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Adobe Announces that in 2020, Flash Player Will Reach Its 'End-of-Life' in Light of Newer Technologies (webkit.org)

Adobe said on Tuesday it will stop distributing and updating Flash Player at the end of 2020 and is encouraging web developers to migrate any existing Flash content to open standards. Apple is working with Adobe, industry partners, and developers to complete this transition. From a blog post: Apple users have been experiencing the web without Flash for some time. iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch never supported Flash. For the Mac, the transition from Flash began in 2010 when Flash was no longer pre-installed. Today, if users install Flash, it remains off by default. Safari requires explicit approval on each website before running the Flash plugin.
In a blog post, the company wrote: "Adobe has long played a leadership role in advancing interactivity and creative content -- from video, to games and more -- on the web. Where we've seen a need to push content and interactivity forward, we've innovated to meet those needs. Where a format didn't exist, we invented one -- such as with Flash and Shockwave. And over time, as the web evolved, these new formats were adopted by the community, in some cases formed the basis for open standards, and became an essential part of the web. But as open standards like HTML5, WebGL and WebAssembly have matured over the past several years, most now provide many of the capabilities and functionalities that plugins pioneered and have become a viable alternative for content on the web. Over time, we've seen helper apps evolve to become plugins, and more recently, have seen many of these plugin capabilities get incorporated into open web standards. Today, most browser vendors are integrating capabilities once provided by plugins directly into browsers and deprecating plugins. Given this progress, and in collaboration with several of our technology partners -- including Apple, Facebook, Google, Microsoft and Mozilla -- Adobe is planning to end-of-life Flash. Specifically, we will stop updating and distributing the Flash Player at the end of 2020 and encourage content creators to migrate any existing Flash content to these new open formats."

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  1. OMG! by intellitech · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hallelujah!

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    1. Re:OMG! by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

      I've had the opposite experience. I don't remember the last time I saw Flash anywhere.

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    2. Re:OMG! by omnichad · · Score: 4, Informative

      Kids love those games and won't accept PC's without them.

      Not if they've never seen the game before. I assure you that if you had the original .fla, the game would compile to HTML5/JS just fine in Adobe Animate. Or a reasonable facsimile could be recreated.

      Childhood is deprecated and by the time current kids reach 2020, they'll have otherwise the game.

    3. Re:OMG! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I've been hearing "Flash is dead" for a long time, but it still lives. For one, there's a lot of on-line games that are not practical or reliable in JavaScript/Html5 yet. Kids love those games and won't accept PC's without them.

      Their games will be okay. I hear the gnu version, gnash, is scheduled to be nearly 80% compatible with flash by 2020.

    4. Re: OMG! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Kids will accept whatever I decide to give them. Why do you let kids run your life?

    5. Re:OMG! by MBGMorden · · Score: 3, Informative

      Kids love those games and won't accept PC's without them.

      Kids will accept whatever they're given, because the alternative is nothing.

      That said - my 8 and 6 year old wouldn't even know what to do with a PC. Though they're quite comfortable using an iPad, they have no interest in using a traditional PC.

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    6. Re:OMG! by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      Actually this is a VERY sad day because what do we have to replace it that is actually BETTER than Flash......anyone? Beuller?

      HTML V5 is WORSE in every measure, it sucks more resources, uses more CPU cycles, uses a codec that is a minefield of patents, and has everyone forgotten the fact that DRM is now gonna be baked into browsers just to support HTML V5? I'm all for replacing Flash but with something BETTER than Flash, what we are gonna be getting? Is worse for everyone but big corps and big media who can use it to make sure video only plays on approved OSes on approved devices. Remember folks Adobe didn't give a shit, you weren't gonna be buried in lawsuits from Adobe like MPEG-LA, hell Adobe didn't even say boo about Gnash or distros including Flash in their default installs!

      Mark my words HTML V5 is a love letter to the big three (Apple,Google, MSFT) and if you think because Google uses a (GPL V2 only) Linux kernel means Linux will be allowed up to the table? Think again. Mark my words 5 years from now the day Flash died will be looked upon as a black day, a day we took one more big step towards turning PCs into corporate owned black boxes that become obsolete when the corp owners say it does.

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  2. When will MLB catch up? by FrankHaynes · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Maybe by 2040 or so Major League Baseball Advanced Media will finally ditch Flash Player for HTML5 to show baseball games. Believe it or not an outfit that is positively drowning in cash just can't be bothered to update their web players. Seriously!

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  3. Re:Hmm... by omnichad · · Score: 4, Informative

    No. They renamed the production suite to Animate because Flash wasn't the only supported output format, and they were already (almost certainly) planning to deprecate SWF.

  4. At long last! by Kergan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Now, if the many sites that still assume it's present and default to it over HTML5 could finally start working properly when Flash isn't available, the Internet will be a much better place. I'm looking at you [crappy TV news channel websites of your choice goes here].

  5. Dangerous Behaviours, Predictable Results by mfh · · Score: 2

    Most of what we need the internet for is being replaced and overshadowed by graphic-heavy bells & whistles. We could use the internet safely if we applied a more minimalist approach to design and if we standardized video or dynamic UI for the internet better than we are now.

    Ethics watchdogs need to step up and start really trying hard to break the current push for more javascript.

    The web browser should display a page that can be interacted with effectively and efficiently, without all the added bells & whistles, because those bells & whistles are often introduced to create security vectors for black hatters.

    Most people using the internet have limited safety understanding. Flash is one of those platforms that can seriously harm a computer if the Flash object is designed as malware. Couple this with the loose security in users still using IE that often utilizes ActiveX and the results are predictably negative.

    MSFT can try as much as they want but I'll never trust them very much and everything they release has to be combed through by teams of 3rd party security experts in order to protect their clients.

    Again, using Firefox & Noscript, coupled with a given user's paranoia, will prevent most malware type issues.

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    1. Re: Dangerous Behaviours, Predictable Results by nitehawk214 · · Score: 2

      Guess what AJAX stands for.

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    2. Re:Dangerous Behaviours, Predictable Results by Dog-Cow · · Score: 2

      Do you know what the J in AJAX stands for?

  6. I dread Jan 1, 2021 by Train0987 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The day they end support for Flash there will be millions of vulnerable PC's with Flash installed that will never be patched. We're still going to be dealing with Flash problems for years to come, there just won't be any more security patches. It'll be open season with all the 0-days.

    1. Re: I dread Jan 1, 2021 by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So, the same as the last decade or two then? That DOES seem like something about which we should be concerned. Has anybody alerted the media??!!

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    2. Re:I dread Jan 1, 2021 by Ramze · · Score: 2

      Will there really, though? By then, just about every Windows OS except Windows 10 will be End of Life, and the majority of people browse the web with Chrome which has flash built-in. By then, I suspect Firefox will mostly be gone and most will be on either Chrome or Edge -- both with built-in flash... which they'll simply disable permanently. Neither Android nor iOS support flash directly, and most browsers already have warnings for it and have content disabled by default -- with plans to remove the functionality altogether probably before then.

      It's the broken websites that I worry for -- like my stupid Charter Spectrum streaming TV website that requires both flash and silverlight of all things. But... they'll get the message rather quickly when it all stops working at once.

      I just really don't see people going back to Internet Explorer compatibility mode to get flash to work properly... or switching to Pale Moon or some other browser that hasn't ditched flash before then.

  7. The alternatives aren't really much better. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is a Pyrrhic victory at best. The alternatives often aren't any better, and in many ways are worse.

    At least with Flash we had the ability to just not install the plugin, or to remove it or disable it if it were installed, and then we wouldn't be forced to endure it.

    But that's not always the case with these built-in technologies. It's even worse with some of the JavaScript-based ones. It can become much harder, if not impossible, to separate "good" JavaScript from "unwanted" JavaScript for any given page. At least when Flash was used we could just block that part of a web page, without necessarily breaking the entire site. Having to dick around with an extension like NoScript to partially block scripts often doesn't work, especially when a site combines useful and unwanted JavaScript code into a single script.

    WebAssembly is particularly insidious. While minified or obfuscated JavaScript can be difficult enough to decipher, WASM's binary encoding makes it even harder to figure out what remotely-served code executing in the browser will actually try to do. It's like Java applets all over again.

    It's much the same for the embedded audio and video capabilities of modern browsers. They can be useful when they're wanted, but this also leaves them open to abuse (such as when used for advertising purposes).

    We've gone from getting screwed in one way to getting screwed in a slightly different way, and neither of these screwings feels good.

    1. Re:The alternatives aren't really much better. by gmack · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've had this problem solved for ages. I just use the Disable HTML5 autoplay plugin

    2. Re:The alternatives aren't really much better. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      Who the fuck said you had the right to read the code running on a website? Do you have that right for a PC game? I don't fucking think so.

      Well, In my country, I actually do. Both of them.

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  8. In its defense by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 2

    I was a Flash aficionado back in the early 2000s. Back then it was a good way to get something moving on your page or to provide a bit of interactivity. HTML 5 was some way off, iFrames were clunky, and JavaScript libraries like jQuery weren't very mature yet. Plus the player had a small footprint and was pretty widely installed on the browsers of the time. For a time it was a great way to deliver video.

    As a technology it was a decent stopgap measure IMHO but it was on borrowed time as open standards caught up. Not many slashdotters had anything positive to say about it because it was a closed standard, but I have fond memories of seeing what the future of the web looked like, even if it was implemented in a doomed technology.

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  9. Why so long? by QuietLagoon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Flash should be discontinued next year. OK, this year. :)

  10. Re:Gone in a ....... by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...long slow lingering undeath that will now be drawn out for another three years before the zombified corpse of a once ubiquitous application shudders to a halt, ekes out its last cry of "warning flash player is out of date" and collapses into a pile of dust. Was that what you had in mind because it seems to be what Adobe is planning?

  11. Why wait... by CharlesAKAChuck · · Score: 2

    2020 is a long time from now...

  12. Attention Major League Baseball, Pandora by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

    Update your damn websites.

    Both of you have iOS and Android apps which don't use Flash... so you apparently have (or know where to find) at least one or two people whose skill sets are less than a decade out of date.

    It's not a particularly hard problem... so what's the holdup?

    Sincerely,
    A Paying Customer

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  13. True "end of life" by TFlan91 · · Score: 2

    On Jan 1, 2021, they should send out an update that completely uninstalls and removes Flash, period.

    Nothing short of that matters, millions of computers will remain infected, millions of websites will continue to be exploited.

  14. Apple announced Flash dead in 2010 by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 3, Informative
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  15. VMWare by Zarhan · · Score: 2

    I hope VMWare gets it act together and comes up with some better technology for vCenter soon enough.

    I couldn't ever figure out why change the lean, relatively fast and responsive vSphere client to the flash-based mess. At least you can still do most things via vSphere but some need the web interface (e.g. vMotion where you move both the VM and the data in case the VM is stored on local drives).

    At least Cisco has gotten rid of it for their IMC modules (for some servers, not all).

  16. Is there truly a replacement for Flash? by Khashishi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm gonna miss the casual browser games with the sweet stylized graphics you only find in Flash games. What is the replacement easy to use programming and creation environment for artists?

    1. Re:Is there truly a replacement for Flash? by omnichad · · Score: 4, Informative

      What is the replacement easy to use programming and creation environment for artists?

      Open up the .fla file in Adobe Animate, go to the Command menu and choose "Convert to HTML5 Canvas from AS3 document formats"

      Debug a bit. Done.

  17. How to track down authors? by tepples · · Score: 2

    I assure you that if you had the original .fla, the game would compile to HTML5/JS just fine in Adobe Animate.

    What steps would the parent of the child who wants to play the game go about tracking down the author of the file in order to initiate conversion? And whose responsibility would it be to fund a month of access to Creative Cloud for each author whose works are affected?

    Or a reasonable facsimile could be recreated.

    Provided the author doesn't sue anyone whose "reasonable facsimile" becomes popular.

  18. Re:The cost of Creative Cloud by omnichad · · Score: 3, Informative

    Are these games in active development or something? Sign up for a 30-day trial, open / convert / save / done. Never touch it again.

    For new games, you can learn HTML/JS directly, and it's an open standard.

  19. Re:The cost of Creative Cloud by omnichad · · Score: 2

    Before CC, the Adobe trials wouldn't even let you use the save feature - I think the only watermarks were in video renders. I ran the current CC trial last year for 30 days and I was able to save with no problem and no visible watermarks in Photoshop and Illustrator. This is because you have to activate the trial with an Adobe account and the software won't function in trial mode until you do.

  20. Re:Native applications aren't static by mfh · · Score: 2

    I get a call from family members like the people you're describing and I always have to come up with an excuse as to why I can't fix their computer. Usually I just try to help them but only if they answer some questions quickly.

    I find that I can usually solve the problem by step 2, but I always send the questions to them via email so they can work it out.

    I find this helps even noob computer users to learn to fish.

    1. Can you summarize the problem in under ten words?
    2. Call me back when you can summarize the problem in under ten words.
    3. What did you do now?
    4. Why did you do that?
    5. What did you find when you googled the summarized ten word problem?
    6. Google it, call me back if it is still a problem in 1hr.

    Some internet users aggressively self-sabotage. You can't fix stupid, so you might as well be nice about it while you let them down gently.

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