Trump Says Apple's Tim Cook Has Promised Him He'd Build Three US Factories: 'Big, Big, Big' (cnbc.com)

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Trump Says Apple's Tim Cook Has Promised Him He'd Build Three US Factories: 'Big, Big, Big' (cnbc.com)

Posted by msmash on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @08:40AM from the major-development dept.

President Donald Trump said Tuesday that Apple CEO Tim Cook has committed to build three big manufacturing plants in the U.S., a surprising statement that would help fulfill his administration's economic goal of reviving American manufacturing. From a report: Apple CEO Tim Cook called Trump to share that the iPhone-maker would do more manufacturing domestically, Trump told WSJ. "I spoke to [Mr. Cook], he's promised me three big plants -- big, big, big," Trump was quoted as saying. Apple has already said that it would start a $1 billion fund to promote advanced manufacturing jobs in the United States. With its wide network of developers, Apple has already created two million jobs in the United States, according to Cook.

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grain of salt by gravewax · 2017-07-25 08:29 · Score: 4, Insightful

"Apple has already created two million jobs in the United States, according to Cook", and that just proves Cook is full of shit. If they are 3 plants like the 2 million jobs those plants will include the truck manufacturer that builds the trucks that deliver the phones to the stores, the ship builder that provides the transport from china and the building material manufacturers for their shiters.
1. Re:grain of salt by Goose+In+Orbit · 2017-07-25 08:29 · Score: 5, Funny
  
  ...and not one coal miner...
2. Re:grain of salt by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 08:39 · Score: 0
  
  Yeah considering than most Apple products are already created by Foxconn. I'd build 3 factories too if I have a guaranteed lessee for decades or more and hire everyone at $7.95 hour. Flush all employees ever 6-8 months. Buy them pizza for bonus. save $40.00 a device for shipping from China....NO F.U.C.K.I.N.G. B.R.A.I.N.E.R.....Moving on Bigly...What about those 1600 carriwer jobs you saved? oh just 200 for a transition on my taxes. D.I.A.F
3. Re:grain of salt by jellomizer · 2017-07-25 08:39 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  Well it was their fault making fun of the nerds in middle school.
  You piss me off, I automate your job away.
  
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4. Re:grain of salt by Penguinisto · 2017-07-25 08:47 · Score: 1
  
  He's likely counting developers who are not employees, but who write code for iOS and MacOS/OSX/whichever-this-week.
  (That used to be a thing, but honestly, ever since carbon.h came out way back in the day, you could write an app with C++ at its core and something Qt-ish for the UI, then cross-compile the same code to Macs and 'doze with not much effort. Not really sure if something similar could be done between iOS/Android, but given that most apps are what, just glorified web frames...?)
  
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5. Re:grain of salt by 93+Escort+Wagon · 2017-07-25 08:48 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  All higher-profile entities make these sorts of claims. Large companies like Apple or Boeing or Walmart; sports franchises; even public universities like the one which employs me - they all claim that their presence in a local economy adds tens of thousands of ancillary jobs and introduces millions or billions of additional dollars into the local and/or regional economy. Usually when they do it, they're lobbying for tax breaks ("we'll build our new factory here if")... but it is also perfect fodder for politicians.
  In my local (Puget Sound) area: Given the number of Seattle-area jobs, direct or ancillary, which are claimed to be due to the mere presence of Boeing, Amazon, U of W, etc. - I guess we're each unknowingly working full time at four or five places and spending hundreds of thousands of dollars every year. That's the only way the numbers could possibly work..
  
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6. Re:grain of salt by GLMDesigns · 2017-07-25 08:51 · Score: 3, Informative
  
  Does tech require steel? And how does one make steel? mmmm with coal.
  
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7. Re:grain of salt by sexconker · 2017-07-25 08:59 · Score: 1
  
  save $40.00 a device for shipping from China
  Uh...
  How many iPhones do you think fit in a shipping container?
8. Re:grain of salt by Captain+Splendid · 2017-07-25 09:00 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  And how does one make steel?
  
  One does it in China, so that the environmental problems aren't yours to deal with.
  
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9. Re:grain of salt by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 09:03 · Score: 0
  
  Even QT 5 makes it easy to deploy to iOS and Android as well now.
10. Re:grain of salt by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 09:10 · Score: 0
  
  "already created" 2 million jobs? apple, inc. themselves only has 116,000 employees worldwide. that must include the total u.s. employees of every company or retailer that sells apple products or some other bullshit made-up news like that.. including walmart's million+.
  no fucking way apple, inc. has 'created' 2 million jobs in this country. hell, they aren't even responsible for that many in china.
  this whole thing smells like some rotten fish pulled out of trump's moldy ass.
11. Re:grain of salt by SpammersAreScum · 2017-07-25 09:15 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  How true. Fortunately, China's air and water never crosses its borders. Oh, and any government or civil unrest caused by such problems never will either. (Ok, maybe there's an implied /s in your post just as there is one in mine.)
12. Re:grain of salt by GLMDesigns · 2017-07-25 09:18 · Score: 1
  
  lol. :)
  
  Yup. That's the answer.
  
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13. Re:grain of salt by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 09:22 · Score: 1
  
  ... and sheltered billions in US dollars in off-shore accounts to avoid paying taxes.
  Whoo hoo!
14. Re:grain of salt by fahrbot-bot · 2017-07-25 09:32 · Score: 4, Funny
  
  ...and not one coal miner...
  That may change when Apple releases the iPhone 10 Steam Punk Edition, which will actually run on coal.
  
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15. Re:grain of salt by DontBeAMoran · 2017-07-25 09:32 · Score: 1
  
  Have you seen the size of the latest iPhones?
  Sent from my iPhone 4.
  
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16. Re:grain of salt by Zaelath · 2017-07-25 10:15 · Score: 2
  
  70% according to the coal lobby https://www.worldcoal.org/coal...
  And even if you total "all other industrial" use of coal other than power, that's only 15% of the total coal being used in the US: https://www.eia.gov/totalenerg...
  The other 85% was to produce 1/3 of US power, and that use is on the slide.
  If you lose the power production, it won't even be economically viable to mine the 15%, it would be cheaper to buy it in from China.
17. Re: grain of salt by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 10:23 · Score: 0
  
  Developers developers developers developers...
18. Re:grain of salt by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 10:42 · Score: 0
  
  "With its wide network of developers, Apple has already created two million jobs in the United States, according to Cook"
  FTFY
  How far's your lie going now? Got any more misquote to show?
19. Re:grain of salt by supremebob · 2017-07-25 10:47 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  Unfortunately, most of the jobs that Apple actually "created" in the US recently are low paying retail and support jobs at their Apple Store locations. The number of new hardware and software Engineers that Apple hired are probably a small percentage of the real number.
20. Re: grain of salt by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 11:17 · Score: 0
  
  App store employees count.
21. Re:grain of salt by SeaFox · 2017-07-25 11:32 · Score: 1
  
  "already created" 2 million jobs? apple, inc. themselves only has 116,000 employees worldwide. that must include the total u.s. employees of every company or retailer that sells apple products or some other bullshit made-up news like that.. including walmart's million+.
  no fucking way apple, inc. has 'created' 2 million jobs in this country.
  Apple's taking credit for all the people involved in iOS development. So those developers and even support people simply answering user emails, getting their paycheck from a completely different company, are jobs Apple created, according to them.
22. Re:grain of salt by pointybits · 2017-07-25 11:51 · Score: 3, Informative
  
  This figure is itemised on the Apple site. Basically they're claiming every job that touches Apple in some way, e.g. the workers at Caterpillar that make the generators used in Apple's data centers. 1.5 million of them are "jobs created and supported by the App store", which is sourced from a report that uses a really broad definition of an App Economy worker and includes support workers and "spillover" jobs.
23. Re:grain of salt by crunchygranola · 2017-07-25 12:03 · Score: 2
  
  This is a common tactic for industries and big businesses -- claiming anyone that has any contact with their product in any capacity other than as a simple consumer has a job "created" by them. The American Petroleum Institute claims that oil companies employ 9.5 million people but everyone in any retail business that has a gas pump or sells oil off the shelf is one of those people. By the same token the farm lobby counts anyone who deals with any agricultural product is employed by "farming". So if you work in a 7-11 you are employed both by the petroleum industry and the farm industry (since both types of products are sold), and if they add Apple iPhone cables to their inventory, they would be employed by Apple too!
  
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24. Re:grain of salt by ClickOnThis · 2017-07-25 12:20 · Score: 0
  
  That may change when Apple releases the iPhone 10 Steam Punk Edition, which will actually run on coal.
  Wow. And I thought Samsung phones got too hot...
  
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25. Re:grain of salt by arglebargle_xiv · 2017-07-25 12:38 · Score: 2
  
  "Apple has already created two million jobs in the United States, according to Cook", and that just proves Cook is full of shit.
  No, it proves that Trump is full of shit. This came from Trump, not Cook. We have to see what Cook actually said, not what Trump said he said, before we can comment on it.
26. Re:grain of salt by Enigma2175 · 2017-07-25 13:15 · Score: 1
  
  The reply right above yours, posted 47 minutes before yours, has a link to the Apple site where they claim to have created 2 million jobs. This isn't a Trump number, it's an Apple number. It looks like they are counting the employees of any company that makes an IOS app as a job they created.
  
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27. Re:grain of salt by rtb61 · 2017-07-25 13:28 · Score: 1
  
  The government is in a position to enforce those claims by the simple expedient of secure by design rules. That design being all electronics in government must be produced in secured audited facilities to ensure security and sound requirement, that includes hardware and software. All required to be produced, where it can be inspected to ensure not trojan horses, either software or hardware. Those requirements can extend further into industry by mandating them for power generation.
  For security reasons it is extremely difficult to argue against, as the simplest component can be embedded with an extra bit that, say causes that component to become dysfunctional upon receipt of an encoding signal.
  Now, as a lot of security is just theatre to control the masses and to feed the war industrial complex, that demand cheap imports to inflate profits, confusion will reign supreme.
  
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28. Re:grain of salt by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 14:00 · Score: 0
  
  So basically they are both full of shit.
29. Re:grain of salt by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 14:03 · Score: 1, Informative
  
  I think it is typical of American's to delight in others misery
  If this is true, why isn't there a single word for it in English? And why IS there a word for it in German - "schadenfreude"?
30. Re:grain of salt by Voyager529 · 2017-07-25 14:55 · Score: 2
  
  Unfortunately, most of the jobs that Apple actually "created" in the US recently are low paying retail and support jobs at their Apple Store locations. The number of new hardware and software Engineers that Apple hired are probably a small percentage of the real number.
  You say this like it's a bad thing. Apple has its problems, but they do tend to pay measurably more than minimum wage. The non-engineers of the world need jobs as well, and "get a STEM degree" is unlikely to be a viable course of action for the overwhelming majority of them for no shortage of reasons. If Apple can provide gainful employment for those who don't have a master's degree in electrical engineering, and do so while keeping their customer satisfaction levels high and their profits up, then I fail to see who loses in that scenario.
31. Re: grain of salt by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 15:00 · Score: 0
  
  No, because coal is a cancer on the planet.
32. Re: grain of salt by PoopJuggler · 2017-07-25 15:02 · Score: 2
  
  Which taxes has Apple not paid that they are legally required to? Specifically.
33. Re: grain of salt by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 17:37 · Score: 0
  
  Stop with that bullshit. Everyone is pretty well aware of the taxes apple is trying to avoid paying.
34. Re:grain of salt by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 17:55 · Score: 2, Interesting
  
  And destroy the country...so you can become a billionaire who thinks slavery is flexible factory workers and has no idea what the difference is.
  Why should he/she care?
  You bullied then and are getting payback now.
  He/she was bullied then and is getting revenge now.
  Plus, getting rich at the expense of others is the very definition of success in the good old US, isn't it?
  Payback is a bitch, and so are you.
  Suck it up.
  (I am only partly joking. I leave is as an exercise for you to figure out which part it is. You will likely fail.)
35. Re:grain of salt by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 17:56 · Score: 0
  
  coal powered iphone. instant hit among the steampunk crowd. i say do it!
36. Re:grain of salt by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 17:59 · Score: 0
  
  make steel on the moon. i am a genius. and the sadness of the mooncoal miners will make great folk songs.
37. Re: grain of salt by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 19:44 · Score: 0
  
  Google: Apple Ireland back taxes. Apple won't pay US taxes because it pays taxes in the EU... but won't pay taxes in the EU because the US might demand they pay their share in the US.
38. Re:grain of salt by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 20:22 · Score: 0
  
  > With its wide network of developers, Apple has already created two million jobs in the United States, according to Cook.
  You've missed the most obvious explanation that's right in the quote: Cook is counting on people who live in the US and make money selling apps as Apple having "created [their] job"
  It's funny math, because app developers may already have a full time job doing something else, or they could outsource implementation to someone not in the US and just sell/market the app themselves.
  This is just posturing to make Apple look good and to help Trump (and avoid his wrath) who needs all the good press he can get.
39. Re: grain of salt by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 20:29 · Score: 0
  
  try the one in europe, where they illegally got deals in ireland to pay effectivly 0.5%
40. Re:grain of salt by lisaparratt · 2017-07-25 20:55 · Score: 2
  
  Other than epicaricacy, you mean?
41. Re:grain of salt by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 22:01 · Score: 0
  
  He's likely counting developers who are not employees, but who write code for iOS and MacOS/OSX/whichever-this-week.
  Well, that is a possibility.
  My first reaction when reading the headline was more along the lines of "Cook probable said nothing close to it but Trump decided want he wanted to have heard a couple of hours later."
  Trump isn't a credible source to what anyone said. The "article" lists a couple of previous statements from Apple but doesn't tie them up to anything tangible and there is no direct statement from Cook regarding this.
  I'm gonna call fake news until I see a press release from Apple.
42. Re:grain of salt by gtall · 2017-07-25 22:17 · Score: 1
  
  War industrial complex? Let's to some figures, shall we: U.S. GDP is roughly $19 Trillion. The U.S. DoD bill is roughly $700 Billion. Of that, about 1/2 is personnel costs. About 1/4 is upkeep on physical plant, electricity, fuel, etc. That leaves, putting it generously, about $200 for your "war industrial complex"...out of a $19 Trillion dollar economy. Wow! That's some "war industrial complex" you have there in your head.
43. Re:grain of salt by d.w.mitchell.55 · 2017-07-25 22:49 · Score: 1
  
  Mostly with Arc Furnaces these days. Coal is only needed when working with iron ore. Scrap steel is processed more efficiently in an arc furnace.
44. Re:grain of salt by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 23:50 · Score: 0
  
  Other than epicaricacy, you mean?
  Interesting... although the German word is more famous in English than the English word.
  I think that says something.
45. Re:grain of salt by someone1234 · 2017-07-25 23:56 · Score: 1
  
  Yep, coal mining on the Moon has a great future!
  
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46. Re:grain of salt by AmiMoJo · 2017-07-26 00:01 · Score: 1
  
  Strange, the report doesn't mention the millions of Apple internet shill jobs... Maybe they count as volunteers.
  
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47. Re:grain of salt by coofercat · 2017-07-26 00:35 · Score: 1
  
  Whenever Trump uses any superlative, he's essentially lying about it. "We're going to make the best golf course in the world" (or similar - can't be arsed to look it up) - not true.
  "Working on major Trade Deal with the United Kingdom. Could be very big & exciting. JOBS! The E.U. is very protectionist with the U.S. STOP!" - means "working on a small deal, which will probably fuck over as many people as it helps"
  "A big, beautiful wall" - well, I think we know how that one is going ;-)
  Trump-slagging aside, my point is, if he can do it, then why can't we all (Tim Cook included)? We're in the era of 'fake news', so just bluff your way as much as you need and let the fact checkers pour over your work at a later date.
48. Re:grain of salt by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-26 00:40 · Score: 0
  
  They are probably filed under "Other".
49. Re:grain of salt by GLMDesigns · 2017-07-26 00:43 · Score: 1
  
  Coal is becoming less and less profitable to produce power thanks to natural gas (fracking).
  
  For the most part the only coal that we truly "need" for the foreseeable future is to make steel. .
  
  Coal mines are independent of each other - miner extracts coal from coal seams and sends it to the steel mill. Economy of scale matters matters less here. (I'm not in the industry so this is speculation.) .
  
  I think we all want to see the end of coal. We're seeing it disappear for general power generation the only major use left is steel. Maybe one day one of the alternative methods will work. But we're talking about in the here and now: 2017.
  
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50. Re:grain of salt by GLMDesigns · 2017-07-26 00:46 · Score: 1
  
  Correct. But then we're already dealing with existing steel and not making new steel from iron ore.
  
  I'm not a fan of coal. I would like to see it gone for power generation and steel production. But for now we cannot make steel at an economical price without it. No steel. No cities. No train. No lots of things.
  
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51. Re:grain of salt by jbengt · 2017-07-26 01:33 · Score: 1
  
  I'm not a fan of coal. I would like to see it gone for power generation and steel production. But for now we cannot make steel at an economical price without it. No steel. No cities. No train. No lots of things.
  No coal, No steel, No problem: Just use carbon nano-tubes and graphite!
52. Re:grain of salt by torkus · 2017-07-26 02:04 · Score: 1
  
  I'm pretty sure he's talking about all the developers selling apps (or freemium apps) in the app store.
  With that said, Apple does have a large footprint. Shipping 100m iphones isn't something trucking wave off. Sourcing parts for said devices is a non-trivial task involving many people. Selling, supporting, etc. said devices, again, involves a lot of people. Add in the 3rd party repair shops, people selling related services, etc. and you DO have quite a few people
  I'd say most of those 2m jobs are still their app store developers but in the larger bucket, apple represents a non-trivial percentage of a lot of industries related to the products they sell.
  
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53. Re:grain of salt by apoc.famine · 2017-07-26 03:00 · Score: 1
  
  *organic, sustainable coal.
  
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54. Re:grain of salt by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-26 07:20 · Score: 0
  
  Big F'ing deal. He may well build the factories and create "X" number of jobs and then he'll cry that he can't find qualified Americans to do the work an fill the positions with H1B visa holders. So net gain to American's? ZERO!!!
  Trump promised to "overhaul or eliminate" the H1B visa program. All he's done to my knowledge so far is make the FUTURE visa "lotto" "merit-based". That doesn't help us who are unemployed NOW. AND, all that will happen is that the Indian placement agencies will make sure that the people they want to place all have advanced (but totally fake - paper only) degrees. Nobody on this side EVER verifies that these degrees are actually held or equivalent to the same degree in America. I support and voted for you but in this case I have to say - "thanks for nothing President Trump and Tim Cook."
55. Re:grain of salt by KingBenny · 2017-07-26 12:53 · Score: 1
  
  bag of salt ... so if they do that considering the wages your next iPhone will cost anywhere between 1500 and 3000 bucks ? well its a groupie thing anyway isnt it ... seeing is believing, millions of jobs huh ? in three factories ? thats REALLY big big BIG big big ... 20 years ago when i was putting plastic boxes in cardboard boxes 8 hours a night at 90% of the wage (since the state sponsoring required they give me education (which meant putting said boxes in boxes for three days by day before it was by night) there was like ... definitely less than 100 people there ... now the factory's actually gone ... theres just a storehouse which probably has about ... ten people in it ?
  seeing is believing, cook--san
  
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56. Re:grain of salt by rtb61 · 2017-07-26 20:13 · Score: 1
  
  GDP - gross domestic product, which is turnover and not profit. My mind boggles at the crazy idea that somehow you think taxes are paid on turnover rather than on profit. That is such war industrial complex thinking, just like demanding war spending by NATO the North American Territorial Occupation farce countries must be 2% of the nations GDP sounds so low doesn't. When you do the numbers and poke through a countries GDP to find out what the actually taxable profit was and how much actual tax was paid, all of a sudden that 2% of GDP becomes 20% to 30% of income taxes (especially taking into account offshoring profits where a countries GDP goes up but not one cent of tax is paid, whilst it's economy is strip minded of capital, typical of the majority of major US corporations as US parasites on it's vassal states with US occupational forces on hand to control 'er' protect those foreign governments). Lies upon lies upon lies to feed insatiable psychopathic greed.
  
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All 100% automated. by jellomizer · 2017-07-25 08:30 · Score: 4, Insightful

All these plants would be in 100% automated in States and Cities where they will be Tax exempt, which will be making B2B products so there is no sales tax.

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1. Re:All 100% automated. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 08:34 · Score: 0
  
  most likely it will be slightly worse than that as Apple will strike a deal for additional tax breaks or cheap land/power because they are bringing their business to the local city/state.
2. Re:All 100% automated. by perpenso · 2017-07-25 09:19 · Score: 1
  
  Yes there will be a high degree of automation. Even so there will be some jobs. Some dealing with phones, some dealing with the robots. But the equally important part is that a pile of money will stay in the US and contribute to domestic activity, not over seas activity.
3. Re:All 100% automated. by fustakrakich · 2017-07-25 09:48 · Score: 1
  
  B2B
  'Big to Big'?
  
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4. Re:All 100% automated. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 10:04 · Score: 0
  
  100% really fan boy so it is better to employ the Chinese than have your mythical factory be built in in america lol you tech people really hate the country you live in that's why you delight in expanding the unemployed.
  So maintenance of machines will be done by machines and machines will retool machines for new products i call BULLSHIT.
  Slavery is cool if it gets you your next toy.
5. Re:All 100% automated. by aitikin · 2017-07-25 11:24 · Score: 1
  
  But the equally important part is that a pile of money will stay in the US and contribute to domestic activity, not over seas activity.
  Who do you think you're talking about? Apple has over $250 billion in cash that they have pretty much purely horded. What makes you think they're going to suddenly start spending that money?
  
  Yes there will be a high degree of automation. Even so there will be some jobs. Some dealing with phones, some dealing with the robots.
  Yeah...that's not much in the way of employment and none of them are really manufacturing jobs which are what were promised. Hell, dealing with the robots hardly even qualifies as a blue collar type job as it's presumably far more tech oriented. And that assumes Apple doesn't outsource that aspect of their factory to already existing professionals.
  So, really, the only boon from this would be the construction (short term), the dozen phone operators that they'd need (remember, this is an internal business facility), the dozen plant supervisors they need on hand in case of a fire, and the freight trucks that are used to ship it (although, I don't know that that would be much of an increase vs Apple's current shipping with their partners there).
  
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6. Re:All 100% automated. by perpenso · 2017-07-25 15:02 · Score: 1
  
  But the equally important part is that a pile of money will stay in the US and contribute to domestic activity, not over seas activity.
  Who do you think you're talking about? Apple has over $250 billion in cash that they have pretty much purely horded. What makes you think they're going to suddenly start spending that money?
  I'm not referring to that money. I'm referring to the money that would otherwise be spent on overseas manufacturing and overseas shipping. In other words I'm pointing out that it makes an economic difference where activity takes places, domestically or overseas.
  
  Yes there will be a high degree of automation. Even so there will be some jobs. Some dealing with phones, some dealing with the robots.
  Yeah...that's not much in the way of employment and none of them are really manufacturing jobs which are what were promised.
  Not all jobs at a manufacturing plant are assembly, fabrication, etc; even back in the day. My grandfather "boiled the water" for the steam turbines that generated the electricity for the manufacturing plant. It was still a manufacturing job. People, and robots, who do fabrication and assembly need support.
  
  Hell, dealing with the robots hardly even qualifies as a blue collar type job as it's presumably far more tech oriented.
  My tour of Siemens in Germany suggests otherwise. Highly trained technicians are blue collar jobs.
  
  And that assumes Apple doesn't outsource that aspect of their factory to already existing professionals.
  A friend from college has a company supporting local automated manufacturing and packaging companies. He's very busy. He misses half of our occasional weekend get togethers, his wife and kids showing up without him, his wife explaining that something somewhere broke and they have to get the line up and running fast.. If another company came to him with an offer of additional work he would have to hire more employees.
  
  So, really, the only boon from this would be the construction (short term), the dozen phone operators that they'd need (remember, this is an internal business facility), the dozen plant supervisors they need on hand in case of a fire, and the freight trucks that are used to ship it (although, I don't know that that would be much of an increase vs Apple's current shipping with their partners there).
  The history of robotic and automation in Germany suggests otherwise, at least according to the folks at Siemens.
7. Re:All 100% automated. by rkordmaa · 2017-07-25 19:00 · Score: 1
  
  If you have a clue what a phone factory looks like you understand that these will not appear in US. Apple might build something else in US, but not phones. You can't get people in developed countries to work in these types of factories. In a developed country, its better to be unemployed than to do work like that. I would rather live under a bridge than waste my life sitting by a manufacturing line repeating the same damn motion year after year. And phone manufacturing is a hard thing to automate, you can automate many parts of it, but there is still a lot of manual labor that goes into putting a phone together and you can't get rid of it.
8. Re:All 100% automated. by perpenso · 2017-07-25 20:59 · Score: 1
  
  If you have a clue what a phone factory looks like you understand that these will not appear in US. Apple might build something else in US, but not phones.
  Actually I'm quite familiar with Apple's FoxConn factories. And no, Apple will not be replicating that approach in the US. In case you missed the previous comments in this thread and the subject line, any manufacturing Apple does in the US will likely be highly automated. What little they currently do in the US with respect to the Mac Pro (small production runs, high priced) is not likely to be an approach replicated in these new factories. Also keep in mind that these factories are *not* going to be supply the global supply chain like the Chinese factories. Apple is facing political pressure in various regions to build locally. They may have to open factories in India to make progress in that market and get past political and social barriers. They have to continue manufacturing in China for the Chinese market. And these US factories don't have to fulfill the complete demand for phones in the US.
  
  And phone manufacturing is a hard thing to automate, you can automate many parts of it, but there is still a lot of manual labor that goes into putting a phone together and you can't get rid of it.
  That is why Apple has been researching robotic disassembly in an effort to recycle materials. Disassembly is a step in the more complicated assembly direction.
9. Re: All 100% automated. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 21:07 · Score: 0
  
  Actually, America needs to redo our taxes, esp corporate. Far better to drop corporate taxes on products/services that are local made. All corporate taxes would then be only on foreign profits, with no tax breaks. Though the scale would then max out between 15-20%.
  However, to replace Corp. Taxes, a VAT is created of 17-20% that is applied to all goods/service that are locally consumed. In addition, it would include any parts/goods/service that is imported.
  The above approach is fairly similar to what most other nations do today.
  Windbourne (moderating).
And in unrelated news by Arkham · 2017-07-25 08:34 · Score: 3, Insightful

Trump is a fucking liar, so nothing he says can be taken as having anything to do with the truth.

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1. Re:And in unrelated news by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 08:51 · Score: 1
  
  Yeah of course, take everything he says with a grain of salt. More likely Cook said they would look into it, and Trump heard whatever he wanted to hear.
  The other option is this is a setup so when it doesn't happen he has a new person to bash once he's done flogging Jeff Sessions.
2. Re:And in unrelated news by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 09:08 · Score: 0
  
  Trump is a ... liar ...
  It may interest you to see The Singing Trump, with 4 men dressed as Secret Service Agents, on America's Got Talent. The Singing Trump says who he loves.
  
  In the 2nd song of that performance, see the laughing when he says, "Am I original?"
  
  Comment from one viewer: "This is [the] most original act I've seen on AGT and it's also [the] best comedy act on AGT in [a] long time."
  
  Watch the 1st audition. The judges and audience were shocked.
  
  Whether people like it or not, it definitely is political commentary.
3. Re:And in unrelated news by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 09:10 · Score: 0
  
  So by your logic if he said Obama is a US citizen then it means you believe that Obama isn't one...
4. Re:And in unrelated news by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 09:36 · Score: 0
  
  No. By his logic, Trump would never say such a thing.
5. Re: And in unrelated news by RazorSharp · 2017-07-25 09:55 · Score: 1
  
  Apple already planned to start manufacturing more in the U.S. Like many other companies that are pulling out of China, it most likely had to do with the increase in automation. Cheap Chinese labor isn't worth so much when you mainly employ robots. Not to mention the Chinese economy has matured and their currency is worth more than it used to, so that benefit is diminished as well.
  Furthermore, U.S. manufacturing is good PR, automated or not. Telling our doofus of a president about it is also a free way to get it all over the news and rake in sales from the half-wits who voted for him.
  
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6. Re:And in unrelated news by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 10:20 · Score: 0
  
  Except that he did, of course.
  Actually, ignore this. Clearly, Trump is Hitler, Killary is not a bloodthirsty wretch, all conservatives hatewomen, Obama was a great president, etc. etc.
7. Re:And in unrelated news by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 10:30 · Score: 0
  
  Trump is a fucking TRAITOR, big big big.
8. Re: And in unrelated news by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 10:52 · Score: 0
  
  Actually, Trump denied Obama's citizenship, and his faux-pology was so transparent that it reeked.
  I suppose you believe everything in the ClintonDeathList, that Conservatives didn't suggest a 12 year old should be forced to carry a pregnancy to term, and that Obama ruined the country by not invading Iran and Cuba.
9. Re:And in unrelated news by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 11:01 · Score: 0
  
  Insightful my ass - god this website sux.
  Replace Trump with Obama and this post (no less true) would've been buried into oblivion.
10. Re:And in unrelated news by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 11:58 · Score: 0
  
  "Vincit qui patitur"... you misspelled "Ad hominem".
11. Re:And in unrelated news by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 13:21 · Score: 0
  
  If it is a lie, I'm sure Cook will come out blasting. If not....
12. Re:And in unrelated news by HiThere · 2017-07-25 14:01 · Score: 1
  
  While your comment is true, that's not to say that corporations don't make fraudulent promises when angling for a tax or legal break. I can't tell which one is lying.
  
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13. Re:And in unrelated news by sit1963nz · 2017-07-25 14:20 · Score: 2
  
  Maybe Apple is going to get into the t-shirt business so Trump can fill the shops in his golf courses and hotels with stuff made in the USA instead of China.
  
  The shirts will come in
  Trump hands, small, regular , big, bigly, biglier, and bigliest
14. Re: And in unrelated news by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 15:01 · Score: 0
  
  Seemed a pretty sincere statement on Obama's certificate. I am not sure why you think it was a false apology.
  Already in 2008 it was pretty obvious to me that Obama was a stooge, in over his head. Remember how Sen. Obama voted on the illegal wiretap immunity for the telcos? (one of a few times he wasn't just "present"). But at least he got strong 'assroots: when I pointed this out, my slashdot account went from +2 to -1 overnight: Obamabots down-modded my every comment going back two weeks.
  As to what I believe... I believe Obama ruined the country by fostering identity politics and class hatred. He weakened our international standing by supporting the Arab Spring and other "moderate" Islamic terrorists.
  A nice guy, he could have done some good as an ACLU spokesman. As a president, he was a total fucking disaster. Doubling the national debt, spying on Americans, expanding the drones program, and using IRS to prosecute the Tea party... I don't blame him for Obamacare though, since he just rode the teleprompter. I do blame him for antagonizing our natural allies Israel and Russia, but at least the military-industrial faggits loved it.
  Regarding Iran, I have no opinion, but giving them 30 billion USD in cash and a nuclear "deal" last year sure wasn't impressive.
15. Re:And in unrelated news by zippthorne · 2017-07-25 15:35 · Score: 1
  
  I seem to recal some articles about Apple having had (speculative?) plans to create some kind of (highly automated) domestic factory since well before the election, so maybe President Trump didn't talk to Cook and simply was briefed on that? or read an article on that?
  
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16. Re: And in unrelated news by jbengt · 2017-07-26 01:45 · Score: 1
  
  Obama did not foster identity politics and class hatred. The current set of "Republicans" did, and they doubled down on it when a black man got elected president.
And the Jobs . . . by Slim+Boom · 2017-07-25 08:34 · Score: 1, Informative

Will all be filled by H1B Visa holders.
Trump bullshit alarm just went off by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 08:36 · Score: 0

Not sure if I have it set too sensitive.
How about bringing in the off shore cash pile? by mykepredko · 2017-07-25 08:39 · Score: 5, Insightful

Saying that you're going to make a "big" factory doesn't mean anything as it will be years of site selection, environmental impact reports, etc.
If Mr. Cook wanted Apple to show that they cared about the countries they do business in as well as make an immediate impact, they would stop offshoring their profits and pay taxes on them in the country they made the money.

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1. Re:How about bringing in the off shore cash pile? by MightyMartian · 2017-07-25 08:47 · Score: 5, Informative
  
  Not to mention that the factory will be heavily automated, meaning the number of jobs that it actually provides will be relatively insignificant. Trump made a lot of promises to blue collar workers that the march of technology render unkeepable. Even if somehow magically coal recovers, the number of people employed would be a fraction of the number employed a quarter century ago, and of course, coal isn't coming back, so it's really an academic question.
  It would be nice if a political candidate would go to a town hall meeting in the Rust Belt or in coal country and say "Look, I sympathize with you, and the loss of your jobs to other countries is a sad, but inevitable consequence of the changes of manufacturing that have occurred over the last thirty years. The fact is that even if new factories/mines are built tomorrow, the overwhelming majority of you will not be rehired, and it is likely that many of you who are currently employed will lose your jobs, or, at best, will retire and those positions deemed redundant. It's time to move on from a 20th century economy, and I commit to bringing economic development into your region, into job retraining, and making your lives more affordable."
  But no, all these regions get is a lot of blowhards shouting how somehow they have the magic power to turn back time (and it isn't just the Republicans).
  
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2. Re:How about bringing in the off shore cash pile? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 08:49 · Score: 0
  
  it will be years of site selection, environmental impact reports, etc.
  https://electrek.co/2017/03/23/tesla-gigafactory-aerial-picture/
  Three years into the project, Tesla’s Gigafactory 1 in Nevada is now more than 2 months into its first battery cell production.
  the world's biggest battery factory rose up from nothing in less than three years
3. Re:How about bringing in the off shore cash pile? by alongley · 2017-07-25 08:53 · Score: 0
  
  If Mr. Cook wanted Apple to show that they cared about the countries they do business in as well as make an immediate impact, they would stop offshoring their profits and pay taxes on them in the country they made the money.
  This doesn't make any sense to me. Apple doesn't offshore their profits; they make a profit selling their wares overseas (as well as at home). They now have a sizable amount of cash held overseas from profits made on those overseas sales that they have chosen, thus far, not to repatriate due to the taxes they'd have to pay on repatriating that profit, if the news reports are to be believed. So they have paid US taxes on US profit, but have not paid US taxes on profits made abroad (yet). If that's "offshoring profit" I would argue that that's just business. I think most international companies behave the same way. By the way, they also can't use that money in the US for R&D or dividends or whatever until they repatriate it, so it's not win-win. They'd like to repatriate the cash, they just don't NEED to in the current tax climate given the US profit they're already making. As far as I know they do pay taxes in the country they made the money in; the issue is the US taxes they'd have to pay. Now the Irish thing is different but related, I gather Ireland gave them a sweetheart tax deal that neither Ireland nor Apple is wanting to change, understandably. Since they're paying taxes in the countries where they make a profit they are having a mostly immediate impact to the treasuries in those countries (and the US).
  
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4. Re:How about bringing in the off shore cash pile? by Luthair · 2017-07-25 08:59 · Score: 2
  
  No, the way it works is they sell an offshore subsidiary their IP then their US corp pays royalties on the IP they license from the offshore subsidiary wiping out their profits in the US.
  One version of that scheme is Double Irish with a Dutch Sandwich
5. Re:How about bringing in the off shore cash pile? by Dragonslicer · 2017-07-25 09:18 · Score: 1
  
  Ugh, UI fail. This is definitely not Redundant.
  
  Here's a symbolic +1 Insightful.
6. Re:How about bringing in the off shore cash pile? by precisenz · 2017-07-25 09:37 · Score: 2
  
  Just how many iPhones do you think Ireland buys?!. Apple (and Google and Microsoft and every other large tech company... ) pay minimal tax in the countries they sell their products, via a series of tax setups & company structures that allow them to take the profits out of the country the money is made before it is considered "profit", to a country where less tax has to be paid. This isn't new - global corporations have been doing forever. Whats changed is that software & IP is a lot more valuable and easy to shift over borders & the numbers are now staggering so it gets noticed.
7. Re:How about bringing in the off shore cash pile? by Areyoukiddingme · 2017-07-25 09:40 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  If Mr. Cook wanted Apple to show that they cared about the countries they do business in as well as make an immediate impact, they would stop offshoring their profits and pay taxes on them in the country they made the money.
  This is Apple playing Trump. "Let us repatriate our hoarded cash for 0.01% tax and we'll build three factories in the US. Big big big! Pinky swear!" They get their money back into the States, having successfully robbed the US taxpayer, then drag their feet on the factories for three years until Trump is out of office, whereupon they shitcan the project. And Trump won't even notice, because Fox and Friends won't report it.
8. Re:How about bringing in the off shore cash pile? by imgod2u · 2017-07-25 09:44 · Score: 4, Interesting
  
  "So for example, I'm the only candidate which has a policy about how to bring economic opportunity using clean renewable energy as the key into coal country. Because we're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business, right?
  And we're going to make it clear that we don't want to forget those people. Those people labored in those mines for generations, losing their health, often losing their lives to turn on our lights and power our factories.
  Now we've got to move away from coal and all the other fossil fuels, but I don't want to move away from the people who did the best they could to produce the energy that we relied on."
  We had one. She lost.
9. Re:How about bringing in the off shore cash pile? by galabar · 2017-07-25 09:45 · Score: 1
  
  We could lower corporate taxes so that they don't feel the need to keep their money out of the US.
10. Re:How about bringing in the off shore cash pile? by tlhIngan · 2017-07-25 10:14 · Score: 1
  
  Just how many iPhones do you think Ireland buys?!. Apple (and Google and Microsoft and every other large tech company... ) pay minimal tax in the countries they sell their products, via a series of tax setups & company structures that allow them to take the profits out of the country the money is made before it is considered "profit", to a country where less tax has to be paid. This isn't new - global corporations have been doing forever. Whats changed is that software & IP is a lot more valuable and easy to shift over borders & the numbers are now staggering so it gets noticed.
  Ireland is special - it's treated as Europe as far as anyone is concerned. So all the Irish profits Apple makes are really Europe profits. Yes, Apple has a pile of cash outside the US, because it was legitimately earned outside the US - hell, even Apple realizes China is a bigger market than the US these days
  Sure they do the IP licensing thing, but they're not, because most of the IP is generated in the US, and they pay US wages for that (thus, the profit they make in the US goes into funding development in the US and they have to pay US taxes on it). Of course, this is only a quick move away - should something like anti-encryption laws get enacted, forcing the encryption and security parts
11. Re:How about bringing in the off shore cash pile? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 11:16 · Score: 0
  
  Big, big, big factory full of big, big, big robots :O
12. Re:How about bringing in the off shore cash pile? by l0n3s0m3phr34k · 2017-07-25 11:35 · Score: 1
  
  Per your link: "Due largely to international pressure and the publicity surrounding Google's and Apple's uses of the double Irish with a Dutch sandwich, the Irish finance minister, in the 2015 budget, passed measures to close the loopholes and effectively end the use of the double Irish with a Dutch sandwich for new tax plans. Companies with established structures will continue to benefit from the old system until 2020."
  
  Of course, they will come up with some other tax avoidance scheme by then. I'm surprised that several of these megacorps aren't secretly planning some "corporate moon colony" with the extra cash so they can completely "extract the wealth" from the planet.
13. Re:How about bringing in the off shore cash pile? by l0n3s0m3phr34k · 2017-07-25 11:39 · Score: 2
  
  A corp's primary goal is profit. Your idea would just become a "race to the bottom" going all the way to "zero corporate taxes", and then into the negative with various tax breaks. There are already several corps that manage to pay no income tax in 2015.
14. Re:How about bringing in the off shore cash pile? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 11:45 · Score: 0
  
  You mean say to people in coal country:
  
  So for example, I'm the only candidate which has a policy about how to bring economic opportunity using clean renewable energy as the key into coal country. Because we're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business, right?
  Which is exactly what Hillary Clinton said and look where it got her. Funny how everybody remembers the put a lot of coal miners out of a job and then forget about the let's move to new technologies.
  Cf. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/may/10/context-hillary-clintons-comments-about-coal-jobs/
15. Re:How about bringing in the off shore cash pile? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 14:07 · Score: 0
  
  Yes but apple is no Tesla.
16. Re:How about bringing in the off shore cash pile? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 14:15 · Score: 0
  
  "Because we're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business, right?"
  She lost because that's all anyone heard. That "we're" going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business. That they weren't going out of business anyway, that the coal industry wasn't dying due to increasing costs and cheaper alternatives, that all that was because of her policies, and that she knew it.
  It made it very easy for Trump to say "she's going to take away your jobs - she says so herself! I'm going to bring coal back again!"
  No one wants to be given "economic opportunity" in a new field if they don't need it. Hillary made it sound like she knew she was going to screw over a lot of people and had some vague consolation prize she was going to throw at them in order to make up for it.
  What she definitely did not say was that coal was going away, and there was nothing she or anyone else could do about that fact. And I don't know that she ever touched on manufacturing, but your example is about the coal industry, and instead of showing how she "understood the worker" is a great example of how bad Hillary was at conveying her message.
17. Re: How about bringing in the off shore cash pile? by PoopJuggler · 2017-07-25 15:07 · Score: 2
  
  Apple has not robbed the US, Congress has. Apple pays every bit of tax legally required of them. Blame Congress for the tax code that favors the rich (ie, themselves).
18. Re:How about bringing in the off shore cash pile? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-26 00:37 · Score: 0
  
  "Because we're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business, right?"
  She lost because that's all anyone heard.
  So much for the "liberal media". Not that we'll stop hearing that claim anytime soon, especially while the Rs have the opportunity to blame the media for Trump being a dumbass.
19. Re:How about bringing in the off shore cash pile? by imgod2u · 2017-07-26 04:42 · Score: 1
  
  If that's what you understood from that quote (and I'll grant you the words were poorly chosen) you may need to brush up on reading comprehension. It seems pretty obvious "we" is America in that context.
  Which basically translates into exactly what you said. Only not spelled out excessively so even the most drooling idiot could understand.
20. Re:How about bringing in the off shore cash pile? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-26 20:01 · Score: 0
  
  Apple? Apple? Hmmmmm, Apple?
  Oh, yeah, isn't Apple that Irish company that does a lot of high end electronics?
americans love trump man by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 08:39 · Score: 0

whenever i ask my dad he just shouts trump! trump! trump! over and over again - they're both really great people eh americans?
And what he isn't telling you is that... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 08:40 · Score: 0

The parts will still be manufactured in buckfuck nowhere but assembled in these really expensive factories while also barely paying those people and trying to justify "American made" as more expensive. The iPhone price just doubled.
Cook lied for many years about being gay... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 08:40 · Score: 0

before he finally admitted to it, so I wouldn't trust his kind. He is a proven liar.
1. Re: Cook lied for many years about being gay... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 08:42 · Score: 0
  
  The fact it took so long to admit the truth is proof Cook is a damn liar.
2. Re: Cook lied for many years about being gay... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 12:45 · Score: 0
  
  He uses men as women which proves he isn't that smart.
2 million jobs? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 08:40 · Score: 2, Informative

Right Timmy, time to go back to school and learn some basic number crunching.
These plants, after construction and a temporary surge of a few 100 jobs during said construction, will employ maybe a couple dozen people across all their plants.
GO TRUMP!!!! Clueless idiot
1. Re:2 million jobs? by jellomizer · 2017-07-25 08:45 · Score: 1
  
  The plant will be cloning Steve Jobs.... What is the problem?
  
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2. Re:2 million jobs? by cmdr_klarg · 2017-07-26 01:58 · Score: 1
  
  GO TRUMP!!!!
  Take Pence, DeVos, and Mnuchin with you!
  
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Can you say Carrier and Indiana? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 08:46 · Score: 1, Insightful

Thought so.
Same lie, different day. Nothing to see here. Move along
MS shut down Surface plant by fermion · 2017-07-25 08:47 · Score: 1

$20,000 surface hub. Should have been profitable. Sales were enourmous. Hundres(s) of jobs lost. Likely went to china.
Lack of Manufacturing in the US has more to do with workers wanting 8 hour days, lots of time off, and high pay. Nothing wrong with that, just hard to compete when they can get cushy office jobs at the same pay. Immigrants can do it, as they do with meat packing, but when hire immigrants here when you can hire them cheaper at home? Which is why Trump makes so much stuff in Mexico.

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1. Re:MS shut down Surface plant by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 09:14 · Score: 0
  
  Lack of Manufacturing in the US has more to do with workers wanting 8 hour days, lots of time off, and high pay. quote>
  A bigger issue is we exported all of these jobs because we told kids for the last 40 years or so that blue collar jobs were a dead end and you would be looked down on if you did that kind of work.
2. Re:MS shut down Surface plant by l0n3s0m3phr34k · 2017-07-25 11:43 · Score: 2
  
  Per that logic, Europe must have no manufacturing at all, right? Because the average EU worker has 2x vacation and takes 300+ more hours off than the US.
That sounds great but... by Gravis+Zero · 2017-07-25 08:48 · Score: 1

how long until people start throwing themselves off the roof? ;)

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1. Re:That sounds great but... by freeze128 · 2017-07-25 08:53 · Score: 2
  
  If the factories are made by Apple, then the buildings will have tractor beams to catch the falling workers.
2. Re:That sounds great but... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 14:18 · Score: 0
  
  Will probably take apple about 1 year to copy Samsungs tractor beam so that sounds about right.
Apple will have gone the way of Palm and RIM ... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 08:51 · Score: 0

... long before a shovel hits the dirt.
Trump is a child by linuxguy · 2017-07-25 08:54 · Score: 4, Informative

Everything good. He deserves the credit. Everything bad. Obama's fault.
"big big big"
1. Re:Trump is a child by wonkey_monkey · 2017-07-25 09:06 · Score: 5, Funny
  
  What I love is how in every shot I've seen of him either walking to or from a helicopter, he claps his hands together as if his (not very) inner toddler is going "Yaaay, hewicoptah!"
  
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2. Re:Trump is a child by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 09:45 · Score: 2, Insightful
  
  Don't forget Hillary. All politics aside, the "man" is just an overgrown man-child, who throws tantrums whenever he doesn't get his way, constantly whines about how unfair everything is, and is so convinced that he's a "winner" who succeeds at everything he does, nothing that goes wrong is ever his fault. It's either some mess he inherited from Obama, or Hillary is the real criminal everyone should be looking at, or the Republicans in Congress who are not doing enough. Whatever it is, there's always some kind of external force at work, it's never him.
  The really sad thing is the stories that come out about how the people who prepare the intelligence briefings -- very important stuff for a President -- have learned they need to find ways to put Trump's name into the briefing so he'll keep reading.
  Trump is someone who's had pretty much everything handed to him his whole life, and he seems to have had this idea in his head that the POTUS was some sort of autocrat a la Putin. Now that he's starting to learn the hard way that he can't just threaten to fire any member of Congress who doesn't go along with his agenda, like he could in the private world, he throws tantrums like a spoiled brat toddler.
3. Re: Trump is a child by Zero__Kelvin · 2017-07-25 10:35 · Score: 1
  
  He loves to show how he's "got all the best words". "What words should I use to say it isn't just big?". Oh, I know, stack 3 "bigs" ... That's our Sex Offender in Chief!
  
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4. Re:Trump is a child by blindseer · 2017-07-25 12:20 · Score: 1
  
  Pretty sure it's Bush's fault. Worked for Obama, didn't it?
  
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5. Re:Trump is a child by linuxguy · 2017-07-25 14:17 · Score: 2
  
  "Pretty sure it's Bush's fault. Worked for Obama, didn't it?"
  Do you remember Obama constantly acting like a vindictive child?
  Me neither.
6. Re: Trump is a child by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 19:19 · Score: 0
  
  So you're saying your candidates were so crooked evil murdering hateful and unelectable... they lost to a child.
7. Re: Trump is a child by Zero__Kelvin · 2017-07-25 20:48 · Score: 1
  
  Hi Tiny Fingers! (Or should I say Tiny, Tiny, Tiny Fingers?)
  
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8. Re:Trump is a child by MoarSauce123 · 2017-07-25 23:18 · Score: 1
  
  Actually, it is Reagan's fault. His economic policies were so massively destructive that the US lost the lead in many areas. Trump employing the same approach makes it only worse.
9. Re:Trump is a child by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 23:26 · Score: 0
  
  It's not just the helicopter. Every time he walks in front of a crowd that's cheering, he starts clapping for himself. It's weird. It's like he's constantly applauding himself.
10. Re:Trump is a child by painandgreed · 2017-07-26 03:25 · Score: 1
  
  Do you remember Obama constantly acting like a vindictive child?
  Me neither.
  Well, coming from Trump country, I can tell you that the people there think that is because Obama was just putting up a fake front of a con man. Trump however is just telling it how it is because that's what they would want to say. Read into that what you will.
so 6 people will be employed in the US by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 08:56 · Score: 0

With all the automation there are going to only 2 people employed per factory.
#1 the person who checks the light is green
#2 the person who manages the person who checks the light is green and calls support if it is not
1. Re:so 6 people will be employed in the US by Hognoxious · 2017-07-25 11:20 · Score: 1
  
  Nah. A man and a dog.
  The dog's job is to bit the man if he touches the controls.
  The man's job is to open the cans of dog food.
  
  --
  Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
If they do hire American workers by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 08:57 · Score: 0

Get ready for the $3,000 iPhones!
You appear to be the liar here... apk by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 09:04 · Score: 0, Funny

See subject: From Roger Stone's site it seems Trump's doing a great job on many fronts listed here https://stonecoldtruth.com/despite-continuous-attacks-trump-getting-the-job-done/ with reputable sources.
* Go back to your employer George Soros & ask for MORE MONEY, ok?
APK
P.S.=> As to that last statement? Here's the proof of THAT also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E8kW37Kr4Y/ as he funds groups like BLM, Antifa, Open Society Foundation & MANY others to try achieve his stated goal of BREAKING the USA (as he says he is a "god", whacko old LOON that he is)... apk
1. Re:You appear to be the liar here... apk by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 09:16 · Score: 0
  
  $50 says you have one of those "truth" websites that look like a serial killer set it up. I HAVE THE TRUTH! The left are LIARS! I have proof, click here for the DETAILS.
  Is this your site also: http://www.thebeatlesneverexisted.com/
  What a fucking whack job you are.
2. Re:You appear to be the liar here... apk by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 09:22 · Score: 0
  
  Stone's very respected. You're not. Go ask Soros for more money. Doubt you will get it. You are not doing a good job lying.
3. Re:You appear to be the liar here... apk by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 09:45 · Score: 0
  
  *sigh*
  I took a glance at that and it seems to be:
  A) Giving him credit for certain things that there doesn't seem to be alot of evidence he deserves credit for.
  B) Taking things out of context
  C) Doesnt correlate each claim with the source, it just makes a bunch of claims and plops some hyperlinks at the bottom, so if you want to call something into question you have to search ALL the sources.
  D) mixes reputable and disreputable sources.
  E) Obviously is biased.
  Here is one example:
  The claim that Trump has passed more laws in 100 days then any other president... OK... Well. Lets see in 100 days hes signed 15 reversing Obama's regulations, 14 "ceremonial or routine" bills, 5 Bureaucratic changes, 4 science bills, and 4 vet bills.
  Most of those passed congress with little to no opposition, purely because they were MINOR. Anyways is it a big thing to be championing that you have enacted more laws then anyone else. I thought we wanted fewer...
  Here in another example.
  They give him credit for putting a supreme court justice into place.. Umm because republicans stold that from his predecessor.
  I could go on, but im not going to argue with you APK. Why dont you go back to host files. You were actually less crazy when you talked about that.
4. Re:You appear to be the liar here... apk by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 09:59 · Score: 0
  
  "You are not doing a good job lying."
  But Stone is, and he'll get his money for sure.
5. Re:You appear to be the liar here... apk by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 10:24 · Score: 0
  
  WOW that some proof i don't think he was talking about the Beatles LOL so your point is Trump has not done anything yet? go back to CNN and watch more Russia coverage.
6. Re:You appear to be the liar here... apk by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 10:31 · Score: 0
  
  "Stone's very respected" Lol you're a fucking moron.
7. Re:You appear to be the liar here... apk by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 10:56 · Score: 0
  
  Prove Roger Stone's lying. Burden of proof's on you. You'll run just like his detractors have when he asked for public debate.
8. Re:You appear to be the liar here... apk by fredrated · 2017-07-25 16:52 · Score: 1
  
  A list of trivialities, most actually due to Obama since Trump hasn't done anything that makes a difference.
9. Re:You appear to be the liar here... apk by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-26 04:39 · Score: 0
  
  You mean Obama's robbing Fannie and Freddie illegally to fund his failed Obamacare?
Many Apple phones shipped by air ... by perpenso · 2017-07-25 09:06 · Score: 1

save $40.00 a device for shipping from China
Uh... How many iPhones do you think fit in a shipping container?
Online orders seem to ship by air. You can follow your phone online as it moves from China to Alaska to the lower 48, assuming you are in the lower 48.
Tim did promise 3 plants. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 09:10 · Score: 3, Funny

He really meant azaleas. Those things can get huge!
1. Re:Tim did promise 3 plants. by avandesande · 2017-07-25 10:47 · Score: 1
  
  He was also going to open a Canary, but it PETA got wind of that so they nixed the idea...
  
  --
  love is just extroverted narcissism
the insanity! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 09:13 · Score: 0

Hiring a few hundred thousand programmers, engineers, and high-paid white collared employees: who cares!
Hiring a couple thousand modestly paid blue-collared workers: MAGA!
Don't count your factories until they're built by interdyne · 2017-07-25 09:18 · Score: 2

Trump has a way of jumping to conclusions, saying things out of context and lying. I'll be a lot more convinced this is happening when Apple says it is. They have economic incentive to build their heavier products here in the US like the Mac Pro and CTO iMacs. How many more heavy products that can and will build in the US, that remains to be seen.
"Trump says..." Stopped reading there by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 09:25 · Score: 2, Insightful

To say that he has a... "casual acquaintance with truth and reality" is an understatement.
If that gang of sociopaths tell you it's July and the sky is blue, begin to doubt the existence of seasons and colors.
1. Re:"Trump says..." Stopped reading there by ClickOnThis · 2017-07-25 12:33 · Score: 1
  
  To say that he has a... "casual acquaintance with truth and reality" is an understatement.
  If that gang of sociopaths tell you it's July and the sky is blue, begin to doubt the existence of seasons and colors.
  You can say that again.
  
  --
  If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
Everywhere jobs but not a drop for the uneducated by Annatar22 · 2017-07-25 09:31 · Score: 1

So Trump's supporters think this is keeping his promise? Most of these factories will be heavily automated. The 'manufacturing' jobs are not going to go to struggling Joe-Blow the former coal miner, or laid off steel worker. They are highly technical jobs requiring education and training none of these guys possess. More often than not this will likely go to even more H1B visa holders, rather than the folks who are holding Trump up like some kind of champion to the common working man. Maybe we get a few more jobs cleaning toilets, but since those tend to get contracted out to service companies with somewhat shady hiring practices I'm still not seeing a net gain.

At the end of the day they're still struggling, but I guess Trump gets to check off that box.
USA is a country, not a business by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 09:35 · Score: 0

The President of a country of 300 million people must think of a bigger picture than that of individual factories
Trump has risen above his ceiling. He's running the country like it's a business.
BOARD THE TRUMP TRAIN! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 09:42 · Score: 0

Choo! Choo! Choo!
This train has NO BRAKES!
We are creating jobs BIG LEAGUE!
TRUMP 2020!
1. Re:BOARD THE TRUMP TRAIN! by MoarSauce123 · 2017-07-25 23:15 · Score: 1
  
  Where? The coal miners in PA who elected Trump are still waiting on getting their jobs back that Reagonomics eliminated. Maybe they stay naive and vote Trump again.
Giant Caveat! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 09:48 · Score: 0

Entertaining the thought that this was even discussed....
I'm betting the giant grain of salt with this whole idea, is that the 3 new factories, will be entirely composed of robots.
The only humans involved would be to build the damn things, and pick up shipping.
Prove YOUR statements then... apk by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 09:49 · Score: 0

See subject: Who do you credit your A-E to then? Call me crazy but all you are is hot air with no substance behind it.
* I provided a VERY RESPECTED source (2 actually) - have you? No.
APK
P.S.=> This is no argument when you, my opponent, says a lot of things w/ no valid backing or substance - you have no 'argument'... apk
Caveat Emptor by WillAffleckUW · 2017-07-25 10:20 · Score: 2, Insightful

Look, the guy has a track record of lying. Like 90-95 percent of the time.
Best case scenario is 1/20th the jobs show up and 2/3 of the plants are in Mexico and Canada, and the American plant is actually located in a US Possession or Protectorate but not actually in the US itself.

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-- Tigger warning: This post may contain tiggers! --
iPhone Trump by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 10:32 · Score: 0

Tim Cook has announced has announced the iPhone Trump:
- heavy duty gold case
- ten inch screen
- 2 weeks battery life
- HUUUGE Twitter icon
- Putin on speed-dial
- free! Mexico will pay
Sadly will never be delivered. Cook will blame the board's lack of vision.
PHD required pay 45K by Joe_Dragon · 2017-07-25 10:35 · Score: 0

PHD required pay 45K and 50-60 hours a week. (but we will take an H1B with an fake PHD)
Argue w/ these facts from his site by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 10:58 · Score: 1

Roger Stone is a seasoned political operative, speaker, pundit, and New York Times Bestselling Author featured in the Netflix documentary "Get me Roger Stone". A veteran of ten national presidential campaigns, he served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents: Nixon, Reagan and, to his regret, Bush. An outspoken libertarian, he is the author of the New York Times bestseller âoeThe Man Who Killed Kennedy: The Case Against LBJâ, the Clinton's War on Women, The Bush Crime Family, and the Making of the President 2016- How Donald Trump Orchestrated a Revolution. Mr. Stone has written for Fox Opinion, Infowars, Breitbart News, StoneZone, the Daily Caller, and the New York Times. A well-known voice in politics for over forty years, Roger Stone often gives insights on behind-the-scenes political agendas at StoneColdTruth.com and StoneZone.com, as well as InfoWars.com, where he hosts an hour long show every Wednesday at 3 pm ET. Follow him at StoneColdTruth.com.
A{Roger Stone is a seasoned political operative, speaker, pundit, and New York Times Bestselling Author featured in the Netflix documentary "Get me Roger Stone". A veteran of ten national presidential campaigns, he served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents: Nixon, Reagan and, to his regret, Bush. An outspoken libertarian, he is the author of the New York Times bestseller âoeThe Man Who Killed Kennedy: The Case Against LBJâ, the Clinton's War on Women, The Bush Crime Family, and the Making of the President 2016- How Donald Trump Orchestrated a Revolution. Mr. Stone has written for Fox Opinion, Infowars, Breitbart News, StoneZone, the Daily Caller, and the New York Times. A well-known voice in politics for over forty years, Roger Stone often gives insights on behind-the-scenes political agendas at StoneColdTruth.com and StoneZone.com, as well as InfoWars.com, where he hosts an hour long show every Wednesday at 3 pm ET. Follow him at StoneColdTruth.com.
APK
P.S.=> We'll SEE who the MORON is here, you moron... apk
1. Re:Argue w/ these facts from his site by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 11:14 · Score: 0
  
  You are.
  And Roger Stone obviously is a fucking moron but you are also right up there in complete fucking raving stupid moron
this is where APPY APP dude fits in... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 11:14 · Score: 0

They didn't say GOOD jobs.
How many people have an app in their store( with at least one sale - to be generous) ?
/.ers disagree you unidentifiable ac moron by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 11:36 · Score: 0

I'm going to continue using the Host File Engine. Your software is well written, functional. The Host File Engine performs exactly as promised by mmell

his hosts program is actually pretty good by xenotransplant

his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources by alexgieg

I've never tried to belittle (APK's) work, I've flat out said it's good by BronsCon

APK is kinda right. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works by bmo

I like your host file system by Karmashock

I find your hosts file admirable by vel-ex-tech

APK your posts on this and the hosts file posts, and more, have never been in error and/or bad advice by BlueStrat

* My code's recommended & hosted by Malwarebytes' hpHosts!
APK
P.S.=> See quoted /.ers above & I knew you'd have nothing more than your foaming at the mouth... apk
1. Re:/.ers disagree you unidentifiable ac moron by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-26 01:58 · Score: 0
  
  APK what you do is spamming.
  At best you are off topic and it is fun to watch as you fall back to your trivial little toy program to show your supposed greatness which only makes you look the fool even more.
  Your hosts file engine is bloated overly complex crapware.
  It doesn't need a GUI, it doesn't need to be multi threaded.
  Yes it is trivial as anyone with basic scripting knowledge could crank it out in a few of hours.
  You are proud of work that is a throwaway class project.
  The same applies to your defrag program, again a trivial throwaway program.
  Then there is your out of date placebo level of protection advice you push.
  Your ability to wander off to your hosts file shows how much of a raving moron your are as no one brought up your trivial throwaway work.
  It must be hard being proven to be an idiot every time you post, but alas you still proclaim that you won.
  APK, just because you keep saying something doesn't make it true.
2 million jobs by manu0601 · 2017-07-25 12:44 · Score: 1

I assume Tim Cook refers to 2 million developers of third party apps? How many of them can pay the bills with that?
I'll be willing to bet... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 13:28 · Score: 0

I'll bet Timmy Cook fills those factories with H1B Visa and other non-americans as he lines his wallet with stock options.
He may be dumb but he's not stupid. Look at how many watch bands he's selling.
Hey by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 18:37 · Score: 0

https://youtu.be/YlSNC6eTjfY
And what will they manufacture here? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 22:52 · Score: 0

The new Apple iCovfefe: I have no idea what it does, but I want one, dammit.
1. Re:And what will they manufacture here? by MoarSauce123 · 2017-07-25 23:12 · Score: 1
  
  That will be 799$ with a three year contract.
Did Cook tell Trump also... by MoarSauce123 · 2017-07-25 23:11 · Score: 1

....that he is holding it wrong? US factories? That would cut into the piggish profit margin! Aside from that, Trump should make his clothing stuff in US factories first rather than rely on Chinese sweat shops....yes, yes, I know, he has no longer a say in Trump Enterprises *cough*
Re:Everywhere jobs but not a drop for the uneducat by MoarSauce123 · 2017-07-25 23:16 · Score: 1

The uneducated get added to the White House science staff or get a cushy job as Republican Senator. Having inherited rich like Trump does help.
he's promised me three big plants by dcarmi · 2017-07-25 23:34 · Score: 2

A couple of Aspidistras and a lovely Bamboo.
So? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 23:38 · Score: 1

Wow, amazing. So we ship off all of the knowledge jobs overseas and turn ourselves into third world physical labor and manufacturing and assembly plants again. Way to go, America!
uge by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-25 23:48 · Score: 0

They're gonna be UGE
Prove you have stopped sucking moose cock by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-26 01:01 · Score: 0

Prove you have stopped sucking moose cock APK.

That is right you can't because you have one half way down your throat now.

You just love it too much

You would be one to complain about other saying a lot of things with no valid backing or substance as that is all you do.
Laughable... by Timothy2.0 · 2017-07-26 01:24 · Score: 1

Cook taking credit for 2 million developers just shows you a) how easy it is to manipulate Trump, and b) well...see a).

If I develop an iPhone app, some worthless game I sell for a pittance, I'm technically part of that "2 million developers" group. How many of those people are earning a wage comparable to industry standard? How many of those are hobbyists and dabblers? If Cook's going to make a claim of creating 2 million jobs, then let's look at the wages/salaries of those jobs.

So Cook's slated $1 billion to promote manufacturing jobs in the US...Foxconn spent $2.6 billion building *a single factory* to support its work for Apple. To suggest Cook's going to whip out the checkbook to build three factories *just* to provide Americans with jobs is a slap in the face to the shareholders who demand an uptick in the share price and low wages in China to push up profits and dividends.
Claim your shit APK by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-26 01:27 · Score: 0

APK just claim your shit.

Everyone knows it is you

Maybe if you had an actual account, but you are too chicken shit to get one you whiny little baby

Also Prove you have stopped sucking moose dick

Slash dot users demand proof that you have given up your deviant ways.
1. Re:Claim your shit APK by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-27 01:55 · Score: 0
  
  Claim yours you hypocrite unidentifiable anonymous troll. You can't prove Roger Stone's page points wrong either loser.
I don't see you doing better... apk by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-26 03:01 · Score: 0

See subject & https://apple.slashdot.org/com... . It's my code from scratch & it works (unlike your non-existent hot-air talk) in a single one piece non-interpreted & non-script .exe that's GUI, multithreaded (so you can do data gather/sort/dedup/filter & reverse DNS @ the same time on 8 separate threads simultaneously).
* You're welcome to do better but I strongly suspect you can't & don't possess the skills to do so yourself by hand/from scratch as I have.
(What's in that link above isn't spam. It's fact & it shuts you down with EASE every single time... lol!)
APK
P.S.=> I didn't do the saying in that link above - /.ers did (which is more than you can show for yourself as you HIDE behind UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous troll posts you "ne'er-do-well" blowhard)... apk
Projecting your issues onto me again? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-07-27 02:16 · Score: 0

See subject: I also see I SHUT YOU DOWN EASILY using facts you can't prove wrong here https://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10909215&cid=54877391/ hahahahahaha, you ignorant little shit...
APK
P.S.=> It's terribly easy showing everyone how STUPID you SOROS paid minions are, lol... apk