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Predatory Journals Hit By "Star Wars" Sting (discovermagazine.com)

intellitech quotes an article from Discover's Neuroskeptic blog: A number of so-called scientific journals have accepted a Star Wars-themed spoof paper...an absurd mess of factual errors, plagiarism and movie quotes. I know because I wrote it... I created a spoof manuscript about "midi-chlorians" -- the fictional entities which live inside cells and give Jedi their powers in Star Wars...and submitted it to nine journals under the names of Dr. Lucas McGeorge and Dr. Annette Kin... The American Journal of Medical and Biological Research accepted the paper, but asked for a $360 fee, which I didn't pay. Amazingly, three other journals not only accepted but actually published the spoof.
At one point the paper simply transcribes dialogue from Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith. ("Did you ever hear of the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise? I thought not. It is not a story the Jedi would tell you....") And the author also cut-and-pasted big chunks of the Wikipedia page for mitochondrion (after globally replacing mitochondr* with midichlor*), then admitted in the paper's "Methodology" section that "The majority of the text in the current paper was Rogeted from Wikipedia" -- with a direct link back to that Wikipedia page. One sentence even mentions "JARJAR syndrome."

Three more journals did reject the paper -- but at least one more unquestioningly asked the author to revise and resubmit it. The author calls it "a reminder that at some 'peer reviewed' journals, there really is no meaningful peer review at all" -- adding that one journal has even invited Dr. Lucas McGeorge to join their editorial board.

112 comments

  1. the profit motive by cats-paw · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Isn't that the problem here ?

    Putting make a dollar ahead of honesty. It's a pervasive problem, it's not obvious to me why "scientific journals" would be immune.

    And once again it's a two party problem. The person publishing wants their paper published to put it on their resume, and the journal needs to fill the journal.

    The real question is, who's subscribing to this crap ?

    A more worrisome tin-foil hat idea - I suppose you could create faux journals to show that journals are not trustworthy and use them to cast doubt on legitimate science.

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    1. Re:the profit motive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well that is quite an interesting point about casting doubt on legitimate science. After all, Einstein published four papers in 1905 that cast considerable doubt on established and legitimate science of the time. Much of it was not accepted by other scientists until confirmed by others. But it blew away many established theories of space time as we now know.

      I'd hold off on making claims that what we know today is legitimate science. I expect we have far more to learn about nature and the universe than we know today that will again overturn what is acceptable knowledge. Unfortunately there are far too many people willing to bludgeon others with the mantle of science to gain political power.

    2. Re:the profit motive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who's subscribing? Journal subscribers consist primarily of educational institutions, libraries, and research organizations. That said, a journal existing doesn't mean your town's college is subscribed to it - many of these questionable journals may have few subscribers if any (I can't help but wonder if the one charging $360 to publish doesn't have any readers). My hope is that an organization such as a university would have the sense to ensure that they're subscribing to reputable publishers, but my knowledge of people makes me doubtful.

    3. Re: the profit motive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Walk off a roof. Gravity is just an unproven theory, after all.

    4. Re:the profit motive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd hold off on making claims that what we know today is legitimate science

      Science is the process, not the result. Legitimate science is not about whether or not the result turns out to be true and complete in the end, but whether the method of inquiry is honest and peer-reviewed.

    5. Re:the profit motive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's far more than a two party problem. Why do you think the author wants it on their resume?

    6. Re: the profit motive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, some of the effects of gravity are well known. However, there is still plenty of discoveries to be made regarding the mechanisms involved with the phenomenon. Until engineers can can build instruments that can manipulate this force, we cannot say that gravity is fully understood.

    7. Re:the profit motive by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      It's a damn shame I don't have any mod points today. This is the best comment I have seen so far in this thread.

  2. This is no surprise by Brett+Buck · · Score: 0

    Not only have others done the same thing before, even without these examples, "peer review" is almost always a load of bullshit. Unless someone repeats the experiment/study/analysis themselves as a peer-reviewer, the peer review tends to be little more than a grammar and spelling check, did everyone label their figures correctly, etc.

          It's adding a step that gives the impression that the paper or whatever has been checked, but in reality, any errors that are baked-in are very likely to blow through the process with no problem.

    1. Re:This is no surprise by XXongo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not only have others done the same thing before, even without these examples, "peer review" is almost always a load of bullshit..

      Again: these are not real scientific journals, and the "peer review" is (as you say) "a load of bullshit" because it does not exist-- there is no actual peer review because these are not real scientific journals.

    2. Re:This is no surprise by starless · · Score: 3, Informative

      "peer review" is almost always a load of bullshit. Unless someone repeats the experiment/study/analysis themselves as a peer-reviewer, the peer review tends to be little more than a grammar and spelling check, did everyone label their figures correctly, etc.

      Peer review in the journals I publish in (astrophysics) is very much more than a "grammar and spelling check".
      Where do you publish and in what field??

      Replicating an experiment is certainly outside the scope of peer review.

    3. Re:This is no surprise by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      If you have some evidence that peer review in reputable journals is anywhere near as faulty as the faux peer review in these scan journals, then provide that evidence, otherwise you're just as big a fake as these scan journals, and just as diahonest, vile and immoral.

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    4. Re:This is no surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I'm a little late to this party, but....

      are we saying they are not "real" scientific journals primarily based on the evidence that they accept prank papers as authentic?

      Or is there some other, clearly expressible, criteria by which "real scientific journals" can be differentiated from the phony ones? I would like to know the specifics, so this same experiment can be attempted against them.

    5. Re:This is no surprise by HiThere · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's weak and there's fake. These journals have been proven to have fake peer review, but real journals often have weak peer review...weak in both the positive and negative sense. Some papers are rejected because the reviewer didn't believe the results, and some papers are accepted because the verifiable assertions were not carefully checked. BOTH modes of failure happen. As to frequency...that's another question. There's obvious a reporting bias, where one only hears about the failures (as such). It's like the refusal to print negative finding. We know it happens, but we don't know how frequently, and how often people are discouraged from even trying to repeat an experiment because they expect that negative findings will be repeated. Thus we know there is sample bias, but we don't know the size of the bias. It's possible that it isn't large enough to matter (but that's not the way I'd bet).

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    6. Re:This is no surprise by GrumpySteen · · Score: 1

      You're asking for specific criteria for telling whether someone is trying to lie to you. The moment you make a list like that, liars adapt and find new ways to tell lies.

      At best, you can list the characteristics to look for, and you can find a list of those on Wikipedia.

    7. Re:This is no surprise by wubti · · Score: 1

      Certainly post factum you can make this argument. However, it is clear that at least ARJ https://arjonline.org/, which published this paper bills itself as a peer-reviewed source of information. "We provide an ample range of standard articles that are published after a rigorous peer-review process by expert Editorial board and reviewer’s team. We do not compromise on unbiased performance and quality output from our part as we give utmost importance to quality of research and innovation."

      The challenge is that as long as there exists "peer-reviewed" sources that are not peer-reviewed, the door remains open to question all peer-reviewed sources. The layman has no way to distinguish "real" scientific journal from "fake" ones. This leads to "Alternative facts" and "Fake News" and confusion about what science is really finding.

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    8. Re:This is no surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn, I've been submitting to the wrong journals then, or maybe I'm in the wrong field. My experience is that you almost always get at least three types of reviews for any given paper: a thorough and often brutal review from an expert who really knows his stuff, a grammatically focussed but still reasonable review from someone with passing familiarity with the field but no deep expertise (which is ok: papers need to be readable), and a dose of batshit crazy from the innevitable reviewer 2.

      "Blow through the review process"... yeah, no. Unless you're submitting to some rubbish journal like the above, in which case good luck getting you're Uni to give you any credit on that publication.

    9. Re:This is no surprise by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      No, the peer reviewer's job is not to replicate the experiment. Other people will do that *after* the paper is published. The peer reviewer is to decide if the paper is suitable, adheres to rigorous principles, that the experiment was well specified so that it could be reproduced by others, suggestions for missing tables that would explain things better, and so forth.

      Nobody in science is going to change their mind over a single experiment in a paper, that's what fluffy press is for, to trumpet the news "chocolate binging shows correlation to better foot health". A scientist will wait for more experiments, try the experiments, work through the math to see if it holds up, suggest ways to experiment differently, and so forth.

    10. Re:This is no surprise by habig · · Score: 1

      Not only have others done the same thing before, even without these examples, "peer review" is almost always a load of bullshit. Unless someone repeats the experiment/study/analysis themselves as a peer-reviewer, the peer review tends to be little more than a grammar and spelling check, did everyone label their figures correctly, etc.

      Hmm. Ever actually done it yourself, or are you simply making shit up? Either received comments from a peer reviewer, or made them yourself?

      Perhaps you're confusing peer-reviewing with the journals editorial staff. Once the peer review is done, they do a professional job of the spelling, grammar, layout, labeling, etc. But that step doesn't happen till the "worth publishing or not?" question is answered, and is done by professional editors not other scientists.

      Most scientists spend a decent fraction of time peer-reviewing. I can assure you that for real journals, not these fake ones in the article, what you say is generally not the case. Definitely not "almost always". People who put in the work to be a scientist, for the most part, do so because they like the work, care about it, and tend to do a decent job at it.

    11. Re:This is no surprise by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      Not only have others done the same thing before, even without these examples, "peer review" is almost always a load of bullshit. Unless someone repeats the experiment/study/analysis themselves as a peer-reviewer, the peer review tends to be little more than a grammar and spelling check, did everyone label their figures correctly, etc.

      Unfortunately, the 'its been peer reviewed' argument has been used out the wazoo right here on /. Much easier than challenging the point itself and a rationalization for dismissal of criticism.

    12. Re: This is no surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my field, I am at the point that if I can't replicate the experiment using the original data, then the only safe assumption is that the experiment was fraudulent from the get go.

      This is as true for JAMA as it is for APA publications.
      Ironically, the journal that has the fewest fraudulent resesrch studies in my field, has no academic institution subscribers in North America.

    13. Re:This is no surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The plural of anecdote is not data, but I'll contribute one tale which illustrates that peer-review can be patchy.

      I was sent a paper for review by an MRI journal. It was a presented as a systematic literature review (i.e. a rigorous search of the literature is performed according to a method explicitly stated in the paper, each search result is scored/graded according to relevance and quality, and a synthesis of the literature prepared as the main body of the paper, together with an estimate of the robustness of the evidence for each claim). In this cased a meta-analysis was not included, but systematic reviews are usually a good opportunity for a meta-analysis.

      What was baffling, was that the paper was clearly not about MRI. It appeared to be about PET scans, but the authors kept calling them MRI. Not only that, but the search method used a variety of completely inappropriate search terms and exclusions. On top of that, there were tons of missing references when I repeated the search, and about 5 or 6 included in the review, when they met exclusion criteria. Of course, it was also quite clear once I dug a bit further, that none of the papers cited had been read, as many said things quite different to what was claimed.,

      I sent a 2 line review back:
      "I recommend rejection. The authors do not appear to know what MRI is. The underlying topic is obscure and of little current interest, and moreover is not one for which MRI is used. The search method for the literature review is not valid, and additionally has not been performed with adequate care as numerous citations are missing or included despite meeting exclusion criteria. There are too many errors in interpretation and citation to list individually. "

      This particular journal ccs the reviewers into the e-mail to authors, which includes all reviewers' comments.

      Reviewer 2 had sent the following review in:
      "The authors may have erroneously included some PET studies. However, the paper as a whole is well written. Recommend accept following minor changes".

      In other words, it's quite clear than reviewer 2 had basically skim-read it in 5 minutes, spotted the PET/MRI anomaly, but completely ignored this massive red flag and failed to do any further probing.

    14. Re: This is no surprise by F.Ultra · · Score: 1

      Which is why the peer-review process includes more than a single reviewer. Now we don't know what happened to the paper you reviewed but thus far it sounds like the process worked as intended. Perr review is not there to be 100 pct safe, it's just there to keep some safety margins. The real test comes once it's published and the scientific community at large can read it.

    15. Re:This is no surprise by godrik · · Score: 1

      This is certainly not true everywhere. I sit on conference program committees fairly often. And first tier conference are paying a lot of attention to their reviewing process. We often prefer reject a paper we are unsure about rather than accepting it. Lots of papers get rejected because of incorrect proofs, or results that are not deemed convincing enough, or the novelty of the method being judged too low.

      Now I agree with you that the main part of the peer review will happen after publication. But the peer reviewing filter at top tier journal and conference ensure some standard of quality.

      Conferences have started their reproducibility initiative a couple of years back where they will organize event to reproduce the results of some papers and will add a particular note on the document that this particular paper has been reproduced.

    16. Re:This is no surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is ample evidence that much published research is not reproducible. As high as 40% in psychology. Lower, but still substantial in other areas of science. This is research published in reputable peer reviewed journals. The peer review process is failing, even in legitimate journals. Fake peer reviewed journals is only adding to the problem.

    17. Re:This is no surprise by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      Agreed, peer review is entirely worthless. If a study cannot be reproduced then it should not be considered scientific.

  3. Too Easy in Gender Studies by Kunedog · · Score: 5, Informative
    http://www.skeptic.com/reading...

    The androcentric scientific and meta-scientific evidence that the penis is the male reproductive organ is considered overwhelming and largely uncontroversial.

    That’s how we began. We used this preposterous sentence to open a “paper” consisting of 3,000 words of utter nonsense posing as academic scholarship. Then a peer-reviewed academic journal in the social sciences accepted and published it.

    1. Re:Too Easy in Gender Studies by Brett+Buck · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Of course, but "gender studies" isn't a scientific discipline in the first place. It's not even a legitimate branch of social science. This turns peer review into a cheering section, or not, for whatever predispositions the reviewer and author, have. Any notion that it is legitimate science is a complete delusion on the part of the participants. Biology and psychology cover the topic adequately, "gender studies" is a thin veneer over politics.

    2. Re:Too Easy in Gender Studies by GrumpySteen · · Score: 1

      There are predatory journals for every branch of science. They'll all print literally anything and call it peer-reviewed for a fee

    3. Re:Too Easy in Gender Studies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gender studies departments: 90+% female faculty saying STEM fields should change themselves to appeal to women to reach 50/50, but they shouldn't change at all attract men.

    4. Re:Too Easy in Gender Studies by iggymanz · · Score: 3, Funny

      wash your mouth out with soap, philistine. You can pay big money for a gender studies degree at Harvard, so it must be a totally legitimate branch of social science!

      (I kid, wish I was about the Harvard degree part)

    5. Re:Too Easy in Gender Studies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... that maleness is intrinsically bad ...

      Truth in comedy: Nine months ago, the 'stop domestic violence' campaign here, got federal funding. In that time the domestic violence PSA message goes from it 'involves a man and a woman' to 'the man is a criminal, the woman is a victim'.

      ... is akin to raping the empty space around ...

      So women in the same posture are prostituting themselves to their empty space. Maybe there could be a word for this, like 'prick-teasing'. One can make a similar argument with the overwhelming sexism in clothing. Here, one retailer is starting to make children's clothes more gender irrelevant.

      ... be cheaply despoiled for their material resources ...

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    6. Re:Too Easy in Gender Studies by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

      Slap in the words "patriarchical" and "hetero-normative" and you have the core of your doctoral thesis.

  4. Trump science Czar appointment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's wrong with complete bullshit narratives anyway? They seem to be plenty good enough for this GOP.

  5. WHAT, NO PAYWALL?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The paper obviously is trash.

    REAL research papers are always paywalled.

  6. "So called" means "Predatory journals" by XXongo · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's important to emphasize the word "so called" in the phrase "so-called scientific journals." These are not scientific journals. These are what are called "predatory journals," which pretend to be scientific journals, but have no other purpose than to suck money out of people who want to publish in a scientific journal but aren't good enough to be accepted.

    1. Re:"So called" means "Predatory journals" by Deadstick · · Score: 1

      A vanity press, if you will.

    2. Re:"So called" means "Predatory journals" by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A vanity press, if you will.

      Exactly. You pay them, and they publish your paper. So TFA is reporting that someone paid them, and they published his paper. The exact same thing has been done many times before. Why is this news?

      I put a page full of fake news on my photocopier, pushed the button, and the copier printed it without fact checking it. Outrageous!

    3. Re:"So called" means "Predatory journals" by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

      Apparently the guy didn't pay them. Does your photo copier print copies without paper or toner?

      Amazingly, three other journals not only accepted but actually published the spoof. Here’s the paper from the International Journal of Molecular Biology: Open Access (MedCrave), Austin Journal of Pharmacology and Therapeutics (Austin) and American Research Journal of Biosciences (ARJ) I hadn’t expected this, as all those journals charge publication fees, but I never paid them a penny.

    4. Re:"So called" means "Predatory journals" by rickyslashdot · · Score: 1

      AGREED! - These journals exist solely for profit - and generally can barely spell their own publication's name correctly (lol). The fundamental purpose of their existence is to suck up $$$'s, £££'s, and €€€'s from anybody that happens to THINK they are legitimate - generally from semi-bogus URL links, or sometimes from search engine results.
      The sad part of this issue is that even the reputable publications often use the same pricing strategies to bolster their bottom line, with no regard to the public interest - - - and charge exorbitant fees because they have a 'lock-in' with the scientific publication industry solely to make money, even though they get their material from scientific researchers who are trying desperately to gain accreditation through the 'published' avenue (even those who do their research on the public's dime) - listing their papers so that they can stay in the 'publish-or-perish' game of academia.

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    5. Re:"So called" means "Predatory journals" by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      When I was in grad school, getting a paper in a journal was prestigious. Getting a paper in a conference proceedings not as much. That's because it the standards for the journal were very high, but there were a thousand conferences who needed to get more papers submitted. Of course, everyone knew what conferences were more prestigious than others, always the pecking order. Your career was going nowhere if you could only publish in the fluff conferences, and they certainly weren't gaining you any brownie points in your PhD committee.

    6. Re:"So called" means "Predatory journals" by sjames · · Score: 1

      Your copier doesn't claim to peer review the paper when it prints it.

    7. Re: "So called" means "Predatory journals" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YOU are the product.

    8. Re:"So called" means "Predatory journals" by vlad30 · · Score: 1

      The problem is that these "Journals" are then used by people to then promote there BS products. How often in an infomercial do you see "published in so and so scientific journal" so our snake oil product is scientifically proven.

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    9. Re:"So called" means "Predatory journals" by sycodon · · Score: 4, Informative

      Just because the other journals are, "respected" doesn't mean they are smarter.

      It's been a problem for a while.

      And will continue to be.

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    10. Re:"So called" means "Predatory journals" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your copier doesn't claim to peer review the paper when it prints it.

      Try printing money with it

    11. Re:"So called" means "Predatory journals" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't know why this is news, then I'm sorry you can't think. Maybe let others do the thinking for you from now on.

    12. Re: "So called" means "Predatory journals" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      We have science publishing and academic review systems that favour quantity over quality and believe they can manage them with automated metrics systems (See Goodhart's law on metrics). What do you expect?

    13. Re:"So called" means "Predatory journals" by Gussington · · Score: 1

      How often in an infomercial do you see "published in so and so scientific journal"

      Honestly? Never. Maybe because I don't watch infomercials. But if you do, and you act on the information supplied, then you get what you deserve. Fools and money etc.

    14. Re: "So called" means "Predatory journals" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are also journals that just accept anything, because more content = more use of the journal, even if only by nefarious types.

    15. Re:"So called" means "Predatory journals" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not enough resolution for printing money. Scanning money is easy, and show incredibly detail. But no consumer printer comes close to print anything like that. Also, normal printers don't do holograms, and don't have the silver they use.

      Then there are watermarks and inlaid stripes of metal. Not really "printed" stuff, but you can't buy paper like that without attracting attention from intelligence agencies. Here, the paper manufacturers have to report if anyone tries to order the paper quality used for money. (And it is always out of stock too...)

    16. Re: "So called" means "Predatory journals" by sycodon · · Score: 1

      Better.

      That's what we all should expect.

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    17. Re:"So called" means "Predatory journals" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No true Scotchjournal and all that. Och, wee, bairn.

    18. Re:"So called" means "Predatory journals" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You missed the point.

      Many modern copiers will not make copies of US currency. The poster is saying "Try printing money with it" as a way of prooving that the copier does a peer review.

  7. looks by supernova87a · · Score: 1

    I think it's clear that the nearly-organized crime groups running these journals don't even speak or read English, such that anything makes its way in that looks like the format / graphical appearance of a paper.

  8. LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hate it when you read something like this just after running out of mod points.

    1. Re:LOL by andreas.hummelbrunne · · Score: 1

      I wanted to mod you as "underrated" but now I had to comment.
      @some other mod: Please mod up parent as "underrated"

  9. And yet, real science still exists by XXongo · · Score: 2

    The fact that fake "scientific journals" exist to scam money out of the gullible does not mean that real science does not exist.

    1. Re: And yet, real science still exists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sorry, you're not allowed to use logic when arguing about science.

    2. Re: And yet, real science still exists by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Politics is fine though, feel free to use politics when arguing about science. It's all the fashion these days.

    3. Re:And yet, real science still exists by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      The fact that fake "scientific journals" exist to scam money out of the gullible does not mean that real science does not exist.

      The fake journals do not scam money from the gullible. The scientists publishing in these journals know exactly what they are doing. They are paying to build their publication record, and they know that the quality of their work is too low for "real" journals. It is the institutions that look at these publication records that are being "scammed", but they are not paying for the publishing.

  10. Because by ArchieBunker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    as I've said before nobody ever reads all these papers. They are beyond dry and near worthless unless you are writing a thesis and need it as a source.

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    1. Re:Because by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      as I've said before nobody ever reads all these papers. They are beyond dry and near worthless unless you are writing a thesis and need it as a source.

      This is great news to me as my thesis title is "Jar-Jar Binks: Racist Character or Sith Lord?" and I need a few more sources for my "Midi-chlorians: The Force in Us All" section.

    2. Re:Because by Tenebrousedge · · Score: 0

      Yes, but you're retarded, so...

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  11. Completely false anti-science bullshit. by Brannon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just because there are lots of fake scientific journals out there doesn't mean that there aren't real scientific journals. Try publishing a nonsense paper to "Science" or "Nature" and see what happens. Try submitting this Start Wars paper to the New England journal of medicine and see what happens. Perhaps this wasn't your intention, but statements like, "'peer review' is almost always a load of bullshit." are dangerous because they feed into the mass perception that science isn't real and scientific facts are a matter of personal opinion. That's how we end up with a president who happily claims that climate change is a hoax.

    1. Re:Completely false anti-science bullshit. by Goldsmith · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The view that "peer review is bullshit" is a simplified version of a commonly held view among professional scientists (I am one). It is unfortunate that anti-science political forces also have this type of view, but "science" does have some serious problems, and many of us think that peer review as it is used now is largely to blame.

      There is a strong argument that prestige publishing style peer review (i.e. Science and Nature) has been detrimental to scientific progress. The root of the argument is that peer review went wrong when the purpose went from trying to determine whether the research was right to whether it was prestigious enough to match the impact factor of the journal. This is a transition that happened relatively recently, only in the last 30 years or so. Unfortunately, most people in science have now locked their career advancement on to increasing their publication impact factor, so it is very difficult to change even when many agree that it's leading to distortion of data, hype, falsification, poor scientific discipline, encouraging predatory publishing practices (as here), etc... More importantly, for me, the idea that scientists should be optimizing research projects to gather citations is not well aligned with what we should be doing: answering fundamental scientific questions and improving the world.

      If you dig in to some of what the author of this "sting" operation has written over the last 4 years, you'll see some of the arguments about this. The real discussion is much more nuanced and scientific than "peer review is bullshit," but that blunt approach is appropriate for Slashdot.

    2. Re: Completely false anti-science bullshit. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Even some of the more reputable journals have had hoax, joke, fraudulent, plagiarized, and computer generated papers that have slipped through the cracks. Google will help you find many examples.

      As a scientist, I am still human, I make mistakes. None of them have to do with publishing, but I'm sure I'd err in those regards, should I be engaged in them. It's okay to doubt my work. We are not infallible.

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    3. Re:Completely false anti-science bullshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry but you are factually wrong.. and therefore being un-scientific. The reason you ended up with the current president is because his opponent was a terrible candidate who abused and alienated potential voters, as well as cheated blatantly in the primaries. Now go back and learn how to be factual in your responses - otherwise do not claim to advocate for science.

    4. Re:Completely false anti-science bullshit. by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      We shouldn't talk about science's problems because that's embarrassing to science. Dear lord, that is the most anti-scientific attitude I have heard today.

      By the way, high ranking global warming proponents are on record stating that the goal of their movement has nothing to do with climate change and everything to do with ridding the world for capitalism, once and for all. By hook or by crook, they'll get it done.

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      Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
    5. Re:Completely false anti-science bullshit. by Ocrad · · Score: 1

      The real discussion is much more nuanced and scientific than "peer review is bullshit," but that blunt approach is appropriate for Slashdot.

      I totally agree. The problem is even worse in free software than in real science. It is enough for a "reputable" developer to state that a given free software project is "superior" to another for most everybody accepting it on his word alone, even if the evidence shows that the opposite is true.

  12. Vanity Fair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not sure why this is still news. These journals are a "scientific" facet of vanity publishing. Touting yourself as a "published" novelist or scientist has a lot less meaning these days and the world has moved on.

  13. correction: Re:This is no surprise by HiThere · · Score: 1

    change
    because they expect that negative findings will be repeated.
    to
    because they expect that negative findings will not be reported.

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  14. rest assured, the scientific community is going to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    This story will be blown out of proportion, these journals will be lumped in with Science and Nature and it will be used by professional trolls like Sean Hannity and everyone at Breitbart as an example of science is wrong - especially to back their lies and half-truths about climate change.

    And they have an audience of willful ignorant people who will gobble it up without question and pat themselves on the back for being skeptical and smart.

  15. How can you tell the fakes? by XXongo · · Score: 4, Informative

    are we saying they are not "real" scientific journals primarily based on the evidence that they accept prank papers as authentic? Or is there some other, clearly expressible, criteria by which "real scientific journals" can be differentiated from the phony ones? I would like to know the specifics, so this same experiment can be attempted against them.

    As GrumpySteen notes above, if there were trivial criteria to say what's a fake, the fakers would simply fake that criterion as well. The overall problem is that there is no longer any entrance barrier at all to putting up a web site, calling it Journal of Impressive Science-Sounding Name, and calling it an "open source journal"-- and since anybody can do it, anybody does do it.

    With that said, here are four good criteria for distinguishing real journals from fake ones:
    1. Does a real scientific society publish it? Most-- not all, but most-- of the reputable journals are published by societies. Look for The American Physical Society, the Electrochemical Society, the International Academy of Astronautics, the American Association for the Advancement of Science, or the like.
    2. What is the Impact Factor of papers they publish? Fake papers have zero impact factor. http://researchguides.uic.edu/...
    3. Do research libraries subscribe to it? If the MIT library doesn't subscribe to it, you should wonder why.
    and last: 4. Does it even have an actual print run? Real scientific journals still publish paper issues-- it's an old-fashioned holdout from the 20th century, but if a journal consists of nothing but an impressive-sounding website, it should draw your suspicion.

    None of these are infallable, but taken together, they put together a pretty good picture of what a real journal is, and what's fake.

    1. Re:How can you tell the fakes? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      And, what do the members of that scientific field think about the journal? If you're in the field then you know what's a bullshit journal and what isn't.

    2. Re:How can you tell the fakes? by jbmartin6 · · Score: 1

      Maybe what we need is peer review of the peer review. Hey, it's turtles all the way down.

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  16. Politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course, even those journals with good reputations have bullshit politics. NEJM rejected a revolutionary paper of my grandfather's so that one of their editors who had been working on the same problem but wasn't as far along could publish first.

  17. Double Jeopardy by ytene · · Score: 2

    The practices outlined in this research don't just harm the credibility of scientific journals, they also undermine what could be the legitimate work of hard-working scientists who have submitted papers in good faith.

    I can only hope that this analysis gets properly peer-reviewed (to verify if these journals really are publishing charlatans) and then anyone who has submitted legitimate research to these entities demand a full refund. If money changed hands, there is an implicit contract [if not an explicit one] that the publication in question actually performs "peer review" work... It certainly does not appear to be the case here.

    I wonder if the entities named will try and claim this was down to a "rogue reviewer" or that they are actually more of a "vanity publishing" service, just for scientists? Or maybe they'll sue.

    It's odd, isn't it: governments the world over are never short of things that they want to legislate against, but somehow they fail to take account of shady practices like these... I wonder... do you think that the current PoTUS would consider these to be fine, upstanding publishers or "Fake News! Sad!" ???

    1. Re:Double Jeopardy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It depends on how they mention him. If they say "greatest president ever" and "has accomplished more than any other president", he would call them fine upstanding publishers. If they say any thing bad or accurate (note: every president has had some failures and mistakes), he would call them "Fake".

    2. Re:Double Jeopardy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >they also undermine what could be the legitimate work of hard-working scientists who have submitted papers in good faith

      That's absurd. It is a step towards weeding out shitty journals. That would leave good ones with good papers. A good paper in a shitty journal is pointless.

  18. Liers lie: that's why they're called "liars" by XXongo · · Score: 1

    However, it is clear that at least ARJ, which published this paper, bills itself as a peer-reviewed source of information.... [my italics]

    You just said that the liars lie, and that fakers put out text stating that they're not fake.

    Well, duh.

    You seem to find this surprising? That's why we call the liars.

    1. Re:Liers lie: that's why they're called "liars" by wubti · · Score: 1

      No, what I said was that the average person cannot tell the difference. When anyone can find any "peer-reviewed" paper to back up their point of view, it becomes impossible for the average person to know what the truth is. Does eating chocolate lead to long life? How about drinking whiskey? I can find such papers if I wanted... and they will be peer-reviewed.

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  19. The real issue... by paradigm82 · · Score: 1

    The real issue is that society uses the fact that someone "has published in peer-reviewed journals" as an approval of their work, both in terms of grants, employment at universities, general "prestige" etc. When you can get utter crap published this easily everything obviously falls apart. How many of researchers doing science for a living are actually talented and are actually producing useful/meaningful work? Because if you aren't very good, there's always this escape of publishing their poor quality work in one of these journals, perpetuating their title as researchers/scientists and allowing them to make a living without any contribution to society.

    1. Re:The real issue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whilst "published in peer-reviewed journals" might have some impact upon the layman, universities, grant-awarding bodies and the like actually care /which/ journals you publish in. It's called "impact factor".

      Publishing in vanity journals tends to be the preserve of pseudo-scientists who bought a degree from a diploma mill and spend their life scamming the gullible. Mostly in the form of lending their name (and, uh, "reputation") to any garbage so long as someone is willing to pay them.

    2. Re:The real issue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Publishing in decent, but lower impact journals is already insufficient to make a career in most fields.

    3. Re:The real issue... by habig · · Score: 3, Interesting

      How many of researchers doing science for a living are actually talented and are actually producing useful/meaningful work? Because if you aren't very good, there's always this escape of publishing their poor quality work in one of these journals, perpetuating their title as researchers/scientists and allowing them to make a living without any contribution to society.

      Nope. If you're publishing only in crap journals, you're not getting jobs or grants, because the people giving out those grants and hiring people for jobs are generally not morons. If they are, they don't keep their ability to spend that money.

      So, to answer your question: if you're doing science for a living, you're probably producing meaningful work, or you're either a) not doing it for very long; or b) a really really good con man. I suspect the same is true for most fields. What's your field? How's it work there?

      Many people reading slahdot are coders. If someone came on here and broadly proclaimed "all code review is messing only with whitespace, no one really does it, therefore coders must all be frauds", would that fly?

    4. Re:The real issue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know lots of people (and employers) who are impressed by peer-"reviewed" publications, no matter what journal. Of course, other academics in the field might recognize the fraud journals but a general manager or the HR department in a big company are not. They also can't tell a good PhD from a bad one - the "PhD" means all. And yes you would think those companies would go out of business, but yet here we are :)

  20. Re: And yet you believe in global warning? by Brockmire · · Score: 1

    I whine about people who fail to use periods, making it difficult to follow whatever the fuck you were ranting about.

  21. You misunderstand by Brockmire · · Score: 1

    They're not Science Journals, they are Science Fiction journals.

    1. Re:You misunderstand by cellocgw · · Score: 1

      They're not Science Journals, they are Science Fiction journals.

      You take that back, RIGHT NOW!
      Signed,
      Gardner Dozois
      Donald Wollheim
      Terry Carr

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  22. Fraudulent Journals, not Peer Review failing by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    The view that "peer review is bullshit" is a simplified version of a commonly held view among professional scientists (I am one).

    What they did here has nothing to do with peer review. The take home point from this, and all the other similar examples like the other month's dog on the editorial board, is that there are fake journals out there claiming to be serious scientific publications which perform rigorous peer review but which are really there to con money out of young and/or naive scientists. Peer review may have its faults but this is not one of them.

    1. Re:Fraudulent Journals, not Peer Review failing by Goldsmith · · Score: 1

      Maybe you should read the article. The author is pretty clear that peer review practices are his focus here.

      The author actually got back four reviews. Two reviewers didn't catch that this was a joke, two did. The editor who handled the two reviews that caught the joke passed them right back to the author with a request to revise. Those aren't dog's doing this, those are scientists.

      You can call these journals "fake" or just acknowledge that low end journal editors and reviewers generally don't execute at a high level. In either case, these journals do have scientists working for them as editors and reviewers, but the expected outcomes don't align with what the process promises.

    2. Re:Fraudulent Journals, not Peer Review failing by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      If you catch it as a joke and submit a "revise and resubmit" request, that may be a formal politeness, rather than a willingness to publish a joke. Maybe. At least it doesn't explicitly smell of nonsense, as did the blind acceptance ones.

  23. Then you are thread-jacking by Brannon · · Score: 1

    Because this article is about fake journals, not about your [potentially legit] beef with real journals.

    It's intellectually dishonest to conflate the two. You're essentially saying that since you don't like how real journals direct research then they are no better than fake journals. That's a dangerous path to go down.

    1. Re:Then you are thread-jacking by Goldsmith · · Score: 1

      Did you read the article? The author never uses the words "fake journal," but he talks a lot about peer review. Two of the journals that did a real peer review of his "paper" didn't reject it. Editors passing peer review comments through without reading them, and reviewers doing a (very) cursory read of the paper are not uncommon issues in scientific publishing in real journals.

      Think for a minute about what "real" and "fake" mean when we're talking about journals. Two journals here got real reviews from scientists and didn't reject a clearly bad paper. That happens at real journals, even good journals. It's probably not what you think it is. Look at the editorial boards of some of these journals, go ahead and check to see if some of those professors list the journal affiliation on their CV. This is not a couple of scammers from outside of the scientific community.

      I'm not saying "science" is fake; I am a scientist. Nor do I want MORE public mistrust of science. I'm saying the pressures that result in these fake journals getting scientists to work for them, submit papers, pay high fees, and put forth low quality work are also driving most real scientific journals, and absolutely impact what we chose to work on (get funded to work on). To ignore that is dangerous.

  24. this story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did someone review it ?

  25. Re: And yet you believe in global warning? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And. What. Are. You. Ranting. About?

  26. I know a guy... by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 2

    Who used a similar system like this to "game" his way into a high-paying job at a large Fortune 500 company. He plagiarized several presentations on LDAP, self-published a few books, and even went out and got a patent on John Titor's "time machine". He purchased both his Masters and PhD from degree mills. He eventually ended up as a director at Oracle, until he got busted for drugging and raping four women in Portland. Someday I expect there to be a TV movie about him, it's quite a convoluted story.

    My point is, that with just a bit of money and loose ethics, someone can make themselves look quite credible.

  27. Re:And yet you believe in global warning? by ranton · · Score: 1

    And yet you believe in global warning? Really? You can believe this happens ONLY in these journals but you can be sold a bag of slick on global warming and pump out trillions of dollars to scammers??? Fools by any other name are ... idiots.

    On the contrary, this is another example of why consensus is important in determining what research findings laymen should trust. You can likely find a handful of published scientific papers to prove just about anything. This story shows you can probably just publish them yourself (like how Andrew Wakefield fueled the anti-vaxxer craze). 95% consensus is the same as 100% with a few kooks and paid off PhDs thrown in. When you see a 90%+ consensus among scientists and published research, believing it is false just because it is inconvenient is not wisdom. It's ignorance. Dangerous ignorance in the case of climate change denial.

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  28. Congratulations on successfully trolling us. by Brannon · · Score: 1

    You managed to get a number of us to respond and try to convince you that there's obviously a difference between real journals and fake journals, and you continue to deflect and speak gibberish. If you are a troll then congratulations, well done. If not, well then I'm sorry your paper got rejected and you're having trouble getting funding. Peer review does have its faults, but take some time and reflect and I think you'll find that those faults are completely different than those of predatory fake journals.

  29. Aggressive Stupidity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aggressive Stupidity can be profitable for them and amusing to us.

  30. Lucas McGeorge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's obviously fake! We all know the true name is Lucky McLucasface.

  31. May the Farce be with you... by LordHighExecutioner · · Score: 2

    This makes a good match with the well known Sokal affair!

  32. Chicken chicken chicken. by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

    Chicken chicken, chicken chicken chicken.
      Chicken.
      Chicken?
      Chicken!

    Chicken chicken chicken, chicken. Chicken?

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  33. Are you a reviewer for these journals? by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    Maybe you should read the article. The author is pretty clear that peer review practices are his focus here.

    Maybe you should engage your brain while reading the article. Whatever the author's stated focus was, what he showed is that there are fraudulent journals out there.

    In either case, these journals do have scientists working for them as editors and reviewers, but the expected outcomes don't align with what the process promises.

    I'm sure that's what they claim but the evidence pretty much conclusively shows that this is simply not true. You aren't, by any chance, a reviewer for one of these journals because you have seem to have taken the claims made by both the article and the journals completely at face value?

  34. Re:And yet you believe in global warning? by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

    Any time you see a group of scientists claiming consensus they are lying to you, and they know they are lying. It doesn't matter what they are talking about either. The only time that scientists go through the trouble to claim a consensus is when they are trying to mislead the public so that they can profit from that lie.

  35. Join that board! by martinfb · · Score: 1

    Join that editorial board and get some money for your troubles.
    Oh, an while there, please save the rest of us from unqualified postings!

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