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Calibri Font Plays Its Role: Pakistan Now Sans Sharif as Prime Minister is Disqualified (neowin.net)

Usama Jawad, writing for Neowin: A few weeks ago, we reported that Microsoft's Calibri font has been used as evidence against Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and his family in a corruption case. Today, Sharif has been disqualified from his position as a part of the court's final verdict of the case. The case concerns the "Panama Papers", which is a collection of 11.5 million documents detailing information related to over 200,000 offshore accounts. Ever since the Panama Papers were anonymously leaked back in 2015, there has been a major shift in the political situation in many countries. One such country is Pakistan, where the names of numerous members of the Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif's family were spotted in the papers. If you aren't aware of the Calibri controversy, it is as follows: Nawaz Sharif's daughter Maryam Nawaz submitted photocopies of several documents in order to deny any corruption, but it appears that the documents contained Microsoft's Calibri font, even though they were dated February 6, 2006. It is important to note that the font wasn't commercially available until much later. Despite being created in 2004, the font did not reach the general public until January 30, 2007.

93 comments

  1. Sans Sharif by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Come on, now.

    1. Re: Sans Sharif by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What's really sad is I'll bet a fair number of us were hoping for this outcome, just for the bad pun setup.

    2. Re:Sans Sharif by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      In Pakistani politics, the Times Roman, they are a-changin'...

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    3. Re:Sans Sharif by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2

      In Pakistani politics, the Times Roman, they are a-changin'...

      Now they're Times New Roman!

    4. Re:Sans Sharif by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Sharif don't like it.. Rock the casbah!

      How come no article about the Awan brothers and their IT involvement in the government? Far more "on-topic" around here than the trannies in military article.

    5. Re: Sans Sharif by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The headline STILL makes no sense. Something tells me that Miss Mash was born without a cerebral cortex.

    6. Re: Sans Sharif by omnichad · · Score: 1, Troll

      Do you want someone to teach you about fonts and serifs or are you too lazy to look for yourself? The pun is funny.

    7. Re: Sans Sharif by Outtascope · · Score: 0

      RTFA? That headline wins the internet for today.

    8. Re:Sans Sharif by xevioso · · Score: 1

      Why the hate? It's a Helvetica joke, after all.

    9. Re: Sans Sharif by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only a simpleton would think it was funny.

      And the headline doesn't make any grammatical sense. Perhaps the author should revise it with the use of some punctuation.

    10. Re:Sans Sharif by skovnymfe · · Score: 1

      It's ripped directly from reddit, where it was a top comment yesterday to a similar story, and that comment was probably ripped from somewhere else too.

    11. Re: Sans Sharif by omnichad · · Score: 1

      What part doesn't make grammatical sense? Looks good to me, even without hyphenation.

    12. Re: Sans Sharif by Maritz · · Score: 1

      It makes perfect grammatical sense. Sorry, but it does.

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  2. Slashdot headline of the year. by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 4, Funny

    Bravo.

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    1. Re:Slashdot headline of the year. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hardly original. The pun has been in widespread use for weeks, if not months.

    2. Re:Slashdot headline of the year. by cloud.pt · · Score: 2

      But he was ousted now, so it makes sense in the NOW of things. Man I laughed so hard

  3. "Sans Sharif" by Verdatum · · Score: 4, Funny

    Worstest pun I think I've ever seen on /. Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!....OK, maybe I smiled a little.

    1. Re:"Sans Sharif" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes, it was unfonted

  4. Headline by shortscruffydave · · Score: 1

    Well played, sir...well played

  5. Well done submitter. by Hatechall · · Score: 1

    I just wanted to congratulate the submitter. News for nerds and a grade A pun in one go. Well done.

  6. No. Just NO. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't do that.

  7. So using Microsoft products... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    So using Microsoft products can indeed make you loose your job!

  8. Sharif don't like it! by uncoveror · · Score: 5, Funny

    Rock the Calibri! Rock the Calibri!

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    1. Re:Sharif don't like it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The king called up his typesetters. He said, "You'd better earn your pay! Print up some documents the Calibri way." As soon as the Sharif was out of favor, the typesetters printed the forged documents. As soon as the Sharif was out of their hair, the typesetters wailed...

      "Sharif don't like it rockin' Calibri. Rock the Calibri!"

      (This should sync up with the music pretty well. Try it out.)

  9. Re:Pakistan is a terrorist country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But ISIS is very anti-embezzlement. Just think about it: that money could have gone toward the intelligence services aiding in more terrorist plots. They are right to remove him!

  10. Re:Pakistan is a terrorist country by CriticalYetLazy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So when one 1:10 are pro ISIS/terrorism/etc, you declare a whole country as "terrorist"? In the same respect, western countries are gay, since they have, an average, about 10% gay people? There may be a lot of off shit going on over there, but this kind of generalism is really foolish.

  11. Re:Guess whose name appears 3,540 times? by aicrules · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wow...documents that have been out for over a year are going to now become an issue that will lead to this chain of scandalous events? Sorry, if they were going to be an issue for now President Trump they would have been an issue before he got elected. That's not to say that people like you won't continue to claim there is something when there's nothing...but there really is nothing.

  12. Microsoft TCO by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    This should be a big wakeup call to all C[E|O|I|T|X]O's to not use Microsoft products. Ever.

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    1. Re:Microsoft TCO by slew · · Score: 1

      This should be a big wakeup call to all C[E|O|I|T|X]O's to not use Microsoft products. Ever.

      FWIW, you can generally use Helvetica (1957) or Ariel (1982) fonts (even on Microsoft products). But if you want an "open" font,... your options are limited.

      Only DejaVu Sans (2004) would probably be the only font that fit the appropriate required timeframe, but it isn't the most popular default today on open source only distributions which are LiberationSans(2010), FreeSans (2010) Open Sans (2011). In addition to the Carlito font which is their replacement for Calibri (which by definition places it even later in time than Calibri.

      If they had enough technical insight to change the default font, they could have just use Ariel or Helvetica, even on Microsoft products. Not that there aren't other reason to steer clear of the MSFT tax (aka product), but this ain't one of them.

    2. Re:Microsoft TCO by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      FWIW, you can generally use Helvetica (1957) or Ariel (1982) fonts (even on Microsoft products). But if you want an "open" font,... your options are limited.

      Only DejaVu Sans (2004) would probably be the only font that fit the appropriate required timeframe, but it isn't the most popular default today on open source only distributions which are LiberationSans(2010), FreeSans (2010) Open Sans (2011). In addition to the Carlito font which is their replacement for Calibri (which by definition places it even later in time than Calibri.

      Depends how "open" you want it. Microsoft's Core Fonts for the Web were released way back in the late 90s and Microsoft stopped distribution in 2002. They are not open fonts, as they are still copyrighted and come with licensing terms, but are openly distributable if you agree to certain conditions (i.e., files are kept as shipped - same filename, same packaging), so they are still available, at least the last versions Microsoft released under those terms.

      In fact, because of those terms, the Open-Source crowd has made tons of neat utilities to download and install them on Linux. Or your distribution's non-free may already have it, kept in nice .exe format files that an open-source utility unpacks to get at the ttf file inside. (There's no requirement to actually RUN the installer).

      They aren't "free" or "open", but they are publicly available on every OS that can understand TrueType ttf format.

  13. Re:Pakistan is a terrorist country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uh, 10% is an order magnitude too high for LGBT population (inclusive, not just "gay people").

    The point is not so much that the populace--or parts of the populace--support an organization that beheads non-believers, but rather when the state sanctions and supports those beliefs.

  14. Re:Pakistan is a terrorist country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    58% of Americans view drone warfare as positive even though they also feel that the US has failed to achieve its goals in Afghanistan. The US intelligence services continue to spy on all Americans. In comparisons the garbled tweets of the President are constantly analyzed by the 24 hour press.

  15. Re:Guess whose name appears 3,540 times? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You underestimate the red tape involved in legal proceedings, it can take years for some fairly trivial cases to reach court. The quantity of information just means there's more work to do to prepare a case.

  16. Fark? by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

    What is this, where am I, what year is it.

  17. Re:Link + Explanation of Wordplay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody asked.

  18. Re:Pakistan is a terrorist country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But the government supports and facilitates terrorism

  19. Meddling fonts by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

    And I would have gotten away with it too. If it hadn't been for those meddling Sans Sherif fonts.

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  20. and by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When you lick a butthoal you lick it for life!!

  21. Re:We're about to lose a corrupt leader too! IMPEA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You should watch your blood pressure with all that salt.

  22. What are you, some kind of Comic Sans? by theurge14 · · Score: 1

    What are you, some kind of Comic Sans?

    1. Re:What are you, some kind of Comic Sans? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Definitely a Zapf Dingbat

  23. Re:Pakistan is a terrorist country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uh, 10% is an order magnitude too high for LGBT population (inclusive, not just "gay people").

    [Citation needed]

  24. Oh, well that's just great! >:( by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 3, Funny

    Sure, Sans Sharif was corrupt but still, nobody is looking forward to Prime Minister Komik Sans. ;)

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  25. Credit where credit is due by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    You know, we give the OPs a lot of crap for non-tech, repetitive, political news.

    But that has to be one of the best title/article postings in years.

    "Calibri Font Plays Its Role: Pakistan Now Sans Sharif"

    Well played, sir/madam.

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  26. Re:Guess whose name appears 3,540 times? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who said anything about courts? aicrules simply stated that if they were going to be an issue, they would have been an issue already. You know, sorta like how Clinton's emails were an issue. Which, by the way, the amount of hullabaloo that Clinton's emails received circumstantially proves you wrong.

  27. Re:Pakistan is a terrorist country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    The US just has ended the CIA program to funnel weapons to Syrian "opposition" i.e. a billions dollars program of weapons trafficking through Qatar Jordan and Turkey that lasted for many years.

    I'm a leftist Euro-wimp and I'm glad Trump won the election not the terrorist cunt in chief.
    The pimp bitch campaigned on not accepting that reality and waging all-out war and that's why she lost.

    Of course, this is also a lesson in the limits of the "lesser of two evils". But americunts get what they deserve I suppose.

  28. Re:Pakistan is a terrorist country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The US Democratic party can also then be described as a terrorist party.

  29. Bad lawyers/researchers by guruevi · · Score: 1

    The Calibri font was definitely available although not immediately commercial, alpha and release candidate versions of Office containing the font appeared as early as 2005.

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    1. Re:Bad lawyers/researchers by DRJlaw · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Calibri font was definitely available although not immediately commercial, alpha and release candidate versions of Office containing the font appeared as early as 2005.

      I can't decide whether you're trying to point out an interesting, but not dispositive fact, or whether this is an example of typical Slashdot lawyering. Preponderance of the evidence, or even "reasonable doubt," does not turn on whether one can construct an improbable situation in which documents could be authored using Calibri.

      They've thought of that.
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      "The first public beta version, according to a Wikipedia entry, was released on June 6, 2006 -- close to four months after the papers were said to have been signed by Maryam Nawaz."

      * * *

      "Responding personally to the question separately, font designer de Groot said, 'While in theory it would have been possible to create a document using Calibri in 2006, the font would have to be obtained from a beta operating system, from the hands of computer nerds'.

      'Why would anyone use a completely unknown font for an official document in 2006?' he went on to question.

      'If the person using Calibri was such a font lover that he or she had to use the new Calibri, then he or she should be able to prove that other documents were printed with Calibri in 2006, and these prints should be in the hands of other people as well,' he wrote his email addressed to the newspaper."
      ---

      That last bit is the pertinent question. If you're arguing that the documents are authentic, where are the other 'official documents prepared using Calibri' that would have been prepared at the same time? Even if the government copies of the Nawaz documents were lost, where are the government copies of those other non-Nawaz Calibri documents? Do the government's records of documents prepared at that time ever contain ones prepared in Calibri?

    2. Re:Bad lawyers/researchers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The first public beta version, according to a Wikipedia entry, was released on June 6, 2006 -- close to four months after the papers were said to have been signed by Maryam Nawaz."

      Wikipedia is your reliable source? FFS. Calibri became the _DEFAULT_ font for Office in 2007. Calibri shipped with Office for Mac in 2004.

  30. Panama papers vs wikileaks by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 2

    The Panama papers have done more than Wikileaks with much less publishing. More hacks along those lines, exposing the 1%, is how reform can be accomplished. Its the best use of the NSAs all seeing power that I can think of, even if it is a pipe dream.

  31. reminds me ... by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

    ... of a certain major news network waving around a Microsoft Word generated document to "prove" that a certain president had dodged the Vietnam War draft ...

    1. Re:reminds me ... by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      That is actually an excellent point. Just as those documents didn't change the fact that Bush was a draft dodger, these documents don't prove Sharif is guilty. The major difference here, of course, is that Calibri was in fact available whereas Word definitely did not exist when Bush dodged the draft. It seems to have escaped the press that Sharif was not a member of the general public on the documents purported creation date.

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  32. Re:Pakistan is a terrorist country by unixisc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While 1 in 10 may be pro ISIS, other 9 support other Jihadist groups, like the Taliban, al Qaeda, Lashkar e Toiba, Jaish e Mohammed, Harkat e Mujahedeen, and a plethory of Islamic alphabet soup of Jihadist groups. So yeah, that whole country IS terrorist.

  33. Re:Pakistan is a terrorist country by loonycyborg · · Score: 1

    9% a lot lower that can be expected for a muslim country given that ISIS is the kalifate reborn.

  34. Precedent for font analysis by dcavanaugh · · Score: 1

    The first time I saw fonts at the center of an investigation was the CBS story about George W. Bush's military service. The CBS news story presented a document from the 1970s that was supposedly from an IBM Selectric typewriter when in fact it was from an Apple Macintosh using Microsoft Word default settings and a Palatino font. At the time, I was surprised to see how obvious the forgery was, and how easily it was exposed. Without this case, I wonder if anyone would have investigated the Calibri font in Pakistan.

    1. Re:Precedent for font analysis by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2

      I can guarantee that the Bush Draft Dodge was far from the first time font analysis was used, and that font forensics predates computers by a very long time.

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    2. Re:Precedent for font analysis by vux984 · · Score: 2

      The CBS news story presented a document from the 1970s that was supposedly from an IBM Selectric typewriter when in fact it was from an Apple Macintosh using Microsoft Word default settings and a Palatino font

      Sure presenting it as the original typed document; would be fairly obvious as forgery. But that doesn't necessarily mean the original doesn't exist somewhere else; and we're looking at a reprint/copy from OCR made 20 years ago on a mac that got then got 'discovered'.

      Now, I'm not saying that is the case with George Bush's military service, or even that it is probable or possible in that particular case.

      I'm just saying "haha document was printed from word, not on an IBM selectric, case closed" isn't really valid.

      I found, for example when cleaning out my office a short story I'd written when I was a kid; typed into a TRS-80 using Telewriter 64, and originally printed on an epson dot matix. But the copy i found in my office, was a reprint I'd made 10 years later on an Apple LaserWriter at one of my first jobs; testing OCR software. The epson source document didn't turn up.

      What would font analysis etc "prove" about the time of the original story ? Nothing. It just proves when that copy was made.

    3. Re:Precedent for font analysis by dcavanaugh · · Score: 0

      Was the reprint of your short story presented as an original document by CBS news? I doubt it. Would you try to use your LaserWriter print to prove that you wrote the story as a kid with your TRS-80? Lotsa luck.

      Quoted text from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      The purveyor of the documents, Lt. Col. Bill Burkett, claims to have burned the originals after faxing copies to CBS.

      How incredibly convenient. If I didn't know better, I'd say someone didn't want the paper or toner to be analyzed, not realizing that the font was already a problem.

      In the 60 Minutes segment, anchor Dan Rather stated: "We are told [the documents] were taken from Lieutenant Colonel Killian’s personal files" and incorrectly asserted that "the material" had been authenticated by experts retained by CBS.

      Either CBS producers knew it was a computer-generated print and thought nobody would notice, OR they saw what they wanted to see missed the obvious clues. Considering what a massive embarrassment this was for CBS (not to mention a career-ender for Dan Rather and 4 other people), I find it hard to believe this was simply a case of retyping a few memos. CBS has long since given up trying to convince anyone. After all, no matter what shape the originals were in, if they were legible enough to be retyped, they were legible enough to be photocopied. Unless, of course, the Word memos are partially or completely fabricated, in which case the known facts fit together without rationalization.

    4. Re:Precedent for font analysis by dcavanaugh · · Score: 1

      Before computers, there were typewriters (almost all of which used a Courier font). There was forensic analysis of typed documents, based mostly on matching tiny artifacts and inconsistencies to individual typewriters or possibly a brand/model of typewriter. Modern font forensics is a whole lot easier if all you care about is establishing the approximate year when a font became available. In the Killian documents case, nobody cared about matching the documents to the original typewriter or printer, they cared about whether or not the font existed when the documents were purportedly written. The ability to do this quickly and cheaply is relatively new, enabled by a proliferation of font types. If everyone still used Courier exclusively, it wouldn't be easy to prove anything by merely identifying a font.

    5. Re:Precedent for font analysis by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Fonts existed not only well before typewriters, but well before Gutenburg, and have been used to refute and help confirm the validity of ancient texts. Good luck learning about fonts!

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  35. Re:Guess whose name appears 3,540 times? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll believe in law when Clinton is brought up on war crimes. Until then, nothing but Gorillas fighting for dominance.

  36. Anne Frank syndrome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    This is Anne Frank syndrome. The one who 'wrote' her diaries in ball point pen and ink, which was not available until later years.

    1. Re:Anne Frank syndrome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck you, you disgusting piece of ignorant shit. I hope everyone you love is murdered painfully. I hope you live a long life with an agonizing debilitating disease. I hope there is a fourth reich that wipes you your entire filthy race.

      The original diaries are on public display as well as other things she wrote at the same time.

    2. Re: Anne Frank syndrome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Easy there, Mr Grumpy Pants. Did someone forget to take their meds today?

  37. Re:Guess whose name appears 3,540 times? by quantaman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wow...documents that have been out for over a year are going to now become an issue that will lead to this chain of scandalous events? Sorry, if they were going to be an issue for now President Trump they would have been an issue before he got elected. That's not to say that people like you won't continue to claim there is something when there's nothing...but there really is nothing.

    The Watergate break-in (and arrests) happened June 17, 1972.

    The Saturday Night Massacre was October 20, 1973.

    The impeachment investigation started February 6, 1974

    The first article of impeachment was July 27, 1974.

    Nixon resigned August 8, 1974.

    That's over 2 years from crime to impeachment for a simple break-in/cover up. You think they're going to charge a Presidential candidate, much less a sitting President, for financial crimes after this short an investigation?

    And, in case you haven't been following the news, Trump's escalated war on the DOJ has coincided with news that the Mueller investigation was starting to look into finances. I don't know if Trump is implicated by the Panama Papers specifically, but there's a ridiculous amount of smoke surrounding the Trump Organization.

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  38. Re:Guess whose name appears 3,540 times? by Tjp($)pjT · · Score: 1

    That's not how confirmation works. Have the job, then get reappointed? New confirmation hearing. Confirmed as a Federal Judge but appointed to be on the USSC? That means a new confirmation hearing! If the senate adjourns (breaks for longer than 3 days) POTUS can make a recess appointment which allows the office holder until the end of the next session of congress to hold the office without Senate confirmation. Of course if the Senate confirms them they stay in the position.

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  39. Even worse... by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 2

    So, if you did not like it, would you call it a Comic Sans?

  40. Sans Sharriffe? by colinwb · · Score: 5, Informative

    The pun might not be new, but it was new to me, and I enjoyed it's aptness. I also hope that the pun was partly a nod in the direction of the (un?)famous 1977 April Fools' Day extended hoax by The Guardian: San Serriffe

  41. Re:We're about to lose a corrupt leader too! IMPEA by Tjp($)pjT · · Score: 1

    Conservatives were vocal about constitutional transgressions of Obama but wow. They did not have the former president and former failed candidate backing them with playbook on how to be disruptive. The likely hood Trip will be impeached is nil. The democratic leadership doesn't want Pence as POTUS for one. The other is there is no proof of Russian collusion. Expending the efforts of many US government workers and investigating vigorously the best they have come up with is his son met with a Russian attorney who wanted to discuss getting rid of the sanctions on some Russian citizens. While you may think some Trump staffer's actions, even if family, can bring down Trump, it just isn't so. It has to be Trump's actions. And has to meet the "high crimes and misdemeanors" standard or Trump has to be proven incompetent ... And sadly for you, enacting policy against what you personally believe is appropriate is not incompetence. Trump can declare war on Russia (extremely unlikely scenario) and that is not incompetence. Trump can invade North Korea and wipe it from the face of the earth, still not incompetence. Trump can play water polo and request bills be presented on waterproof paper and sign them in a pool with a space pen. Still not rising to the level of impeachment. Obama wrote EOs that changed legislative intent, circumventing the separation of powers, also wrote EOs that downright created new law effectively, also unconstitutional. The constitution really doesn't allow a Presidential edict to circumvent Congress. No impeachment for Obama. Clinton had sex in the oval office with a staffer, constituting gross misconduct and definitely a violation of the laws against using a position of power to entice sex from a subordinate. And it doesn't matter if she was participatory, he violated the law. He lied to congress. He asked what the definition of "is" is. Clinton was impeached but not found to have risen to the standards for actually being removed from office.

    Good luck trying to get Trump impeached because you don't like the way he's going about doing his job.

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  42. Re:We're about to lose a corrupt leader too! IMPEA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you want civil war then? Because that's what you get when you overturn elections.

  43. Re:Pakistan is a terrorist country by linuxguy · · Score: 0

    A certain percentage of population is always going to be a little messed up in the head. For just about any country.

    We elected Donald Trump, after we found out that he was a thief (Trump Univ.) who stole from the vulnerable, and someone who likes to grab women by their private parts and brags about it to his buddies...

    We shouldn't be pointing fingers at others.

  44. Re:Pakistan is a terrorist country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    How does this get +4 insightful? I guess 4 out of 5 mods like completely fabricated statistics??

  45. They must not have heard of Dan Rather by robkeeney · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You'd think that people would know better than to just toss something off on their computer and back date it by now.The internet will find you out!

    1. Re:They must not have heard of Dan Rather by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      We don't read many news stories about the good forgeries.

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  46. Re:We're about to lose a corrupt leader too! IMPEA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The likely hood [sic] Trip will be impeached is nil

    No. We can argue the degree of probability, but it's definitely non-zero.

    there is no proof of Russian collusion

    Assuming you are not Robert Muelller, then this assertion is currently groundless. We'll see what evidence the investigations uncover in due course

    declare war...play water polo...Still not rising to the level of impeachment

    Incorrect. Impeachment is a political process, not a criminal one, and can be on whatever grounds Congress decides. Maybe they hate water polo a lot more than your realise?

    [Obama and Clinton were terrible]

    Resorting to whataboutism shows how desperately low you've sunk, though you can hardly be blamed when potus45 himself is also spraying the whatabouts around.

    I took out two wagers last year, one that he wouldn't last a full term, and the other that he wouldn't last until the end of 2017. The first bet is clearly in play and I haven't given up on the second yet either. Note also I got 3-1 odds on the first bet. The current price has now dropped to between 11/10 and 4/6, depending on which bookie you use. Just reflect on that - bookies are giving roughly 50/50 odds that he won't survive the term! If you really are so confident that the likelihood of impeachment is nil, then there's a barrowload of profit to be made if you're willing to put your money where your mouth is.

  47. Re:Pakistan is a terrorist country by laie_techie · · Score: 1

    Uh, 10% is an order magnitude too high for LGBT population (inclusive, not just "gay people").

    [Citation needed]

    Wikipedia has an article on this topic. In a July 2014 government survey, 1.4% of Americans self identify as gay or lesbian. A Gallup poll from 2012 showed 3.4% self-identified as LGBT. Note that 3.4% is significantly lower than 10% and higher than 1%, but 1% is close to 1.4% for just gay or lesbian.

  48. Re:Pakistan is a terrorist country by unixisc · · Score: 2, Informative

    B'cos it's true! 3 of the groups I listed are Pakistani Jihadist groups based in Pakistan (1 of them in Pak Kashmir), and the other 2 have their main presence there.

  49. Re:We're about to lose a corrupt leader too! IMPEA by whoever57 · · Score: 1

    And has to meet the "high crimes and misdemeanors" standard or Trump has to be proven incompetent

    Please tell me what is the definition of "high crimes and misdemeanors"?

    You can't because it isn't defined. Congress could decide that jaywalking is a high crime or misdemeanor, and impeach on that basis.

    Impeachment is a political process, not a judicial process.

    --
    The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
  50. Re:Pakistan is a terrorist country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yes and the KKK and NRA have head quarters in US

  51. Re:Pakistan is a terrorist country by unixisc · · Score: 1

    Typical strawman. One is a legitimate organization under laws that SJWs loathe, while the other is a defunct organization w/ just a handful of members that barely does 1 terror act a year either within or outside the US. The groups I listed are all active terror groups in Pakistan that are either active in day to day terror acts within Pakistan itself, or use Pakistan to back terror acts in Afghanistan or Kashmir.

  52. Re:Pakistan is a terrorist country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Typical strawman.

    Well.

    What you said was that everyone in Pakistan is aligned with one terror group or another.

    Which is, of course, blatantly false, and you provide no evidence whatsoever for it, either, since, well, there isn't any such evidence to be had.

    So, why don't you just fuck off, eh?

    Liar.

  53. Now the question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...will there be a new Sharif in town?

  54. Re:Guess whose name appears 3,540 times? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Know whose name was brought up 1700 times in Congress since 1996?

    HITLER!!

    You "But but but but..."

    HITLER!!

    You "WAAAHHHHH MOMMMMYYY!!"

    HITLER!!