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US Increases Number of H-2B Visas By 15,000 (arstechnica.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: President Donald Trump has said he's going to set more limits on the H-1B visa program, which allows tens of thousands of technology workers into the U.S. each year. But yesterday, the Department of Homeland Security moved to expand another type of visa, the H-2B, which allows lower-skilled workers in on a seasonal basis. The Department of Homeland Security said yesterday it is going to allow an additional 15,000 workers to come in under the H-2B visa category, which is typically used by U.S. businesses in industries like tourism, construction, and seafood processing. The program normally allows for 66,000 visas, split between the two halves of the year. That means the DHS increase, announced yesterday, represents an increase of more than 40 percent for the second half of 2017. Businesses can begin applying for the additional visas right away, as long as they attest under penalty of perjury that their business will "suffer irreparable harm" if it can't employ additional H-2B workers in 2017. The expansion is a temporary one, and it only applies to the current year.
Bring me all in, let the free market sort them out
#MAGA!! Suck it, libtards!
LOL. You got conned by an orange conman you dumbasses.
The H-2B visa is used extensively by Trump's own businesses, including his Mar-a-Lago resort in South Florida. During the presidential campaign, Trump explained his use of H-2B visas by saying that "getting help in Palm Beach during the season is almost impossible."
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So this would let in the sort of people that work at hotels, casinos and resorts.
If Trump were clever, he would allow unlimited H1B's in Rust Belt areas, with protections for local IT workers (assuming he won't support a free market, which is pretty much a given).
Silicon Valley CEO's don't want to go anywhere but down their mountain to work, but the massive influx of workers into one area is making things miserable for non CxO workers because of the density/demand-driven prices.
Want to see how badly the VC-fueled ventures really want to consume their H1B workers?
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Trumps doing exactly what YOU want - letting in more immigrants and you're having a cow claiming its unfair
One of the consequences of cracking down on illegal immigration is promoting legal immigration to replace it. The low wage addiction can continue -- but now it can be tracked.
The H-2B visa is used extensively by Trump's own businesses, including his Mar-a-Lago resort in South Florida. During the presidential campaign, Trump explained his use of H-2B visas by saying that "getting help in Palm Beach during the season is almost impossible."
"... at the wage and benefit levels we are offering"
Just like the income tax was temporary.
Face it, this is your new floor.
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Uh don't be such a snowflake libtard.
The Donald set aside all aspects of his business management to his family and close business partners. He is in no way pushing such changes through for his and other wealthy individuals personal interests. No one could be that stupid to take such drastic action in the public eye and expect to get away with it.
The Donald is working--above the board--here which I can't possible stress enough, so stop being a snowflake libcuck. He's doing this for America, not him. He's sacrificing *so much* for *you*!
--Anon Cuckservative
P.S., #MAGA
The amusement park went through thousands of hirings and firings. It was labour intensive work, but for a college student with no labor skills, the 80+ hour work weeks were a steady source of summer cash. For work like trash collection, it was difficult getting people, both domestic and foreign, to apply for those jobs. In some of these H2-B cases, these are actually jobs Americans don't want.
I wonder, after his 4 years are up, what does team MAGA think happens to those businesses that have been handed off to "family and close business partners" ?
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Due to a massive effort from NALP members and others in the H-2B Workforce Coalition, a bipartisan agreement on a bill to fund the federal government through Sept. 30, 2017 contains limited H-2B cap relief. The House and Senate are expected to pass the bill this week and send it to President Trump for his signature before Friday. This agreement essentially ends the chance of a government shut down next week. The bill provides the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of Labor, the authority to raise the H-2B cap when he determines there is an economic need. It limits the total number of H-2B workers to that may enter the U.S. during fiscal 2017 to 129,547, the number of new and returning H-2B workers admitted to the U.S. in fiscal 2007.
Look, it is improper and economically devastating to pay low-end service workers high-end salaries. Competing for them via wages/benefits would drive our costs through the roof, which would in turn make our services so expensive that nobody could afford them.
The owners are sure as hell not going to operate at a loss, so, increasing the labor supply is the only way we can keep the show running at all.
So, how long before they start classifying Helpdesk and System Admin positions as 'lower-skilled' positions that are eligible for the H-2B? As companies move to make Entry level, or level 1 positions more KB and 'script' based, it doesn't seem like a huge leap for some IT positions to become classified as H-2B level.
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"getting help in Palm Beach during the season is almost impossible."
That's not the whole story. Here are the con artist's own words about using H-2B quotas at Mar-a-Lago:
"It's almost impossible to get help," the Republican presidential candidate told CNN last month. "And part of the reason you can't get American people is they want full time jobs."
Oh the horror. Americans wanting full-time jobs. But then, being the con artist, you don't suppose he's lying, do you? The next two paragraphs:
That is news to Tom Veenstra. He is senior director of support services at the Palm Beach County CareerSource office. It's a free service that links qualified job candidates with employers. And during the past two years, the agency has placed more than 50,000 people in jobs in Palm Beach County. Veenstra says he has no doubt he could fill Mar-a-Lago with U.S. workers.
"We have hundreds of qualified candidates for jobs like these," Veenstra told CNN. "That's what we do here. We help place local residents into jobs like those."
When DeBeers does this we call them a cartel.
what's a niiger?
they'll go where the money is. Meanwhile pissing off rust belt employees is what cost Hilary the election (our demented politics means a few thousand people decide the outcome of presidential elections).
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and people will want the jobs. I don't get to import cheap drugs from Canada, do I? Why the hell do they get to import cheap labor?
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Tell me how importing 15,000 more foreign workers in any way shape or form helps "Make America Great Again"???
8 years
Man you guys keep getting numbers wrong. 99% chance for Hillary, 60%+ votes for Hillary (she didn't even break 50%- no popular vote winnar lewl), all your opinion polls, all your economics...
"high-end"
Translation: able to feed and support your family.
"Competing for [low-end service workers] via wages/benefits would drive our costs through the roof, which would in turn make our services so expensive that nobody could afford them."
Especially at Mar-a-Lago, which is frequently visited by poor and middle class vacationers.
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!Man you guys keep getting numbers wrong. 99% chance for Hillary, 60%+ votes for Hillary (she didn't even break 50%- no popular vote winnar lewl), all your opinion polls, all your economics..."
Double fake news. Fake news about fake news.
For not working for low pay.
Cut any and all wage bargaining power is the mantra of this nation.
And you wonder why with inflation you have not had a raise sense the 70's.
I think it's a country somewhere
The owners are sure as hell not going to operate at a loss, so, increasing the labor supply is the only way we can keep the show running at all.
The show is for the benefit of the 1% who can afford to pay higher prices. If they decide they can't, then they'll spend their money somewhere else and that will employ people too. Or maybe if they can't get enough fun for their buck they'll invest the money which will create more efficient industries and help the economy grow.
This isn't like the minimum wage hikes where people lose their jobs because fewer workers are hired. In this case the fewer workers being hired is caused by fewer workers being available. Wages go up at the expense of the rich Americans rather than at the expense of the very poor Americans.
I often don't like the choices people make, but I like the fact that people make choices. That's why I'm a conservative.
so, increasing the labor supply is the only way we can KEEP WAGES LOW
Fixed it for ya.
"getting help in Palm Beach [at the price I pay] during the season is almost impossible."
There's that sorted.
I guess that's what a fake degree from the Wharton School gets you: complete ignorance of one of the most basic principles of economics: Supply and Demand. I could almost guarantee that if he paid $1/hour more than the next resort he'd have plenty of help lining up to work for him.
Maybe he can get Rick Perry to explain it to him. Then again, maybe not.
He did it because he was struggling to find inmigrant employees in his Winery, one of those jobs native americans won't do.
Not a Trump supporter at all, but this is a step in the right direction and isn't enough. These are jobs not careers as they are non-exempt by labor laws and the ACA almost guarantees that a business wouldn't hire the person full time as benefits enrollment is for a yearly employee which costs money they don't need to be spending for temporary increases in labor. In my opinion, this is a great incentive to replace the utilization of illegals with legalized immigration that brings the standard of living for seasonal employees up to par. Many of these businesses are going to hire illegals anyway because they can, but with a level of risk that could likely turn untenable. If they can access a temporary labor pool to bring in the same seasonal workers without the risks, they'll do it to avoid the penalties. Consider now that cost of the H-2B visa process will equalize the playing field between local and imported labor. Great move in my book, so someone else besides Trump must have come up with it.
You get government benefits, and there is an H2B job available, you take that job or lose your benefits.
It's the whole "get paid to not work" that makes this kind of BS possible. You wanna watch TV in an apartment instead of watch street traffic from a refrigerator box? Get a fucking job.
Disabled? I'm sure there is an H2B job somewhere you can take.
Doesn't fake news about fake news return back to actual news? Oh wait, lies are more complicated than Boolean logic :(((
If those jobs paid more, then more USA people would take those jobs driving down wages.
Supply and demand.
It's an artificial supply brought in on special cheap conditions to sustain profits in the short term.
I think this answers the question. When corporation’s profit are put ahead of the people, that is not Populism. With age discrimination, the old engineers are getting replaced with foreign workers. In the 1980s and 1990 manufacturing was shipped overseas, today education has been shipped overseas by importing workers. I have multiple patents, knowledge in technology from VLSI design to machine learning, but working 8 to 6 is difficult for me due to my disability. Companies do not want technology generalist, but code monkeys that know how to do only one thing and pay them cheaply so corporations can make more profits. It is time to localize the fight back and shame the companies locally.
yeah I am sure a couple of bucks ontop of the $2000 a night bill for Trumps golf club visitors would be devastating to their clientele.
21.3% of Americans are on some kind of government assistance.
Americans can do the work, Americans will do the work. Cut the benefits, cut the visas, put America back to work.
"...Many of these businesses are going to hire illegals anyway because they can, but with a level of risk that could likely turn untenable...."
You are already admitting that there is this vast Criminal Class that balances potential Profit against potential Risk.
They are called Employers.They don't care that they are engaging in Criminal activities, although they really would prefer that such behavior was decriminalized, if only to save on Legal fees and Regulatory compliance.
This is the Evil at the heart of American Business: Business _is_ Business, and that is all that matters.
BTW, this is not a strictly Republican phenomenon, although it is part of their Economic Philosophy. There are plenty of scumbag Democrats as well, especially in Construction.
Trump was more than once a Registered Democrat, when it suited his Business interests. The rottenness at the core of American values transcends Political Parties.
selling out the American public. Both Dems and Republicans are equally guilty, what's the point of voting if both parties are equally bad?
Who else is working for the lowest of the lowest wages at his resorts, hotels, and vineyards?
"It's almost impossible to get help," the Republican presidential candidate told CNN last month. "And part of the reason you can't get American people is they want full time jobs."
Oh the horror.
Here in MN, the resorts are desperately trying to get more of these types of visa workers. These resorts are only open part of the year and can't give anyone full time jobs, American or foreign.
They actively recruit around the world to try and get workers for a few months. These aren't supposed to be jobs that allow someone to live year round. Often the workers have lodging as part of the deal. Sort of like camp councilors who get paid and work and live in a resort for a few months. Foreign teens and young adults seem to love this arrangement. American youth is often too affluent and/or lazy to do this type of work. There are jobs that aren't supposed to be a career. That's why the so called "living wage" obsession can't be universally applied.
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Doesn't fake news about fake news return back to actual news? Oh wait, lies are more complicated than Boolean logic :(((
The truth is, this is not a boolean logic (or mathematics). What you are looking for is "two wrongs don't make a right."
In my opinion, this is a great incentive to replace the utilization of illegals with legalized immigration that brings the standard of living for seasonal employees up to par.
I knew that there will be someone thinking and posting this. It is a short-sighted, bias, and completely wrong solution to think that H2B should be used to replace illegals. If you want to argue that employers can't find people to work, then the GP has already answered you -- there is at least one agency that supplies workers. If you want to argue that employers can't pay American wage, then the cause is actually American people.
If you think the work around is to find some others outside of the country by going through a legal process, then only corporations or big companies would do because they benefit from it -- the process would keep the wages low for them. Who do you think own those corporations/companies? Yes, the 1%. It DOES NOT help any small business owners at all because the legal process is NOT cheap (both funds and time) for them to bring in seasonal laborers.
Thus, I still see that this visa extension is based on self interest, not really for Americans.
Trump supporter here, this is perfect. This is exactly what he SHOULD be doing. H1B jobs are for Americans that live here, invest here, have roots here, and will live out their careers here. H2Bs are for the seasonal workers who go home when the work dries up.
There is nothing wrong here, this is genius.
Europe putting it's citizens first ? No, not really. Unless you come from Africa or Asia.
I'm an American, and I would love part-time, seasonal work. I just need to be able to earn $70k-$100k+ (depending on location) in a season and have some sort of assurance that I'll be able to do the same thing next season. I'd give up my full time job in a heartbeat to get half a year off under those conditions.
After the election, there was a shit load of Trump voting remorse. Are you saying after 4 years, Trump will have even more supporters? With hardly any delivery on his promises? That's glue sniffing crazy.
Why isn't this, among Trump supporters, a major scandal?
He's obviously kicking them (and all of us) right in the face. Not just with this, but in so many other ways as well.
I just don't get it.
Because their brains don't work right.
If the business can not operate without screwing their workers, then perhaps it should not be working at all. The economic system is already heavily weighted in favor of capital and slights the input of labor by design. This is the key problem with valuing capital above the value of labor. The problem will only get worse as AI and robotics take over more of the traditionally "thinking" positions of business. Our government has always favored money and property above human needs and values. No wonder our society is heading for a huge crash!
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...so what do the owners/management do in the off-season? Do they get jobs at the Piggly Wiggly?
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