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Ebay 'Millionaire' Sellers in Germany and UK Grow 50 Percent in Four Years (reuters.com)

"Millionaire" online businesses selling on ecommerce site Ebay have jumped 50 percent in key international markets Britain and Germany in the last four years, despite currency swings that have slowed growth outside the United States. From a report: Fresh data published on Tuesday by Ebay shows the number of million euro businesses selling on Ebay grew to 1,095 from 731 in Germany last year since 2013 while million pound-plus businesses rose to 663 from 443 in Britain over the same time period. Ebay's two big European markets were collectively responsible for 30 percent of Ebay's total net revenue of nearly $9 billion last year, although reported revenue in both markets dipped amid currency declines against the U.S. dollar. Two examples in the north of England are MusicMagpie.co.uk, which buys used CDs, DVDs and electronics from consumers for resale on Ebay in more than 140 countries, and cycling accessory seller MaxGear, now a 3.5 million pound ($4.51 million) a year business. While the company founded 22 years ago started out as an online auction site for consumers to trade second-hand goods, 80 percent of merchandise now sold via Ebay is new, largely fixed-price items, the company reported in the first quarter of 2017.

32 comments

  1. Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    EBay is somewhere between Amazon and Alibaba for cheap knock off junk.

    1. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly, and if I'm buying new, I prefer the convenience of Amazon over ebay any day.

    2. Re:Meh by zlives · · Score: 1

      and apparently there is a giant market for it so... i guess free market at work an all

    3. Re:Meh by p51d007 · · Score: 1

      Same here. Once Amazon came along, unless I can't find it on Amazon, I rarely go to ebay anymore.

    4. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I miss the good ol' days of eBay. Nowadays thanks to these sellers undercutting everyone I can't even get rid of old stuff anymore unless I sell it for almost nothing and just charge shipping. Most of the time it'll just end up in the trash or on the curb instead for the scavengers to take. Even many of the thrift stores are so overstocked that they're turning down donations.

    5. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I, on the other hand, used to buy a shitton from Amazon, but have been moving to ebay whenever possible. Probably at 95% ebay 5% amazon now. Reasons:

      (1) This space needs competition. If amazon corners the market that will be bad for everyone.

      (2) I get much faster shipping from ebay companies. I used to get fast shipping on Amazon but I refuse to pay for their "prime" thing, and now I usually have to wait a week, even two weeks before shipping. Ebay companies ship the same day or the next day almost every time, without me paying "membership dues".

      (3) Anymore, ebay has a lot of items that amazon vendors don't carry at all.

      Think carefully before you make something a monopoly. You might not end up with the world you want.

    6. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the point of using Amazon if they can just call some third party to fullfill your order?
      Never had a problem with eBay's system

    7. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Different AC, but Amazon is also not always the cheapest, prime or not, and lots of places are starting to offer free shipping. A great example is a wireless charger I bought for my wife. On Amazon, the charger white cost $10 more then the black one. This is silly to me so I check newegg and low and behold they have the exact same charger, both colors, at the same price equal to Amazon and with free shipping.

      Needless to say, I always comparison shop between a couple stores on purchases now.

  2. Sales != Wealth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    A business that sells a million dollars worth of merchandise is not a "millionaire" business. A "millionaire" is someone with a net worth of greater than a million $currency.

    1. Re:Sales != Wealth by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      A business that sells a million dollars worth of merchandise is not a "millionaire" business. A "millionaire" is someone with a net worth of greater than a million $currency.

      A million in earnings takes a lot more than a million in sales. How much depends on product and margin. Most big Ebay sellers have tight margins.

    2. Re:Sales != Wealth by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0

      I've seen this happening more and more often recently. Someone will not know what a term means, guess at the meaning according to what it looks like, and then begin using the term wrong. A million dollars in turnover isn't a millionaire, but whoever wrote this thinks so. Someone, probably the Slashdot editor, put it in quotes.

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  3. Truth is Ebay is Declining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=ebay,amazon

    Amazon at eBay's lunch. It's probably mostly access to reviews and dealing with a single company if something goes wrong, both features that eBay doesn't quite have. After eBay decided it wanted to become amazon, it just succeeded in alienating much of it's collectible's audience (that is going more and more to regular auctions via liveauctioneers, etc) and in becoming a Chinese fleamarket of dubious quality goods.

    The eBay millionaires are anything but. Revenue != profit. The high revenue sellers are paying a huge chunk in fees to eBay. Labor is big. Profit margins often slim.

    The money can be better than being a working stiff in Europe but don't kid yourself, it's not in the league of affording glamourous Porsches for 99% of "eBay millionaires" and a bunch of 12-14h days, and being scared that eBay might decide to kick you off due to a few bad customer reviews out of thousands. I, myself, got a 3 month suspension due to one guy saying he didn't get a $12 item after 3 months of purchase.... the tracking number said he received it 2 days after purchase and then contrary to their own rules, eBay decided my USPS tracking number wasn't good enough. I was a small time seller who didn't put anything online for 6 weeks and was on vacation, so I wasn't exactly following my business email when it went down 1 week and they slapped me for my tardiness in replying 72h after the complaint even though it wasn't expired.

    I don't envy eBay millionaires. It's tough work.

    1. Re:Truth is Ebay is Declining by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, but Amazon is going down too. They've let in all these unscrupulous sellers from China, and it's going to pollute the whole brand. Amazon is going to turn into a retail Alibaba and get a reputation as a place you go to get screwed. Chinese are the world champions of cheating in business, they have ways we've never even heard of. Amazon is basically built on trust and trust is going away once people start realizing there's no vetting.

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    2. Re:Truth is Ebay is Declining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Amazon at eBay's lunch"

      Huh? Oh, wait ....

      http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Genuine-Logitech-G910-Orion-Spark-Letter-E-Replacement-Key-Cap-ONLY-/201980098481?hash=item2f06f3b7b1:g:Da8AAOSwKoRZYCgj

  4. VAT (Sales tax) fraud by Martin+S. · · Score: 1

    AN ONLINE trader who cheated the taxman out of more than £300,000 in VAT receipts has been given a suspended prison sentence. For five years Daniel Waslin, 35, failed to register his business for VAT as he made more than £2.6 million from the sales of remote control golf trolleys and garden furniture imported from China. He evaded paying £323,000 in VAT. HM Revenue and Customs found out about his online auction sales through import checks and he was prosecuted for tax evasion.

    http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/new...

    1. Re:VAT (Sales tax) fraud by Topwiz · · Score: 1

      If a golf trolley is the same as a golf cart, why would anyone need a remote controlled one?

    2. Re:VAT (Sales tax) fraud by TFlan91 · · Score: 1

      Have you never played golf?

      90% of golf is drinking and fucking with the golf cart.

  5. Easy to sell stuff at a loss by DogDude · · Score: 1

    Most of e-commerce today is people and companies selling stuff at a loss. Anybody could sell a dollar for $.90. It's really only an achievement to be proud of if your goal is to run up the sales numbers so you can sell the unprofitable business to some dummy who doesn't care about profit.

    In our industry (pet supplies), we see that happen over and over again.

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    1. Re:Easy to sell stuff at a loss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The markup of stuff sold in the West is huge (including pet supplies). You can get stuff shipped directly from China for a fraction of what a store in the West will sell it to you for. Including pet supplies. And yes, ALL your pet supplies are made in China/Thailand/etc. So don't give us that "better quality" BS.

    2. Re:Easy to sell stuff at a loss by DogDude · · Score: 0

      Are you a Chinese troll? That's interesting. Does the government pay you to try to convince people to buy more Chinese stuff? If so, you're not doing a very good job.

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    3. Re:Easy to sell stuff at a loss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes they pay me $10 per post. Are you for real? Where are your "pet supplies" made?

    4. Re:Easy to sell stuff at a loss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Instead of personal attacks, do you have any actual counterargument to offer?

      Because I see the same in other situations. I can buy an item from a US vendor for $30... which is a hugely marked up identical item I can buy shipped from China for $2. The US vendor markup goes to pay US salaries, by why not just bypass the middleman? The US vendor is just a reseller for the original manufacturer in China 99% of the time anyway. What value does that add, when I could just bypass the middleman?

    5. Re:Easy to sell stuff at a loss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's okay to take a small loss on things. You can always make up for it in volume.

    6. Re:Easy to sell stuff at a loss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a point here. 99.9% of stuff that pet stores sell is made in China. I can buy kitty litter trays direct from China for $3 and tomorrow I'll walk into PetSmart and the exact same tray is $30, but with some pretty cardboard around it.

      Tell me why I should go into a pet supply retailer and pay $10 for a single squeaky tennis ball that I can buy 10 for $5 shipped direct from China?

    7. Re:Easy to sell stuff at a loss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you underestimate how much people will pay for convenience and a support service that they trust (rightly or wrongly in Amazon's case, I've found them excellent but I certainly don't pay more than I have to), I do agree with you that it's inevitable things will go that way eventually though. Once it becomes as easy to order from China as Amazon it will spread quickly as people try to save as much money as possible.

  6. Ali[Express|Baba] Drop & Re Shippers by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

    eBay. For the people that haven't figured out how to cut out the middle men.

  7. All part of the plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    eBay has been trying to shed its "online garage sale" reputation for years. Instead, it wants to be a cooler version of Amazon (while Amazon is paradoxically trying to become more like eBay...). Add in their tendency to adjust how often different sellers have their items show up in search results (supposedly to give everyone a chance to make a sale but more likely to throttle the sales of smaller sellers and reward larger sellers that play ball) and you get an environment designed to breed these so-called "millionaire" sellers at the expense of the kind of sellers eBay was built on. They've gone from online garage sale to online chop shop.

  8. What do Europeans use? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0

    I know American megacorps aren't very popular in Europe right now. What is the local equivalent of Ebay that Europeans can use?

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    1. Re:What do Europeans use? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Local classified advertisements websites for used stuff and local online shops for new stuff.

  9. Really? by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    So I guess they are now "1.5 million" sellers?

  10. Race to the bottom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Future generations will think we were all morons for wasting resources like oil and metal to make inferior junk, ship it round the world and have it break immediately and go straight to landfill. And then disguising this monumental waste with a words like 'business' and 'entrepeneur'. Gave up buying crap online from world-owes-me-a-living day traders, only buy through real companies with a reputation to protect now.

  11. What are they selling? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "80 percent of merchandise now sold via eBay is new, largely fixed-price items".

    This makes sense to me. I'm guilty of not-bidding so much anymore. I just don't have _time_ to get into a bidding war these days. Back when I was younger I had no money and all the free time in the world. Today I have a life to live and more monday at my disposal, and when I want something, I just want to pay for it and move on..... .....so......if eBay is declining, but millionaire sellers are increasing, I want to know what they're selling. I wanna be rich too!