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Trump Proposes Joint 'Cyber Security Unit' With Russia, Then Quickly Backs Away From It (arstechnica.com)
In a series of tweets yesterday, President Trump proposed "an impenetrable Cyber Security unit" with Putin "so that election hacking, & many other negative things, will be guarded and safe." The news came as a shock to just about everyone who got word of it, including congressional members of his own GOP party. Less than 24 hours later, Trump decided against it, tweeting: "The fact that President Putin and I discussed a Cyber Security unit doesn't mean I think it can happen. It can't-but a ceasefire can,& did!" Ars Technica reports: "It's not the dumbest idea I have ever heard, but it's pretty close," Senator Lindsey Graham, a Republican of South Carolina, said of the plan. Senate Republican Marco Rubio of Florida tweeted that "partnering with Putin on a 'Cyber Security Unit' is akin to partnering with [Syrian President Bashar] Assad on a 'Chemical Weapons Unit."' Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said that Trump and the Russian president decided at a meeting during a Group of 20 nations summit in Hamburg, Germany, to embark on a joint "cyber unit to make sure that there was absolutely no interference whatsoever, that they would work on cyber security together." But on Sunday, after it was clear that the plan was going nowhere, Trump took to Twitter and said no deal. That didn't stop Rep. Don Beyer, a Democrat from Virginia, from introducing on Monday an amendment to the 2017 National Defense Authorization Act that would bar a US-Russian cyber accord. He said: "Donald Trump's proposal to form a 'cyber security unit' with Putin is a terrible idea that would immediately jeopardize American cybersecurity... Trump must acknowledge that Russia interfered in the 2016 election and take strong, meaningful action to prevent it from happening again in future elections."
That was an even bigger flip flop than when went from, "There was no collusion" to " Collusion isn't even illegal anyway, what me worry".
Our president tweets every half baked idea he has and then the rest of the government has to scramble to make sense of or defuse the tweet. It's all fuckin funny
Even if they're stupid, at least he's coming up with some ideas ...
Now that's putting a positive spin on things.
You dumbass
it's because of the same reasons an agreement with china to stop industrial espionage would be useless or the same reason an agreement with dubai to stop exploitation of Indians would be useless or the same reason an agreement with you to stop posting ignorant shit would be useless... ... both sides have to comply
But why is this a bad idea?
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Would you form a joint intelligence sharing with them? Because this is sort of like forming a joint intelligence unit. If you've every dealt with operational security, you'd know why this isn't likely to work well. At best, it's reaching your unprotected arm into a snake pit every 15 minutes to count the snakes. While we may be able to get some small benefit, it would come at too high a cost in intelligence assets. For one thing, it would let them know how we conduct security, for a second, who is involved. And in intelligence, half or more of the battle is knowing who and how.
And I'll simply point out who leaked emails when, and where, as to the pure intentions of the Russian government.
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
This is like inviting Jeffrey Dahmer to join your neighborhood watch after he kills your neighbors.
I know that the right wing has bought into Trump's treasonous collusion with Russia, but this is ridiculous.
This is a tech website. Do you actually mean to tell me you would willingly put a hacker that maliciously attacked your country on our cyber security team?
Under a competent administration, it likely would not be a terrible idea. Under this administration, and under these circumstances, however, it's nothing more than a distraction.
And thus the "right" shows that King comes before country and George Washington can go fuck himself in their eyes.
You know why it's a bad idea, you are just pretending that it isn't because you want to continue to follow Dear Leader.
Were they ever more than merely "useful idiots"?
Who's the useful idiot now?
His own son is a traitor DIRECTLY and he's pretending it never happened lol. What a fucking MORON. Impeach, firing squad, and move on.
Man, you don't know shit. You claim to have large org infosec background, but nothing you post indicates that
There is a picture of Donald Trump in the dictionary, right next to the word "Treason"
Donald Trump and many members of his administration and campaign are known traitors. They colluded with Russia's attack on our country.
You keep tip-toeing around the definition of treason while not actually providing it. This is because you know you are supporting a treasonous Russian puppet.
You support known traitors like Donald Trump and his crime family, because you are a traitor yourself.
The US and the Soviet Union and now Russia have worked together on a few things.
Moscow–Washington hotline https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...–Washington_hotline
Environmental Modification Convention https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Apollo–Soyuz Test Project https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...–Soyuz_Test_Project
Treaty on Open Skies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Chemical Weapons Convention https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
The Kennedy-Khruschev Exchanges http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20t...
RD-180 engine imports https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
As for cyber security? Why not? Might stop some spam and other evil-doers.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Yes, please Mr. Putin. The CIA, the FBI, and the NSA collectively can't seem to muster the resources to secure a copy of Windows. Can you please send us some ex-KGB experts to help with the leaks?
I get $2800/month, plus expenses, health care (includes vision and dental) and two weeks paid vacation. Sometimes, Mr Soros will put a little something extra in my pay envelope when I really make the AC trolls on Slashdot go wild and piss themselves in impotent fury and post in caps.
But I've got to tell you, they refuse to match my 401k contributions. Soros can be very stingy, but you know how those people are. And you ACs know exactly who I mean, amirite?
You are welcome on my lawn.
And we would let them know any of that why and how again??? Come on, think it through. You don't need to let on to any of that to gain some benefit from both sides.
So, if you're not sharing any information about cyber attacks, then what actual benefit is there for the other side? What would the point be of having a joint cyber security unit if there's no "joint" about it?
Considering Trump Jr. has admitted he met with a Russian lawyer (along with Kushner) during the campaign to get dirt on Hillary in combination with the revelation in today's NYT about an email Trump Jr. received specifically saying the information he was about to be provided by the lawyer came from the Russian government, this administration should now be considered captured by a foreign hostile government and thus enjoined from any contact or decision making related to that government until Robert Mueller's investigation has been completed.
AC re "no political experience"
AC the same reason a person who once was a Senator has to consider the politics of a person who once was metal worker.
Or a peanut farmer or a naval aviator or Director of Central Intelligence.
Leaders with very different pasts meet, talk and nations work together on common issues.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
it's a word for economic right wingers who are left wing on social issues. They're trying to figure out a path to victory that doesn't involve things like single payer healthcare, college for everyone and proper, continuous job training. The left calls them "Corporate Democrats". Lately we've been calling ourselves either Bernie Dems or Justice Democrats.
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...this so-called president is an idiot who is in waaaaaaaaaaaay over his head.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
Considering Trump Jr. has admitted he met with a Russian lawyer (along with Kushner) during the campaign to get dirt on Hillary ...
More importantly, that particular news was "leaked" by three White House staffers at pretty much the same time, all of whom stated (unusually, for this administration) they could be attributed as White House staffers... meaning it was an intentional leak, and was likely an attempt to get ahead of something even more damaging that may be coming out soon.
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The Russian government is not some guy that can be appealed to with leniency in criminal cases.
Russia is a hostile foreign adversary who has attacked us and has an ongoing cyberwarfare campaign against the United States.
It is idiotic to partner cyber-warfare defense with the very entity which is currently attacking you. We have allies like Israel and Germany. Why would we partner with our adversaries who are currently attacking us?
Trump's treasonous crime spree has gone on long enough. The Russian government is not your friend, even if it is as bigoted and anti-American as you are!
In certain respects the interests of Russia and the U.S. as world super-powers are aligned, and cyber-security is one of those areas.
Um, no it isn't.
Seriously?
You think intelligence work is like that?
The lowest, newest grunt in the military has more background on the topic than an office worker.
first intelligent post I've come across so far
Can't tell if stupid or Trump supporter.
Or we could just get rid of medical insurance and pay the doctors, nurses, and hospitals directly via the government... but like whatever, helping people is fucked and I don't need anything from society. I made the device I'm typing this with metal I mined, refined, followed by teaching myself with no books or teachers how to transform and program to connect to slashdot... let alone the lack of help I got getting myself outta that fucking womb and then walked out of the hospital got a job and earned the tools to start this process.
You stupid fucking twat.
HEY! Antifa people do things. like complain, and protest.. pretty much any excuse to not work..
I'd be more concerned that there WAS dirt to get on Hillary than who it came from.
In this case, according to Trump Jr. at least, there was no dirt, it was a dead end.
Who cares who gave it to them?
The FBI, seeking material assistance from a foreign government for a political campaign is illegal. If Trump Jr. is telling the truth then he broke the law.
The whole "Russia" thing continues to be a giant nothingburger than the left won't stop trying to push. No one cares.
The whole "Russia" thing is steadily getting worse. Though in one sense this news is slightly good news for Trump. The fact they sought out this lawyer in an effect to conspire with the Russian government suggests that at that time there were not (yet?) conspiring with the Russian government (otherwise why not ask their FSB contact directly?).
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Those were done AFTER they switched sides.
A company who uses a reformed black-hat hacker to penetration test their network is daring and innovative.
A company who uses an active black-hat hacker to penetration test their network is bloody moronic.
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I've often seen people give the "the US influences elections, too" reasoning, and I don't get it. The countries that the US meddles in are presumably not happy about it. And this comes up in (my in-person) discussions of the history of US foreign policy a lot and I've never encountered anyone who didn't denounce it as a bad idea. None of the US citizens I've talked to are in favor of the US meddling in other countries elections. The "we do it, too" excuse falls flat because the same people worried about Russia influencing the US's elections are also mad about the US influencing other countries' elections.
He's just showing initiative on getting re-elected. Might as well get the assisting apparatus in place now so it has plenty of time to dig dirt on his political enemies. Vlad can't quite understand why he doesn't just kill all the hostile reporters like he did.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
If that's the sum of the law, Trump is not guilty of treason. He and his minions are guilty of seeking and using dirt on Mrs Clinton's campaign, not caring whether the source was a foreign power whose aim was to influence the US election. Any qualms which reached Trump's consciousness would have been swamped by the overwhelming desire of his immense, fragile ego to win. Even now he can't admit that Putin had any influence as that would diminish his huge victory. Such negligence may not amount to a crime but it's pretty sad and for Trump's maladministration, the new normal.
Yes, the rest of the world is watching as well. In horrified amusement: http://www.volkskrant.nl/foto/...
There's NK and China, which are a lot more focused on this area and do a lot more damage.
Well, it'd kind of trump everything NK & China have allegedly done (lots of secret stealing on China's part, and, um, leaking of the Seth Rogan vehicle The Interview by NK) if Russia contributed to altering a US presidential election don'cha think?
Or wait, did it turn out NK did the Playstation Network hacks too? I kind of stopped following those.
A 6-digit UID user keeping a 4-digit UID sock puppet account. Now that's some dedicated trolling! lol
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But, his emails!
A corporate security team won't send assassins to inject your most valuable people with ricin pellets. Or strew Strontium 147 around their house. Or seduce their daughter. Or rape/sodomize your son. The Russians have. The Soviets, back in the day, simply preferred to kill them. So, in a measure, that's an advancement of sorts.
But sure, lets blame Russia for Hillary / the DNC being so contemptibly corrupt that leaking emails from them sank a presidential canaanite against a guy as easily beaten as Trump.
You seem to think I thought HRC was a good choice. I do and did not. Simply a better choice than President Trump. And I reviewed the postfix configuration posted to reddit thought to be HRC's server. It wasn't perfect, but I didn't see any glaring errors either. Did you review it? Do you even know postfix?
You are just another tool who has lost his functioning analytical mind to sheer raw hatred of Trump
I will admit that he is not as bad as I thought he could be. Which is not to say in any way I think President Trump is good. Simply that we have as yet had the NKPR lob a nuke on any major city. But I will remind you that one need not use a ICBM to deliver a warhead. UPS will do. Or folks with impeccably forged documents. I will remind you that the $50 and $100 dollar bill are the most difficult to forge documents, yet the NKPR forges them to the point the the Treasury Department and the Secret Service tag them as "Super Forgeries" and millions of them pass every day. Yet most of President Trump's supporters are focused on those with brown skin as a serious threat.
Fear and xenophobia are the stock and trade of the Republican party. Also, it would seem, extreme stupidity though I prefer to think of it as focused on issue I am not concerned about. If I absolutely loathed a policy like Obama Care for the past seven and a half years, I surely would have another to replace it once my party had secured the majority in the House and Senate. Yet, 150+ days into a majority house, senate, and white house, and soon Supreme court, I don't see anything at all being done.
I understand that you dislike the policy. I get that. I am, very unfortunately headed down hill from personal medical issues. I don't expect to be here next year. Such is the luck of life. I cannot get SSI Disability by law because I did not pay into SSI for over a decade. And because I left the job with a private policy before the 30 years it takes to "vest", I can't draw from it either. So my choice is to die at my desk, or starve. Largely because of public service.
So be it.
I did my damn level best for you, and your children. What I got was spit on, called a pig in the trough, and had my car and home vandalized and death threats and now I face declining heath because to give me anything is "feeding the pigs at the trough."
I get that. It's not how I treat people, but standards differ.
Yet you call me names when I did no such to you, and still do not. I understand you are unhappy with the status quo. I am too. But I don't let that keep me from trying to be kind. We are not enemies. We have a difference of opinion, a difference of standards. Let me tell you how I try to live. Look up my post on "Let's change the name", and try to apply it to your own stance.
Let me leave you with this thought: Be happy. Find something in your life that gives you joy, and share it with others. Anger is simply fear turned outward. A brave man may have many fears, but that does not keep him from doing the thing that is hard; the thing he most fears. Because a brave man dies only once, but a coward dies a thousand times.
You are not a coward.
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
Wow. I am going to assume that you are unaware that any thread I post to, I am not going to be allowed to moderate.
And no, I don't have another account I use on Slashdot. They are pretty good about spotting those. I know, because I have the code, and it's there to check for it.
But I'm sure you'll think otherwise. OK. Believe what you will.
Just look at my posting history, and see if that fits with what you believe. Reputation is what others think of you, but honor is what you know about yourself. I know what I know about myself - my honor is safe from you, and I really don't much care what you think of my reputation. Simply because I don't care.
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
As per the HHGTTG, he is fulfilling the role of the Galactic President admirably. People can't stop watching him, or talking about him, and in doing so, he is providing the very useful service of drawing attention away from those with real power. Remember, the role of the Galactic President is always filled by the most controversial candidate, the one who brings about finely tuned outrage.
Seriously? You are arguing on a tech website why having a joint operation with a country proven to have interfered on your own is not a terrible idea?
I know "Russia" is now a trigger word for the left (despite the long Russian support of the American left, what ungrateful curs!).
Eh, there is no "American left". USA had a right-wing party, the Democrats and a center-left party, the Republicans. But as the Democrats were no longer as racist bigots as some people in the South would like them to be, Nixon et al. followed what is called the "Southern Strategy" and move the Republican party to the far-right to appeal to those voters. So there is now a right-wing party and a more-right-wing party in the US. Whoever thinks the Democrats are left-wing/commie bastards etc has no idea about politics or history.
Yeah well, he got everybody to forget about Bush... And remember when Nixon was the bottom of the barrel? I guess records are meant to be broken.
Soooooooo.... you guys miss me yet?
-- George W. Bush
Can we end the experiment with a mentally unstable egomaniac as President? The project failed and running it any longer will only have long-lasting negative effects. Nobody can take anything that Trump does or says seriously. We run out of superlatives to describe his stupidity and ineptitude.
You may want to read deeper into the biography of Putin. After that you should know that you can't even trust him to hold your bag of trash. Do you seriously think it is a good idea to cooperate with an entity that actively disturbs elections in other countries, supports mass murderers like Assad, jails all its opposition, and invades neighboring countries after killing their top political candidates failed?
"It's not the dumbest idea I have ever heard, but it's pretty close," Senator Lindsey Graham, a Republican of South Carolina, said of the plan
Of course not! Graham has heard other Trump ideas.
Jeffrey Dahmer is already in charge of overhauling Michelle Obama's school lunch program.
If that was purely the case he wouldn't have back tracked on it in less than a day. What other issue has he flip flopped on so quickly just because he was criticised by Democrats and the #FAKENEWS media? There was more than his normal opposition standing opposed to this idea. Otherwise he would have held onto it and used it to distract and make his opposition gnash their teeth.
I would not look surprised if those leaks came from Russia as well. First they help him to power (by getting people not to vote for Clinton) then they undermine his power by giving away this kind of information.
If the same thing would happen in Russia, two things could happen (one not excluding the other)
1) The person mentioning it will get made dead
2) Putin will say "So fucking what? I also use my own email server. " and go on.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
So adhering to their Enemies but receiving Aid and Comfort from them isn't treason you say? ;)
So we're using "briefly occupying the same room as someone who knows someone who knows someone who knows someone who...who knows someone in the Russian government" as the legal definition of "adhering to the enemy" or "collusion" or whatever else? Good luck with that Mr. Internet Lawyer. Also, Russia isn't an "enemy" anymore, as Obama famously pointed out to Romney. And as we saw the last few days this is even more true under Trump. Being a personal enemy of Hillary Clinton is not equivalent to being an enemy of the United States.
(Hey, maybe in a few months they'll get desperate enough to try that angle: "Trump is an enemy of America therefore Trump is guilty of treason for giving aid and comfort to himself." They've hit "Let's impeach him for tweeting!" faster than I thought they would, and presumably there'll be a few more stops after that on the crazy train before they're left with nothing but openly trying to provoke an assassination or foreign invasion.)
I heard one Trump apologist explaining his divorces are good, because they show you can get divorced and not screw up the kids. Do you agree? Trump says he could shoot someone and not lose voters. I'm starting to wonder...
Another brainfart from the great orange leader. Next he is going to tell us that he wants to colaborate with Kim Jong-un to furthe nuclear disarmamanet. There will be so much winning.
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I'm not saying it's OK since the U.S. does it too - as a matter of fact, most of my post is about how I find it not OK to do something like that. It's an affront to any fan of democracy, no matter who does it. But why such hypocrisy? I don't remember half a year of whining in the MSM about the U.S. meddling abroad. If this is about the defense of democracy, then it should be defended every time. If it's about the U.S. being an exception to the rule, a country which can meddle abroad but is off-limits itself, then the U.S. need to wake up. There are no nuclear cyber weapons and nobody is off-limits.
Except 4 communism like how Carl Marx originally intended it to be. Problem with communism is it always ended up getting "perverted" by tyrants. One of my profs had a good idea of 1 year term limits to keep these type of people under control. Putin would be instantly kicked out and not allowed to go back into office and probably have to go back into the KGB.
But what is to stop ex-leaders from influencing current leaders? Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
It is harder to metal in American Elections when u are not the President of Russia.
I agree, metal is hard. Though I think the word you're looking for is 'meddle'.
I believe there are two reasons for this idea of "no evidence" or "giant nothingburger":
1. This is the narrative that the Trump administration has been repeating constantly and daily
2. Much of the evidence is highly classified. It can't be made public because it would most likely reveal how we collected the info, burn overseas agents, and do all sorts of real harm to the US's intelligence gathering capabilities. Publishing the "proof" would be giving all foreign intelligence agencies the exact blueprint of how to not get discovered.
Recently, I've been telling anyone saying "no proof!" that "There is proof, it's just above your security clearance".
I don't think Putin was trying to get Trump into office. I think his actual goal is destabilizing the underlying ideals of the US's democratic system itself. Trump is a symptom, not the disease itself. And it's not just the US that he is targeting, France was also a target during their most recent elections. I wouldn't be surprised if Russia's "electronic disinformation division" had a hand in the UK's Brexit campaign too.
Democrats aren't in control of any of the three branches of government. A core of republican voters simply want the GOP to shoot down anything the center and left wants to do. On health care, the GOP was refusing to even make eye contact with democrats. It's like you're accusing a murder victim of being lazy for laying down and not moving.
During the Obama administration, it was the republicans who weren't coming up with any real noteworthy ideas beyond "NONONONO" and "Lets try reaganomics for a third time!"
That's what happens when you have a two party system and the far right hyper polarizes things because they're upset that a black man managed to get to be president. You get a one party system basically.
Don't worry. If free elections in this country are ever held again and Democrats get power, they might be the only ones coming up with "ideas" and it will be the republicans who do nothing besides whine they're not being given a seat at the table. Except probably not, democrats have so far been too spineless to actually do turnabout. I mean, when Obamacare was being formulated, they spent almost a year negotiating with Republicans, taking hundreds of amendments. Exactly one GOP congressperson voted for it despite it being a plan initially proposed by Newt Gingrich and implemented by Mitt Romney. And they labeled it as evil socialism. Who the fuck were they kidding? If democrats ever get in power again, they'll try a similar "be nice to the irrational bully" approach, and the GOP voters will still accuse the democrats of being dictators.
No. But if you believe that's all that happened, perhaps you'd be interested in buying this bridge I have.
Even if they're stupid, at least he's coming up with some ideas ...
Now that's putting a positive spin on things.
We have the best stupid people, who put out the best stupid ideas. Awesome!
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.
Since the US has active trade and diplomatic relations with Russia, it is extremely hard to call interacting with them treason. More generally, it is a bad idea to label people are "traitors" because they disagree with you on who a traitor is. The recursion here gets very bad very fast.
Russia and Putin aren't the same entity, though some may think otherwise.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
It has been admitted that the Magnitsky act was discussed at the meeting with Trump jr.
I've been on corporate computer security teams for large companies, so I know why it would work, unlike you who can't seem to imagine how...
Should I assume your suggestion in that role was to establish a network security alliance with the hackers hammering your firewalls? Because that seems to be what you're advocating here.
"What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
In a court of law, that is called speculation. SUSTAINED!
It is speculation, but it is informed speculation. When the Magnitsky Act was implemented, it put sanctions on certain Russian individuals. Russia retaliated by doing the same thing to certain Americans as well as barring Americans from adopting Russian children. Donald Trump, Jr. has said the meeting with the Russian lawyer had to do with adoption. So their looking for some relief around the Magnitsky Act isn't far fetched, as it is related to adoption.
"What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
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Dude, nobody cares about your ranting. You can't even look up any responses because you post AC. What are you getting out of this?
"What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
Partnering with Putin on cybersecurity is like partnering with Donald Trump to make something great again.
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Recently, I've been telling anyone saying "no proof!" that "There is proof, it's just above your security clearance".
That was the same argument I heard over and over to get us into Iraq. The CIA/FBI/NSA are not trustworthy.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
You clearly misunderstand what Obama did. He pushed a snowball down a mountain. By making the dismantling of Obamacare political suicide, he's made a single-payer system an inevitability. He didn't view the ACA as a perminant solution and neither did any of them Democrats who pushed it through congress. The fact remains that it's better than what previously existed and a step toward the only morally acceptable form of healthcare in a first world country, which is single-payer.
"From the depths of my skeptical and rationalist soul, I ask the Lord to protect me from California touchie-feeliedom."
Why would it not be a good idea for both countries to share information as to potential ongoing attacks, and even have a similar kind of hotline akin to the Red Phone to have a dedicated 24x7 contact to ask if one country was really under attack from another, as it might appear...
Sure, but that's not what was being proposed. You've rationalized the President's notion into something a lot more reasonable sounding. The president was talking about enlisting Russian aid in developing an impenetrable barrier (I laughed out loud when I heard that) to foreign election meddling. Making the Russians an equal partner to that would be be like making the Mafia a partner in your anti-organized crime effort. In fact the FBI did something very much like that in Boston with Whitey Bulger.
It's not that we Americans are innocent of meddling in other peoples' elections; but if we want to secure our own making the Russians our partner in that is just plain stupid. They are the number one meddler in their own elections. There is no mutual interest here to be secured. At least not between Americans as a whole and the Russian regime.
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While I agree that Trump's collusion with Russia is unacceptable, I feel your characterization is hyperbolic. This makes it easier for Trump and his supporters to dismiss criticism when the criticism is so exaggerated. I don't know if I'd call it treasonous--but they're certainly not the actions of a man fit to lead this country.
"From the depths of my skeptical and rationalist soul, I ask the Lord to protect me from California touchie-feeliedom."
Clinton isn't an idiot.
Mind you, if Clinton had won the Presidency and the House and Senate composition was the same as it is now, not only would she not be able to get anything done (because the House and Senate would prevent it), they almost certainly would have continued to have hearings on Benghazi and every other damn thing they could use to continue to make her look bad. (Fine, admittedly, in some regards, she doesn't need any assistance from the Republican party.)
We'd almost certainly have rumblings about impeachment by now, if not submission of articles of impeachment.
But we have Trump, instead. And frankly, with the Republicans in the House and Senate, I'm not sure what, if anything, would make them go forward with impeachment against Trump.
Mr. Hu is not a ninja.
> Recently, I've been telling anyone saying "no proof!" that "There is proof, it's just above your security clearance".
Which is the same reason they still won't show us the aliens they captured in Area 51.
I've been saying this since Nov 9. It's nice to have validation that someone else thinks the same way!
- "Nobody came out that night, not one was ever seen. But Old Man Stauf is waiting there, crazy sick and mean!"
Do the people of Slash Dot all of a sudden now believe that Russian hackers are the ones the leaked Hillary's emails?? Gosh I remember when people here actually looked at fact and plausibility and didn't just believe something because some one repeated it over and over and over again. News for nerds? I think that title should certainly be changed.
A corporate security team might send mercenaries, though. And what the mercenaries would do is anyone's guess, really.
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
So, how does it feel to be on the receiving end for once? Because with allies like you, who needs enemies anyway?
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
So your rebuttal basically boils down to "nu uh!"
Just because it happens so egregiously in Slovakia is not a firm argument for why it should be acceptable elsewhere. If anything you're making a strong case for serious reform efforts in your own country.
I think it's not acceptable anywhere. And it's not happening just in Slovakia, it's the whole of Central and Eastern Europe. Hungary has a serious problem with Soros' NGOs, it made news recently multiple times. I have several Czech friends who say it's the same there. I know the NGOs practically rule Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia, Albania, that was also in the news in the last couple of years. I think the whole of Europe is ripe for some democracy-strengthening reforms regarding external financing of politically active organizations...
Once we uncover where Trump has been getting the funding for his various projects over the past 10 years or so it will be apparent why Trump is in love with Russia and Putin. Putin and his gaggle of Russian billionaire cronies is most likely the source of The Donald's investment capital, probably routed through foreign banks like Deutsch Bank. We know U.S. banks quit loaning The Donald money after the first few bankruptcies.
You're intentionally conflating an irrelevant story with the healthcare system. When it comes to removing life support, there will always be controversy one way or the other and that has nothing to do with a single-payer healthcare system. The Terri Schiavo case was a similar one in the United States. Of course, you were probably well aware of your fallacy and that's why you posted AC.
"From the depths of my skeptical and rationalist soul, I ask the Lord to protect me from California touchie-feeliedom."
How the fuck is that informative? Russia, as much as you may want them to be, is not actually a formal enemy. They weren't even a formal enemy during the Cold War. That's why use were charged with Espionage and not Treason.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
You should send me an email.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
The scary thing is that, at the time of this writing, DivineKnight's post was moderated "Insightful" and not "Funny".
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Technically there was chemical WMDs in Iraq. It's just that we (the US) where the ones that sold them to Saddam, to help him fight against Iran. We might have actually sold them to Saddam a few times...it's almost like "planting evidence". When it comes to him having any nuclear capabilities, the CIA reported that it was highly unlikely. He probably had the in-house technical expertise, but lacked any fissionable materials, had no centrifuges, etc. He REALLY wanted to have a nuke, but even the CIA estimated that even if he could get ahold of the equipment he was still at least 5+ years out.
The "yellowcake" we removed is several refining steps away from usable U-235. One needs around 4000 metric tons of yellowcake to get enough U-235 out to make a Hiroshima size nuke, Saddam only had around 400 metric tons. The IAEA knew about this, much of it was from his nuclear reactor Israel had bombed back in 1981. However, I do agree that often the CIA is untrustworthy; it's part of their job to spread disinformation.
Dude...you need to move to a proper country.
I am reminded of the words of Mahatma Gandhi, when a reporter asked what he thought of western civilization.
After a slight pause, Mahatma replied, "I think it would be a good idea."
As long as there is a significant portion of people in the United States willing to turn back war orphans to their country of origin because "Not my kid, not my problem!" the United States will be uncivilized. As long as there is a significant portion that thinks paying our armed services members so little that the qualify for welfare and food assistance, we are uncivilized. As long as there is a significant portion willing to see our senior citizens starve in poverty and unable to obtain prescriptions, we are a nation of barbarians and savages. As long as police are able to kill unarmed, unresistant people with impunity and without repercussion, we do not have a government, we have warlords. As long as there is a significant portion that think "I've got mine, FSCK YOU!" we are not a nation, but a mob.
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
Fuck you, APK, wharrgarble, LMAO, apk
You have crossed into self parody. Or maybe that's the point. Just out of curiosity, does APK stand for Alex P. Keaton?
"What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
Or we could just get rid of medical insurance and pay the doctors, nurses, and hospitals directly via the government... but like whatever, helping people is fucked and I don't need anything from society. I made the device I'm typing this with metal I mined, refined, followed by teaching myself with no books or teachers how to transform and program to connect to slashdot... let alone the lack of help I got getting myself outta that fucking womb and then walked out of the hospital got a job and earned the tools to start this process.
Thats what we do in Canada. And I am happier than a pig in xxxxxx
Leslie Satenstein Montreal Quebec Canada
There is a picture of Donald Trump in the dictionary, right next to the word "Treason"
Donald Trump and many members of his administration and campaign are known traitors. They colluded with Russia's attack on our country.
You keep tip-toeing around the definition of treason while not actually providing it. This is because you know you are supporting a treasonous Russian puppet.
You support known traitors like Donald Trump and his crime family, because you are a traitor yourself.
Treason occurs only when you give away secrets or favours. I don't think that happened. Un-ethical practices yes.
Leslie Satenstein Montreal Quebec Canada
Ah I see because Vlad denies it abd Donnie believes it you believe it too. You are as gullible as 'him' if you think the cyberattacks are not orchestrated by the Kremlin. It's like saying "Let's sit down with the burglar who broke into my house last week and discuss how to secure the house". Doesen't make any sense and it will jeopardize U.S. cyber security.
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This is like inviting Jeffrey Dahmer to join your neighborhood watch after he kills your neighbors.
Um... wouldn't that actually be a REALLY good idea? I mean, while he is participating in Neighborhood Watch, he is being seen by people which means he can't be killing people at the same time. Am I missing something here?
"Someone needs to talk to the tree of liberty about its ghoulish drinking problem." by ohnocitizen
Let me preface this with a simple question - Why on earth do you you feel like I need prove anything to you? My posing history is trivially available on SlashDot, anyone can look up my multiple years of posting the the psyudonym of Buss_Error. I chose that name because I was working with FAA air traffic control computers, and errors in the buss were introduced through inadequate shielding of the computer. My tag line has not changed over the years.
On to a point by point:
See subject: With your FAKE NAME for your FAKE LIFE no less "talking big" blowhard windbag bs (mere talk - PROVE IT talker)...
My name as posted here is a pseudonym. So, yes, it's not my real name. But I use a pseudonym as a first layer to defend myself from spammers and scammers. I assisted in kicking off Alex Blood, Ralsky, and other scammers many times. In some cases, I was required to submit a deposition to their criminal trials. See Network News channel Network.Admin.Net-Abuse.Email and the North American Network Operators Group archives.
On computer security, this WAS my job for nearly 24++ yrs. straight in code & network security - was it yours, talker?
I've been involved with DARPANET and Internet on a professional basis since 1975. I have worked with many folks that I consider giants, and my work excels, if it does, only because I have great mentors. Mentors that many have received a Nobel prize. I am not nearly as tallented and able as they are - I simply do the best I can with what I have, when I have it.
"Big bad 'buss_error'"? Prove your background (behind a fake name online, lol).
I make no particular claim to fame or expertise. Your plea leaves me unmoved. My work, again, is documented on line in many places. Again, I don't claim any special recognition - it's there, make your own conclusions, and I'm happy with whatever you think. Because I really don't much care what you think. I know what I know about myself, I don't need others to give me approval or kudos - though it is nice, I'll admit.
I won't ALLOW YOU to unjustiably downmod my post that SHOWS YOU'RE HOT AIR BULLSHIT
You seem to have an misunderstanding on how Slashdot works, and over estimate my interest in your thoughts. First, I cannot moderate, up or down, anything you post when I have posted to that story. Second, I have no interest in moderating you at all. When I moderate, I focus on the works, not the author. If it is something that makes me think, if I like it or not, I upvote it. If it is, as this, your latest post, is a diatribe and presents no thoughtful analysis, humor, or insight, I generally leave it alone. I very rarely ever down moderate.
Be that is it may, I'm sure you'll continue to spew your angry and nonsensical outbursts. This is generally a sign of a person that is either unstable, or insecure, though not always. I'm not sure what it is in your case, and again, I simply don't care. I've wasted time on you, not to take you to school, but to in some small way show how situations like this are best handled. By simply realizing that some folks just can't handle reality, and they're best patiently presented with the facts, and hope that leads them to a place where reality will help form their opinions and actions.
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.