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Facebook Funds 'Defending Digital Democracy' Initiative At Harvard (diginomica.com)

An anonymous reader quotes Diginomica: A fresh initiative aimed at information sharing about election threats and dubbed Defending Digital Democracy has the financial support of Facebook and the academic muscle of Harvard behind it. Will the project succeed where similar initiatives have failed...? On 19 July and backed by a $500,000 initial grant from Facebook, the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs at Harvard Kennedy School launched a new, bipartisan initiative called the Defending Digital Democracy Project. The project will be co-led by Robby Mook, Democrat Hillary Clinton's 2016 presidential campaign manager, and Matt Rhoades, Republican Mitt Romney's 2012 campaign manager. The hope is that creating a unique and bipartisan team comprised of top-notch political operatives and leaders in the cyber and national security world, the project will be able to to identify and recommend strategies, tools, and technology to protect democratic processes and systems from cyber and information attacks.
The group will also assess new technologies (including blockchain) to secure elections, and wants to create an information sharing infrastructure modeled "on similar efforts within the tech industry to share tech intelligence." The article says Facebook's chief security officer "hopes that election officials who are wary of cooperating with the federal government will be more receptive to working with an independent group tied to Harvard and the tech industy," and the group also includes Google's director for Information Security and Privacy.

"Facebook plans to host state and local election officials at its D.C. office later this year to discuss the information sharing organization, and launch the organization in early 2018."

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  1. WikiLeaks publishes the Imperial project of CIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Wikileaks not appearing on Slashdot as usual.

    Today, July 27th 2017, WikiLeaks publishes documents from the Imperial project of the CIA.
    Achilles is a capability that provides an operator the ability to trojan an OS X disk image (.dmg) installer with one or more desired operator specified executables for a one-time execution.

    Aeris is an automated implant written in C that supports a number of POSIX-based systems (Debian, RHEL, Solaris, FreeBSD, CentOS). It supports automated file exfiltration, configurable beacon interval and jitter, standalone and Collide-based HTTPS LP support and SMTP protocol support - all with TLS encrypted communications with mutual authentication. It is compatible with the NOD Cryptographic Specification and provides structured command and control that is similar to that used by several Windows implants.

    SeaPea is an OS X Rootkit that provides stealth and tool launching capabilities. It hides files/directories, socket connections and/or processes. It runs on Mac OSX 10.6 and 10.7.

    1. Re:WikiLeaks publishes the Imperial project of CIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, no mention that this initiative is just Zuck preparing to run for president?

    2. Re:WikiLeaks publishes the Imperial project of CIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that was barely four days ago. check back in october, it should be posted here by then.

    3. Re:WikiLeaks publishes the Imperial project of CIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, no mention that this initiative is just Zuck preparing to run for president?

      For any idiot wanting that job, I only have one thing to say.

      Good fucking luck with that shit.

    4. Re:WikiLeaks publishes the Imperial project of CIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I checked the Firehose - looks like nobody's submitted that story yet. You could be the first.

    5. Re:WikiLeaks publishes the Imperial project of CIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's illegal to possess these stolen documents, but it's different for Cowboy Neal. So everything you learn about this, you should learn it from Slashdot. Give them time to take a look at what's in there and what it means.

    6. Re:WikiLeaks publishes the Imperial project of CIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We need to keep this quiet. Someone please mod down all comments in this thread so that the truth can be concealed. The little people (AKA the filthy plebs) don't need to know about this. Mod this shit down so it gets erased NOW!

      Keep the truth hidden or falsified, or rewritten in the case of history. That is the communist (democratic) way.

      Apple products do not have viruses.

    7. Re:WikiLeaks publishes the Imperial project of CIA by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      SeaPea is an OS X Rootkit that provides stealth and tool launching capabilities. It hides files/directories, socket connections and/or processes. It runs on Mac OSX 10.6 and 10.7.

      Still using a mid-2010 Mac mini (Core 2 Duo) running OS X 10.9 here, I can't imagine anyone still using 10.6 or 10.7 in 2017, except Power PC Macs maybe?

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    8. Re:WikiLeaks publishes the Imperial project of CIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the heck? 10.6? LOL, Assange sitting on material for a goddamned decade and then releasing trickles to support his vatnik narrative isn't news for nerds, or stuff the matters. It's propaganda bullshit.

  2. Not just for president. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's going for "President For Life Of Teh Intarwebz! LOL!"

    I'd like to think that this doesn't need mentioning because it's obvious to everyone already. But that doesn't appear to be the case.

  3. Let me guess by Jarwulf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    'Defending Digital Democracy' means pushing some selfserving political narrative in the US rather than actually defending democracy in places companies like Facebook kowtow to like China.

    1. Re: Let me guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      That, and the acceptable narrative is one in which advertising companies (who happen to use computers to push narratives) and former campaign managers, formerly employed by loser candidates and now working for Harvard, home of elite smugness, are somehow perceived by the public as trustworthy people instead of the most despicable scum of the earth.

      hopes that election officials who are wary of cooperating with the federal government will be more receptive to working with an independent group tied to Harvard and the tech industy

      Were I such a wary official, I might well trust such a group of advertisers, cryptocurrency scammers, and Harvardian failed political hacks even less than I would trust the federal government.

    2. Re:Let me guess by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Or places like the USA, where Facebook builds profiles about the issues of importance and opinions of the electorate, identifies the marginal voters in swing constituencies and the issues that will persuade them to change their vote, and sells this to the party that bids the highest. And, for an extra fee, will even put adds saying 'Candidate X supports {Issue that you think is the most important}' in their feeds.

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    3. Re:Let me guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Democracy is not necessarily the best system and Churchill was well aware of that. "Defending democracy" sounds good when you say it because it protects us from switching to something worse, but it also prevents us from switching to something better. Maybe Facebook realized how controllable it is and wants to ensure that things remain that way.

    4. Re:Let me guess by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      Democracy is certainly not the best system. However its still a pretty good system. The best system probably involves some dice rolling.

      Consider where one candidate gets 60% and another gets 40%. The best system is almost certainly not one that gives 100% of the outcome to the 60%'r, but its still clearly better than giving 0% of the outcome to the 60%'r.

      --
      "His name was James Damore."
    5. Re:Let me guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Democracy is certainly not the best system. However its still a pretty good system.

      Mainly because we keep on telling ourselves that it's pretty good, "all things considered", typically without really considering all things.

      And, of course, while the idea is one thing, the implementation of that idea is quite another. And there too lots of variation and improvement is possible. Yet that's typically not discussable because "democracy". Which really means: The powers that be like their loopholes, lobbying, and customs, and certainly don't see the need to change their cosy position into something that doesn't at least favour them over the rest as much.

      Consider where one candidate gets 60% and another gets 40%. The best system is almost certainly not one that gives 100% of the outcome to the 60%'r, but its still clearly better than giving 0% of the outcome to the 60%'r.

      You could try and experiment with decision making that doesn't cut off at 50%, but perhaps factors in opposition more. Say, 50% for and nobody against, fine. 51% for and 49% against, not so fine.

    6. Re:Let me guess by GrumpySteen · · Score: 1

      Your guess is completely wrong. Perhaps you should at least read the summary before you make wild guesses based on the title.

      "The hope is ... the project will be able to to identify and recommend strategies, tools, and technology to protect democratic processes and systems from cyber and information attacks."

      We already have insecure electronic voting machines and at least one successful attack. While the changes from that attack were detected and reverted, it's just a matter of time before someone succeeds and isn't detected.

      The US government has shown no interest at all in developing secure systems for elections, so none of this is going to change without outside groups like the one discussed in this article forcing change.

    7. Re:Let me guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Could use something like Proportional Representation, various versions of which are used in about one hundred countries.

      I don't know much about US elections, but the Electoral College just sounds like one massive statistical sampling/rounding error.

    8. Re:Let me guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      The main problem with democracy is not how you turn percentages into power, it's the percentages themselves. Most people don't spend sufficient time researching their options. Critical thinking and general knowledge about the world and its history is also very useful to make the right choice. I don't blame them since voting isn't their full-time job, and each vote contributes only 0.000001% of the decision. Democracy might work if everyone spent 1000 hours taking classes and thinking about their vote, but that would be insane so we don't. Unfortunately we end up with "garbage in, garbage out".

    9. Re:Let me guess by Rockoon · · Score: 2

      Seems to me that the optimal governance method should always have a finite probability of "unseating the majority" on a regular basis even in the case that the "majority" appears to have(*) 100% support of those being governed. I do not favor "proportional representation" because it stands a real chance of getting stuck in a local maxima preventing a possibly infinite amount of higher expected value/utility.

      (*) Appears to have won an election, or by some other observational metric.

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      "His name was James Damore."
    10. Re:Let me guess by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      Instead of "Proportional Representation" why not consider "Probabilistic Representation"

      Everyone who runs for a position in the government should have a real chance to serve so long as they get even a single vote.

      The candidate that only got 1 vote may still win the "right to serve" against a candidate that got every other vote. Perhaps the probability of this occurring should simply be the proportion of votes a candidate got.

      --
      "His name was James Damore."
    11. Re:Let me guess by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      The more worrying bit about digital democracy, is it isn't the voice of the majority, but of the most vocal.

      The recent healthcare stuff in congress has the following sides that seems to be prevalent.
      1. Get rid of the ACA and make something new.
      2. Keep the ACA and don't change it one bit.

      Because the most vocal groups on the topic either really hate it or just love it.

      Those people who want to do the responsible thing like.
      Take a look at problems with the ACA, and see if there are ways to fix these.
      See what is good about the ACA and expand or keep it.

      However because it is so easy for the people with a strong opinion on the topic to express it, it makes it seems like they are 2 sides, of a complex problem.

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      If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
    12. Re:Let me guess by swb · · Score: 2

      Technical attacks on the integrity of the voting system almost seem like acts of desperation when the usual strategies of misleading voters through coordinated disinformation campaigns stop working.

      The last election seemed to be an example of coordinated propaganda campaigns failing, despite presenting relentless anti-Trump messages (and Trump's own hapless behavior) failing to produce the desired outcome.

      Part of me thinks it wasn't a repudiation of media manipulation per se, but that its effect was too localized on the subset of voters likely to vote Clinton, leading to a collective overconfidence. I can't decide if it was simply not supplying swing voters with enough empty reassurances that their issues were important (guns, immigration, etc) or whether the overconfidence led them to believe they didn't need to sway those voters at all.

      But maybe we're reaching the stage where the "political message" is so disconnected from the voters and the structured and coordinated nature of the messaging so obvious and transparent that technical attacks on the voting system are the next logical step in assuring control without completely destroying the apparent democratic nature of the system.

      At the same time, I can't discount the effects of coordinated disinformation campaigns disrupting enough voters to destabilize public opinion enough to swing close elections. Unfortunately the only way to fight that is to restore neutral credibility to the media and its constellation of experts. Unfortunately, as a collective they seem to suffer from a long-term campaign of ideological capture, eroding the public's willingness to accept their traditional role as filters and credibility validators.

    13. Re:Let me guess by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      The thing with democracy, isn't that it is perfect, but more sustainable. We could get a strong and effective ruler who could lead America into a Golden Age. Then he will eventually die, then the successor has a chance on being good, or just pure bad.

      With democracy, even if you don't like the guy who is in power, chances are there is enough people for them, which will reduce the chances on taking arms.

         

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      If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
    14. Re:Let me guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The last election seemed to be an example of coordinated propaganda campaigns failing, despite presenting relentless anti-Trump messages (and Trump's own hapless behavior) failing to produce the desired outcome.

      The Clinton camp trusted in the power of smug.

      Smug is great if you're a cartoon girl pimping fast food burgers. When it comes to the real world, people in the majority of states preferred the loudmouthed, crude dude who showed up and told Americans that they could be great instead of deplorable.

      Part of me thinks it wasn't a repudiation of media manipulation per se, but that its effect was too localized on the subset of voters likely to vote Clinton, leading to a collective overconfidence.

      Definitely not - manipulation happened on both sides and in both directions. The problem with Clinton, however...

      I can't decide if it was simply not supplying swing voters with enough empty reassurances that their issues were important (guns, immigration, etc) or whether the overconfidence led them to believe they didn't need to sway those voters at all.

      All of the above and more. People on the fence who believe in enforcing our laws were called racist, bigoted deplorables. Trump showed up, listened, and paid lip service to formerly blue states.

      Arrogance ruled the day - "It's her turn!", really? We have a representative republic. We don't take turns, fucko.

      I can't discount the effects of coordinated disinformation campaigns disrupting enough voters to destabilize public opinion enough to swing close elections.

      It's going to continue, given how many simpering morons believe Trump hasn't 'done nething1111111111111111' in spite of a laundry list of accomplishments. And it worries me. Because while I'd gladly see the current MSM put to the sword, that's not happening. The left is doubling down on inanity, and the right is being driven farther into the realm of aliens running child slavery camps on Mars with NASA.

    15. Re:Let me guess by Kiuas · · Score: 3, Informative

      Consider where one candidate gets 60% and another gets 40%. The best system is almost certainly not one that gives 100% of the outcome to the 60%'r, but its still clearly better than giving 0% of the outcome to the 60%

      Exactly because of this many countries (such as we here in the Nordics) have ditched the single candidate districts and moved towards proportional representation. It's not perfect either, but it works around this issues especially. Instead of the current binary '2 man enter 1 man leave' -from of Thunderdome politics you could just as well merge the districts so that instead of picking 1 guy from each district, you pick say, 10 and assign the seats so that the party that the 60 % party gets 6 seats for 6 of their most voted candidates and the 40 % party gets 4 seats for their top 4 guys respectively.

      But this also has the 'downside' from the point of view of the established american parties that it makes gerrymandering a lot more difficult because it means you no longer get to engineer the districts so that the other side gets no power at all despite getting close to half of the votes.

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      "It is the business of the future to be dangerous" -Alfred North Whitehead
    16. Re:Let me guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well it's either one of two things;
          - FB taking the opportunity to get involved in something it really believes in, and that happens to be best seen in the US.
          - Or FB reflecting what its customers really believe in, and that involvement is customized per-audience & per-country.

      Either way, it appears genuine to the customers & that is freaky.

    17. Re:Let me guess by dhawton · · Score: 1

      The thing about democracy is, well, America isn't one. Democracy is a set of groups oppressing the other. The US is a Republic for a reason.

    18. Re:Let me guess by OhPlz · · Score: 2

      Great! If someone runs on a platform of murdering half the population of the world to combat global whatever, they absolutely should get a chance to win. This will be awesome.

    19. Re:Let me guess by OhPlz · · Score: 2

      You either believe that the federal government should intrude so deeply into our lives that they control our access to health care, or you don't. There isn't much of a middle-ground. This isn't a power that is given to the federal government under the Constitution.

    20. Re:Let me guess by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      From TFS (emphasis mine):

      The hope is that creating a unique and bipartisan team...

      Sounds about right - Left/Right wing protectionism, probably focused on keeping third parties from receiving fair and/or equal representation.

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    21. Re: Let me guess by bigpat · · Score: 1

      Forget China.... the Clinton campaign worked like hell to make sure the Democratic Party primary was a coronation and not a serious primary.

      How can this effort be serious when the people who worked to subvert a free and fair election in the US are given leadership positions?

    22. Re:Let me guess by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

      Democracy is certainly not the best system. However its still a pretty good system. The best system probably involves some dice rolling.

      I'm a fan of the Constitutional Republic myself.

      Consider where one candidate gets 60% and another gets 40%. The best system is almost certainly not one that gives 100% of the outcome to the 60%'r, but its still clearly better than giving 0% of the outcome to the 60%'r.

      How about when both candidates combined receive less than 50% of the total vote, including voters who abstain?

      FWIW, in the last US Presidential election, 51% didn't vote at all, and of those who did, 6% voted third party; that means neither D nor R candidate actually received anything close to half the total vote.

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    23. Re: Let me guess by bigpat · · Score: 1

      The US is a one party system with two parties.

    24. Re: Let me guess by bigpat · · Score: 1

      There is plenty of room in the middle to believe that the poor should have a good effective health care safety net paid for with an equitable tax but that we should also have freedom of choice in how we purchase health care and to allow people to save up their money in good health instead of purchasing health insurance. And who on either side supports the middle income cliff/wall where millions of people make too much for subsidies, but too little to afford adequate health insurance?

    25. Re:Let me guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you even read the summary?

      The hope is that creating a unique and bipartisan team comprised of top-notch political operatives and leaders in the cyber and national security world, the project will be able to to identify and recommend strategies, tools, and technology to protect democratic processes and systems from cyber and information attacks.

      You know how much Slashdot keeps talking about having a paper trail for votes? You know how Slashdot keeps talking about how Diebold and other voting machines are easily hacked, including within 20 minutes at the recent Defcon conference?

      How else do you think that politicians and the public will hear about these problems and take steps to fix them (including potentially determining that certain technologies are not possible and should be dropped)?

      Granted this could be double-talk for "give us more money." However, it could actually be a good idea, too. Do you want to throw out the baby in a cynical purge of bathwater?

    26. Re: Let me guess by OhPlz · · Score: 1

      I don't think you understand my comment. A good portion of the population doesn't want the federal government involved with access to health care, at all. No federal subsidies, no bail-outs, no federal safety nets, no federal requirement of insurance by abusing the IRS to make an end-run around the Constitution for the "it's not a fine and it's not a tax but it's both." None of it. These are all issues for the states to sort out for themselves.

    27. Re: Let me guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your comment was clear. I just disagree... there is a universe of middle ground between the extremes of absolutely no federal funding or regulation of health care and complete control of every aspect of how we pay for, receive and provide health care. The faction that wants zero medicare for the old and zero medicaid for the poor and absolutely no regulation is not even much of a faction.

      Most people I reckon want some safety net in medicare and medicaid and want some sort of reasonable regulation that creates a healthy free market with good competition for medical services and different options to pay for those services.

      Leaving regulation to the states has been in part why we see state level protectionism in place and a very unfree market full of bad choices.

    28. Re: Let me guess by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I, for one, welcome our murderous overlords. /s

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    29. Re:Let me guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      to the party that bids the highest

      Or, rather, to whichever party Zuckerberg supports. And I honestly don't know if that's better or worse.

    30. Re: Let me guess by OhPlz · · Score: 1

      Medicare and Medicaid already exist separate from the AHA.

      A free marketplace could have been a solution if the feds addressed our ability to buy plans from other states. That would have been an interesting piece of legislation all on its own, without needing thousands of pages of "pass the law to find out what's in it." Conservatives could have supported that as being a legitimate use of federal powers since it's obviously across state lines. I guess that could have been some middle ground.

    31. Re:Let me guess by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      Actually it also means promoting politics that the CEO of the company like, left wing politics in name but autocratic politics in fact.

    32. Re:Let me guess by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      So what if they ran on murdering half the population?

      If Trump wants to murder half the population... do you really think he could?

      Obama ran on single payer. Didn't happen because even the most powerful person in the world has limits.

      --
      "His name was James Damore."
    33. Re:Let me guess by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1
      This keeps being repeated by Americans and it annoys me slightly more each time. Some definitions:

      A republic is any system of government in which the titular head of state is not a hereditary monarch. This includes Athenian-style direct democracy where everyone votes on every issue up to military dictatorships. Being a republic is not anything to be particularly proud of: republics have killed far more of their own citizens in the twentieth century than monarchies. Most industrial nations are either constitutional monarchies or republics (and there isn't much difference in practice between being a monarchy in which the monarch has almost no power and being a republic).

      A democracy is any system of government in which final authority rests with the people (literally with the city, because the term originally referred to ancient Greek city states). This includes direct democracy, where all issues are decided by plebiscite, systems such as democratic anarchy (not central government, rule by immediate consensus), and a great many forms of representative democracy where the government is run by representatives selected from the people (by election, by lottery, and so on).

      The USA aims to be a representative democratic republic. In practice it is closer to an oligarchy (with political dynasties, it arguable how long it will remain a republic), but claiming that it's a republic and therefore not a democracy makes as much sense as claiming that 2 is a positive number and therefore not even: the two concepts are entirely orthogonal.

      I suspect that your country would be less of an oligarchy if more of your voters actually understood some basic political theory and didn't keep loudly shouting opinions about words that they clearly don't understand.

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      I am TheRaven on Soylent News
  4. Facebook: If it's not "progressive", it's banned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Facebook defending democracy is like Josef Stalin defending freedom.

    Yeah, sure.

  5. Mumble mumble blockchain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Technology is the golden fairy dust to fix everything.

    No, folks: if there's something democracy needs is *less* opaque stuff. People have to get some trust in the democratic processes, and for that, they have to be *transparent* (to everyone).

    That's why I strongly favour paper ballots *and hand counting* (gasp!). Not because they're more secure than electronics (they're not, they just have another set of vulnerabilities), but because you *need* lots of people to do that counting, ideally organized as a "counting party", by volunteers, and where everyone interested can show up. Ideally, it should be strongly encouraged for schoolkids to have that experience at least once. That's transparency at work. And not some stupid machines with people bickering about whether the software on them should be "open source[1]" or not.

    As to pre-election manipulative behaviour, where (political) parties not only hire marketing firms but also specialists in military psy-ops... I don't know how one could solve that. IMO those folks should be in jail. They're far more dangerous than those stupid djihadists (not that I wanted those either, mind you).

    [1] Open source: Free Software's poor sister, or something.

  6. Pouring money down the rat hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is yet another useless make-work scheme for the rich to extract grant money and donations from the gullible. Its only product will be yet another "report" and "recommendations" useable only as emergency ass wipe material.

  7. Clinton and Romney's managers? by turkeydance · · Score: 3, Funny

    what losers.

  8. We don't need new tech to secure our elections by DeplorableCodeMonkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The group will also assess new technologies (including blockchain) to secure elections

    The most ingenious idea I have ever seen for securing ballots follows a few simple steps:

    1. Assign a unique serial number to all ballots printed.
    2. Use a scantron system to record the choices and serial number.
    3. Let the voter either keep the ballot or a carbon copy.
    4. As the votes are tallied, the serial numbers and choices are posted online on a government website so that voters can verify their vote.

    Motor voter laws are probably the single biggest threat to our process aside from the lack of a solid ID requirement at the precincts. Set aside any views you have on politics and culture for a moment and just consider these facts:

    1. In some states, illegal immigrants--by state policy--can get driver's licenses.
    2. You can register to vote at the DMV without any form of ID showing you are a US citizen.

    If any system dealing with PII, finances, etc. in your life had such a low barrier on security, would you use it? I don't think you would.

    1. Re:We don't need new tech to secure our elections by epine · · Score: 1

      With suitable encrypted signatures, you could set up the receipt so that you had to pay a $1000 fee to check that your vote was accurately counted, and if it wasn't, you are awarded $1,000,000 in compensation (to deliver the sting where it matters, each election oversight group could be organized like the unlimited Lloyd's "names" of old).

      Why would you do this?

      Well, there's a problem with ubiquitous, easily verified receipts that's usually covered in the second lecture of Public Administration 101.

      I don't presently feel like Googling that for you.

    2. Re:We don't need new tech to secure our elections by Zak3056 · · Score: 2

      3. Let the voter either keep the ballot or a carbon copy.
      4. As the votes are tallied, the serial numbers and choices are posted online on a government website so that voters can verify their vote.

      If you can verify your ballot, so could someone who could put pressure on you.

      Vote for $CANDIDATE or something bad happens to your job/spouse/children/whatever is a serious potential problem.

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      What part of "shall not be infringed" is so hard to understand?
    3. Re:We don't need new tech to secure our elections by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      Vote for $CANDIDATE or something bad happens to your job/spouse/children/whatever is a serious potential problem.

      No, it's not a problem and it never has been. You're crazy.

      .
      .

      1. ...look, I typed what you said, ok?...see?...right here...now put the baby down and leave, please!!

      Strat :)

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    4. Re: We don't need new tech to secure our elections by bigpat · · Score: 1

      What's more likely... coercion of elections officials or coercion of a plurality of voters?

      Far far easier to coerce a small number of elections officials.

    5. Re:We don't need new tech to secure our elections by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And then your boss says, "vote for candidate A or you're fired." Or your local mob boss says, "vote for candidate A, or your kneecaps are broken."

      Now what?

      Voting is a hard problem. You need both trace-ability and anonymity. You've solved for the first, but foresaken the second.

  9. Zuckerberg for president! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Zuckerberg really want people to associate him with democracy, equality and fairness. Seems almost like he has a motive behind all this propaganda machinery.

  10. but there's also stochastic compliance by epine · · Score: 2

    No, my idea doesn't work, because the Mafia can do the same thing in reverse: gather up all the receipts associated with "paid" votes, then randomly test ten (a $10,000 cost-of-doing-business fee), on penalty of worse-than-death.

    I think that would reduce the enforcement cost enough to turn paying for votes into a cash-flow-positive business model.

    Bear in mind that delivering on penalty of worse-than-death is not cheap (either in time now, or potential for time later). If all the rabbits are trembling enough, you won't need to do this.

    1. Re: but there's also stochastic compliance by bigpat · · Score: 1

      Thugs can subvert an election by coercing the vote counters and elections officials far more easily than they can coerce a significant enough number of voters.

  11. Step 1 to protecting democracy by El+Cubano · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The hope is that creating a unique and bipartisan team comprised of top-notch political operatives and leaders in the cyber and national security world, the project will be able to to identify and recommend strategies, tools, and technology to protect democratic processes and systems from cyber and information attacks.

    Step 1 to protecting democracy:

    Don't riot when someone with different political views comes to your campus. For comparison:

    • Bernie Sanders visits conservative Christian university and gets treated like a human being and is allowed to speak: video
    • [insert name of conservative politician/pundit] gets invited to [insert name of university] then disinvited after students riot (e.g., UC Berkeley)

    Once the universities begin to act like a) they have a role in our democracy (we are actually a representative republic, but I am not going to split hairs), and b) start working constructively to improve it, then we may have something worthwhile.

    1. Re:Step 1 to protecting democracy by avandesande · · Score: 2

      I love how more recently formal liberal darling Richard Dawkins had a radio interview cancelled by Berkley students because he is 'abusive towards Islam'

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    2. Re:Step 1 to protecting democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's something I notice more and more these days: I have more respect for Christians (even though I neither believe in nor agree with a lot of their beliefs) than liberals (among whom I had counted myself a few years ago). At least the former don't act like rabid, jackbooted thugs to spread their beliefs.

    3. Re:Step 1 to protecting democracy by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      They always did, it's just that the rise of incontrovertible video evidence has made you realize it for the first time. The rest of us have been aware of it for decades.

      I mean, think about it: if I had told you the story of Trigglypuff, would you have believed me? Without video? Hell no, it would sound ridiculous and made-up.

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    4. Re:Step 1 to protecting democracy by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Don't [protest] when someone with different political views comes to your campus

      You probably meant don't protest just because someone with a different view comes. Both of the "conservative pundits" in your link are trolls. Protest to avoid feeding the trolls. Do so regardless of party.

      And yes, I changed your quote to the less inflammatory and more accurate verb. Even your link calls it protesting.

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    5. Re:Step 1 to protecting democracy by dhawton · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What happened wasn't protesting... What happened was the very definition of rioting. And if someone is a troll, do they still not have the same freedom of speech that everyone else enjoys?

    6. Re:Step 1 to protecting democracy by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      There was a 1500 person non-violent protest. 100 people arrived (from off campus) to riot. There's a difference.

      If someone is a troll, they certainly have the same legal rights to free speech. And no one denied that! It's just not a high bar. I certainly ignore trolls, and encourage society to ignore them, as a rule. And that applies to Michael Moore just as much as Ann Coulter.

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    7. Re:Step 1 to protecting democracy by dhawton · · Score: 1

      If 10 people come in and turn a protest into a riot, it's still called a riot. So yes, there is a difference. Once it's a riot, it's a riot. The protestors did nothing to expel those causing trouble out, they went along like it was okay. That means they were okay with the unnecessary violence.

  12. Nope, blockchain rules all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Use blockchain technology.

    Every vote serialized, every vote is checksumed including the checksum of the vote before.

    Make the blockchain public, millions of copies all over the world, impossible to insert fake votes.

    You'll still get fake/dead/zombie voters, but at least you can find out how many there are after the fact by spending months to verify.

  13. Score:0, Insightful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We need to keep this quiet. Someone please mod down all comments in this thread so that the truth can be concealed. The little people (AKA the filthy plebs) don't need to know about this. Mod this shit down so it gets erased NOW!

    Done.

    WikiLeaks publishes the Imperial project of CIA (Score:0, Insightful)

  14. It's the People, not the Technology by sycodon · · Score: 1, Insightful

    No matter what kind of Rube Goldberg system they come up with, it will always be at the mercy of those who implement and run it.

    You know what the most secure voting system is? Paper ballots. But they are subject to manipulation just as are electronic voting systems.

    The primary "flaw" in voting systems is also their primary strength...the voter is ultimately disconnected from their vote. You don't know who voted for who.

    It would be nice if there were a way I could confirm that the vote I cast is actually cast for who I voted. But then someone would be able to force me to vote a particular way...management, union bosses, etc. because they could confirm they way I voted.

    I'm afraid it all comes down t the integrity and honesty of the people running the election.

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    1. Re:It's the People, not the Technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know that currently it's possible to see which way a person voted and punish them if they voted incorrectly, right? Yeah, the mail in ballot system fully allows that. I think that each vote should be tagged with an ID so you can see if your vote registered correctly, and a person could then dump all the votes to independently verify. Your fear of the union boss is possible under the current system, we might as well at least add some anonymous verification to the system so we can get some good out of it.

    2. Re:It's the People, not the Technology by sycodon · · Score: 1

      That's if the union boss or management had access to the mail in ballots. I guess they could collect, verify the correct vote and the send it in themselves, "for you".

      All the more reason mail in ballots suck and should be limited only to those who cannot physically make it to the polls.

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  15. Hypocrisy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    Zuckerberg's Facebook's terms of service outright forbid some citizens from taking part. He can't talk about "digital democracy" with any credibility at all.

  16. There's already a guy grading political sites... by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

    There's already a guy scanning political sites for security strengths/weaknesses and publishing the results as "cybersecurity letter grades". How 'bout just writing him a grant?
    http://cybertical.com

  17. Make elections independently audit-able by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Make elections independently audit-able.
    * Paper trail for each ballot. Placed in a sealed box next to the machine.
    * Easy for the VOTER to see who he/she voted for on the paper.
    * 2D barcode for a computer to read and validate the votes on the paper.
    * Electronic counts to help election results remain fast.
    * The voting system needs to be 100% F/LOSS and run on commodity hardware like a raspberry-pi v1. A version with no wifi. Cheap, easily replaceable, portable, light.

    A tiny thermal printer ... just like we have at every gas station in the country would work.

    Voter identification only happens at ballot time and isn't tied to the vote or paper ballot.

    I voted in an election 6 weeks ago. Prior to that election, 2 democrats physically came to my home daily for 2 weeks - morning and afternoon. They offered rides to vote, help filling out absentee/early voting ballots, etc. I know a huge complaint by democrats about requiring a state ID in order to vote is the hardship for some people from actually getting a state ID or the cost of it. Where I live, state IDs are free for the poor - $10 for everyone else. Getting to the DMV to get one would easily be handled by a bus or one of the political parties taking someone to get their ID. After all, they made almost 30 visits to my home in June, so they could certainly make 1 trip to the DMV with me to get an ID.

    State IDs should use PKI. The ID has the public key in a 2-D barcode. A reading machine pulls up the ID in the state's DB and shows the data and photo. If the photo on the ID doesn't match what the state's DB shows and doesn't match the person standing there, then it is a fake ID. A website could be used by every location that wants to validate an ID - even a bar or quicky-mart.

    Both parties wasted over $50M for a single house seat campaign. Just think of all the people that money could have helped with health care instead. It was obscene to waste THAT much money.

    It is an embarrassment that this hasn't been solved for the entire world already.

  18. Desires by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they really cared about democracy, they would be more concerned about collecting and securing the wishes and desires of the people and ensuring the person in office stands up to those expectations. Really the person who gets elected seems rather irrelevant in my lifetime. They're all self interested, and there needs to be a secure way to hold them to actually doing what the citizens of their countries need.

  19. Want to "Defend Democracy" ?? by Salgak1 · · Score: 1

    Paper ballots. In person. Providing any of a number of government-issued photo IDs. Cast your ballot, dip your finger in the ink.

    Roll Credits, cut to commercial.

    You're welcome. . .

  20. Path to success by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "...Democrat Hillary Clinton's 2016 presidential campaign manager, and Matt Rhoades, Republican Mitt Romney's 2012 campaign manager."

    Step 1: Ensure no third party candidates can win.
    Step 2: Ensure that only candidates on the parties' roadmap can win (feel the burn)
    Step 3: ???
    Step 4: Profit!

    1. Re: Path to success by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There it is... this is about making Democracy safe for the rich elite again.

  21. Already a failure by dhawton · · Score: 1

    This project is already the failure. The US isn't a democracy and was never meant to be. You can't defend what isn't there.

    1. Re:Already a failure by dcw3 · · Score: 0

      This project is already the failure. The US isn't a democracy and was never meant to be. You can't defend what isn't there.

      Yeah, because for 241 years it's been failing. Surely it will fall apart before it gets to 242.

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    2. Re:Already a failure by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      The USA is a constitutional republic, which means we elect representatives to make laws and run the state. We are not a direct democracy - which, 'true' democracies do NOT have bills of rights etc. because the voters can decide ANYTHING.

    3. Re:Already a failure by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, yeah, I don't believe that the OP meant the comment in that way since the vast majority of people consider the U.S. to be a democracy....technically right or wrong.

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    4. Re:Already a failure by dhawton · · Score: 1

      People can call it what they want, but that doesn't make it so. We're not a democracy, anyone who says we are doesn't understand basic government.

    5. Re:Already a failure by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      That's hardly the point.

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    6. Re:Already a failure by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      But it is, because they don't understand how their own government works. This isn't true only in the USA btw.

  22. Not bipartisan. by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    When you see Facebook, Harvard (or any Ivy/near-Ivy), and "bipartisan" in close proximity, it's safe to assume they're not. They're establishment if not outright left-leaning.

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  23. Democrats silenced *PUBLIC* support for Trump by knorthern+knight · · Score: 1

    What happened was that pro-Hillary goons beat up on Trump supporters at his rallies. People were scared to admit they were voting for Trump. When asked, they said they were voting Clinton. But when election day came, they voted Trump. The fear of speaking up for Trump led many people to think Hillary had it in the bag. No need to go campaign in Michigan or Wisconsin, etc.

    Ironically, if the democrat goons had not scared Trump supporters into silence, they would've heard from those supporters, and known that they had to work harder in Michigan/Wisconsin/etc.

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