sure you'll think otherwise. OK. Believe what you will.
Just look at my posting history, and see if that fits with what you believe. Reputation is what others think of you, but honor is what you know about yourself. I know what I know about myself - my honor is safe from you, and I really don't much care what you think of my reputation. Simply because I don't care.
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
As per the HHGTTG, he is fulfilling the role of the Galactic President admirably. People can't stop watching him, or talking about him, and in doing so, he is providing the very useful service of drawing attention away from those with real power. Remember, the role of the Galactic President is always filled by the most controversial candidate, the one who brings about finely tuned outrage.
Yeah well, he got everybody to forget about Bush... And remember when Nixon was the bottom of the barrel? I guess records are meant to be broken.
Soooooooo.... you guys miss me yet?
-- George W. Bush
Can we end the experiment with a mentally unstable egomaniac as President? The project failed and running it any longer will only have long-lasting negative effects. Nobody can take anything that Trump does or says seriously. We run out of superlatives to describe his stupidity and ineptitude.
You may want to read deeper into the biography of Putin. After that you should know that you can't even trust him to hold your bag of trash. Do you seriously think it is a good idea to cooperate with an entity that actively disturbs elections in other countries, supports mass murderers like Assad, jails all its opposition, and invades neighboring countries after killing their top political candidates failed?
I would not look surprised if those leaks came from Russia as well. First they help him to power (by getting people not to vote for Clinton) then they undermine his power by giving away this kind of information.
If the same thing would happen in Russia, two things could happen (one not excluding the other)
1) The person mentioning it will get made dead
2) Putin will say "So fucking what? I also use my own email server. " and go on.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
Another brainfart from the great orange leader. Next he is going to tell us that he wants to colaborate with Kim Jong-un to furthe nuclear disarmamanet. There will be so much winning.
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I believe there are two reasons for this idea of "no evidence" or "giant nothingburger":
1. This is the narrative that the Trump administration has been repeating constantly and daily
2. Much of the evidence is highly classified. It can't be made public because it would most likely reveal how we collected the info, burn overseas agents, and do all sorts of real harm to the US's intelligence gathering capabilities. Publishing the "proof" would be giving all foreign intelligence agencies the exact blueprint of how to not get discovered.
Recently, I've been telling anyone saying "no proof!" that "There is proof, it's just above your security clearance".
I don't think Putin was trying to get Trump into office. I think his actual goal is destabilizing the underlying ideals of the US's democratic system itself. Trump is a symptom, not the disease itself. And it's not just the US that he is targeting, France was also a target during their most recent elections. I wouldn't be surprised if Russia's "electronic disinformation division" had a hand in the UK's Brexit campaign too.
Democrats aren't in control of any of the three branches of government. A core of republican voters simply want the GOP to shoot down anything the center and left wants to do. On health care, the GOP was refusing to even make eye contact with democrats. It's like you're accusing a murder victim of being lazy for laying down and not moving.
During the Obama administration, it was the republicans who weren't coming up with any real noteworthy ideas beyond "NONONONO" and "Lets try reaganomics for a third time!"
That's what happens when you have a two party system and the far right hyper polarizes things because they're upset that a black man managed to get to be president. You get a one party system basically.
Don't worry. If free elections in this country are ever held again and Democrats get power, they might be the only ones coming up with "ideas" and it will be the republicans who do nothing besides whine they're not being given a seat at the table. Except probably not, democrats have so far been too spineless to actually do turnabout. I mean, when Obamacare was being formulated, they spent almost a year negotiating with Republicans, taking hundreds of amendments. Exactly one GOP congressperson voted for it despite it being a plan initially proposed by Newt Gingrich and implemented by Mitt Romney. And they labeled it as evil socialism. Who the fuck were they kidding? If democrats ever get in power again, they'll try a similar "be nice to the irrational bully" approach, and the GOP voters will still accuse the democrats of being dictators.
No. But if you believe that's all that happened, perhaps you'd be interested in buying this bridge I have.
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.
Since the US has active trade and diplomatic relations with Russia, it is extremely hard to call interacting with them treason. More generally, it is a bad idea to label people are "traitors" because they disagree with you on who a traitor is. The recursion here gets very bad very fast.
You clearly misunderstand what Obama did. He pushed a snowball down a mountain. By making the dismantling of Obamacare political suicide, he's made a single-payer system an inevitability. He didn't view the ACA as a perminant solution and neither did any of them Democrats who pushed it through congress. The fact remains that it's better than what previously existed and a step toward the only morally acceptable form of healthcare in a first world country, which is single-payer.
"From the depths of my skeptical and rationalist soul, I ask the Lord to protect me from California touchie-feeliedom."
> Recently, I've been telling anyone saying "no proof!" that "There is proof, it's just above your security clearance".
Which is the same reason they still won't show us the aliens they captured in Area 51.
Just because it happens so egregiously in Slovakia is not a firm argument for why it should be acceptable elsewhere. If anything you're making a strong case for serious reform efforts in your own country.
The scary thing is that, at the time of this writing, DivineKnight's post was moderated "Insightful" and not "Funny".
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