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Microsoft Further Pledges Linux Loyalty, Joins Cloud Native Computing Foundation (betanews.com)

Posted by EditorDavid on from the extending-an-embrace dept.

BrianFagioli quotes BetaNews: Today, Microsoft further pledges its loyalty to Linux and open source by becoming a platinum member of the Cloud Native Computing Foundation. If you aren't familiar, the CNCF is a part of the well-respected Linux Foundation (of which Microsoft is also a member). With the Windows-maker increasingly focusing its efforts on the cloud -- and profiting from it -- this seems like a match made in heaven. In fact, Dan Kohn, Executive Director of the foundation says, "We are honored to have Microsoft, widely recognized as one of the most important enterprise technology and cloud providers in the world, join CNCF as a platinum member."

"CNCF is a part of the Linux Foundation, which helps govern for a wide range of cloud-oriented open source projects, such as Kubernetes, Prometheus, OpenTracing, Fluentd, Linkerd, containerd, Helm, gRPC, and many others," says John Gossman Azure Architect, Microsoft. "Since we joined the Linux Foundation last year, and now have decided to expand that relationship to CNCF membership as a natural next step to invest in open source communities and code at multiple levels, especially in the area of containers."
The announcement notes that Microsoft has already been contributing code to the Kubernetes project, "as well as running Kubernetes as part of the Azure Container Service."

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  1. EEE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Embrace --- You are here
    Extend
    Extinguish

    1. Re:EEE by d.w.mitchell.55 · · Score: 1

      Maybe we should getting familiar with the "BSDs" before phase 3?

  2. Where there's clouds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    There is rain. The rain being your data.

  3. Buying them one donation at a time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    The rich often make huge contributions to organizations like hospitals and universities. The unspoken understanding is that these 'donations' are for 'future considerations'; at some point in the future, they will 'ask' for special treatment of some kind: preferential medical treatment, or admission to the school for their kid, whether the kid is up to snuff or not.

    So it is with Microsoft and Linux, but more sinister: As I keep telling you all, Microsoft would like nothing better than to destroy Linux and any other 'competing' operating system. Short of that, the annexation and subversion of Linux as a whole is an acceptable alternative to them. Insinuating themselves into the Linux community, with moves like expensive 'memberships' in Linux-oriented organzations, is a move in that direction. When they have bought enough influence, they can dictate the direction Linux goes. Between subverting Linux into 'just another piece of software' that runs UNDER Windows, and the ability to completely exclude any other OS than Windows from even booting up on any modern platform, Microsoft can become the de-facto OWNER of Linux, and then do whatever they please with it. Don't ever say you weren't warned.

    1. Re:Buying them one donation at a time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because their pattern of behavior says otherwise. Do you let a career criminal, who has been convicted and incarcerated several times, out of prison just on his word that he's 'reformed' and 'wants to be a good citizen'? No. They have to prove, over years or even decades, that they are sincere and can be trusted. Look at the dirty shit that Microsoft has done with the Windows 10 rollout: Forcing it on people with Windows 7 whether they asked for it or not. Taking away people's right to choose what is and is not updated, essentially removing their right of ownership of their own hardware. Insering ads into things that should never have ads. LYING through their teeth about 'Windows 10 adoption' when at least HALF of it was without anyones express permission to install it. They have made it amply clear that they want to dominate the market, and have a long past history of dirty dealing with consumers; now we're supposed to trust that they don't want to subvert or destroy their only competitors in any way they can? Go fuck yourself, Microsoft shill. You're so goddamned obvious that it's laughable.

    2. Re:Buying them one donation at a time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Translation: "My hatred for Micr0$haft is what defines my nerd cred, and I am unable to let it go. Also, I still live in my mother's basement, so I am unaware that it is no longer the 90s,"

      Seriously, MS has fucked some things up, even recently, but no worse than Apple or Google. To single them out for things EVERYONE does, and ignore the positive things they are doing, makes you an anti-MS shill, with nothing useful to add to the conversation.

    3. Re:Buying them one donation at a time by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Mistakes" is putting it lightly. Microsoft actively attempted to destroy Linux at one point (via SCO's lawsuit). Yes, now it has been forced to play nice, and while I'm not fanatically anti-MS, I see no reason to trust them. They're only playing nice right now because Android has utterly fucked over their market dominance in the consumer computing world.

      And while Google and Apple have done their share of nasty or stupid things, the only other company I can think of that rises to MS's level of assholery is Oracle.

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    4. Re: Buying them one donation at a time by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      You must be very fortunate indeed never to have had a Windows cease to boot properly.

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    5. Re: Buying them one donation at a time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "MS never made my Linux systems fail to boot properly"

      Cough. It's called uefi on branded laptops and if it wasnt for exploits your windows rt tablets would be worthless because when ms abandoned the platform they werent going to let you do anything else with the hardware that you own.

    6. Re:Buying them one donation at a time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > I'm so sick of the nerd rage. Has MS killed your puppy? The 90s called, they want their MS monopoly paranoia back. Badly.

      And the big bad wolf is now vegan, the lion is dying and wants to name me its heir etc. etc.

      I believe MS likes Linux and it would like it more if it were its property. For now, it's just patents, who knows if it'll manage to take possession of the Linux brand? I guess MS will like Linux even more when it becomes MS Linux.

      MS is a corporation, and a for-profit one. They're not out to be cool, to make friends, they don't even be inventive, creative or innovative -- they want money. M-O-N-E-Y, capisce? A Microsoft dude might be a cool, reasonable guy. I believe Satya is one such dude, probably even interesting to talk to. That said, Microsoft is a monster and it needs great quantities of food on a daily basis. It's food is markets and Linux has all those markets on which Microsoft isn't. They're not here to share the desktop. They want to get into supercomputers, servers and mobile.

      They have zero interest in becoming your or my friend.

      I'd believe some inside MS began to understand where they're heading and that it pays to be a respected member of the tech community. They may prevail or not. It depends on internal political struggle and we really cannot know how will the beast behave in the near future. What I know is that those who "befriended" it are either dead or inside its belly.

    7. Re:Buying them one donation at a time by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Informative

      You forgot telemetry entirely. Oh, we're hardly collecting anything, and you can disable it. Oh, we're collecting a bit of data, but it's anonymized, and you can disable most of it. Oh, we're collecting a pretty fair bit of data, and it's kind of anonymized, and you can disable some of it. Oh, we can actually collect every keystroke from your PC, and by the way, get fucked. And while we're at it, we're going to release a dozen different "security" updates for Windows 7 and 8 to push it back into there, and if you don't install those, then we'll stop releasing individual updates and just start pushing out update rollups which include the telemetry-related updates, and then you have to go back and remove them again after the fact if you don't want to be spied upon.

      There's nothing about or from Microsoft that is not some kind of scam.

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    8. Re: Buying them one donation at a time by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      And how specifically is systems causing your issues. I'm no fan of systems but frankly the number of ACs making pretty vapid claims about it producing instability makesmme suspicious.

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    9. Re:Buying them one donation at a time by chipschap · · Score: 1

      I don't care very much what Microsoft does as long as they leave me alone. I don't care who runs Windows, who thinks Windows is objectively better, etc. To each his own.

      I run Linux and I'm happy with that, and for me, end of story. If you run Linux too, cool. If you run Windows or Mac, go for it. Whatever.

      However, I do care when Microsoft starts to threaten Linux in the name of "cooperation." Yes, they are a for-profit company, I get that. But if they become completely dominant (and UEFI was a step in that direction) we will have lost all computing freedom and all computing privacy (or at least whatever is still left).

      It will be like the old-old days when IBM rented their computers and completely dictated terms.

    10. Re:Buying them one donation at a time by pslytely+psycho · · Score: 1

      Year of the Linux Desktop, proudly brought to you by Microsoft.

      We are living the old curse..."May you live in interesting times."

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    11. Re:Buying them one donation at a time by slashrio · · Score: 1

      And maybe someone (wikileaks?) should check out Lennard's pay slips.

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    12. Re: Buying them one donation at a time by slashrio · · Score: 1

      Maybe, but off-topic. What he says about MS is deeply true.

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    13. Re:Buying them one donation at a time by Rob+Y. · · Score: 1

      Yep. Microsoft hasn't changed - what's changed is who their enemy is. It used to be that the 'enemy' was anybody who produced desktop software or operating systems. Linux certainly made the cut - but so, also, did Netscape, Novell and anyone who could derail their plan of Microsoft software in every device supported by unavoidable fees baked in - plus hefty fees to corporate customers.

      Then, along came Google and proved there were other business models that could produce huge amounts of income. Not only did Microsoft want to get in on that income stream, they also wanted to deny it to any competitor that had the potential of eroding their core business. And Google went on to oblige by taking over the web browser market and the mobile phone markets. Google docs even showed that it was possible to do what MSOffice does - for free. Yes, Docs isn't a one-for-one competitor, but as a proof of concept, it scared the shit out of MS. Likewise ChromeOS.

      And in the meantime, along came the rest of the web to demonstrate that the entire desktop software paradigm was out the window - except for some specific use cases that we can ignore for the purposes of this argument. And the new paradigm was based on Linux servers. Somewhere along the line they finally gave up on Windows Phone - which was probably their last connection to their old business model of selling software. Sure, they're still raking it in on patent extortion, but that can't last forever...

      So now they're trying to adapt - and doing a pretty decent job of it. They've still got enough corporations hooked on MSOffice and/or some 3rd party Windows-only app to carry them forward for a while, but their enemy today is Amazon. And Amazon is Linux - so if they want to lure AWS customers to Azure, they need to support Linux well. Still, not the best of motives from our point of view - so all things being equal'ish, I'd still prefer to avoid them whenever possible.

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    14. Re:Buying them one donation at a time by messymerry · · Score: 1

      Microsoft still pops up an instant dialog trying to get users to format ext drives. When they stop doing this, then i will consider whether they are sincere about playing nice with Linux...

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  4. Re:Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    'Cloud vendor', my ass. They're technological fascists with ambitions of dictatorship.

  5. Re:Must feel great to be a long-time Linux support by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It does actually. What you just described is that Linux keeps getting better, and even Microsoft realized that they have no chance of beating it anywhere but in the homes of the clueless.

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  6. But still applying the patents FUD by Fudoka · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Until Micro$oft stops pretending that Linux (and therefore Android) are using their patents or are at least willing to say just which patents these are it's just more Micro$soft bullsh*t. When words and actions disagree, believe the actions.

    1. Re:But still applying the patents FUD by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Go back to mommy's basement, child. The adults are trying to have a conversation.

      Where are they? All I can see is trolls not old enough to remember Compu$erve.

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    2. Re:But still applying the patents FUD by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Until Micro$oft stops pretending

      Yeah I know. I can't believe companies are sending many millions of dollars to Microsoft without doing due diligence!

    3. Re:But still applying the patents FUD by chipschap · · Score: 1

      The adults are trying to have a conversation.

      The "adults" are not ACs.

    4. Re:But still applying the patents FUD by antdude · · Score: 1

      Talk is cheap. :/

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  7. MS still has about 40 years of make-up work to do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" was a real sentiment for so long within Microsoft. I can still remember the late 80s and early 90s when their tactics were to "buy and put on a shelf" or "litigate out of existence" so many companies and products that we would still love to see today. The do not have my heart. They do not have my mind. And I'm not buying a Windows license for a third-tier hypervisor or for a platform to run my free, open-source, well-built, stable operating system on. The Ballmer days were a shit show of antipathy of and to everything else in the tech world, to every product or company that *might* compete with them. From screwing with Tobi Oetiker and the Samba Team to bungling every smart phone they've ever touched Microsoft has constantly been a dark force in a world potentially filled with infinite light. And let us not forget the SCO proxy war against Linux, which they funded. They are a collection of borderline sociopaths that built their wealth on a half-finished, insecure operating system that required constant updating, most of which was "for pay." Today their underlying OS changes very little, very slowly, because they simply rearrange Userland (including more eye candy) and call that "new and improved" then charge for that. Then the underlying problems remain unresolved, waiting for yet another release. That Microsoft takes a keen interest in Linux and BSD scares the shit out of me for the future of both Linux and BSD. They are not to be trusted in their motives or means. Perhaps that will change in another 40 years. Perhaps not. But for the time being, keep your Microsoft out of my Linux and BSDs. No good can come from trusting them.

  8. Spot the error by AlanObject · · Score: 2

    Somebody is writing as if they believe that a major corporation with unlimited amounts of cash joining a trade group reveals anything about that corporation's intent with regard to that trade group's goals or anything else.

  9. 3 steps: A... A... A! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    1) Abuse, pretending to be friendly --- In the area of Microsoft's Linux abuse, you are here.

    2) Sneaky abuse, not widely reported because technology people make more money protecting against it.

    3) EXTREME ABUSE!

    One example of Microsoft's ABUSE step 3: Windows 10 is possibly the worst spyware ever made. Quote: "Buried in the service agreement is permission to poke through everything on your PC."

  10. Corporatization by jmccue · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well I am not concerned about Microsoft pledges, the big worry is the Corporatization of Open of Free software. There are hundreds of examples of that happening and easy enough to find.

    Already we see no push back on proprietary blobs/firmware. I almost would like to see this as a requirement: "If you do not support Open Firmware, you cannot have any decision input on the direction of Linux" or any related project.

    1. Re:Corporatization by grumpy-cowboy · · Score: 1

      Yes, same thing happened to W3C...

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      Will $CURRENT_YEAR be the year of the Linux Desktop?
  11. Red Alert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Big M's often used MO when they can't directly beat kill something is to embrace and extinguish.

    This sounds like the 'embrace' step.

    The way to see if they are actually supporting Linux is to see if their flagship apps start working on both using the Linux system calls.
    Holding your breath waiting for this is not recommended.

  12. meanwhile, folks who should know better... by jabberw0k · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It is depressing to attend a Linux users group and see that practically everyone there is carrying around a proprietary spy-machine. If anyone should grok the dangers of giving money to Google and Apple, it should be Linux users. But even they are blithely following the sheep. Help me RMS you're our only hope...

    1. Re:meanwhile, folks who should know better... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      It's basically proof that people prefer features over freedom. Not that I can hold them blameless......there are a few pieces of software I really need...........

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    2. Re:meanwhile, folks who should know better... by thejynxed · · Score: 1

      It isn't just that, it's the fact that international conglomerates hold international patents on pretty much anything and everything involving hardware and the associated firmware. What good is any OSS for hardware if it can't run or is otherwise severely crippled (looking at you in particular, GPU, printer, and most networking and sound card drivers). For things like the GPU drivers, it is highly doubtful they will ever become truly open because the major makers like AMD and nvidia license patented tech from third-parties in their designs and driver software, and Intel is always way behind on the hardware & feature end.

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    3. Re:meanwhile, folks who should know better... by jabberw0k · · Score: 1

      Which is exactly why anyone giving those companies any money whatsoever, does themselves actual harm. Stop hurting yourselves, folks!

  13. Microsoft didn't force systemd on me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    While I've never liked using Windows, I have to admit that it wasn't Microsoft that forced things like systemd, Gnome 3, PulseAudio and NetworkManager into the Linux distros I used to like to use. In fact, I really like using their VSCode editor for doing C++ dev on Linux.

    When I look at who has hurt my Linux experience, it hasn't been Microsoft. It has in fact been some of the most prominent Linux vendors. If anyone is 'embracing, extending and extinguishing' Linux, I think it is them.

    With only hobbyist Linux distros now not forcing systemd on me, I've been forced to move to FreeBSD. It wasn't Microsoft that made me ditch Linux; it was the Linux community itself that did that.

  14. Re: Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Hmm..

    Apple... there's no ambitions or market domination there
    VMware... truly inferior technology at premium prices who make 95% of their sales based on customer loyalty via almost religious beliefs
    NetApp and EMC... why make good tech when we can just exploit government contracts... wait... all our tech is basically obsolete but so long as we can force governments to buy it, we're good.
    HPe... let's buy companies who have loyal customers and 5 year lock ins, fire all their developers and outsource to India and make use of "Too Big to Fail" clauses to rape the customers.
    Cisco... our stuff is better because its Cisco. Buy this tech! Ok, you blew a million on it and it doesn't work? Oh, try this newer tech instead. Doesn't work after another million, we have this other product to sell you.
    Google... no really... it's free... really all of it. That way if every competitor goes out of business, you have to use our stuff and we'll make everyone pay for everyone else. No... we don't actually want world domination. Really. 5 years later, Eric Schmidt and Sergei Brin get hit by a rough flying bus at burning man and the board hires Meg Whitman... enough said
    RedHat, Ubuntu, and most other companies are all about the same.

    I think it was said best in Animal House... Thank you sir, may I have another.

  15. Loyalty? by sqorbit · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Does this title really claim that Microsoft is showing loyalty to Linux? Microsoft is battling for cloud dominance just like every cloud vendor. They are joining because it makes business sense, not to show any loyalty to anything Linux related. It's quite a jump to assume that Microsoft is pledging loyalty to a competing product simply by making a business move.

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  16. Windows? Loyalty? by Neuronwelder · · Score: 1

    Watch out Linux!!!

  17. Microsoft tracking... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

    So long as user tracking remains a focus of Microsoft consumer-oriented OS's, Microsoft can "pledge Linux loyalty" all they want. Strategically, Microsoft and Linux are at opposite ends of the spectrum on the tracking issue. It appears that any "loyalty" offered by Microsoft is little more than lip service.

  18. Keep your enemies closer by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 4, Informative

    Microsoft is just heeding the old adage: Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer. Microsoft is no friend of Linux. Trust Microsoft at your own peril.

  19. This proves it! by HanzoSpam · · Score: 1

    Time to switch to FreeBSD!

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    1. Re:This proves it! by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      Time to switch to FreeBSD!

      If only it were up to the task. BSD has a good decade or so worth of catch up to do. Good luck with that crowd. They can be abrasive.

  20. Embrace, extend, extinguish. by intellitech · · Score: 1

    Again, and again, and again...

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  21. Re:The Linux Foundation. Pfft. by HiThere · · Score: 1

    You're pretty much right about the "Linux Foundation". "Well respected" isn't a reasonable description, unless you specify who is doing the respecting. The Linux Foundation has a history of questionable decisions and actions, and is actually less to be trusted than is Red Hat (which *used* to be reasonably trusted).

    Actually, calling a agent "respected" is PR fluff unless you specify who is doing the respected. With the proper groups doing the respecting you could get "internationally respected bank robber" being a valid description. *I* respect Linus, but there are lots of people who don't. I also respect RMS, but again there are lots of people who don't. Note that this doesn't make *any* of us wrong. We may be judging by different criteria.

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  22. Re: Microsoft by TheOuterLinux · · Score: 1

    Yes...? He said cloud vendor. Same thing. Kill the desktop and turn everyone into data to be mined while still charging a monthly fee for open source software people voluntarily contribute to make, yet you still have to have your own server to run. Same regime, different platform, and new heard of cattle. Peer pressure and midlife crises as the glue. Developers are getting lazy, cloud vendors keep making it easy to build web apps, and no one is asking questions because there's too much money.

  23. Nobody at M$ management has noticed yet. by sproketboy · · Score: 1

    But when these ostriches do they will kill this. Just a FYI.

    1. Re:Nobody at M$ management has noticed yet. by schleimkeim · · Score: 1

      Management usually only notices things when there are red numbers on the report.

  24. Name dropping by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    open source projects, such as Kubernetes, Prometheus, OpenTracing, Fluentd, Linkerd, containerd, Helm, gRPC

    That looks like name dropping: Half of them do not have a Wikipedia page, some do not even show on top when doing an internet search.

  25. Proprietary software is always untrustworthy. by jbn-o · · Score: 1

    Don't blame the free software movement for that. The free software hackers who make the Linux-libre variant of the Linux kernel spend time deblobbing the upstream kernel (Linus Torvald's variant) which contains non-free software. This difference is at the heart of the philosophical difference between the older free software movement and the younger open source development methodology. They don't see proprietary (non-free, user-subjugating) software the same way.

    The GNU Project points out:

    ...people from the free software movement and the open source camp often work together on practical projects such as software development. It is remarkable that such different philosophical views can so often motivate different people to participate in the same projects. Nonetheless, there are situations where these fundamentally different views lead to very different actions.

    The idea of open source is that allowing users to change and redistribute the software will make it more powerful and reliable. But this is not guaranteed. Developers of proprietary software are not necessarily incompetent. Sometimes they produce a program that is powerful and reliable, even though it does not respect the users' freedom. Free software activists and open source enthusiasts will react very differently to that.

    A pure open source enthusiast, one that is not at all influenced by the ideals of free software, will say, "I am surprised you were able to make the program work so well without using our development model, but you did. How can I get a copy?" This attitude will reward schemes that take away our freedom, leading to its loss.

    The free software activist will say, "Your program is very attractive, but I value my freedom more. So I reject your program. I will get my work done some other way, and support a project to develop a free replacement." If we value our freedom, we can act to maintain and defend it.

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  26. Embrace, extract and extinguish by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    Todays SJW, nerds and geeks seem to have missed the fun first part.
    Embrace. Its the fun and friendly part with the very best PR money can buy.
    Lots of SWJ terms and projects, funds and support.
    The extend part is not really about going to market. Something will be extracted for future use.
    Extinguish remains the final step.

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  27. Re:Microsoft by slashrio · · Score: 1

    Makes sense indeed.
    Become a member and sabotage the whole damn thing.

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  28. can I buy visio for linux yet? by Gunstick · · Score: 1

    has Microsoft brought out *any* product running on linux?

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    1. Re:can I buy visio for linux yet? by ElizabethGreene · · Score: 1

      SQL server 2017 is one.

  29. Re: Microsoft by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

    Red Hat and Canonical suck. If I could have any OS be dominant, it would be Haiku/BeOS. It's still the best OS ever made, both technically and from a usability standpoint.

    Stop drinking. If Beos were any good it would be running Macs right now instead of BSD. I've tried it, it simply isn't up to the task. They shouldn't be upset at that assessment. Unix/Linux has outlasted many predictions of death. It's here because it's so good.

  30. Embrace and Expand by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

    also known as Engulf and Devour.
    Redmond...the home of stolen markets worldwide

  31. Re:Microsoft by KingBenny · · Score: 1

    ah, +1 for right on spot ... microsoft is what made me start a chinese flash drive collection. I come home one day, i cant get on skype. Three days later i still cant, i succeed in getting some cs rep with a title half an email long to reply. Says i "violated the agreement" ... i say : what did i do the dude bluntly stated : "we dont have to give you a reason and this is the last communication you will receive on this" so i didnt get to backup anything from my onedrive, lost all skype contacts and im left guessing as to what exactly i breached so no more cloud for me unless i have cold backups, its easy and i'll use the free bits (its just personal use ofcourse) but if my data isnt mine then i seriously wouldnt consider paying for it and im simply not going to use it anymore, xept google photos to some extent since i can dump unlimited, i can dump, clear my cards and sort later, other than that i found a nice tool on linux b/c of that ( sudo apt-get -y install f3 #f3write f3read f3probe f3fix test flash drives for ) see for yourself, its nice to find out which drive is actually what it says if you collect lots of cheap ones but i still lost a few people i liked talking to and a lot of data that has zero but emotional value and thus cannot be replace b/c i believed (how stupid is that) my data was stored more safe than iit would be on a flash drive or an ssd at home and seeing as i did some math ... $40 for 120gb ssd kingston which is said to last 1 million hours of actual usage, compared to a yearly sub for 120gb cloud storage ... thats not even a choice that has to be made lol and before i get flagged off-topic ... i can see only one reason why they would, because they're edisonians, just to pite ideas they can get for free and put it in mastodont-OS 11, agreed :) microfascst *** f***s

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