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Congress Seeks To Outlaw Cyber Intel Sharing With Russia (onthewire.io)
Trailrunner7 shares a report from On the Wire: A group of House Democrats has introduced a bill that would formalize a policy of the United States not sharing cyber intelligence with Russia. The proposed law is a direct response to comments President Donald Trump made earlier this week after he met with Russian President Vladimir Putin. After the meeting, Trump said on Twitter that he and Putin had discussed forming an "impenetrable Cyber Security unit" to prevent future attacks, including election hacking. The idea was roundly criticized by security and foreign policy experts and within a few hours Trump walked it back, saying it was just an idea and couldn't actually happen. But some legislators are not taking the idea of information sharing with Russia as a hypothetical. On Wednesday, Rep. Ted Lieu (D-Calif.), Rep. Brendan Boyle (D-Pa.), and Rep. Ruben Gallego (D-Ariz.) introduced the No Cyber Cooperation With Russia Act to ensure that the U.S. doesn't hand over any cybersecurity intelligence on attacks or vulnerabilities to Moscow. Recent attacks such as the NotPetya malware outbreak have been linked to Russia, as have the various attacks surrounding the 2016 presidential election. "When the Russians get their hands on cyber intelligence, they exploit it -- as they did last month with the NotPetya malware attack targeting Ukraine and the West. It is a sad state of affairs when Congress needs to prohibit this type of information sharing with an adversary, but since we apparently do, I am proud to introduce the No Cyber Cooperation with Russia Act with my friends Brendan Boyle and Ruben Gallego. I urge my colleagues across the aisle to join us in sending a clear message that Congress will not stand for this proposal to undermine U.S. national security," Lieu said in a statement.
Are people actually falling for this shit? And you thought Trump was the bottom of the barrel? You poor souls!
So the world is now safe for spam, malware and
Equation Group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Stuxnet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Want some more Magic Lantern with vendor cooperation?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Thats why a global understanding of what is trying to enter, stay on and communicate from systems and networks is so vital.
Malware is often very different to normal OS functions and the more nations and skilled people looking for such changes the better.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Does this mean they can prosecute Open Source programmers and security experts for publishing Security vulnerabilities to Bugzilla, or LinuxSecurity.com?
Vote Dimocrat for moar war!!!1!!
The bill is trying to cut funding to a russia/us cyber security group in the future, that doesn't even exist. It would be unconstitutional from the legislative branch to prevent executive from sharing information for national defense. Better summary directly from politicians http://dearcolleague.us/2017/0... and the text https://www.congress.gov/bill/...
I look at every bill passed and every Republican elected and I think What The Fuck. These might be my parents Republicans, but most likely they're not.
It isn't "Congress" which is trying this, it's a small group of the minority party. In fact, a small group even of the minority party. Basically nothing but gesture politics.
Why is this being covered as if it's real, again?
The only plausible answer is that it's BS click-bait.
It's fine to hate russia. They're white. No worries.
> When the Russians get their hands on cyber intelligence, they exploit it
As opposed to Americans, who handle information in a way that benefit the greater good ? (/Sarcasm) (Do i really need to provide links ?)
Get off your moral high horse already. You don't want to cooperate with anyone, you want to do things that are in your own interests, and get whoever you can to support your own interests (read: spineless Europeans vassal states). Cooperating with Russia would undermine common American interests and hence it's not good for America, because the Russians, have their own interests.
Has nothing to do with the already stupidly boring narrative "Russians are Evil" that is constantly being rammed into minds of commoners through the popular media channels. By the way, if you going to talk evil, talk about your own politicians and foreign policies that turn at least one country to dust and cause 50 years of political instability in the region every ~ 10 years. I see more evil committed by USG than in Stalin's wildest dreams. You just pack it better, hollywood style, a polished turd for ready for people to eat up and feel better about themselves at next election.
Freakin' hypocrites, the lot of you.
Proposing a cyber security cooperation group may have not been a clever idea today, but having a law making it unlawful is terminally stupid as you pose obstacle to it WHEN it could become a clever idea. And we all know that such laws may take time to repell.
Russia exerted illegal and undue influence on our election, and we now have a president in the pocket of an autocratic foreign leader. No way in hell should we be cooperating with them any further. We should be removing the threats to our country from office (and I hope the investigation does just that, getting EVERY Republican who colluded).
But we should give zero credence to the useful idiots and pro-Russia shills who exclaim "But but the US does bad stuff too!" or just spew out variations on "libtard" or "Dimocrat" or "Snowflake". SHUT UP. Republicans in this country have sold their soul to get power at any cost and shown this country their true colors. You've lost any claim of legitimacy or ethical standing you had left. It's all gone, no more credibility for you. Liberals are taking power back, fixing our broken electoral system (even as you cry about non existent voter fraud while helping FUCKING RUSSIANS GAME OUR SYSTEM, suppressing votes, and gerrymandering like crazy to falsely hold the house. You've gone too far. No more listening to your nonsense.
Maybe a stealth attempt for the US anti-virus makers against Kaspersky Internet Security, which is a Russian firm.
Would give Norton's bloatware less competition.
The attack vector for russia and china is porn, has been for the last 12 or so years.
Whenever Trump bursts out with another one of his brilliant ideas, immediately pass legislation to outlaw whatever it was he proposed. Yes, I can see some wisdom there.
I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
I mean, Make every single US senator more of a criminal?
They are. It's weird. It's UNAmerican. And it show that's thanks to that stupid bell-shaped curve, half the population votes republican!
The intelligence agencies wrote credible assessments, however they were intentionally distorted and misused by the president of the USA.
Funny thing about your example - it's exactly what is happening now. An obviously lying president got caught lying, and is throwing the intelligence services under the bus.
At least George W Bush never committed Treason. He may have been an idiot and a warmonger, but unlike Moscow Donald he never colluded with a hostile foreign adversary's attack on his country.
Can we be honest with ourselves for a moment?
This is a fundraising bill. It is designed to look good on a letter sent to Democrats in a couple of districts in hopes that they will send money to the reelection campaigns of the bill's sponsors.
It is functionally identical to the "questions" asked by Democrats during confirmation or committee hearings, or the statements made by Democrats during bill debates. The questions aren't seeking information, the statements aren't swaying votes, and this "bill" isn't intended to ever become a law.
See that "Preview" button?
I want to run for the next USA election, and I promise to undo this law and be a loyal follower of yours if you assist in getting me into power.
I promise to be a more loyal follower than Trump if you're looking for a replacement for the top job.
My PR team want help with hacking the opposition and twitter bots, my election team want election data, so can you please hack the election records of places like Florida.
In return I will get sanctions lifted against Russia, data sharing agreements, I'll even get Russia into 5eyes by promoting Russian cooperation against terrorism.
PS. Can I have a backchannel secured by Russia, I think the CIA might record my contacts with you and pass it to the Senate security committee.
Your loyal Servant, ... signed.... every upcoming wann-be politician....
Get a room.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
I think you're kidding yourself buttercup.
Trump wasn't chosen because he's a useful idiot. Do you seriously think that Manasfort, Junior, Cohen, Strone, Kushner.... all of the people arround him knew, yet he didn't??? What did they tell him when they disappeared on trips to Moscow? Holidays in the Algarve??
Are you seriously going for the 'plausible deniability' angle? Because he saw all this surveillance information that we see now. Those emails didn't come as a surprise to him, he had them as part of the CIA surveillance package he was shown.
Yet he still tried to pretend Russia wasn't involved. He still tried to do a cooperation deal with Putin. (!) He knows what he did, and he's doubling down on the lie.
So you're reduced to throwing insults and pretending Trump is a useful idiot that Putin manipulated??? No, he is complicit. Absolutely 100% up to his eyeballs in it.
And you're a traitor, people like you exist in all of these Russian controlled countries. People who want power so bad, they'd sell out their country to get it.
Silly question for you USAians, but...why, exactly, do so many Americans consider Russia to be an enemy? I mean, sure, there was a decades-long "cold war", but that was the USSR, and those days are (or ought to be) past. Why not treat Russia as a friend, make common cause where possible?
Enjoy life! This is not a dress rehearsal.
See subject: Everyone benefits by sharing it. It's exactly how programs like mine work APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-7 32/64-bit https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=%22APK+Hosts+File+Engine%22+and+%22start64%22&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=1/ using valid information from reputable & reliable security sources & yes, it works well (even per /.ers who like & use it) ala https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10839329&cid=54777645/
* Sharing "cyber-security" information here would be to EVERYONE's advantage involved, e.g. - KNOWN sources of threats would be one such example (& blocking them, just as my program above does, keeps you PROOFED vs. touching them & thus being infected by them...)
APK
P.S.=> You can quickly + EASILY figure out when it's invalid/bogus (so if a source consistently provides bad or invalid information/misinformation, you simply stop using them)... apk
At least Americans won't get their hands on Russian virus codes. It will make raiding and emptying your U.S. bank accounts that much easier, without any foreseeable defence from the USA. Hahahaha. Aka: shot in own foot.
Why are democrats so blinded by their partisan politics and completely imaginary fairy tale about Russian "influence/hacking/interference/what have you" with our election that they can't bring themselves to be normal, critically-thinking human beings?
I hate to do the kneejerk response but Obama did the whole cyber partnership with China after they hacked OPM and that "fixed" things.
See subject: MOST of these effete motherfuckers don't do SHIT except 'bitch' (which fixes zero). I actually DO something about it https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10860701&cid=54807085/ That? It's not MERE "bitching", it's action (something QUITE BEYOND those lacking idealism & beyond bullshitters...)
APK
P.S.=> Either you're a WASTE OF LIFE 'talker' OR, you do something to better the "human condition" (What was it Frost said? "The ROAD not taken" & losers don't understand that - all they can 'do', is bitch)... apk
But it was okay for Hillary Clinton and the Obama Administration to give the Russians uranium?
"And the 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back. Because the Cold War has been over for 20 years. " Barack Obama
Coder's Stone: The programming language quick ref for iPad
so if a source consistently provides bad or invalid information/misinformation, you simply stop using them
Finally some solid advice from APK. He is now openly encouraging everyone to stay away from his Hosts File Engine as at best it offers placebo level of protection.
P.S. => APK, Just because you say something a lot doesn't make it true.
"a group of House Democrats"
The Russia Democrats obsession is reaching levels of group paranoia obsession. Future psychiatrists will have a new field of study.
Instead we should be spending that money to bomb that elephant fucker APK.
hackers are smarter - if assume that you're usually right...
nothing to see here - move along
[quote]The idea was roundly criticized by security and foreign policy experts and within a few hours Trump walked it back, saying it was just an idea and couldn't actually happen.[/quote]
Hmm. The thought of encrypted back channel communications existing between US and Russian intelligence agencies does seem a bit... oh wait, no it seems completely common sense to believe these have existed for decades and always will.
Russia has nothing on the U.S. when it comes to cyber-crimes, attacking and sabotaging friendly countries' networks. If accusations come from America, they are just propaganda, and is something they've already done to others themselves.
Jul. 13, Juche 106 (2017) Thursday
Ridiculous Tongues of Trump Terrified At Might of DPRK
U.S. President Trump recently talked rubbish that the U.S. has been "exposed to a threat from a reckless and cruel regime," crying out for "taking decisive counteraction."
Asserting that the U.S. will never acknowledge the nukes of the DPRK and its threat, Trump said that what remains to be done for the U.S. is to prepare well all options including the use of power.
It is tragedy that Trump has not yet dropped his "theory of all-powerful strength" although it can never work on the DPRK.
It is a wild dream that can never come true for the U.S. to browbeat the DPRK through military pressure, sanctions and blockade.
The Korean people have always been exposed to military threat and sanctions by the U.S.
But they have never felt frustration or despair.
On the contrary, they have advanced straight on the road of building a powerful socialist country only, creating epochal miracles with self-development as a great engine.
The ever-escalating military threat, sanctions and blockade by the U.S. have accelerated the advance of the DPRK and made its people stronger only.
No matter what others may say, the service personnel and people of the DPRK will never flinch from the road of independence, Songun and socialism and the DPRK will creditably protect peace and stability on the Korean peninsula and in the region as a full-fledged nuclear power.
Ri Hak Nam
Slav != white
Slav != white
They look white enough to me.
They're just not Anglo-Saxon.
My idea from seven years ago: ...
""The need for FOSS intelligence tools for sensemaking etc."
http://web.archive.org/web/201...
"This suggestion is about how civilians could benefit by have access to the sorts of "sensemaking" tools the intelligence community (as well as corporations) aspire to have, in order to design more joyful, secure, and healthy civilian communities (including through creating a more sustainable and resilient open manufacturing infrastructure for such communities). It outlines (including at a linked elaboration) why the intelligence community should consider funding the creation of such free and open source software (FOSS) "dual use" intelligence applications as a way to reduce global tensions through increased local prosperity, health, and with intrinsic mutual security.
As with that notion of "mutual security", the US intelligence community needs to look beyond seeing an intelligence tool as just something proprietary that gives a "friendly" analyst some advantage over an "unfriendly" analyst. Instead, the intelligence community could begin to see the potential for a free and open source intelligence tool as a way to promote "friendship" across the planet by dispelling some of the gloom of "want and ignorance" (see the scene in "A Christmas Carol" with Scrooge and a Christmas Spirit) that we still have all too much of around the planet. So, beyond supporting legitimate US intelligence needs (useful with their own closed sources of data), supporting a free and open source intelligence tool (and related open datasets) could become a strategic part of US (or other nation's) "diplomacy" and constructive outreach.
Now, there are many people out there (including computer scientists) who may raise legitimate concerns about privacy or other important issues in regards to any system that can support the intelligence community (as well as civilian needs). As I see it, there is a race going on. The race is between two trends. On the one hand, the internet can be used to profile and round up dissenters to the scarcity-based economic status quo (thus legitimate worries about privacy and something like TIA). On the other hand, the internet can be used to change the status quo in various ways (better designs, better science, stronger social networks advocating for some healthy mix of a basic income, a gift economy, democratic resource-based planning, improved local subsistence, etc., all supported by better structured arguments like with the Genoa II approach) to the point where there is abundance for all and rounding up dissenters to mainstream economics is a non-issue because material abundance is everywhere. So, as Bucky Fuller said, whether is will be Utopia or Oblivion will be a touch-and-go relay race to the very end. While I can't guarantee success at the second option of using the internet for abundance for all, I can guarantee that if we do nothing, the first option of using the internet to round up dissenters (or really, anybody who is different, like was done using IBM computers in WWII Germany) will probably prevail. So, I feel the global public really needs access to these sorts of sensemaking tools in an open source way, and the way to use them is not so much to "fight back" as to "transform and/or transcend the system". As Bucky Fuller said, you never change thing by fighting the old paradigm directly; you change things by inventing a new way that makes the old paradigm obsolete."
Anyway, still working towards that in my very limited spare time....
http://twirlip.net/
Hope sharing and cooperation to build a better world is not outlawed now... But I guess I should not be surprised when insane people vote for making sanity a crime...
https://en.wikipe
A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
I'm going to continue using the Host File Engine. Your software is well written, functional. The Host File Engine performs exactly as promised by mmell
his hosts program is actually pretty good by xenotransplant
his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources by alexgieg
I've never tried to belittle (APK's) work, I've flat out said it's good by BronsCon
APK is kinda right. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works by bmo
I like your host file system by Karmashock
I find your hosts file admirable by vel-ex-tech
APK your posts on this and the hosts file posts, and more, have never been in error and/or bad advice by BlueStrat
* My code's recommended & hosted by Malwarebytes' hpHosts!
APK
P.S.=> See subject: By twisting the context of what I said you provide me the means for /.ers quoted above to blow you away (thanks)... apk
I'm going to continue using the Host File Engine. Your software is well written, functional. The Host File Engine performs exactly as promised by mmell
his hosts program is actually pretty good by xenotransplant
his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources by alexgieg
I've never tried to belittle (APK's) work, I've flat out said it's good by BronsCon
APK is kinda right. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works by bmo
I like your host file system by Karmashock
I find your hosts file admirable by vel-ex-tech
APK your posts on this and the hosts file posts, and more, have never been in error and/or bad advice by BlueStrat
* My code's recommended & hosted by Malwarebytes' hpHosts!
APK
P.S.=> See subject & our /. peers quoted BLOWING YOU AWAY you UNIDENTIFIABLE truly cowardly pitiful little "ne'er-do-well" troll, lol... apk
I'm going to continue using the Host File Engine. Your software is well written, functional. The Host File Engine performs exactly as promised by mmell
his hosts program is actually pretty good by xenotransplant
his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources by alexgieg
I've never tried to belittle (APK's) work, I've flat out said it's good by BronsCon
APK is kinda right. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works by bmo
I like your host file system by Karmashock
I find your hosts file admirable by vel-ex-tech
APK your posts on this and the hosts file posts, and more, have never been in error and/or bad advice by BlueStrat
* My code's recommended & hosted by Malwarebytes' hpHosts!
APK
P.S.=> You project what you do hilariously. I merely let our /. peers BLOW YOU AWAY easily, lol (see quotes above) you pitiful UNIDENTIFIABLE "ne'er-do-well" loser... apk
Donald Trump Jr. admitted everything. He was required to disclose his Russian contacts and did not do so until he was caught.
Let's just say that "nothing came of it" for the sake of argument (we have no one's word for this but Trump Jr.'s right now). Meeting minutes or corroborating stories from the other attendees would make this a bit more, ah, credible? Especially if they weren't on the Trump campaign committee?
Trump Jr. was still required to disclose those contact and did not do so. Until he got caught.
Oh I admit, this is no smoking gun, at least not yet. What it does look like, for the umpteenth time, is like the Trump campaign has something to hide. Something Russian. Notice how Trump Jr. was all keen on getting dirt on Hillary from the Russians? And failed to notice how this might look? Or perhaps Trump Jr. simply thought he would never be caught, or that rules are for the little people?
The Trump family are arrogant, entitled and break rules because they think they are better than everyone else.