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In Breakthrough, Scientists Edit a Dangerous Mutation From Genes in Human Embryos (npr.org)

Scientists for the first time have successfully edited genes in human embryos to repair a common and serious disease-causing mutation, producing apparently healthy embryos, according to a study published on Wednesday. From a report: Now, an international team of scientists reports they have, for the first time, figured out a way to successfully edit the DNA in human embryos -- without introducing the harmful mutations that were a problem in previous attempts elsewhere. "It's a pretty exciting piece of science," says George Daley, dean of the Harvard Medical School, who was not involved in the research. "It's a technical tour-de-force. It's really remarkable." The research is ultimately aimed at helping families plagued by genetic diseases. The new experiment used a powerful new gene-editing technique to correct a genetic defect behind a heart disorder that can cause seemingly healthy young people to suddenly die from heart failure. The experiment corrected the defect in nearly two-thirds of several dozen embryos, without causing potentially dangerous mutations elsewhere in the DNA. None of the embryos were used to try to create a baby. But if future experiments confirm the techniques are safe and effective, the scientists say the same approach could be used to prevent a long list of inheritable diseases.

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  1. blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by Ann+O'Nymous-Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    So sick of all the alarmist bullshit. Gene editing is GOING to happen. It's another medical technology. Get over it.

    1. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      True, but it's let's do it right -- reasonable precautions and meticulous peer and external review.

    2. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 2

      Except you forgot the part:

      Just because we _can_ doesn't mean we _should._

      There are HUGE implications.

      I'm sorry Dave, I can't hire you. Your DNA shows that you a heart defect that predicts you will die by 30.

      For every problem technology "solves", it creates 10 new ones.

    3. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by Ann+O'Nymous-Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah? If you really believe that, why are you typing on Slashdot? Why aren't you squatting in a cave somewhere in a pile of your own crap?

    4. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nature obviously works, or we wouldn't be here. Unintended consequences are a valid concern.

      There was no problem with the zika virus until genetically altered mosquitoes were released in Brazil.

    5. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by nine-times · · Score: 5, Insightful

      For every problem technology "solves", it creates 10 new ones.

      If this statement was supposed to mean "technology makes things 10 times worse," then you're right to call BS. However, it's true that while new technology solves problems, it also creates new ones.

      For example, the smart phone has changes the way we live, solving many problems. It's easy to get ahold of people. It's easier to do business on the go. With GPS and maps, it's almost impossible to get lost unless you can't get a signal. We have immediate access to all kinds of media, almost anywhere in the world.

      However, there are also loads of associated problems. Everything from the need to keep your battery charged to the adverse effects of social change from ever-present social networking apps, they're "problems". It doesn't mean the new problems outweigh the old ones that technology solves, but at the same time, you'd have to be blind to think that new technology is simply an absolute good thing.

      And once you recognize that there can be drawbacks to technological advancement, you have to acknowledge the possibility of a technology where the problems it creates outweigh the benefits. A lot of people might argue, for example, that the world would be a better place if we hadn't invented nuclear weapons.

      Still, even if we concede that we'd be better if some technology weren't invented, we aren't able to un-invent it. We have to figure out if there's a way to regulate it to prevent the negative uses and unintended consequences don't get out of control.

    6. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by cayenne8 · · Score: 0
      Hmm....I"m guessing this gene edit helps the embryo in question, but likely does not keep this "person" to be from passing it on?

      Is the edit suppression expression of the gene, or swapping out the whole gene entirely?

      Big difference in results there for generations to come...

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    7. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by avandesande · · Score: 1, Insightful

      However, it's true that while new technology solves problems, it also creates new ones.

      So what? We will deal with the problems when the happen like we always do.

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    8. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by avandesande · · Score: 1

      Yes let's throw out our penicillin and eyeglasses because 'nature works'

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    9. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >implying those aren't two examples of nature working

    10. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by avandesande · · Score: 1

      So how isn't editing our own genes 'nature working'? Building nuclear reactors is natural too. These are dumb philosophic things that were argued to death centuries ago.

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    11. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Technically, we aren't editing our genes. We're editing someone else's genes, without their consent.

      Mind if I edit yours?

    12. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh... So you think we humans keep a separate 'sperm and egg' copy of our DNA. Fascinating. Please do tell your alien overlords that.

    13. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by penandpaper · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I understand the sentiment but when you apply your statement to the current context: "Just because we can eliminate genetic diseases don't mean we should." That is a horrible thing to say. If we can eliminate genetic disease we should. Those people that are plagued by those diseases will be better off. The human condition will be that much better and tolerable as it is the entire purpose of technology.

      There are always going to be huge implications and no one will know how to deal with them until they show up. The best example I can think of are nuclear weapons. They changed the face of the planet in every conceivable manner. They were designed to kill indiscriminately as many humans as possible with little effort. Yet, the implication was that MADD created a relative lasting peace the world has never known before with humans. We are still trying to understand all the implications of nuclear weapons. Our struggle and problems are different. We have to perpetually maintain the peace MADD demands for every future generation that lives with nuclear weapons instead of living in wars that won't threaten our extinction.

      We have the luxury to question 'should a technology be developed' because others recognized that it should even when they didn't understand all the huge implications. Our lives are better because of it.

    14. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      That "someone" is an embryo that in most legal systems isn't even a person, so I'm failing to see the objection. And if you're going to treat certain genetic conditions, the closer to conception you can get, the easier the process is likely to be. Otherwise, you're attempting to edit the genome of an organism nearly or fully developed.

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    15. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hmm....I"m guessing this gene edit helps the embryo in question, but likely does not keep this "person" to be from passing it on?

      Is the edit suppression expression of the gene, or swapping out the whole gene entirely?

      Big difference in results there for generations to come...

      I guess you should read more in biology (or take a few classes). I'm not surprised that most tech people (from physic area) don't understand much about biology... DNA is being copied when reproduce. What would happen with DNA which has been modified before the copying process occur? Of course, the modified version will be copied as well. I hope this help you understanding whether the modified DNA would be passed on.

    16. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      There's absolutely nothing wrong with taking a moment or two to reflect on the unintended consequences of something before rushing headlong into it.

      If you can't see at least a few ethical issues that might come to play when we start directly editing genes, then.. i'm thankful that you're not involved in genetics (or ethics for that matter.)

    17. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't care about "legal systems", particularly when you explicitly state your viewpoint maxes out at sheer subjective geographically-local arbitrariness.

      I care about what's true. The embryo, whether or not you choose to consider it a "person", -will become- a person. And you are making wholesale changes to their future bodies with no consent whatsoever.

      I'm just waiting for the same Leftists who scream about male circumcision being "genital mutilation" lining up to claim vastly more intrusive changes to a person's entire body and lifetime, -without consent-, is just perfectly okay.

      A proposition is fully validated as true as soon as it's shown to be the opposite of what some religion says, eh?

    18. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by chuckugly · · Score: 1

      This is actually more than Gattaca; Gattaca was just about pre-screening and selecting "the best of both of you" from a huge number of traditionally test-tube fertilized options. There was no gene editing in Gattaca, just sequencing and selection. This new thing is full on genetic engineering, admittedly in it's own infancy.

    19. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by nine-times · · Score: 1

      It makes sense to have a little forethought and anticipate which kinds of problems you might run into, and how you might deal with them should they arise.

    20. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by avandesande · · Score: 1

      When I create someone 'naturally' I am creating them and possibly passing mutations to them without their consent. How is this different?

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    21. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      It's possible to do modification on only certain cells in the embryo. But it's a lot of work, and requires that you wait until the embryo has developed enough to have cells that are differentiated enough to be destined to be only what you want.

      These were pre-implantation embryos. Basically, balls of undifferentiated cells. So their modification would almost certainly be present in all cells (including germ cells) if the embryo were allowed to develop.

    22. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      That scenario is about detecting defects. I hate to tell you, but that ship sailed about a decade ago.

      This article is about *fixing* those defects.

    23. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by avandesande · · Score: 2

      Or moreso, when this person is born and grows up, know that I failed to treat a damaging mutation because I wanted to be 'natural' , without their consent. Which child/adult would be angrier, the one with a painful disabling disease or the one without?

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    24. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That you aren't creating them aside, you're just another sequential instance of someone else's IP, the standard and necessary mechanisms of life are not a moral issue. An overt decision for modification of them is.

      Back to the same question. I should feel free to modify your genes, then?

    25. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A small point there.

      If you accept that technology is in general a net good, then you cannot state that a specific invention isn't, simply because technology and its inventions are a spectrum. What I mean by that is, each invention leads to the next; not having invented a, which is perceived as a net bad, would never lead to b, which is perceived as a net good. If, therefore, you think that in general it is a net good, then the focus on the specific invention as bad makes no sense; it will lead to something worth it, in the future, if it is like any other invention.

      At least, I think so. Sorry. Tired...

    26. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by avandesande · · Score: 1

      If I was an embroyo with messed up gene sequence, I say yes. But since I am unable to consent I will leave it up to my parents.

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    27. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by vux984 · · Score: 1

      So what? We will deal with the problems when the happen like we always do.

      Raising the issues is the first step of dealing with them.
      Why would you argue to shut down that discussion?

    28. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I care about what's true. The embryo, whether or not you choose to consider it a "person", -will become- a person.

      Exactly, "will become". Not "currently is". Is consent necessary for the initial conception of the embryo? Did you ask the embryo if it consents to becoming a future person?

    29. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      We'll inevitably have to draw an arbitrary line somewhere regarding what should and shouldn't be done with this technology. I think outright stopping this sort of technology would be futile as there is simply going to be too much demand for it.

      Autism spectrum genes are the first thing that comes to mind as something that could definitely be contentious. To some people any noticeable deviation from the norm might warrant genetic correction. While others might take issue with even the assertion that there is anything wrong with a severely autistic person.

    30. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by avandesande · · Score: 1

      How is this different that parents consenting to correct a hole in the heart or spinal bifida through surgery on a baby?

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    31. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by avandesande · · Score: 1

      Because nobody here knows what they are talking about anyone and they are spouting a bunch of BS. They should stick to complaining about systemd.....

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    32. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay, okay. I'll suggest a compromise, a "kicking the can down the road" so to speak. When neither you nor your parents are able to consent (a function of time passing), I'll feel free to modify you per my preferences.

    33. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by avandesande · · Score: 1

      Right. So your answer to being irrefutably wrong is to create a nonsense scenario. You win the debate club with that?

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    34. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For one, the manifesting of traits via DNA is much less understood, and the scope of possible unintended consequences much greater.

    35. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except you forgot the part:

      Just because we _can_ doesn't mean we _should._

      There are HUGE implications.

      I'm sorry Dave, I can't hire you. Your DNA shows that you a heart defect that predicts you will die by 30.

      For every problem technology "solves", it creates 10 new ones.

      Pretty sure with how much companies bitch about pensions and push noncompete agreements the discrimination will go the otehr way on that one. An employee that self destructs about when you were going to want to downsize them anyway is the stuff of an MBA's wet dream.

    36. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I win everything with that. Certainly everything of yours.

      And, no, I'm absolutely right. Relax. Wait. You'll see.

      CAPTCHA: acquit

    37. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      However, it's true that while new technology solves problems, it also creates new ones.

      So what? We will deal with the problems when the happen like we always do.

      Right, because we, as a society, are doing such a great job of dealing with technological issues now...

      How's net neutrality/ISPs farming our data for profit/ Gov'ts illegally spying on us going these days, anyway?

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    38. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FRANKENSTEIN and GATTACA are BOTH GOING TO HAPPEN! It's an inevitable permutation of uncontrolled frontier-era tampering with the building blocks for life as we know it, LITERALLY! Get over it.

      Just because you want to blah blah doesn't mean it's not a real spiel with legs, bruh. You don't know all the possibilities so why pretend they're all nominal and good?

    39. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Technically, we aren't editing our genes. We're editing someone else's genes, without their consent.

      Mind if I edit yours?

      As parents can consent to medical procedures on behalf of their children often over the child's clearly communicated objections, it will be difficult to construct an argument for why they cannot consent on behalf of their fetal offspring which have no way to comunicate any objection they might theoretically hold.

    40. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by MyrddinBach · · Score: 1

      First those aren't technological problems - they are social and political problems.

      Second - there are technologies around that easily circumvent all of those things and there always will be.
      Government moves at a snails pace when compared to technological changes.

    41. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by rholtzjr · · Score: 1

      I kind of like to think about being proactive and not reactive whenever possible. That proactive does tend to get more desirable results. Whereas, reactive is like saying "Oh shit, we better take care of that someday".

    42. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      First those aren't technological problems - they are social and political problems.

      Still problems.

      Second - there are technologies around that easily circumvent all of those things and there always will be.

      And those are? Because considering those are the current fights we, socially, are engaged in, I argue that if circumvention were as easy as you claim, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

      Also, Black Hat/DefCon wouldn't exist.

      Government moves at a snails pace when compared to technological changes.

      Much technological innovation is applied militarily before it's applied civilly, so I call straight up BS on that statement. Nuclear power was used to kill before it was used to harness energy for use on the electrical grid.

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    43. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Raising the issues is the first step of dealing with them.
      Why would you argue to shut down that discussion?

      So, raise an issue -be specific so it can be dealt with.

      Don't just spread FUD about unspecified "issues".

    44. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      I guess you should read more in biology (or take a few classes). I'm not surprised that most tech people (from physic area) don't understand much about biology... DNA is being copied when reproduce. What would happen with DNA which has been modified before the copying process occur? Of course, the modified version will be copied as well. I hope this help you understanding whether the modified DNA would be passed on.

      Hmm...I didn't read the article (hey, it is slashdot), so I didn't see at what stage they were doing the DNA work....I was thinking it was further along in the process.

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    45. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Embryos have no ability to consent to anything. Consent requires cognition of at least some degree of complexity.

      An embryo with a deleterious genetic condition didn't consent to that condition, so I'm trying to sort out what precisely your issue is.

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    46. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Not even infants and children under the general age where they are deemed to be able to give consent in fact are consulted. If I had a four year old child with a brain tumor, I'm going to seek treatment, and I'm not going to ask the child whether they want to be treated or not. The GP's point is just gibberish. Why would an embryo, without a central nervous system, or at least one of sufficient complexity to even respond in anything but the most simplistic and instinctual way, get a level of consent that a ten year old usually doesn't get?

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    47. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by bilbodh · · Score: 1

      Your crap cave doesn't have cell service?

    48. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "An embryo with a deleterious genetic condition didn't consent to that condition, so I'm trying to sort out what precisely your issue is."

      But did it consent to treatment?

    49. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And for parents of 4 year olds, who in the interest of making their stand against regressive gender orthodoxy, as well as their sacred "wouldn't it be cool" personal feelings, decide their boy should be made a girl?

      Your argument works well enough with clean-cut harmful genetic conditions for which modification entails minimal possible negative side effects. It won't, however, stay within that scope, and your worldview provides no means to define a line of restriction of any "desirable" modification.

    50. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Translation: Fuck, he's right, I'd better bring in some irrelevant mutterings about transexualism, so that way I have a response.

      I'll be blunt. Doctors do not require the consent of four year olds to begin treatment for life-threatening illnesses, so why in the fuck would anyone imagine an embryo that lacks anything beyond the most rudimentary central nervous system suddenly be bequeathed that which a minor child does not possess.

      The point of the GP, and maybe that's you too, I dunno, seeing as both of you are too fucking lazy to even create a /. account, is absurd, stupid and irrelevant.

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    51. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      No, it cannot consent. It isn't legally a person, and even if it was, it would not be of the age of majority, and therefor its parents would have the right to authorize the treatment. I will repeat, doctors do not require the consent of four year olds to begin treatment, they require the consent of the legal guardian(s), so why is it you assert a right for an embryo that doesn't even exist for an actual fully-formed human being?

      Your point is nonsense. If you want to talk about the ethics of designer babies, fair enough, but what your asserting is irrational.

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    52. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A minor child does possess it, even if inconsistently applied in your subjectivist outlook that, by definition, should never be given any consideration as if it had, or could have, any objective merit.

      Legal action would certainly be taken toward parents who made physical modifications to children that were expressed as unwanted, and likely to have serious long-term ramifications.

      In such cases, straying for your simplistic straw man case, we refer to an overarching ethical model. You know, of the type you don't have, and explicitly can never have, given your worldview presuppositions.

      Eh, maybe this debate would be better conducted as a chat in an intercontinental flight. Then you could let me know what your ethical system of that minute was as we fly over the territory of one "legal system" to another. Too much room for (carefully maintained and lightly obfuscated) random unbackable ethical pronouncements you expect me to chase, and you hope to remain as subjective as needed to consistently support your whims, this way. Too much wasted time to pointlessly chase.

    53. Re: blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by raind · · Score: 0

      It's horrible nuke weapons exist. Period.

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    54. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      It makes sense to have a little forethought and anticipate which kinds of problems you might run into

      What problems do you anticipate from preventing young adults from dying? The worst that could reasonably happen is that we make a mistake and kill someone that was going to die anyway. So what's the big deal?

      There is a big difference between reasonable caution and knee jerk Ludditism.

    55. Re: blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But I'm glad we have fission-based tools like X-ray imaging and medical treatments like radiotherapy for some cancers. I'm still waiting for my too cheap to meter electricity and the various nuclear party favors we were promised as part of the atomic age though...

    56. Re: blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would you still say that if a nuke was used to destroy an incoming asteroid that would have killed a few million people?

      Captcha: purposes

    57. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by Neuronwelder · · Score: 1

      UnknownSoldier you have a valid point. Very few solutions ended up to be simple, straight forward, and without consequences. While this process holds great promise, it pays to proceed with caution.

    58. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      So sick of all the alarmist bullshit. Gene editing is GOING to happen. It's another medical technology. Get over it.

      Alarmist bullshit just means that China takes this technology and runs with it, not us.

    59. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      "And if you're going to treat certain genetic conditions, the closer to conception you can get, the easier the process is likely to be."

      One approach would be to preselect which specific gametes get to join in the first place, rather than rolling the natural conception dice.

    60. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by Whibla · · Score: 1

      ... That is a horrible thing to say. If we can eliminate genetic disease we should. Those people that are plagued by those diseases will be better off.

      Whilst I tend to agree with you there are 'diseases' for which opinion is divided, such as some forms of congenital deafness. There are some parents who vociferously argue against curing their progeny, saying that it takes away as much as it gives. I'm not deaf, so I can't comment from a personal perspective, but, given that one's first language influences neuronal development (or at least development of thought processes), having a child whose primary means of communication is sign language would seems to give weight to this opinion.

      We have the luxury to question 'should a technology be developed' because others recognized that it should even when they didn't understand all the huge implications. Our lives are better because of it.

      You could equally argue that we have that luxury to question whether a technology should be developed because others recognised that it shouldn't, even when they didn't understand all the implications. You don't need to understand all the implications to recognise that one that you can see is a deal breaker.

      Please note, I'm partly playing Devil's Advocate here, but do genuinely think that responsible research, based on informed discussion (along the lines of what took place at Asilomar back when biotech crossed the line from science fiction to real science) is a better way forward than an unregulated free for all. However I also strongly suspect, given my penchant for science fiction, that the genie is well and truly out of the bottle. What we can imagine, someone will attempt, somewhere...

    61. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by Rolgar · · Score: 1

      So, what if the parents want to edit their child's genes to make them economically successful, but it's also going to result in the kid being a sociopath? Who gets to say if its good or bad? I'll tell you, the parents paying the money and if this doctor says no, some other will say yes, and eventually, we'll end up with a society of 75% Donald Trumps.

    62. Re: blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      When you understand chemistry and nuclear physics you have nuclear weapons. It's intrinsic to any science or technology that unlocks higher energy concentrations. More people died from gun powder and steel. Do you have similar sentiments to those technologies or are you irrationally afraid of that technology because "nuclear"?

      Reality is a horrible place to live. If your not willing to claw, fight, and struggle to survive then mother nature will bitch slap you into the grave.

    63. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by nine-times · · Score: 1

      The worst that could reasonably happen is that we make a mistake and kill someone that was going to die anyway. So what's the big deal?

      Well first, I'd like to point out that we're all going to "die anyway". If you're taking the position that it doesn't matter what you do to a person if they end up dead anyway, then it's equivalent to claiming that it doesn't matter what you do to people. So I think we should accept that it does matter what happens to people if they are "going to die anyway." You might help them live longer, or you might kill them more quickly. You might improve their quality of life, or you might degrade it. If you take someone who would die anyway, and make that life shorter, and degrade their quality of life, that matters.

      But even then, making someone's life shorter and worse is not the worst thing that could plausibly happen. For example, in a few decades, we could find out that we hadn't understood exactly how DNA and this editing technology works, and that we've introduced a new genetic disease that's less easy to repair. This new disease has now been spread to the descendants of the people who had this repair done. And if we start using this technology willy-nilly, we might find that instead of a handful of people with the current genetic diseases, we have hundreds of people with a new disease that's even worse.

      That's just one idea. It might not be likely but I don't think it's ridiculous to think that we don't fully understand how all this stuff works yet. Part of the problem with this kind of new technology is, by nature of being new, we might not even know what the risks and downsides are yet. It's very difficult to assess the risks of an activity that hasn't been done before, and so one of the risks that needs to be assessed is, "The risk of something completely unknown that we haven't even thought of yet."

    64. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And not just by scientists but also by ethicists, philosophers, and the like.

    65. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So sick of all the alarmist bullshit. Murder is GOING to happen. It's another criminal activity. Get over it.

    66. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gene editing is GOING to happen. It's another medical technology. Get over it.

      And of course, gene editing is GOING to be abused. Get over it.

      (BTW did you actually SEE Gattaca?)

    67. Re: blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And shouting down anyone trying to discuss it is the best way of keeping it that way. You pox munching, arse wearing, unsightly cesspit of mis-directed fecundity.

    68. Re:blah blah GATTACA blah FRANKENSTEIN blah by just+another+AC · · Score: 1

      It makes sense to have a little forethought and anticipate which kinds of problems you might run into

      What problems do you anticipate from preventing young adults from dying? The worst that could reasonably happen is...

      ... overpopulation leading to contention over food resources resulting in all out nuclear war wiping all life permanently from the face of the earth.

      This is why people get in trouble, because they lack imagination for the big problems

  2. What?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Designer babies that don't suddenly die of inherited diseases OHMEGRD KILL IT WITH FIRE. /s

    That disease may have been beneficial in 0.0075% of situations we shouldn't get rid of it! /s

  3. Greg Bear called it, of course by sheramil · · Score: 3, Informative

    Just gonna leave this here -

    http://www.baen.com/Chapters/ERBAEN0036/ERBAEN0036___1.htm

    1. Re:Greg Bear called it, of course by taiwanjohn · · Score: 1

      I was reminded of a slightly different cultural reference: GATTACA! GATTACA!

      Seriously though, this is precisely the type of genetic augmentation that was at the heart of that excellent movie. One has to wonder how long it will be before this sort of thing is commonplace.

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    2. Re:Greg Bear called it, of course by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the link.

    3. Re:Greg Bear called it, of course by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Ugh. Could you not have summarised the 10,000+ word story just a bit?

      Even just a hint. Gene editing good? Gene editing bad?

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    4. Re:Greg Bear called it, of course by sims+2 · · Score: 0

      I'm sure we will get where we can play around with genetics like that in the future but that's not what's being discussed today.
      What's being discussed today is the minimum we want out of this research making sure children will be healthy by avoiding known bad combinations.

      Once they finally get it going where they can actually make designer children (designer example: I want it to be 14ft tall, male, bright purple eyes, fast runner with bright green hair.) we're going to see a lot of crazy shit but still it should be better in most every case than people having children they don't even want in the first place.
      So with this in a few years we will be able to have children that have a much lower risk than normal of having a debilitating disease from birth but will otherwise share the traits of their parents.

      I'm not even sure if most people (today anyway) would even want their child customised most seem to be most concerned with them looking like them and being healthy. Usually in that order.

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    5. Re:Greg Bear called it, of course by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 1

      Alan Arkin as Detective Hugo. Brilliant performance.

    6. Re:Greg Bear called it, of course by sims+2 · · Score: 2

      In the story gene editing was causing spontaneous death later in life due to flaw in the edit that was used for nearly an entire generation.

      Gene editing was being used to make people pretty smart and fit.

      So i'd think the moral was supposed to be gene editing bad.

      Great so you don't even know what it does and you're using it on millions of children.

      There was a non GMO complaining that they weren't as good as the GMOs then the GMOs started dying because the scientists royally screwed up..then the non GMO didn't feel so bad about themselves anymore.

      Still the non GMO just lucked out to begin with being normal and healthy.

      Due mainly to survivorship bias most everyone thinks this is fine because they turned out fine.

      IMHO
      Gene editing is going to be a net positive by large.
      As Baljeet said "Choices left to random chance are highly irresponsible"

      You could have a normal child or you could have one that's dumber than a rock and only has one hand or anything in between.

      Or you can have most of the really bad combinations removed so you have a almost guaranteed chance of having a normal healthy child.

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    7. Re:Greg Bear called it, of course by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      Or you can have most of the really bad combinations removed so you have a almost guaranteed chance of having a normal healthy child.

      If you live in a first world country, and have money.
       
      While I don't disagree that this is potentially awesome for humanity, the problem is that we don't have a social structure that won't severely disadvantage a large subset of the population. When the well-educated and well-off don't need to suffer the financial penalties of chronic disease and disability, they will further the gap between themselves and those poor people who do.
       
      There will always people too poor or too "principled" to gene edit, and who will instead suffer disproportionately more disease and disability. This has all the potential to become the next major driver of wealth and power disparity in the world.

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    8. Re:Greg Bear called it, of course by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      Seems to be a good argument in favor of universal health care.
      UHC like regular insurance tends to not like new things so it wouldn't be available at first but if it was found to be beneficial (improving long term health and thus lowering needed health care spending) they would eventually cover it too.

      Without it it will happen exactly like you said.

      Yes some people won't do it.
      I wonder if those people will be thought of the same as the anti vaxxers are today.

      It's interesting to think about but it's all still fairly distant and there are a lot of problems left to solve.

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    9. Re:Greg Bear called it, of course by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      Well, not as malicious as the anti-vaxers, that's for sure. Not getting your embryo's down-syndrome fixed hurts you and your kid. Not getting vaccinated for measles can kill people who even got vaccinated.
       
      But I agree with universal health care. That would likely take the most expensive and debilitating hereditary diseases and cure them first, then work on the more common random ones and the less debilitating but still awful ones. Would be nice to gradually move towards a population without crippling genetic diseases.

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  4. Sickle Cell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Would it be racialist to eliminate sickle cell?

    1. Re:Sickle Cell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Since sickle cell has been shown to be a positive species survival characteristic in malaria infested regions, hence the reason the adaptation has survived, it would be a wise thing only once the malaria is controlled.

    2. Re:Sickle Cell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but the gene for sickle cell anemia is an advantage in historical malaria-prone areas, which is why it was being maintained in the population of Africa, parts of the Middle East, India, and the eastern Mediterranean. Calling it a "judgement" against people is silly. It's no more a "judgement" than menalin deficiency is a judgement against white people living in polar climates.

    3. Re:Sickle Cell by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      It's only a positive trait when heterozygous (One sickle-cell gene, one normal gene). It's deadly when homozygous (two sickle-cell genes).

      With 50% of children getting a bad combination (25% two sickle-cell, 25% zero sickle-cell and thus no malaria protection), we should probably be relying on other mechanisms to control the disease.

    4. Re:Sickle Cell by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      Sickle-cell is a mutation in a single gene, so theoretically this could eliminate it. The hard part will be doing the gene editing on every embryo that has it until the gene is eliminated.

    5. Re: Sickle Cell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're saying we should eliminate the negroids who are a harbor for malaria? That is racist.

    6. Re:Sickle Cell by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      The sickle-cell mutation isn't in a chromosomal area associated with skin colour or nose shape. The mutation has probably occurred, multiple times, in all racial groups, but the only one where it produced a significant selection advantage was in West Africa, where most people are of "African" stereotypes. (There's a non-trivial population from the Tuareg and other desert nomads in parts of West Africa, but malaria is not much of a desert disease, so the selection advantage died off as those groups moved around.)

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  5. Re:GOD WILL GET YOU! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm more worried about Peter Pan.

  6. Doing it wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mad Scientists for the first time have successfully edited genes in human embryos to induce a common and serious disease-causing mutation, producing apparently unhealthy embryos

    Bwuhahahahaahaha

    1. Re:Doing it wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I take offense to that! I'm not *MAD*! I'm just misunderstood and villianized by the media.

      So I like to have sharks with lasers embedded in their heads, or a three headed dog the size of a horse, or even a seven tailed cat... Doesn't make me mad.

  7. emacs by PPH · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is there anything it can't do?

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    1. Re:emacs by Albanach · · Score: 2

      Nothing that couldn't be done with twenty fewer keystrokes using vim.

    2. Re:emacs by neoRUR · · Score: 1

      More like Gmacs...

    3. Re:emacs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There should be an Emacs Lisp package for that. There really should be.

    4. Re:emacs by hord · · Score: 2

      edit text.

    5. Re:emacs by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      Depends on what you're doing. What I did today, you'd lose that one big time. I was able to create a macro and told it to run about 10,000 times. To do that same task in vi.. well you'd be there a really long time. Beginners use VI. Professionals use emacs.

  8. Down's Syndrome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have a super cool teenager with Down's Syndrome, there was never a question of carrying to term, and no regrets. But I wonder if there will ever be a way to early DNA hack enough cells to flip a kid to being a mostly unmutated chimera with a shot at no physical weakness or IQ hit. I dont feel sorry for her, but what would I give for another 50 IQ points and a similar bump in social skill.

    1. Re:Down's Syndrome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      no regrets

      Except your post was full of them.

    2. Re:Down's Syndrome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The problem with fixing a systemic issue like Down's Syndrome or many of the dystrophies is that the body adapts to the disease. If the disease is removed after adaptation, as you seem to wish, there are questions as to both how much recovery is still possible and whether the adapted physiology is dependent on the disease and removing it would make things worse or be too much of a shock to the system.

      Since Downs is a result of a semi-random error in the reproductive process more than the genetics of the parent, I suspect the only way Downs would ever be solved is by moving all early embryo development to the lab and fixing it within the first days. But nobody would fix it. They'd simply never implant that embryo.

      The dystrophies, however, could / would be solved this way.

    3. Re:Down's Syndrome by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 1

      Parent wishes child's life is better === Parent regrets having child.

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    4. Re:Down's Syndrome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >willfully created another person who can't even make it to the starting line then wishes things were better

      She should have shitted in her hand; it would have filled first.

    5. Re:Down's Syndrome by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      But I wonder if there will ever be a way to early DNA hack enough cells to flip a kid to being a mostly unmutated chimera with a shot at no physical weakness or IQ hit.

      The "mostly unmutated chimera" contradicts the "no physical weakness or IQ hit" bit.

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  9. I can't wait for the next Luddites by Baron_Yam · · Score: 2

    It's going to be a fun fight, but I suspect the initial discrimination will be against the modified, not the unmodified.

    But if I can open up a catalog and choose the best designer genes to have edited into my future child so they're healthy and strong (and smart, if we figure out the rats' nest of interconnected genes influencing intelligence), damn right I'd buy every 'upgrade' I could.

    1. Re:I can't wait for the next Luddites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hes also a bitcoin expert here to counsel us all about the folly of bitcoin

    2. Re:I can't wait for the next Luddites by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      But if I can open up a catalog and choose the best designer genes... damn right I'd buy every 'upgrade' I could.

      And thus, a subtle and unconscious admission that the benefits of such technology will likely be cost-prohibitive for the vast majority of the human population.

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    3. Re:I can't wait for the next Luddites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dited into my future child so they're healthy and strong (and smart, if we figure out the rats' nest of interconnected genes influencing intelligence), damn right I'd buy every 'upgrade' I could.

      Improving your kids? Small thinking.

      Whole body transplants are where it's at. This means curing the known medical issues from dying, decaying and decrypt bags of "naturally" selected flesh.

      Sure, this could create a whole new level of botched plastic surgery. But I am willing to let the fabulously wealthy take one for the team and try experimental editing first.

      Even in limited per-organ this could be a huge money maker. Perhaps they could start by editing some scalp skin that's not susceptible to DHT poisoning? Imagine: a true permanent cure to male pattern baldness. Drop off a biopsy one week. Come back for a scalp transplant once the skin is ready to apply.

    4. Re:I can't wait for the next Luddites by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      So's clean water. It's unfortunate, but life isn't fair. We can try to improve it, but it's never going to be perfect.

    5. Re:I can't wait for the next Luddites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, American healthcare. The rest of the world will be getting a standard set of buffs while y'all celebrate the freedom to be born poor and untweaked.

    6. Re:I can't wait for the next Luddites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want to improve your kids, encourage your wife to expand her sexual horizons.

    7. Re:I can't wait for the next Luddites by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      You can make a functional water filter out of sand and charcoal.

      Next strawman.

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    8. Re:I can't wait for the next Luddites by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      Go save the world, then. There are a lot of people who don't have a clean water supply, yet you're likely getting processed municipal water from your tap when you're not drinking bottled water while making ignorant and sarcastic comments on the Internet.

      It'd be just AWESOME if you got off your ass and made sure everyone on the planet had safe water before you next twist that tap for yourself.

    9. Re:I can't wait for the next Luddites by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      Hey look, the guy too busy being offended to get the point!

      ANYONE can make a sand and charcoal water filter, assuming they have access to silica and wood.

      Genetic modification will only be available to the richest of the rich, and there's no natural substitute.

      Maybe if you weren't so focused on your own hubris, you'd get into less idiotic arguments via misunderstanding.

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    10. Re:I can't wait for the next Luddites by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      Hey look, the guy too busy being an arrogant ass to get the point!

      ANYONE can get genetic modifications, assuming they have access to a lab and supplies.

      Reliable safe drinking water is only available to portions of the industrialized world and there's no way around that.

      Maybe if you weren't so focused on your own hubris, you'd get into less idiotic arguments via misunderstanding.

      You know, and GET THE FUCKING POINT that life is unfair, and that's not a good reason to deny your children the best you can give them.

      I give my kids clean water when there are kids who go without, I'd give them gene therapy despite there being kids who will go without.

      Moron.

  10. We're not ready for this by RhettLivingston · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If we had this in mass use today, I believe we'd end up removing many positive attributes from the human germ line. We are very quick to limit what we consider "normal" without a full understanding of the effects beyond the individual and caregivers that a trait has.

    For example, it has been shown that ADD is a success trait in more nomadic societies. Those with ADD get "treated" today because they don't fit into our education system. Most ADD disappears as a problem in adults not because it actually goes away but because they are finally free to fill the type of slot that nature chose for them. They find a career and life that benefits from dropping stability and going.

    Another example is autism. Many of our geniuses have been a little off in the autism spectrum. Eliminating that variance in the germ line could dampen innovation forever.

    There are many other examples of traits that fill positive roles in our society that we would probably seek to edit out because the people with them don't fit into the "norm". Until we gain the capacity to understand that the norm must be judged in relation to making sure that the larger animal is "normal" and has all of its individual "organs" intact, we aren't ready for this.

    1. Re:We're not ready for this by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Until we gain the capacity to understand that the norm must be judged in relation to making sure that the larger animal is "normal" and has all of its individual "organs" intact, we aren't ready for this.

      That sounds like some hocus-pocus mysticism right there. Just because some traits have some advantage in some situations doesn't mean they're "good" in any kind of objective sense, let alone that they need to be kept around. WTF do "success traits in more nomadic societies" have to do with modern human life? Why in the world should we condemn millions of children to living with debilitating autism just because maybe it will result in 1 or 2 more geniuses than we would otherwise have? These kinds of complaints always sound quasi-religious to me. Except your god seems to be some vague feeling that "nature knows best".

    2. Re:We're not ready for this by erapert · · Score: 1
      Autism is related to genius. Long ago brilliant people were often noted to be "eccentric". Today we would consider such people to be on the autism spectrum-- high functioning, but still on the spectrum. Mozart, Newton, and many others are in this category.

      Neither I nor RhettLivingston think that millions of children ("THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!") should suffer from debilitating autism. But RhettLivingston seems to be saying that we should be cautious of simply editing out anything that isn't "normal" lest we throw out the baby with the bath water.

      WTF do "success traits in more nomadic societies" have to do with modern human life?

      This is a facile argument.
      The point is not that we need nomads in modern society. It's that such deviant personalities and traits allow humanity to adapt to new situations. You're not trying to say that human evolution is and should be at a complete halt are you?

      Except your god seems to be some vague feeling that "nature knows best".

      Straw man. Try again.

    3. Re:We're not ready for this by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      You've managed to respond to all of my points without answering a single one of them. I hope the OP gives it a shot.

    4. Re:We're not ready for this by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      So who decides where to draw the line? The parents? Doctors? Politicians? How far along the spectrum do you have to be before autism is considered "serious" enough to be edited? Do you edit out all mutations, or just enough to slide to a higher functioning level on the scale? How do you control for the environmental factors? While many people embrace their "genius", plenty of others fall into depression and would gladly trade a few points of IQ just for the ability to socialize and feel comfortable around people. While Down's Syndrome could be "fixed" (for lack of a better term) relatively easy, autism is much more complicated.

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    5. Re:We're not ready for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure but normally there are tradeoffs to everything. For example I have sensory processing disorder (and probably on the autism spectrum) which gives me essentially super-human abilities. I notice things other people don't. I maintain intrinsic details in my head. I have reflexes that are way faster than normal. I can do most physical skills on the first try (I'm the person that has never thrown a dart before and hits the bulls-eye on the first shot). I once shot a .22 rifle from the hip and hit a 1/2 inch target at a quarter mile on the first try. Even I don't know how I do it, I don't even think about it.

      With that said, I would trade it all away in an instant to not have the constant anxiety I get from my brain being overloaded 24/7. There is so much input to my brain and body that they can't take it and break down in the most torturous way you can imagine. Just living every day is hell. I have to spend most of my time in a specially insulated room that I built inside my house. It blocks noise, vibration, and the walls are a flat dull white with no features.

      So given a choice I'd wish for the edit that makes me normal. However, if there is a chance someone could have these abilities but somehow turn them on and off or at least manage them in a normal life then that would be a really cool advancement for humans. It's unknown if the human DNA is even capable of doing that though because it seems to gain anything above normal you always lose something somewhere else. Maybe it's in our evolutionary path to overcome that. I don't know.

    6. Re:We're not ready for this by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      I think the idea that you, or anyone really, can have an "objective sense" of what genetics are worth keeping or tossing when it comes to our species sounds like hocus-pocus. Admittedly the allure of eugenics has always been strong in human societies. It essentially took the Nazi's championing it last time to get it pushed back.

    7. Re:We're not ready for this by erapert · · Score: 3, Funny

      So who decides where to draw the line? The parents? Doctors? Politicians?

      My gut tells me that it should be the parents who decide.

      How far along the spectrum do you have to be before autism is considered "serious" enough to be edited?

      I think that should be up to the parents.

      Do you edit out all mutations, or just enough to slide to a higher functioning level on the scale?

      The article I linked to (and other papers I've read on the subject) are indicating that there's some kind of link between high functioning autism and genius. But if we also recall the words of historical geniuses like Einstein, Edison, and Franklin they all seem to think that hard work is the most important trait; the stubborn pursuit of a thing until they get it. Autism frequently provides this obsession. So I think this all needs more study so that we can determine what exactly is the thing that we want and how do we get it without letting people suffer.

      If the parents just don't want to take any chances chasing clouds and finagling "genius" into their kid while risking full blown autism then by all means let them just edit out a potentially devastating problem in their kid.

      I'm just trying to say we shouldn't iron everyone into a "normal" because genius is, by definition, abnormal. We all want the good without the bad but in the case of genius it appears to be closely bound up and related to the bad of autism.

      Furthermore, the very diversity of traits among a species is what allows that species to continue to survive and evolve. If we put all our traits into a single "normal" basket then we risk complete loss of our species if our situation/environment changes.

      How do you control for the environmental factors?

      I don't know. I don't think anyone does for sure.

      While many people embrace their "genius", plenty of others fall into depression and would gladly trade a few points of IQ just for the ability to socialize and feel comfortable around people.

      I know. There's is a lot of tragedy involved in living. But let's not let our loathing of tragedy drive us into compounding our problems. Let's think carefully and work diligently to come up with good solutions.

      While Down's Syndrome could be "fixed" (for lack of a better term) relatively easy, autism is much more complicated.

      Agreed.

    8. Re:We're not ready for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dampen innovation forever? You think they're going to start editing every gene in every single human? Yes, it is possible for genetic changes to produce 'dumber' individuals. It happened to you.

    9. Re:We're not ready for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most ADD disappears as a problem in adults not because it actually goes away but because they are finally free to fill the type of slot that nature chose for them.

      As someone with ADHD that was only diagnosed in my thirties, this is bullshit. Not my opinion. The opinion you express is no longer the mainstream medical view. ADHD is a lifetime condition and outcomes are SIGNIFICANTLY better across a number of health metrics for people with ADHD on medication vs those without medication. Mental health needs to be respected like anything else. You're opinion is outdated and no longer mainstream medicine. ADHD is a lifetime condition! And, people ADHD are much more likely to become addicts if unmedicated, not if medicated (the complete opposite of what we were taught for years).

    10. Re:We're not ready for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is where medical ethics comes into play. Many of those hereditary point mutations that cause reduced life spans have been researched to the single originator, say a specific Spanish man in the 16th century for example. It doesn't take much moral pondering and struggling with common sense to reduce the impact of those conditions in the population.

    11. Re:We're not ready for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's great, we can now deliberately breed stupid people to fill the ranks of the police ...
      http://thefreethoughtproject.com/court-police-departments-refuse-hire-smart/

  11. Some clarifications by Daetrin · · Score: 4, Informative

    1: It's not quite a dupe, but this seems to be confirmation of the previously unconfirmed story posted on Slashdot last week: https://science.slashdot.org/s...

    2: As reported in both TFA and the previous Slashdot story, the "powerful new gene-editing technique" is CRISPR. (As i'm sure many here could have guessed.)

    3: As reported in the previous Slashdot story this is not exactly a "breakthrough". It's the first time it's been done in the US (officially) but teams in other parts of the world have been done it officially (and probably unofficially) as well. This study from China earlier this year claims to be the first attempt to edit "normal" embryos, but earlier attempts had been made with "abnormal" embryos.

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    1. Re:Some clarifications by chuckugly · · Score: 1

      The technique is a way to allow CRISPR to be injected early enough to prevent chimerism. Previous techniques used CRISPR but had issues this technique avoids.

    2. Re:Some clarifications by starless · · Score: 1

      3: As reported in the previous Slashdot story this is not exactly a "breakthrough". It's the first time it's been done in the US (officially) but teams in other parts of the world have been done it officially (and probably unofficially) as well. .

      My understanding from the article is that the breakthrough aspects are: (1) all cells in the embryos where this worked had their genes
      corrected without "mosaicing", where some cells would be changed and others wouldn't. (2) No other genetic changes were introduced.
      So this is a big technical advance.

      Also, as a scientific bonus, a peculiarity was found in that the material for the genetic correction came from the eggs, rather than the
      material they introduced. However, this may be a drawback for actually making specific changes. Particularly where the eggs don't
      already carry "good" genetic code.

    3. Re:Some clarifications by Daetrin · · Score: 1

      So they've gone from a 16.6% success rate in the Chinese experiment to a 66.6% success rate in this one. It sounds like they're claiming the breakthrough was using CRISPR at the time of fertilization. But the Chinese experiment supposedly involved using CRISPR while the embryos were still single-celled.

      I'm unsure of A: how those two techniques differ enough to cause a success rate four times higher, and B: how the Chinese experiment ended up with two mosaics if CRISPR was used while the embryos were still single-celled.

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    4. Re:Some clarifications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also PGD has been a thing for years. Just grow a few embryos to be 8 cells large, pluck off a cell, do DNA testing on it, keep the cell with the best qualities. Obviously this approach is limiting, but just saying we've already had designer babies for years.

  12. Correcting Dangerous Genes by mentil · · Score: 1

    So this technique could be used to eliminate the problems of inbreeding depression, right?
    Asking for a friend.

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    1. Re:Correcting Dangerous Genes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are joking, but in case of small isolated populations (extraterrestrial human colonies), that may become a necessary procedure. Small number of exclusively women colonizers will have to live like social insect colonies, breeding only female clones (necessary for medical logistics optimization and successful organ donations when needed) and hand-pick and weed their genes. It is only if and when the colonies achieve more abundance of resources that they may switch to "natural" procreation.

  13. The Road To Hell by Sindar+By+Choice · · Score: 0

    is paved with good intentions.

  14. ME AM PLAY GODS! by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 1

    Actually, playing god would mean introducing genetic defects. We're correcting his and nature's incompetence.

    This is only the beginning and there isn't a damned thing you paranoid luddites can do to stop it.

    1. Re:ME AM PLAY GODS! by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      Billions of years of evolution through trial and error; versus less than 100 years of research by humans -- and you think we can do better?

      I get the technology fetish people have, especially on a tech site.. but come on. That level of hubris never works out well.

    2. Re:ME AM PLAY GODS! by rsilvergun · · Score: 0
      How about we apply that to other natural phenomenon:

      Billions of years growing food through trial and error; versus 5000 years of farming... and you think we can do better?

      Billions of years getting well through trial and error; versus less than 500 years of medicine... and you think we can do better?

      Well, yeah. I do. Very damn little turns out well when left to chance.

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    3. Re:ME AM PLAY GODS! by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      Trial, error and random chance.

      Yes we can do better.

      Doing better isn't hard when you have a existing product.

      We don't have to reinvent the wheel just tweak it a bit.

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  15. Re:GMO food, GMO people. by penandpaper · · Score: 1

    Is this a Poe? I honestly can't tell with how retarded anti-GMO people are.

  16. The Statists Love This by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I can't wait until the Statist Elites breed themselves to superiority over the rest of us.

    1. Re:The Statists Love This by avandesande · · Score: 1

      I for one welcome our new genetically pure statist overlords!

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  17. Re:The Same People Who LOOOOVE Evolution by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 2

    I hope that you are joking, for it would be difficult to reveal more ignorance and prejudice in just two lines.

  18. Eat The Rich by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

    This will be a fantastic technological evolution for the likes of Warren Buffett and Donald Trump.

    For the rest of us... if they can jack up the cost of necessary medication like EpiPens by orders of magnitude, for no reason other than "profit," how accessible do you honestly think gene editing will be for you and yours?

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  19. Bad Genes by whitlocktj · · Score: 1

    If someone has bad genes just give them a pair of Levi's.

  20. Reading headline, I can just hear Magneto sneering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "they're calling it a cure".

  21. No mutation? by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    The experiment corrected the defect in nearly two-thirds of several dozen embryos, without causing potentially dangerous mutations elsewhere in the DNA

    Do they survey the entire genome before and after the edition to check that?

    Also, I wonder if an edition could higher (or lower) the odds of mutations later in lifetime at some specific place in the DNA

  22. small scale by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And thus, a subtle and unconscious admission that the benefits of such technology will likely be cost-prohibitive for the vast majority of the human population.

    It depends. Not everything has to be paid in advance. I am certain that we will see rise of "Genetic IP Indenture" where human beings will be encumbered by contractual obligations before they are even born, to return profit to entrepreneur investors into their genetic excellence, over the lifetime of the g.modified. And if offspring of that people inherit these precious genes, they too will be obliged to the contract/copyright owners. I guess that will be especially good opportunity for pension funds to invest into (long term and all that). Ultimately, everybody will have opportunity to chip in. Oh, and the lives of the "invested in" will be insured, so ... if they underachieve, they may still give back, by accident .
    So there, who says capitalism isn't good for everyone? /sarcasm

  23. Re:This is wonderful news by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

    Go back to tweeting, Donald. By the way, Vladimir wants a blowjob.

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