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US Is Slipping Toward Measles Being Endemic Once Again, Says Study (arstechnica.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: With firm vaccination campaigns, the US eliminated measles in 2000. The highly infectious virus was no longer constantly present in the country -- no longer endemic. Since then, measles has only popped up when travelers carried it in, spurring mostly small outbreaks -- ranging from a few dozen to a few hundred cases each year -- that then fizzle out. But all that may be about to change. With the rise of non-medical vaccine exemptions and delays, the country is backsliding toward endemic measles, Stanford and Baylor College of Medicine researchers warn this week. With extensive disease modeling, the researchers make clear just how close we are to seeing explosive, perhaps unshakeable, outbreaks. According to results the researchers published in JAMA Pediatrics, a mere five-percent slip in measles-mumps-and-rubella (MMR) vaccination rates among kids aged two to 11 would triple measles cases in this age group and cost $2.1 million in public healthcare costs. And that's just a small slice of the disease transmission outlook. Kids two to 11 years old only make up about 30 percent of the measles cases in current outbreaks. The number of cases would be much larger if the researchers had sufficient data to model the social mixing and immunization status of adults, teens, and infants under two.
Medically - politically - I have to look at the calendar everyday because it feels like I'm in a time warp and it's really 1917.
We, the USA, are getting dumber.
Pay phone.
I think the issue is that most people alive today of childbearing age have no experience with how awful the diseases that plagued our ancestors were which leaves them with wiggle room to accept doubt from dumbass celebrities.
With all these fools and Trumpian healthcare I predict a swift reduction among the American population.
[Citation Needed]
It falls on you to back up your claim, first.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
So what?
Stupid people clip themselves from the gene pool, sounds like a great idea.
Smart people will not be threatened by this, they may have to re-up their shots, but so what???
You cannot fix stupid, don't waste money trying....you can lead a horse to water you cannot make it drink....let them go.
Vaccines should be free to anyone who wants them, no questions asked.
Autism rates have been on the decline, and this decline started when vaccination rates began their decline.
It has? Can you please give a citation or two? From what I understand autism rates have been steadily increasing for a while now. Though I've read a few sources that state it may be about to plateau.
Granted, part of the increase has to be from prior misdiagnosis and things like Asperger now considered autism. Black and Hispanics are also seeing increases. But some of that can be attributed to a lack of medical care in the past too. Regardless, it's still on the rise
It's my understanding that there are some special cases where vaccines may be harmful to a very small percentage of children, but it's nothing compared to how harmful hepatitis, tetanus, polio, etc can be if you contract those and are not one of those cases.
Evolution. All the idiots who won't get their kids vaccinated will see their genetic line die off. Those with vaccinations will be OK.
Eventually we'll only have sensible people left, the kind that vaccinate their kids.
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
and under the GOP plan it will get on to the PRE EX pool plan. If there is an opening / you have the funds for it and it's does not run out of fed / sate funds. But there is plan B ER (they will not fully cover you and will sue to get paid) plan C is jail / prison fully covered and in TX max cost $100/year.
Thanks to the policies of the Trumptonians the US is well on its way to becoming Great Again. The vaccine fear campaign is well established now and is seeing definite effects in the general population. Soon a devastated fearful populace will be full under control of the administration.
Nice try at stirring up some hate there but it's not the Mexicans who are the slackers.
http://theweek.com/articles/53...
So what was the point?
Mexico had a vaccination for chicken pox probably 15-20 years before the US, and avoiding vaccination there isn't a "fad". Sometimes the US is the problem, not the cure.
While its extremely non-PC to suggest this, but illegal immigration has a role here. The study was done in Texas (a border state). While parents should vaccinate their children, herd immunity should prevent any large-scale outbreaks unless there is an injection of sick people who are acting as carriers.
A lot of outbreaks are also happening in West Coast states (where you have enclaves of non-immunized children due parents' belief in misinformation) where non-immunized foreigners are visiting and spread diseases that are otherwise no longer endemic in the US. Oregon is a good example.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
It's not "non-PC", it's completely non-sense. This study has nothing to do with "Texas" other than one of the authors is at Baylor Medical - the other is at Standford.
The point on "herd immunity" is that you need a large enough vaccinated population to provide that and the point of this study is because of people "opting" out for non-medical reasons we are getting near or below rates needed. The study was a disease modeling of the entire country - not anything the is currently happening in Texas.
1) Not a decline, more like a plateau. It's also very recent, and doesn't correspond with the rise of the anti-vax campaigns, which happened years earlier.
2) Autism rates did not increase when vaccinations were introduced; again, the rise in autism only happened later--in this case, decades later.
3) Correlation is not causation.
Not that you will read any of this. You've reached your conclusion, and evidence that doesn't fit it will be ignored.
The MMR vaccine has not been updated to keep up with the evolution of the measles virus.
The claims for non-vaccinated is often merely, no proof of vaccination. However, most public schools require it. A few states allow for a religious exemption, which must be filed and recorded with the school.
The fact parents do not have records of vaccinations does not mean these children were not vaccinated. Most of the time they have been if they're of school age.
Stop coddling these people who are willing to put their children and the rest of society at risk for the sake of their pseudoscientific BS. It's been very well studied, and the time has ended for putting up with this stuff. I'm not saying force needles into their or their children's arms against their permission, because it's still their own body and their choice to make, but make the consequences of their (stupid and selfish) choices real. There are people who can not be safely vaccinated for medical reasons, and herd immunity is their only option. Protect them and the rest of the public.
Example: without legitimate medical reasons: 1) don't allow unvaccinated children in public school; 2) don't allow unvaccinated travel to countries where contageous diseases are endemic without putting people in relevant quarantine periods upon their return, at their expense. If people wont accept modern medical preventative measures then they should be subject to 19th-century-style ones until they are proven not to be carriers; and 3) up-to-date vaccination should be a qualification of employment at any health care facility, and probably for admission into any health care training program. No exceptions.
Mandate which vaccinations children are required to have to avail of private / public daycare and schools. And make the parents criminally liable if the child or someone he/she comes into contact with contracts a preventable disease because of their negligence.
You'd think illegal immigrants would be more of an issue.
It's time for the EU to start issuing advisories against traveling to the US, and maybe even requiring americans to undergo medical screening before being allowed in.
Autism rates have been on the decline, and this decline started when vaccination rates began their decline.
Explain that, poison advocates.
Has to be a troll, too lucid. Most anti-vaxxers wouldn't be able to write two sentences without quite a few embarrassing mistakes.
On the off chance you are really an anti-vax dickhead, give my commiserations to your children. Their mother/father is a stupid prick.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
The political left doesn't like to admit it, but the real problem here
Just like every problem, eh? Stay stupid.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
10+ "white" "men" tripping over themselves to correct you. This is how you know it's true.
Instead of giving second-worlders and third-worlders free vaccines, it would be better to give them free birth control medication and devices.
The first-world is already voluntarily doing its part, as birth rates are now at or below replacement levels in nearly all civilized nations.
But it's in second-world countries like India and those of South America, and especially the third-world countries of Africa, where birth rates are out of control.
Giving free vaccinations may help avoid disease outbreaks, but it does nothing to combat the numerous other problems of overpopulation, such as a lack of fresh water, a lack of food, a lack of proper housing, a lack of proper sanitation facilities, and the numerous problems that occur when third-worlders try to illegally enter civilized nations.
Free birth control helps prevent the overpopulation problem in the first place. Depending on the type of birth control, it can also help avoid some disease transmission.
Free vaccines stop one problem, but enable many other problems. Free birth control, on the other hand, prevents numerous problems.
[Citation Needed]
It falls on you to back up your claim, first.
Uh, that post is almost certainly trolling, in the original internet sense of the word: somebody who is posting for no other reason than to get a reaction. Responding to him in any way does nothing other than feed the troll; the correct reaction was to ignore him and wait for him to be moderated "troll".
It's too late for that now, though. To deal with facts: the actual response is that autism rates are not declining: http://blogs.discovermagazine....
Here's a good correlation graph, if you're looking for correlation: https://www.sciencebasedmedici...
Yeah but it's a problem, and therefore has to be blamed on immigrants. You not been getting the memo?
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
The problem isn't unvaccinated illegal aliens. The issue is a lot of parents in the US aren't vaccinating their kids because Jenny McCarthy and people like her scare them into thinking vaccines are evil. So, when people visit to/from places where diseases such as measels are still endemic they bring the diseases with them and spread them among the unvaccinated population here (a lot of whom tend to be clustered together since people with anti-vaccination beliefs tend to have certain other political or religious beliefs and live in communities with others who share those beliefs). Illegal immigration is a very small factor, if at all. And if the US and Europe would put in a proper refugee system, a lot of those people you mentioned would have proper medical screenings and be provided food, housing, and education/employment; allowing them to become productive members of a society they literally risked their lives for to join.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
Lol! Your comment proves what the GP claimed!
We're blaming anti-vaxxers because it's the fucking anti-vaxxers' fault. How fast does the measles virus mutate? Go ahead and link your research showing that the modern vaccine is no longer effective. I'm supposed to be impressed by the four digits 1971? On it's own that's fucking meaningless mate.
You're just another "big pharma is evil" clown, and safe to ignore.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
Bravo. Your PhD thesis in trolling has been accepted and forwarded to the accreditation committee.
If they are not getting the measles vaccine, they are probably not getting the polio vaccine. The better we can identify anti-vax areas, the better we can target locations for the polio virus. There is a lot of money to be made in care for polio patients.
Just make sure *your* children have their vaccinations. The kids of all the dumbasses will be weeded out due to genetic stupidity. It is as it always was... thank you Mr. Darwin.
If only it were that simple. Problem is that the asshats who don't vaccinate by choice cause illness in those who cannot get vaccinated for valid medical reasons. If it was simply people competing for darwin awards along with their spawn I could almost not give a damn. But unfortunately I do actually care about the kids of these dumbass parents. You don't get to pick your parents and just because they are idiots doesn't mean the kid necessarily is.
Personally I think anyone who doesn't vaccinate without a valid medical excuse should have to live in quarantine.
Easy, dead kids never get autism.
Ezekiel 23:20
The reason you can get lifelong immunity (10 or 20 years, anyhow, since that is how long your B cells live) from the vaccine is that these viruses don't mutate much and with attenuated live virus you're getting the whole organism. So all of its proteins would have to mutate enough to evade the immune system at once. Like with us, many proteins will be highly conserved. With fast mutating, killed virus or antigen only vaccines you might need to get one every year like flu. Comparing efficacy across lots is probably done by ELISA and would be very easy. I don't have firsthand knowledge with MMR testing but each manufacturer would be required to run a QA lab that would routinely check the lots being manufactured. No one made a giant vat in the 70s that we are still consuming.
For opening the immigration floodgates that results in a higher percentage of unvaccinated people.
For stupid progressive celebrities that advise against vaccinations.
And finally for the radical environmentalists that want us to die anyways to save mother gaia.
https://slashdot.org/comments....
So, the whole planet Earth was populated by stupid fucks back then, eh? All those common people and dignitaries who hailed Jenner as the Savior - everyone basically - they were all crazy! Or maybe, just maybe those people lived daily with diseases and dead toll that we can hardly imagine today...oh, why don't we have a time-machine to send you, AC, back in time to tell them all how EVIL vaccination really is....I wonder what Napoleon would do to you....
Funny how you cite a plan when there is not one that has passed. Nice try.
I guess the twenty million or so illegals and legal immigrants who are not vaccinated doesn't count. Another bullshit story posted on Slashdot.
You not been getting the memo?
An Australian probably stole it. They have a fondness for Post-It notes which remind them of Vegemite jars.
for the catastrophes at columbine, et al?
Illegal aliens are not immigrants.
Real immigrants are vetted through the immigration process, have immigrant visas, who eventually get a green card.
Real immigrants are like guests you invite to stay in your house.
Illegal aliens are squatters that break into your house and live in it without your permission, using your utilities and eating your food, again without permission.
Not to back up what that person said, but big pharma IS evil. You should still get vaccinated anyway, though.
>"The problem isn't unvaccinated illegal aliens."
That's right. The problem is aliens in general, plus a little bit of residents traveling. It doesn't matter whether travelers are legal citizens, tourists, migrants, or merchants. As stated, measles was declared eradicated in the US, and now has been re-introduced. It is coming from outside, not inside.
People who advocate forced vaccination should give some thought to what they are promoting. They are stating that they want a government that forces them to do things whether they are opposed to them or not. That might be justified with smallpox or polio, but measles and chickenpox are not so devastating as to call for fascism. If you are not able to convince people that Jenny McCarthy is wrong, then you have failed. Resorting to force is wrong.
Stop giving free medical care to people who didn't get vaccinated. Quarantine them and their family while they're contagious and make them pay for the costs of monitoring them. Don't allow immigrants to receive work permits, green cards, visas, or any other permission to be in the country until they've been vaccinated.
well not passing can end up with a defended ACA that give people 0 planes to pick from.
Not to rain on your anti-immigrant parade, but the west-coast states also have a lot of hippy dippy anti-vaxxers. Immigrants might have some responsibility for the increase; however, I'd guess that the anti-vax movement probably has more to do with it.
Yes, they have indeed. I have witnessed this in education in a hreat many cities in a gariety of states over a period of years. I don't care what a report says, it's getting worse, not better. Ask any non-private school teacher. I don't think it had anything to do with vaccination to begin with, personally.
i dont know who you're talking to, but *without citations* both of you will be ignored. plus, while i'll think of the op as ill-informed, i'll think of you as grandstanding. go fix that guys!
Medically - politically - I have to look at the calendar everyday because it feels like I'm in a time warp and it's really 1917.
We, the USA, are getting dumber.
One thing you have to realize is that political issues are never black-and-white, but there are shades of grey. Issues have both positive *and* negative aspects, and it is up to us to assign an inherent value to the plusses and minuses in each case.
Vaccination in the US is all tangled up with immigration and foreign culture.
Measles is brought in by travellers from foreign countries and spurred mostly by immigration - going to visit relatives back in the home country, or having relatives come to visit. Neither of which is a problem, but it adds a small negative value to unrestricted immigration.
A couple of years ago I read about some Islamic groups in Pakistan who intentionally avoided the (freely offered) polio vaccine, and also avoided having polio-laden children *treated*, thinking that if they could somehow get the children into the US they could attack us that way(*).
A few years earlier I read about a California school system with 7,000 students and only enough money for 5,000 vaccinations, but of those 7,000 students 1,500 were illegals. The controversy was about "who gets the vaccinations", and whether we should put tax-paying citizens at a disadvantage by vaccinating foreign nationals for free.
You could definitely say that people are stupid for not getting vaccinated, but you could also say that curbing immigration would help, immigration adds a burden of cost to our society, and that sometimes other cultures and practices will get in the way.
The stupid answer is to have unlimited immigration and also insufficient funds for vaccination. If we have unlimited immigration, we should absolutely be willing to bear the increased medical costs simply for the protection of our own people.
Whether unlimited immigration is worth the increased costs is now a political issue that you can judge for yourself, and perhaps we should poll the population for consensus. Take all the positives and their inherent value, and compare to the negatives and *those* values.
Vaccination is the correct choice, but it's become partly a political issue.
(*) And it didn't help that the CIA used foreign vaxxing programs as a way to locate and register persons of interest.
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Why is this modded down? These outbreaks aren't happening in the suburbs, they're happening in the migrant ghettos. It says right in the summary: "when travelers carried it in". I know bashing anti-vaxxers is an easy and fun way to boost your ego, but their numbers are insignificant and they aren't causing this problem (exacerbating it, though).
I guess correctly identifying the problem is racist or something? Perhaps it is because he said something nice about Trump?
Evolution. All the idiots who won't get their kids vaccinated will see their genetic line die off. Those with vaccinations will be OK.
Might work if these diseases were always fatal. Problem is that they aren't. They are only sometimes fatal. Sometimes carriers aren't even symptomatic. And they also can infect people who cannot get vaccinated for valid medical reasons.
I wouldn't have a philosophical problem with parents of children who choose not to vaccinate without a valid medical reason to have to live in quarantine. Separate them from the rest of the herd. Basically they are deciding to join a voluntary leper colony. This would keep them and their DNA from infecting the rest of us.
My son has an auto-immune disorder. Vaccines don't work on him. If he ever contracts this terrible disease, I fully intend to identify and sue a large swath of parents who elect not to vaccinate their child. Others should do the same. If common sense and compassion for fellow humans isn't enough for them, maybe taking their money will.
This is fallout from overly aggressive vaccination efforts. When we mandate vaccination for things that don't have a high death rate and aren't contagious through air and touch, we lose the moral authority to resist the bajillion claims for exemption.
Measles is deadly and highly contagious. The measles vaccine should be mandatory barring medical exemption. But because we also screw around with trying to make STD vaccines (like HPV) mandatory we open the door to refusal of all vaccines on the flimsiest of excuses.
Moderating "-1, Disagree" is simple censorship. Have the guts to post your opinion.
Miss. is the ONLY state that requires vaccination for ALL kids attending school, EXCEPT for true medical exceptions.
So, one of the most backwards states, is actually the most forward thinking when it comes to that.
Sad that ANY of the states allows otherwise,
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
When IT is doing a proper job, the users rarely experience any problems. And consequently them assume IT is not needed.
Actually, it's not so much a giant vat made in the 70's as much as the select genepool continuously (in)bred for generations.
"Inbred" isn't really a thing with viruses, but I digress. While you're correct that drift could occur, it is easy to test in an ELISA if the antigens are still equivalent to the wild type strain as far as the immune system is concerned.
Where is the line when it becomes justified? I don't advocating for forced vaccinations, but a little coercion is certainly in order. I do not see religious or philosophical objections as legitimate excuses for allowing unvaccinated children to attend public school.
Chickenpox kills about 0.003% of victims and hospitalizes about 0.26%. The overall death rate is low, but one quarter of a percent for hospitalizations makes for a lot of unnecessary strain on healthcare systems, especially for a disease that will infect around 95% of unvaccinated individuals.
Measles, besides the immediate death rate (about 0.15% in the US), Encephalitis (0.1% in the US), and hospitalization rate (about 25% in the US) brings a potential for a delayed neurological disease that is 100% fatal for those stricken with it. Around 1.7% of infants who get measles and 0.07% of children under 5 who contract measles will later develop this neurological disease. The mortality rate for subacute sclerosing panencephalitis is 100%. The mortality risk for individuals who contract measles as infants is the most concerning for me because it can happen before they are old enough to get the vaccine.
Spoken like a true spineless coward
I can't wait until I can force a vaccine on you, fuckface
Not to rain on your anti-immigrant parade, but the west-coast states also have a lot of hippy dippy anti-vaxxers. Immigrants might have some responsibility for the increase; however, I'd guess that the anti-vax movement probably has more to do with it.
How was my post an anti-immigrant parade? I specifically mentioned the idiocacy of the parents belief and that the infections come from non-immunized foreign visitors. But the blame lies fully on the parents for not vaccinating their children, not the foreigners who may not have the money for/availability of vaccinations in their home countries.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
Uh, that post is almost certainly trolling...
Well, yeah. And I called him out on it.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
Bookmarked! :D
People who advocate forced vaccination should give some thought to what they are promoting. They are stating that they want a government that forces them to do things whether they are opposed to them or not. That might be justified with smallpox or polio, but measles and chickenpox are not so devastating as to call for fascism.
It's not fascism. The government (as an agent of society) has a duty to protect those citizens that are unable to do so themselves. In this case it is people who rely on herd immunity due to an inability to receive vaccinations. Because the government cannot realistically or ethically force those people into social and physical isolation for the rest of their lives, the only other alternative is to ensure they are in an environment safe enough for them (please do not try to construe this into a "safe space" argument). Anti-vaxxers aren't abstaining from vaccinations for legitimate health reasons, they are doing based on religious/political/misinformed (all so one guy could make money off some treatments) beliefs. If they don't want to vaccinate their kids and choose to forgo public schools, day care, or anything else, that is their choice. But that is better than giving the middle finger and saying "sucks to be you" to the people who have no choice.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
These outbreaks aren't happening in the suburbs, they're happening in the migrant ghettos.
Disneyland is a "migrant ghetto" now?
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
Our nation values freedom of religion very highly. That would have to change before bona fide religious exemptions will be disallowed. The key words being "bona fide" - claiming a religious exemption on Monday then going to a church on Sunday that doesn't have any credible "vaccinations are verboten" rule is not a "bona fide claim".
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
It is right for public schools to make kids who are not known to be vaccinated to stay home when measles is present in the area and that presence creates a public health threat (one case may not do it, 30 in a county might).
It's also the same school's responsibility to provide for either a tutor or remote-education (telephone, internet, etc.) for the duration of the local outbreak. It is NOT the school's responsibility to arrange child care during the outbreak - that's the parent's job.
The same goes for other diseases with vaccinations that are widely known to be generally effective and generally cost-effective that they are required by law.
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As for places where there are large gatherings that include children, such as movie theaters, theme parks, swimming pools, etc., the local public health authority is probably best equipped to issue guidance or, in extreme cases, orders, to parents of non-vaccinated children that will help - or order - them to not expose their kids or the general public to unnecessary risks. Realistically though, how many places in the country have a local measles-or-other-widely-vaccinated-for-disease outbreak that last more than a few months, and how many have more than 2 or 3 such outbreaks in a 10 year period? Not many.
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
Or better yet, label not vaccinating your child as equal child abuse. Because in some sense it actually is.
Autism rates have been on the decline, and this decline started when vaccination rates began their decline.
Explain that, poison advocates.
Correlation does not imply causation.
The supposed "link" from vaccinations to autism is easily studied so it's actually been thoroughly studied multiple times by looking at medical records. No obvious link exists in the available data. I'd call this whole idea that there is a link a lie..
There is just about as much "proof" of the link between vaccines and autism as there is to unleaded gasoline to autism, if you follow the logic used in the first argument.
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This is his legacy. No more, no less.
Corporatism != Free Market
The problem isn't unvaccinated illegal aliens. The issue is a lot of parents in the US aren't vaccinating their kids because Jenny McCarthy and people like her scare them into thinking vaccines are evil.
The problem is both of these groups, except one of them gets a free pass for PC reasons. Newsflash: measles virus doesn't suffer from white guilt and doesn't avoid ethnic people.
Because there's only hindus, confucians and muslims.
Hey, if you can be an ignorant asshat and pretend there are words there not said, so can I.
should be arrested.
The tipoff was the estimate of a whopping $2.1 meeeeeleeon increase in public health costs. FTFS:
We found that a 5% decline in MMR vaccine coverage in US children would result in a 3-fold increase in national measles cases in this age group, for a total of 150 cases
Elsewhere the study says that age group comprises about 30% of total measles cases. So in theory we'd see about 300 more cases per year.
Sorry, but that's not deserving of words like "explosive" or "unshakeable."
And even that would require a drop in coverage TFA dismissively couches as a "mere" 5%, but which would in reality be an enormous move for a statistic that is now only about 1% off its one-time peak and is running right around its mean over the last couple of decades.
Before you go there, my children are vaccinated. But this sort of sensationalism is not helpful.
The numbers really don't support the idea that illegal immigration is a significant driver here. While it's always *possible* for someone to bring in measles, measles has an incubation period of about 10-12 days, so you only have to worry about the number of people who crossed the border illegally in the last week or so.
The total number of undocumented in the US is estimated to be around 11 million (useful fact to keep in mind in the immigration debate), two thirds of whom have lived here for a decade or more. By DHS's internal estimates, about 170,000 - 200,000 people annually cross the border illegally who are not caught.
Compare that to the number of Americans who travel abroad. Last year, that hit a record sixty-six million, twenty five million to Mexico alone. Since the vaccine has about a 2% failure rate, that means about 1.3 million non-immune Americans cross the US border legally every year, almost 10x the number of illegal immigrants. What's more Americans overwhelmingly fly in, which is significant given the incubation time of the virus. About 40% of illegal immigrants arrive by air, and these are overwhelmingly "overstays", people who enter the US illegally but overstay their visa. They are not "illegals" during the period they would be contagious.
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Currently there is no string attached to the $1000 per child tax credit. Let's require people to provide the health insurance policy number that covers the child (and it might only cover the child, not the parent) AND mandate that the child's shot record be up to date.
If anyone wants to skip the vaccination of their child or use the tax credit to buy a bigger SUV, too bad but they aren't holding up their end of a societal obligation so put their own money where there mouth is, not mine.
Claims of a plateau are supported by a 2016 report from the CDC.
Chickenpox kills about 0.003% of victims and hospitalizes about 0.26%. The overall death rate is low, but one quarter of a percent for hospitalizations makes for a lot of unnecessary strain on healthcare systems...
Just want to remind readers that chicken pox are actually much worse a thing than was once commonly thought. Back when I was a kid, when another kid in the neighborhood got chicken pox during the summer, everyone's mothers would send them over for a play day to get the chicken pox thing out of the way while no school would be missed.
Now we know that chicken pox virus lays dormant forever in a person's body, often resurfacing when they get shingles later, which hurts worse than anyone who's never had it can ever understand.
And now more good news... there's an apparent link between shingles and heart disease.
So the REAL statistics? They need some work.
Rolling around on the floor and putting random crap in their mouths pretty much covers it. I guess the gov went through their demographics and didn't have enough invasive info on toddlers. Get them while they're young. Idiot parents getting newborns a Facefarm account, finger prints, and DNA screening not enough?
No, but it is a place where people from all over the world congregate....like migrant ghettos.
Can't wait to see the facial expression on my organic nut sister-in-law when I show her that. Also, to my brother, who thinks a vaccination is the reason his teenage son acts like a typical teenager.
First, you need to learn what fascism is so that you stop labeling things that are not fascist as being so. Second you need to learn the de facto purpose of ANY government is to force people to do things they don't want to do.
What was the p-value? Note the other /. story on this... https://science.slashdot.org/s...
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Drawing more attention to the troll. Your post is currently at Score 2. Many of us would have never seen his (as it should be) because we browse above that level
Just another day in Paradise
[Citation Needed]
It falls on you to back up your claim, first.
Uh, that post is almost certainly trolling, in the original internet sense of the word: somebody who is posting for no other reason than to get a reaction. Responding to him in any way does nothing other than feed the troll; the correct reaction was to ignore him and wait for him to be moderated "troll".
It's too late for that now, though. To deal with facts: the actual response is that autism rates are not declining: http://blogs.discovermagazine....
Here's a good correlation graph, if you're looking for correlation: https://www.sciencebasedmedici...
Here is the deal for my jurisdiction -- Québec Canada
No vaccination, homeschooling. No vaccination--no public schooling access. No college or university access (which all are greatly funded by the government) and its likely your child won't have a playmate, unless the other is also home schooled.
Leslie Satenstein Montreal Quebec Canada
1) Not a decline, more like a plateau. It's also very recent, and doesn't correspond with the rise of the anti-vax campaigns, which happened years earlier.
2) Autism rates did not increase when vaccinations were introduced; again, the rise in autism only happened later--in this case, decades later.
3) Correlation is not causation.
Not that you will read any of this. You've reached your conclusion, and evidence that doesn't fit it will be ignored.
My daughter teaches autistic grade-school children. They are for the main part, very smart, gifted in certain skills. As far as my daughter believes, autism is a genetic defect.
Her biggest successes are taking a child that is deep into his ownself, and bringing him/her out of it, to a more normal life. She says, every child has a passion. Some for toys, some for sports, etc. She uses the child's passion to bring the child to be attentive. It works. Passion is their addiction drug.
Leslie Satenstein Montreal Quebec Canada
It is official policy to always deny that a vaccine was involved with any death or medical condition. It is also policy to always deny when a vaccine is ineffective. Ensuring that a vaccine is widely distributed is top priority. It doesn't matter how many children are harmed or killed by a vaccine the government cannot allow any doubt about the safety or effectiveness of a vaccine.
I'll believe that when you can show me multiple double blind, placebo test studies that show what you claim. At this point not a single placebo test has ever been done to test the safety or efficacy of a vaccine, not one in history.
If you would like to dispute this fact, please show me the study.
Right, as if that's the ONLY valid way to perform a study.
Polio killed thousands and scared tens of thousands back in the 1960's here in the USA. I will point out that one strain of Polio has been eradicated from the world's population and the other two have been largely relegated to "in the wild" infection rates of under 100 per year. I will ALSO point out that an "in the wild" infection of Polio in the USA HAS NOT HAPPENED in over a decade.
I'm pretty sure it's easy to prove that this is largely due to the vaccination rates for Polio since the 60's, but be my guest if you want to argue otherwise. The same is true for other viral infections which used to kill and scar a percentage of the population, BEFORE vaccines became the norm.
Now I'm not going to sit here and tell you that the number and frequency of vaccinations suggested by the CDC is a good idea and that vaccine makers are not out on a money grab by pushing as many as they do... But I AM saying that vaccines are safe and effective for most people and it is good government policy to encourage their use (in most cases) for public health. You do what you want, but if your kid dies from the measles (yes it can and does happen) that could have been prevented by a vaccine what will you say then? Personally, I recommend finding a doctor you trust to take care of your kids, and take their advice, which likely means you vaccinate your kids along with mine.
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Are you a liar or a troll? Liar, I suspect. Whatever. By the time that Salk and Sabin were developing polio vaccines in the 1950s, blinded testing of polio vaccines was a 20-year old subject (without success, it must be said). Dozens of trials on different strains were carried out in the development of the vaccine though the 1950s.
Through the 1980s (and 1990s and 2000s, and most of the 2010s), I've been watching reports of the start of blinded trials of (candidate AIDS vaccine of the year) in the science press. Normally followed by a report of the trial being stopped weeks or months later due to side effects, ineffectiveness, or interfering fuckwit politicians. Though it must be said that there is some progress after 30-odd years of work.
I can only assume that you're a deliberate liar, though I cannot for one second conceive of what your motivation is. Plain evil malice, I guess. Please have a shitty day, then crawl away and die somewhere.
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It is in fact the only valid type of study accepted by the FDA for any medicine other than vaccines. Why do you think that they have such a lower bar for safety and efficacy testing for vaccines than other medicines?
Polio was the most misdiagnosed disease in history. There were several factors contributing to the prevalence of its diagnosis at that time. The primary two factors were DDT and the vaccine itself. It was not understood for several years afterward, but DDT toxicity causes guillain barre syndrome, which has symptom identical to paralytic polio. It was also being used everywhere, even put on food and sprayed directly on children. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
The polio vaccine itself also caused guillain barre syndrome as well as spreading actual polio infection. Polio was "eradicated" by defining it almost completely out of existence. For instance, if a child who had gotten the polio vaccine showed signs of polio it was defined as non-polio paralysis. The criteria for diagnosing paralytic polio was changed from around a day of weakness or paralysis of a limb to a minimum of a week of weakness or paralysis.
As far as measles goes it was almost entirely eradicated before the vaccine was ever invented for it. Also in the decades leading up to the introduction of the vaccine less than 0.01% of cases resulted in death, less than the CDC claims the death rate is for flu. It was considered a trivial disease and parents would host measles parties so they could get it over with while their children were young. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Now, can you show me a double-blind placebo test for the efficacy or safety of a vaccine?
Show me the studies.
Again, show me the studies.
You assume because you are a nothing more than a blind sheep believing whatever the government tells you. You know as damn well as I do that our government is corrupt to its core, but you somehow believe that they would never ever lie to you about something related to medicine. And if you somehow believe that the government isn't completely corrupt you really need to brush up on your history.