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Silicon Valley Says Trump Plan To Reduce Immigration Will Hurt Economy (cbslocal.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from CBS Local: President Donald Trump's push to cut legal immigration to the United States in half is being met by opposition from Silicon Valley leaders, economists, and even some Republicans senators, who all say legal immigration is key to economic prosperity. The Trump administration Wednesday endorsed the Reforming American Immigration for a Strong Economy Act or RAISE Act, a Senate bill introduced by two Republican senators earlier this year, that aims to cut all U.S. immigration in half. Business leaders, especially those in California's tech industry, say the bill will stymie their ability to fill jobs and grow the U.S. economy. California's economy is the sixth largest in the world and many attribute that success, in part, to immigration. The Information Technology Industry Council, which represents companies including Amazon, Apple, Adobe, Dell, Facebook, Hewlett-Packard, Google, Visa, Nokia, and Microsoft railed against the bill.
Dean Garfield, President and CEO of the council said, "This is not the right proposal to fix our immigration system because it does not address the challenges tech companies face, injects more bureaucratic dysfunction, and removes employers as the best judge of the employee merits they need to succeed and grow the U.S. economy." Garfield argues that the tech industry cannot find enough STEM-skilled Americans to fill open positions and that U.S. immigration policy "stops us from keeping the best and brightest innovators here in the U.S. and instead we lose out to our overseas competitors."
Dean Garfield, President and CEO of the council said, "This is not the right proposal to fix our immigration system because it does not address the challenges tech companies face, injects more bureaucratic dysfunction, and removes employers as the best judge of the employee merits they need to succeed and grow the U.S. economy." Garfield argues that the tech industry cannot find enough STEM-skilled Americans to fill open positions and that U.S. immigration policy "stops us from keeping the best and brightest innovators here in the U.S. and instead we lose out to our overseas competitors."
Hurts it MORE.
If we couldn't outsource their jobs (and actually get them done, which is a problem with outsourcing) and we couldn't import cheap labor from overseas, we'd have to pay programmers over $200K/year. And that would be terrible, because
Oh. Never mind.
Bruce Perens.
Of course SV will be against, they have a huge conflict of interest in the matter. They keep importing under-paid code monkey who accept to work 70h a week in constant stressful environment with no job security, while firing and discriminating against older, more pragmatic, american staffers.
A San Francisco station is reporting Trump policy is making some people upset? I'm -shocked-.
because not all immigrants are alike.
People bringing with them cold hard cash, and spending them in USA = boon for the economy
People bringing nothing, and actually sending whatever money they make back to their original country to feed their relatives back home = drain on the economy
People with skills who produce wealth = boon for the economy
People with no marketable skill who collect entitlements = drain on the economy
It hurts their ability to grow the economy? Oh, boo hoo, they have to pay more for American workers.
If a handful of American salaries turns your project from a profit to a loss, you are running on razor-thin margins to begin with. Maybe your company should be doing something else instead.
On the other hand, if you're making a decent profit and just want more---get fucked. Public policy doesn't need to hand out special benefits to successful businesses. Right now, the middle class needs a little more help than the shareholders.
Real immigration means coming over here, making a life, and investing long-term in the well-being of this country. The H1B program isn't immigration; it's indentured servitude V2.0
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Trump-hating liberals oppose something that Trump supports. I may die of shock.
Proud neuron in the Slashdot hivemind since 2002.
except they'll have to pay them more.
Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son.
Has't this sort of thing been heard before?
Modern American politician : "The economy cannot survive without immigrants"
Ancient Greek politician : "Civilisation cannot survive without slavery"
So much brainwashing. It hurts already to read such comments on FB posts, or Yahoo News comment section, but here, which is supposed to be a website for educated IT people ... dreadful.
Yeah they do. Trump wants to severely reduce the number of LEGAL immigrants we take in and his supporters are frothing white supremacists who would completely end all immigration tomorrow.
Trump has admitted that he wants to stop all legal immigration for one or two years.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-g...
You are welcome on my lawn.
The skill requirement makes it practically a carbon copy of Australia and Canada: your ability to enter is a function of your knowledge of the local language (English, or in Canada's case English or French), skills, education level, and ability to get a job. They want people who are useful to the country and can fit in.
The difference is the path to legal citizenship in those commonwealth countries is once you've lived/worked there for 5 years or so, citizenship opportunity. No country of origin quotas or green card queues which encourage queue-jumping, visa overstays and under-the-table work. This second part should be copied as well.
Plenty of opportunities here. And no Trump.
Funny thing is... this proposed plan would move US immigration policy closer to that of Canada and the EU, with more emphasis on prioritizing immigrants with particular skills and/or some level of wealth.
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Whats dreadful, is the willful ignorance of the "to be conquered"... When you end up with NOGO zones, you are being CURRENTLY conquered. Its the NEW invasion tactic. You just CHOOSE to ignore or deny this. That does not mean it isn't happening and isn't a reality for MANY non-Muslims facing an invading force, unwilling to assimilate... You can go on Youtube or dozens of other places, and listen to HUNDREDS of Muslim Imams state OPENLY that they are using the Refugee crisis in Europe to INFILTRATE and commit acts of terrorism in the western world. Hell, they are PROUD of it... Anyone denying that Radical Islam is a problem for the western world still, just isn't paying attention to world events. Period. As a technician of 27 years, and someone who spends 15-20 hours a day online, doing research, across the web... I can tell you that the sampling I take as far as information, spans BOTH sides of the debate. Unfortunately, facts are facts, and they don't support the "Religion of Peace" that Islam keeps telling us they are all about. More like the "Religion of Pieces" As several European leaders have quoted...
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This is not the right proposal to fix our immigration system because it does not address the challenges tech companies face, injects more bureaucratic dysfunction, and removes employers as the best judge of the employee merits they need to succeed and grow the U.S. economy." Garfield argues that the tech industry cannot find enough STEM-skilled Americans to fill open positions and that U.S. immigration policy "stops us from keeping the best and brightest innovators here in the U.S. and instead we lose out to our overseas competitors."
Translated: "Where the fuck are we going to get our cheap programmers????"
If you hold a green card in the US for 5 years you too can become a US citizen. So the same basic "path" at Australia and Canada. We just don't have their common-sense point system - yet.
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
"removes employers as the best judge of the employee merits they need to succeed"
You mean all those Indian managers, who once get a management spot, only hire other Indians? yea, it'd be a shame if they couldn't hire only other Indians.
I'm sorry but I've personally seen this multiple times in multiple places and it's no longer funny. I've had to deal with the bugs and blame-game that comes from this favouritism so much it's downright aggravating.
Yes, I know not all Indians are like this, and it's not just Indians, but there are enough that are, that's it's troubling.
And this isn't even talking about the sweatshop problem that other posters have mentioned.
Abusing H1-B to import indian worker to replace US staff *is* a problem, yet "legal".
You think you can just have stuff for free made by low-rent "other" people, in perpetuity, with no cost to you or your children? Aren't we a little entitled? And by we I mean you and every other armchair economist who's never set foot inside a factory and has to call a repairman to plug in your refrigerator.
> "employers as the best judge of the employee merits they need to succeed and grow the U.S. economy"
"employee merits" being, cheap labor willing to work killer hours, terrified of being fired. I mean, what employer wouldn't want that?
"grow the U.S. economy" being, grow the net worth of US-based companies.
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
Yeah, you tell 'em brother, because nothing like that would ever happen in the United States. No religion would carve out its own enclave in this country or force women to submit to its "teachings". Nor would they harass girls or demand their religious take precedence.
Seriously.
It's basically "have job prospects", and "know english well enough to get by".
How the fuck is that going to hurt the economy?
Because they can't hire stupid, illiterate illegals for pennies on the dollar to watch their kids and clean their homes/offices?
BOO FUCKIN' HOO!
And Silicon Valley. One of the most overheated real estate markets on the planet?
Where are these poor schlubs going to live? You expect them to commute from what? OREGON?
These people need to pull their heads out of their a^H^H^SAFE SPACES...and take a look at the really real world...
Because their attachment to fantasy is destroying them and trying to take the state and country down as well.
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
Actually, it has exactly the immigration policy I think it has.
The article you linked to is not about immigration policy. It is a flame-bait piece railing against supposed rampant illegal immigration and decrying how some Canadian cities are declaring themselves "Sanctuary Cities", which in the author's opinion is apparently sending Canada down the toilet. But, even so, that article briefly mentions how "Our rules are tough but fair, they’re applied evenly and they focus on bringing the best people to Canada and benefiting all Canadians."
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No, Europe just has communists, fascists, socialists, and Christian conservatives in pretty much every European parliament. European politicians don't even rise up to the level of Trump, having spent their entire careers on nothing else than brown nosing within their respective party hierarchies, utterly unaccomplished at anything else. And it's not like European politicians deliver the goods: if European nations were US states, they would mostly be at or below the poorest US states, but with the liberties and opportunities that Americans enjoy.
But by all means, American progressives, do go to Europe and integrate into those societies; but don't do so keeping your US citizenship as a safety net, because that's cheating.
I'd pick Russia any day. The other day, read about a group of Muslim rapefugees who were dropped by the Norwegians into Murmansk. They tried doing their usual stuff, and got beaten up by the Russians. If the Russkies had any sense, they'd have subsequently flown them to Turkmenistan. One thing Stalin did well - deport the Crimean Tatars to Uzbekistan.
Say what you want about Putin, or for that matter, the Russians, but they know how to deal with Muslims. Having historically had to live w/ the Tatars doing things like burning down Moscow on 2 occasions, the Kazakhs raiding their borders and taking slaves & raping women, and the Chechens. Which is why Europe is pretty clueless on how to handle them, but Russia ain't.
Most interesting thing I notice - even while the former Warsaw Pact countries are doing everything to distance themselves from Russia and ingratiate themselves w/ Europe, there is one place where they draw the line: throwing open their countries to Muslim rapefugees. Which is why, even while in Germany, there are signs in public places in Arabic telling people not to grope women, none of that has had to happen in places like Krakow, Bratislava, Timisoara, Ostrava or other such places. And people of Western Europe are just looking at them in envy, while the EU is fuming at them being relative rape free zones.