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Microsoft Further Pledges Linux Loyalty, Joins Cloud Native Computing Foundation (betanews.com)
BrianFagioli quotes BetaNews: Today, Microsoft further pledges its loyalty to Linux and open source by becoming a platinum member of the Cloud Native Computing Foundation. If you aren't familiar, the CNCF is a part of the well-respected Linux Foundation (of which Microsoft is also a member). With the Windows-maker increasingly focusing its efforts on the cloud -- and profiting from it -- this seems like a match made in heaven. In fact, Dan Kohn, Executive Director of the foundation says, "We are honored to have Microsoft, widely recognized as one of the most important enterprise technology and cloud providers in the world, join CNCF as a platinum member."
"CNCF is a part of the Linux Foundation, which helps govern for a wide range of cloud-oriented open source projects, such as Kubernetes, Prometheus, OpenTracing, Fluentd, Linkerd, containerd, Helm, gRPC, and many others," says John Gossman Azure Architect, Microsoft. "Since we joined the Linux Foundation last year, and now have decided to expand that relationship to CNCF membership as a natural next step to invest in open source communities and code at multiple levels, especially in the area of containers."
The announcement notes that Microsoft has already been contributing code to the Kubernetes project, "as well as running Kubernetes as part of the Azure Container Service."
"CNCF is a part of the Linux Foundation, which helps govern for a wide range of cloud-oriented open source projects, such as Kubernetes, Prometheus, OpenTracing, Fluentd, Linkerd, containerd, Helm, gRPC, and many others," says John Gossman Azure Architect, Microsoft. "Since we joined the Linux Foundation last year, and now have decided to expand that relationship to CNCF membership as a natural next step to invest in open source communities and code at multiple levels, especially in the area of containers."
The announcement notes that Microsoft has already been contributing code to the Kubernetes project, "as well as running Kubernetes as part of the Azure Container Service."
is less and less and operating system creator, and more and more a cloud vendor. It makes sense.
Embrace --- You are here
Extend
Extinguish
There is rain. The rain being your data.
The rich often make huge contributions to organizations like hospitals and universities. The unspoken understanding is that these 'donations' are for 'future considerations'; at some point in the future, they will 'ask' for special treatment of some kind: preferential medical treatment, or admission to the school for their kid, whether the kid is up to snuff or not.
So it is with Microsoft and Linux, but more sinister: As I keep telling you all, Microsoft would like nothing better than to destroy Linux and any other 'competing' operating system. Short of that, the annexation and subversion of Linux as a whole is an acceptable alternative to them. Insinuating themselves into the Linux community, with moves like expensive 'memberships' in Linux-oriented organzations, is a move in that direction. When they have bought enough influence, they can dictate the direction Linux goes. Between subverting Linux into 'just another piece of software' that runs UNDER Windows, and the ability to completely exclude any other OS than Windows from even booting up on any modern platform, Microsoft can become the de-facto OWNER of Linux, and then do whatever they please with it. Don't ever say you weren't warned.
systemd, MS "pledging loyalty" to it, etc...
BSD isnt just better. It also has a better license.
It does actually. What you just described is that Linux keeps getting better, and even Microsoft realized that they have no chance of beating it anywhere but in the homes of the clueless.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
It's just an industry consortium. Perhaps a tad better than the MPEG-LA, but not much different than USB.org or similar consortia.
Hasn't much to do with the ideals of free software.
Actually, if you read that announcement, you'll discover the very kind of weasel-wordery typical for that kind of associations.
Microsoft's a blight, stuffing ballots, poisoning standardization processes, bribing decision makers, spying on users and using their market power to sell inferior products. Your typical big-corp sociopathic behaviour.
Until Micro$oft stops pretending that Linux (and therefore Android) are using their patents or are at least willing to say just which patents these are it's just more Micro$soft bullsh*t. When words and actions disagree, believe the actions.
"Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" was a real sentiment for so long within Microsoft. I can still remember the late 80s and early 90s when their tactics were to "buy and put on a shelf" or "litigate out of existence" so many companies and products that we would still love to see today. The do not have my heart. They do not have my mind. And I'm not buying a Windows license for a third-tier hypervisor or for a platform to run my free, open-source, well-built, stable operating system on. The Ballmer days were a shit show of antipathy of and to everything else in the tech world, to every product or company that *might* compete with them. From screwing with Tobi Oetiker and the Samba Team to bungling every smart phone they've ever touched Microsoft has constantly been a dark force in a world potentially filled with infinite light. And let us not forget the SCO proxy war against Linux, which they funded. They are a collection of borderline sociopaths that built their wealth on a half-finished, insecure operating system that required constant updating, most of which was "for pay." Today their underlying OS changes very little, very slowly, because they simply rearrange Userland (including more eye candy) and call that "new and improved" then charge for that. Then the underlying problems remain unresolved, waiting for yet another release. That Microsoft takes a keen interest in Linux and BSD scares the shit out of me for the future of both Linux and BSD. They are not to be trusted in their motives or means. Perhaps that will change in another 40 years. Perhaps not. But for the time being, keep your Microsoft out of my Linux and BSDs. No good can come from trusting them.
whatever floats your boat, dude. Did you remember to take your meds?
Or buy Cannonical.
Somebody is writing as if they believe that a major corporation with unlimited amounts of cash joining a trade group reveals anything about that corporation's intent with regard to that trade group's goals or anything else.
1) Abuse, pretending to be friendly --- In the area of Microsoft's Linux abuse, you are here.
2) Sneaky abuse, not widely reported because technology people make more money protecting against it.
3) EXTREME ABUSE!
One example of Microsoft's ABUSE step 3: Windows 10 is possibly the worst spyware ever made. Quote: "Buried in the service agreement is permission to poke through everything on your PC."
Well I am not concerned about Microsoft pledges, the big worry is the Corporatization of Open of Free software. There are hundreds of examples of that happening and easy enough to find.
Already we see no push back on proprietary blobs/firmware. I almost would like to see this as a requirement: "If you do not support Open Firmware, you cannot have any decision input on the direction of Linux" or any related project.
Parent comment about Microsoft: "blight, stuffing ballots, poisoning, bribing, spying, inferior products, sociopathic"
Some people are too accepting of Microsoft. Where is mention of all the other worse abuses?
Big M's often used MO when they can't directly beat kill something is to embrace and extinguish.
This sounds like the 'embrace' step.
The way to see if they are actually supporting Linux is to see if their flagship apps start working on both using the Linux system calls.
Holding your breath waiting for this is not recommended.
It is depressing to attend a Linux users group and see that practically everyone there is carrying around a proprietary spy-machine. If anyone should grok the dangers of giving money to Google and Apple, it should be Linux users. But even they are blithely following the sheep. Help me RMS you're our only hope...
While I've never liked using Windows, I have to admit that it wasn't Microsoft that forced things like systemd, Gnome 3, PulseAudio and NetworkManager into the Linux distros I used to like to use. In fact, I really like using their VSCode editor for doing C++ dev on Linux.
When I look at who has hurt my Linux experience, it hasn't been Microsoft. It has in fact been some of the most prominent Linux vendors. If anyone is 'embracing, extending and extinguishing' Linux, I think it is them.
With only hobbyist Linux distros now not forcing systemd on me, I've been forced to move to FreeBSD. It wasn't Microsoft that made me ditch Linux; it was the Linux community itself that did that.
Literally the only way to win at this point is a threefold:
open hardware
return to niche software
excise the (corporate/sjw/interpersonal) cancer(s)
Basically in order to regain what many people thought the movement was about, we would have to lose mainstream status by in part or in whole reversing popular (but technically shortsighted) decisions, trudging through many of the same issues that were at hand during the 80s-00s, only now with much more complicated hardware that can take YEARS to develop drivers for (some of which are much more open, and many of which are even less open than in the past.)
For anyone who has had a doubt though, the Linux Foundation definitely is a snake in the grass of the Linux community, no matter who it employs, supports etc. The choices at this point are throwing away linux and starting from scratch (as linux once did due to minix's unfavorable licensing and BSD's legal issues of the time), migrating to a BSD (some driver support, better stability in many cornercases than Linux, less user friendly configuration, more tied to a specific userspace version, less support for apps, unless utilizing the linux abi), or forking linux, fixing a number of its longstanding issues (like adding versioned ABIs separated into modules for long term driver support, ensuring the core kernel footprint continues fitting inside arch/bootloader limitations (I'm looking at you sparc32/sparc64/i486/etc) and various other things that were intentionally broken/removed over the years.)
On the bright side, there have already been pushes at the userspace level to change things. Musl libc has done a good job working around the mess of glibc. While it has had a few CVEs of its own (one or two of which could be dangerous) it is a far cleaner codebase, easily portable to new arches, has a few OS ports going on (notably a win32/64 port for common 'posix clean' libc functionality across linux/windows). Additionally there is pcc, openwatcom-v2, and a few others as far as compilers go. Not all of them can compete with gcc/clang, but given a focus of developer energies we could back away from C++ as a core requirement, and perhaps move back to C compilers in C, with optional optimization passes handled through intermediate language output, in whatever language is best suited. Leaving the basic compiler clean while still allowing all the bloated new optimizations that people seem to clamor for (even as many of them offer negligable improvements for older/non-standard processors or well written software, while taking an inordinate number of extra cycles to get a basic compilation done.)
While I focused on the software above, the hardware requirement has become critical now that all processors have what amounts to a 'big brother processor' in there, even if they are not being used as such today. An embedded processor/secure environment like the Intel ME, AMD PSP, or ARM Trustzone are fine *IF* the user has the capability to set their own key as well as (with physical access) to disable the manufacturer key (if not simply omitted/set as a rewritable default.) Done properly resetting the key would not give away old key data (similiar to the 'ideal' TPM module handling, but without the manufacturer baked in keys), while allowing the user to set/reset the key as they felt the need, ensuring the security of data they didn't want leaking while also allowing reuse of the system in the event that old authentication information was lost. Without the option to change the keys, compromise of a manufacturer's key with a method of disabling/replacing the software is currency a deathknell security-wise to the integrity of such systems. Whether RISCV, J-core, another 'open hardware' design, or better yet a combination of a multiple open CPU cores using (a) standardized chip package(s) along with an open motherboard design they can all be verified and operated against, would solve point 1 of the war losses.
Point three, excising the cancers, is no different than the requirement for social nerd-dom in ge
Does this title really claim that Microsoft is showing loyalty to Linux? Microsoft is battling for cloud dominance just like every cloud vendor. They are joining because it makes business sense, not to show any loyalty to anything Linux related. It's quite a jump to assume that Microsoft is pledging loyalty to a competing product simply by making a business move.
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Just like they threatened to do to Linux :)
Maybe it is time to put together a kickstart patent fund to sue Microsoft out of existence? I'm sure there are lots of people who COULD get software patents working on open source who don't, whether due to lack of money or lack of need.
Get a few of them filing money for the patents to use against proprietary software and lawyer up. It'll take a few (dozen) years, but we could ruin microsoft and companies like them, using their own tools against them. Best of all, said patents could then provide a shield to other free software projects if any other companies try and slap them down over patent disputes.
Watch out Linux!!!
So long as user tracking remains a focus of Microsoft consumer-oriented OS's, Microsoft can "pledge Linux loyalty" all they want. Strategically, Microsoft and Linux are at opposite ends of the spectrum on the tracking issue. It appears that any "loyalty" offered by Microsoft is little more than lip service.
Or Embrace, extend, and exterminate...
Microsoft is just heeding the old adage: Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer. Microsoft is no friend of Linux. Trust Microsoft at your own peril.
Time to switch to FreeBSD!
Progressivism: Parasites helping parasites to help themselves - to other people's stuff.
Again, and again, and again...
vos nescitis quicquam, nec cogitatis quia expedit nobis ut unus moriatur homo pro populo et non tota gens pereat.
That entirely depends on what you consider "better". I don't want a corporation taking my libre code and charging people for it, or remixing it into a closed product they can sell.
The BSDs allow for kleptocrats to leech from the libre software world and give nothing back.
Embrace, Extend and Extinguish.
I don't want a corporation taking my libre code and charging people for it, or remixing it into a closed product they can sell.
If that's true, then you don't support free, libre, open source software. You want to impose a form of tyranny.
If you really supported free, libre, open source software then you wouldn't care who uses your code and how they use it.
That's what 'libre' means: you can't tell other people what to do.
Don't pretend to support liberty and freedom when what you really want is tyranny.
But when these ostriches do they will kill this. Just a FYI.
open source projects, such as Kubernetes, Prometheus, OpenTracing, Fluentd, Linkerd, containerd, Helm, gRPC
That looks like name dropping: Half of them do not have a Wikipedia page, some do not even show on top when doing an internet search.
rofl throwing out linux... lol what are you? an m$ shill lol...
linux is finally getting there and you want to throw it away lol...
> Don't pretend to support liberty and freedom when what you really want is tyranny.
Just show your support to that NK guy when he comes and sets up a party. Vote for him, because if the people is truly free they're also free to vote for a tyrant.
Or when Russia chooses to do the same with a puppet candidate, just vote for him and show everyone how America is free.
BSD is a cool system, no doubt. It is a source of ideas for Linux and I find it great when we can pay back somehow.
That said, BSD license idea is "you can do anything including killing Freedom". Forgive me if I see it as moronic.
Don't blame the free software movement for that. The free software hackers who make the Linux-libre variant of the Linux kernel spend time deblobbing the upstream kernel (Linus Torvald's variant) which contains non-free software. This difference is at the heart of the philosophical difference between the older free software movement and the younger open source development methodology. They don't see proprietary (non-free, user-subjugating) software the same way.
The GNU Project points out:
Digital Citizen
Todays SJW, nerds and geeks seem to have missed the fun first part.
Embrace. Its the fun and friendly part with the very best PR money can buy.
Lots of SWJ terms and projects, funds and support.
The extend part is not really about going to market. Something will be extracted for future use.
Extinguish remains the final step.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
has Microsoft brought out *any* product running on linux?
Atari rules... ermm... ruled.
and most of it still boils down to, "It's Microsoft. Don't trust them. They've done this before."
Couldn't we have written that first and all gone home. Not that I disagree. I lit a candle for Miscrosoft when they tried to force the Washington State School Districts to buy a Windows licence for every machine in the system, even the Apples that could not run Windows.
also known as Engulf and Devour.
Redmond...the home of stolen markets worldwide