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First Evidence That Social Bots Play a Major Role In Spreading Fake News (technologyreview.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Researchers from Indiana University in Bloomington provide an answer for how social bots play a major role in spreading fake news. MIT Technology Review reports: "At issue is the publication of news that is false or misleading. So widespread has this become that a number of independent fact-checking organizations have emerged to establish the veracity of online information. These include snopes.com, politifact.com, and factcheck.org. These sites list 122 websites that routinely publish fake news. These fake news sites include infowars.com, breitbart.com, politicususa.com, and theonion.com. 'We did not exclude satire because many fake-news sources label their content as satirical, making the distinction problematic,' say researcher Chengcheng Shao and co. Shao and co then monitored some 400,000 claims made by these websites and studied the way they spread through Twitter. They did this by collecting some 14 million Twitter posts that mentioned these claims. At the same time, the team monitored some 15,000 stories written by fact-checking organizations and over a million Twitter posts that mention them. Next, Shao and co looked at the Twitter accounts that spread this news, collecting up to 200 of each account's most recent tweets. In this way, the team could study the tweeting behavior and work out whether the accounts were most likely run by humans or by bots. Having made a judgment on the ownership of each account, the team finally looked at the way humans and bots spread fake news and fact-checked news.

'Accounts that actively spread misinformation are significantly more likely to be bots,' say Shao and co. 'Social bots play a key role in the spread of fake news.' Shad and co say bots play a particularly significant role in the spread of fake news soon after it is published. What's more, these bots are programmed to direct their tweets at influential users. 'Automated accounts are particularly active in the early spreading phases of viral claims, and tend to target influential users,' say Shao and co."

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  1. marking theonoin.com as fake news ... by thesjaakspoiler · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    proves exactly how much value we should attribute to these so-called 'fact-checking organizations'.

    1. Re: marking theonoin.com as fake news ... by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      There's often some truth in what's declared as fake news, and some is true and politically incorrect. So labeling sites as fakw news sites will achieve the result that people stop their critical thinking, introduction of the ministry of truth and making people in general falling victims to scams easier.

      Don't handicap people by making their life too easy. (Paraphrasing Heinlein)

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    2. Re: marking theonoin.com as fake news ... by johanw · · Score: 1

      Eventually people will consider the label "Fake news" as a recommendation.

    3. Re:marking theonoin.com as fake news ... by shaitand · · Score: 1

      No, they listed a rationale. The why is to present an credibility equivalence between the sources they've declared as fake news and the well known parody site.

  2. PolitiFact - Close Enough By A Mile Is Okay By Us! by poity · · Score: 4, Informative

    Even after several news organizations apologized and retracted their statements about "17 intelligence organizations all agreeing", Politifact continued to offer apologetics for their favored media outlets, saying it wasn't a big deal (being factually incorrect), as long as the overall notion was in the right direction.

    http://www.politifact.com/trut...

    Contrast this to the near anal-retentive literal manner in which PolitiFact analyzes other stories.

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  3. Is Breitbart actually fake news? by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Can someone link to a Breitbart article that's actually fake news?

    From what I've read, their reporting is very tight, usually with references to whatever it is they're talking about.

    Yes, they have a conservative bias, but bias is not the same thing as fake.

    1. Re:Is Breitbart actually fake news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh, sweetie. Did you not hear? It's the current year. Anything right of Stalin is now "fake news" and Russian Hacking(tm). Sorry you didn't get the memo.

    2. Re:Is Breitbart actually fake news? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      bias is not the same thing as fake.

      Somebody should tell the president.

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    3. Re:Is Breitbart actually fake news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Wikipedia has a list of notable articles they ran - many of them now debunked as false.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breitbart_News#Notable_stories

    4. Re:Is Breitbart actually fake news? by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 4, Informative

      Can someone link to a Breitbart article that's actually fake news?

      Here you go: http://www.breitbart.com/londo...

      The weather channel was displeased: https://weather.com/news/news/...

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    5. Re:Is Breitbart actually fake news? by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 2

      If you get your news from social media, as most Americans do [7], you are exposed to a daily dose of false or misleading content — hoaxes, rumors, conspiracy theories, fabricated reports, click-bait headlines, and even satire. We refer to this misinformation collectively as false or fake news.

      The idea here is that Breitbart is misleading and thus misinforming people. Given that a recent headline of theirs is "Planned Parenthood to Spend $3M to Back Democrat in Virginia Governor Race", I would say that misleading is accurate description.

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    6. Re: Is Breitbart actually fake news? by Z00L00K · · Score: 2

      Somebody tried to tell Putin, Erdogan, Maduro etc. and got 6 feet.

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    7. Re:Is Breitbart actually fake news? by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Strange. I googled that phrase, and found numerous other sites saying the same thing. Maybe they know something you don't know.

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    8. Re:Is Breitbart actually fake news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ACORN undercover videos
      " the most damning words match the transcripts and the audio, and do not seem out of context." - NYT Public Editor

      Shirley Sherrod
      NAACP audience reacts favorably to admission of anti-white racial bias. Other non-breitbart entities overreact before seeing full video. Sources of the original article seem to be down, so can't evaluate further.

      Anthony Weiner
      Lol

      Friends of Hamas
      Surely no MSM outlet would publish anonymous claims from government insiders without independently verifying them...

      Nancy Pelosi/Miley Cyrus ad campaign
      Double lol

      Misidentification of Loretta Lynch
      Sloppy mistake quickly corrected.

      Conspiracy theories about President Obama
      >"According to the New York Times, Breitbart News promoted the falsehood that President Obama was a Kenyan-born Muslim."
      Whoever wrote this refuses to link the original article(s), and apparently hasn't seen it himself, relying only on the NYT to tell him about their existence. Can't judge further.
      >"In June 2016, Breitbart News falsely claimed President Obama supported terrorists."
      The article is essentially a repost of a state department memo obtained by Judicial Watch that literally says "The West (and others) support the opposition." where the 'opposition' is described in the previous sentence as Al Qaeda+Muslim Brotherhood+Salafist.
      >Obama had wiretapped Donald Trump during Trump's 2016 presidential campaign.
      Unless you want to be ultra-pedantic about the definition of "wiretap", that actually happened.

      Conspiracy theories about Hillary Clinton
      >Pizzagate
      The only citation is a dailybeast article that references a breitbart *tweet* that at most gives the story a nod.
      >Roger Stone
      We're judging outlets by their craziest contributors now? I heartily encourage this.

      False report of Muslim mob in Germany
      So it was only 50-70 people chanting Allahu Akbar - not 1000 - and the fire was only *near* the church. But it's fine when CNN spends all day trying to think of reasons Trump could be impeached for what he tweeted that morning.

      Climate change denial
      >In November 2016, Breitbart published an article by James Delingpole...
      A bit of liberal-mocking surrounding large exerpts of a daily mail article with the real meat. If the article is wrong it's on DM not breitbart.

    9. Re:Is Breitbart actually fake news? by locketine · · Score: 1

      I'm no fan of Breitbart but I don't think your example is evidence of fake news. It's definitely an example of bias and cherry picking data, as mentioned in the WC response, but it's not fake news. Fake news invents "facts", mis-attributes quotes, makes statements that aren't backed by their own sources, flat out lies, etc. The Breitbart article in question didn't do any of that as far as I can tell. The Daily Mail article they referenced had similar conclusions as the Breitbart article and while they're both low quality journalism outlets, neither is a purveyor of fake news in my opinion.

      I would love to have a clear cut example of Breitbart spreading fake news so that I could get some of my friends to stop reading that trash; So please let me know if you find one.

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    10. Re:Is Breitbart actually fake news? by fafalone · · Score: 2

      The president can't even get past calling unflattering facts fake news, good luck getting him to comprehend the difference between bias and fake... like teaching astrophysics to a chimp.

    11. Re:Is Breitbart actually fake news? by locketine · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I read through that list and researched five of the most egregious sounding claims supposedly made by Breitbart. Some of the claims against Breitbart's involvement, exaggerated that involvement. There was an example of Breitbart publishing a mistake and later retracting it; this is actually the closest they came to publishing fake news from all the examples I looked at but it could have very easily been mistake. I didn't actually find an example of a Breitbart article that was debunked, but there were definitely stories that they were involved in supporting that have been debunked.

      Breitbart is not a high quality news media outlet in my opinion, but I've yet to find anything I can point at as conclusive proof that they have published fake news. There's definitely misleading/biased articles I can point at but that's not the same thing and anyone can find an example of that in a more respectable news outlet like the New York Times.

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    12. Re:Is Breitbart actually fake news? by jbmartin6 · · Score: 1

      Remember that "misleading" is also one of the elements in play. A very flexible term to be sure, and technically covers almost any news outlet to one degree or another. But when misleading or extremely exaggerated are the norms, it seems safe to put the site in a separate category.

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    13. Re:Is Breitbart actually fake news? by pastafazou · · Score: 1

      Except there's nothing false in the Breitbart article. Did you even read it? It links to an article published by the Daily Mail, and cites the source. The alleged refutation states that "This number comes from one satellite-based estimate of temperatures above land areas in the lower atmosphere. Data from the other two groups that regularly publish satellite-based temperature estimates show smaller drops". The refutation doesn't say why one is incorrect and the other two are correct, it doesn't say how much of a difference there is between the three, and it doesn't list the margin of error for any. Sorry, this isn't fake news.

    14. Re: Is Breitbart actually fake news? by ahoffer0 · · Score: 1

      I've never read Breitbart News. So I hopped over to their website just now. The head line was in large all capital letters. It declared that the Deep state was colluding with the media, soliciting anti Trump leaks.

      I thought to myself, regardless of the administration or the bias of the media organization, the media is always trying to get inside information from sources both inside government and outside. So the news from Breitbart was not fake. But it was trivial and sensationalist. It was piss poor journalism.

      Maybe instead of asking is it fake news, we should ask is it excrement?

    15. Re:Is Breitbart actually fake news? by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Breitbart is not a high quality news media outlet in my opinion, but I've yet to find anything I can point at as conclusive proof that they have published fake news. There's definitely misleading/biased articles I can point at but that's not the same thing and anyone can find an example of that in a more respectable news outlet like the New York Times.

      Erm, the Muslim mob in Germany that didn't happen. False reporting on the UK climate. Still to this day trying to claim Obama is a Kenyan Muslim... Hell, even Fox News gave up on that one years ago.

      I challenge you to find a Brietbart article that is accurate and factual (to the BBC standard). Hell, forget the BBC standards, find me one that doesn't rely on thought terminating cliches.

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    16. Re: Is Breitbart actually fake news? by locketine · · Score: 1

      The Muslim mob that didn't happen? There was the immigrant, mostly Muslim mob in Berlin last year that was widely reported but I doubt that's the one you're referring to.

      I don't frequent Breitbart but I tried to find an example of them claiming Obama is a Muslim and didn't find one. They've got some quotes talking about it but it's pretty mild stuff. I did find this interesting though: http://www.breitbart.com/2016-...

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  4. Social Bots Spreading Fake News by n329619 · · Score: 2

    Nah, 90% of twitter accounts are bots. The social bots are just entertaining their fellow bots.

    1. Re: Social Bots Spreading Fake News by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      So the Trump tweets are actually made by a bot. Would explain Trump - he's actually a bot. But so are most politicians.

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  5. By that standard, the New York Times is fake news by HBI · · Score: 2

    I'd run out of comment space before i'd get done with describing the issue, but i'll leave you with two words: Jayson Blair.

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  6. They've gone too far by El+Cubano · · Score: 2

    These sites list 122 websites that routinely publish fake news. These fake news sites include infowars.com, breitbart.com, politicususa.com, and theonion.com.[emphasis added.]

    Look, I get it: fake news, it's a problem. But let's not get carried away. The Onion publishes more factually correct stories than most major media outlets. Plus they are actually entertaining to read. Don't go messing with The Onion.

    1. Re:They've gone too far by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      One can read and still decide that the reasoning used is unsound. that clickbait fabrications sometimes call themselves satire for CYA purposes doesn't mean that it's logical to include The Onion.

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  7. BeauHD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    lol

  8. Real News by Slayer9275 · · Score: 1

    Daily Stormer has the best "Real News"

  9. Propaganda is not new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Propaganda isn't new. As long as there is money driving it, then it will spread by whatever available channels there are.

    Look, case in point, the Seth Rich story. Hannity launches a "Seth Rich was murdered for leaking, since he's the DNC leaker, Russia is innocent of DNC hacks, FBI investigator says so". That was pushed via Hannity on Fox News.

    This is falling apart now, and you can see the elements of it.

    http://www.npr.org/2017/08/01/540783715/lawsuit-alleges-fox-news-and-trump-supporter-created-fake-news-story

    1. Fox News hired an ex FBI investigator and scripted him a few lines. (Confirmed by the lawsuit from the investigator).
    2. This was coordinated with the Whitehouse, (confirmed by Sean Spicer).
    3. Fox News is providing cover for Russia, a fake alternate story to cover their hack of the election. i.e. Propaganda.
    4. You can see from the Hannity dinner with Trump, that the coordinating link from Hannity to the Whitehouse is direct to Donald Trump.

    And it's money that is the driver, not some sort of ideological belief.

    The money flow is simple, the sanctions against Russia are biting. Russian banks are reporting losses, and the economy is down. The sanctions have an economic value that can be sold. If it costs Russia $10 billion in sanctions losses, they'll happily pay $1 billion to overturn the sanctions.

    The money is funneled to key people, who in turn launder it down the propaganda feeding chain. Their motivation is money, pure and simple.

  10. Re:"Fact-checking organizations" by skids · · Score: 1, Informative

    I don't see anything in TFA that makes a claim as to which side of the political spectrum had more bots. Please do those anti-persecution-complex breathing exercises the shrink showed you.

  11. Re:By that standard, the New York Times is fake ne by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's something more recent: http://www.breitbart.com/big-g...
    The title doesn't match the content. Calling it misleading would be an understatement.

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  12. The original paper is surprising by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Here's a link to the original paper.

    A quick scan shows that they... apparently use every type of data representation. You'll find a scatter plot with non-linear regression, a joint distribution image, a histogram, line charts, diffusion networks, and a triangular distribution thingy where color indicates the log of the number of articles (what the heck is that called?).

    It plots the Gini coefficient of the various tweets. (I'll save you the trouble.)

    The paper goes from the introduction directly to the results, then the discussion, then talks about the methods afterwards. Is that typical? I always thought the methods section comes before the results.

    As near as I can tell, there is no supplemental data that indicates what their data is. Their entire paper relies on the correctness of "hoaxy" and "botometer".

    Taking "botometer" as an example, looking for an estimate of accuracy, I could find no papers in established journals about this service. There are a couple of conference papers though - will those do? None has an indication of how accurate the service is.

    So if "botometer" has an accuracy of 80%, which would be pretty good, and "hoaxy" had an accuracy of 80%, which would also be pretty good, then the results of the cited paper would be... how good?

    Looking at the paper, I have to wonder if it's an elaborate hoax.

    There's a *lot* of... um... surprising things about this paper.

    1. Re:The original paper is surprising by mentil · · Score: 1

      So you're saying the paper is fake news? Maybe it has every data type under the sun because it was written by a bot that didn't consider applicability.

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  13. So here's a problem or two by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

    Other than with one story ("Spirit Cooking"), the paper itself doesn't seem to break anything out by site or by story. What if 95% of these retweets are Items from the Onion?

    There's a hand-waving single statement at the end saying basically "we know people will complain about us including The Onion, so we left it out and looked again; but the results were all the same"... but without any actual data. If it didn't affect the results, why not show us? And, since it was indeed workable to leave The Onion out after all, why did the authors make a big deal regarding why they had to Include it in the first place?

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  14. Custom Fake News by mentil · · Score: 2

    I'm waiting for machine learning to be applied to big data on individuals' browsing habits and message history to figure out what individuals are likely to click on, with machine-written fake news articles custom-made for each click, guaranteed to be conformed to your biases and preconceptions. Once this gets turned from "profit-generating clickbait" to "self-writing custom propaganda" it's going to go from a big problem to a huge one. Sure, people can just read/watch trusted static news, but there will be an increasing sense that this is biased, because it doesn't conform to the viewer's own biases.

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    1. Re:Custom Fake News by l20502 · · Score: 1

      Hopefully more and more people will buy IoT devices that will be converted in perma-DDoS devices, let it all burn.

    2. Re:Custom Fake News by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      The most popular stories on Slashdot are the ones that attract lots of conservatives to moan about them. Based on that a machine learning system trained to get the most clicks would simply start trolling readers with things that make them angry.

      That's a proven technique, widely adopted by low grade news outlets such as Fox and the Daily Mail. Rage sells.

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  15. I've heard that AI is making jobs redundant.... by ihaveamo · · Score: 1

    Is this going to put the President out of business?

    1. Re:I've heard that AI is making jobs redundant.... by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 1

      Being President requires intelligence? That's a novel theory...

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  16. Re: Wow by Jesus+H+Rolle · · Score: 2

    The Singularity is upon us!

  17. What about MSM fake/fabricated news? by AnthonywC · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Did they include MSM sites like nytimes.com, cnn.com, washingtonpost.com, msnbc.com? They have their fair share of fake news.

    1. Re:What about MSM fake/fabricated news? by jbmartin6 · · Score: 1

      You could go back to Walter Duranty's Pulitzer prize winning fake news about the lack of famine in the Soviet Union, if you like. There is quite a bit of inaccurate reporting. But the parent's claim of "fair share" is ludicrous. The two sites are night and day when it comes to misleading headlines and articles.

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    2. Re:What about MSM fake/fabricated news? by PortHaven · · Score: 1

      No, care to use your login. I get asked this everytime, and it's not my responsibility to do research for you. If you'd like that information, I'll give you a discounted Slashdot member rate of $30/HR. However, you'll have to use a Slashdot login.

    3. Re:What about MSM fake/fabricated news? by tepples · · Score: 1

      I agree that it's not your job to back up AnthonywC's claim that those four domains publish fake news. It's the job of AnthonywC because he made that claim.

  18. Re:By that standard, the New York Times is fake ne by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 2

    They don't specify in the article where they get the $3million claim, but that doesn't make it fake news. Maybe they simply read about it at another site.

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  19. Lots of Bad News by kenwd0elq · · Score: 1

    Brietbart USED TO BE fairly reliable, when Breitbart and Drudge were running the place. Infowars, less so. TheOnion doesn't belong in this category, because it's OBVIOUSLY fake.

    I'm certain that there are more "progressive" fake news sites than putatively "conservative" ones. And the clickbait ads around all of them are even faker than the supposed news articles.

  20. Spirit cooking by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 2

    The paper calls out this Infowars spirit cooking article as an example of fake news and how it spreads. The diffusion chart for that one article takes up the entirety of page 4 of the paper.

    I reviewed that article, and couldn't find anything that was in any way "fake".

    John Podesta's brother forwarded an E-mail where Marina Abramovic invited them to a spirit cooking dinner. All of this is fact, made public when wikileaks published the actual E-mail.

    There's some background on spirit cooking (which I didn't check - looks legit), and some references to innuendo (which I *did* check - they're legit).

    Overall, there's nothing in the Infowars article that appears fake, or even blown out of proportion. Snopes.com pretty-much agrees with the facts laid out in the article.

    John Podesta didn't go to that dinner or participate in spirit cooking, and InforWars didn't say that he did!

    Not to take partisan shots here, but what part of that article is fake news?

  21. Bots do much more than spread fake news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Got a /. user ID lower than 1x10^6? All of your posts will be mocked by cowards. Why? The few who remember what this community was like 15 years ago could straight up tell you that bots have been running influence campaigns on this and every other social site that allow AC posts for well over 10 years now. Some keep hoping they will eventually get a life but sadly their will always be fuckwits only out for 'teh lulz'.

    /hire some real moderators, you greedy scumbag /. editors

  22. Re:By that standard, the New York Times is fake ne by OYAHHH · · Score: 2

    Um, What seems to be your beef with that article?

    Then title appears to me to correlate well with the article. $3 million will be spent by PP to support the Democratic nominee. That's what the article says. The article references a Washington Post article which says the same thing.

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  23. RUSSIAN TROLL!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The only thing "fake" are the Russian trolls trying to persuade public opinion using American social media!!! OMG, for months I have been coming across odd commentary that is seemingly pro-Trump or Republican - but has also maybe been a little off grammatically or ideologically incomplete or odd in some way.... turns out Russia has employed thousands and thousands of Russians to infiltrate American social media in mass in an attempt to sway public opinion!!! The question is "why?" Trump supporters, fair warning, stop being so brash and boastful - when you think you're in the company of many other supporters on social media - YOU ARE NOT - many of these supposed and perceived Trump supporters are actually Russian bots!!! Please, please, please AMERICANS PLEASE BEWARE - the enemy is here now as you read this, disguised as a Trump supporter but is really a RUSSIAN TROLL!!!

  24. Re:Wow by butzwonker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Slashdot has lost it a few years ago when it was overrun not with conservatives (nothing against them) but first with hordes of Putinbots and then with absolutely retarded alt-right followers who want to push their bizarre agenda. People who are full of hatred and don't give a shit about reality at all. These posters have successfully destroyed /. Talking about the political spectrum, it used to play no role and there also used to be many reasonable and well educated conservatives on this site, say 10-15 years ago, but most of them are long gone. I don't know what happened to them, maybe some of them got polarized and radicalized by recent US politics so much that they are no longer recognizable. US lefties have become more radical, too, of course, and these political 'debates' have become so vitriolic, they are no longer bearable for people outside the US. Let me assure you that nobody outside the US gives a shit about your president or your religious fanatism.

    What's going on on /. is just a mirror of what's going on in the US in general, but at least for /. my outlook is bleak. Strictly banning all political topics might help, but frankly speaking it would be best to close down the site. The current user demographics is no longer suitable for a tech-related site driven by user-submissions. I won't tell anyone here which other forums I use, for fear of attracting the trolls to them. Suffices to say that there are way better places nowadays than /.

  25. Re: "fake news" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Just like the inverse wisdom of those who think news explicitly labeled as satire makes the distinction more problematic instead of less.

  26. Click baits by DrYak · · Score: 2

    or maybe they are all running to get as much clicks (and ads revenue) as possible by quickly re-posting some sensationalist trash without much checking.

    The next step would to check the source mentioned in each of them and build a graph of the propagation.

    Then several possible outcome :
    - you'll go up stream until you find an actual report (the planned parenthood listing 3M spent on this politician on their taxt returns)
    - you'll go up stream until you find something that remotely looks like this if you squinit enough, which then got completely emplified along the buzz-click mill.
    (see PhDCommics' entry about news cycle).
    - you'll just see a giant cycle of people reposting each other's crap (with perhaps some tabloid citing "anonymous sources") (or outright telling that the info was leaked out of the secret base of Illuminati thanks to the action of alien spies)

    Mainstream news probably reached the same conclusion and that's why they aren't interested in reposting this shit :
    - they are not trying to "hide truth so the reptilian can keep opression the people"
    - they have simply found out that the fact don't add up and the information isn't worth publishing.

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  27. Alternative: Fact checking skill by DrYak · · Score: 1

    proves exactly how much value we should attribute to these so-called 'fact-checking organizations'.

    The alternative would be to equip the people with the (intellectual) tools, so they can make up their mind of their own.

    There are french teachers currently organising such classes in schools (media awareness).
    One of them has a youtube channel (sorry, everything in french currently), where he makes presentations about such media-critic methods, and also documents a colleague doing such a lesson in a classroom.

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  28. Re:"fake news" by bluelip · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The list of 'fake news' sites should have included Slashdot, CNN, and MSNBC. Snopes is not trustworthy either.

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  29. Re:"fake news" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You beat me to posting this! There seems to be a bit of a bias here in the list of sites posted. Claiming you fact check is as trustworthy as the fake news being examined. Let me guess, the Washington comPost is trustworthy, right?

  30. Silver lining by jbmartin6 · · Score: 1

    I'm probably crazy, but I found the observation "Accounts that actively spread misinformation are significantly more likely to be bots," quite reassuring.

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  31. Re:"fake news" by gnick · · Score: 5, Interesting

    OK, humoring you for a moment... name ONE credible conservative fact-checking site. Seriously. Just one.

    Does Just Facts count? They're a little different than the sites listed in TFS, but they're conservative and typically accurate.

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  32. Re:"fake news" by shaitand · · Score: 2

    There is a bias evident in the sites not listed there but those are certainly fake news sites. Slashdot is user submitted links to other sources so not really a fake news site. CNN, FOX, and NBC should all be listed. They aren't sites per say but factual and deliberately misrepresented news would include the Daily Show and The John Oliver show.

    The integrity of these shows ranks right up there with Ancient Aliens and UFO related shows on the History channel. Events and words presented may have actually taken place but they slice and dice them like a movie trailer to tell any story they want.

  33. Re:Wow by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

    a HUGE amount of the shit posters are NOT american.

  34. Re:"fake news" by gnick · · Score: 1

    They aren't sites per say but factual and deliberately misrepresented news would include the Daily Show and The John Oliver show.

    Just because The Daily Show and Last Week Tonight do a reasonable job of fact checking does not make them "news" any more than The Tonight Show. They're entertainment that happens to contain facts. They're closer to being satire than they are "misrepresented news". The Daily Show actually describes itself as "The Real Fake News". Anyone who uses these shows as "news sources" is ignorant of the news. That's not what Comedy Central or HBO are for.

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  35. What? by s.petry · · Score: 1

    "overrun not with conservatives"? Are you joking? People just got fed up with the bullshit narratives from the marxists and extreme leftists promoting whacko ideology over facts on a site that is supposed to be a "news for nerds" site.

    Today, you can't post without a high risk being modded a troll or flaimbait if you are a conservative. Rational dialogue has gone out the window, and the leftist extreme has become the celebrated and norm..

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  36. Re:PolitiFact - Close Enough By A Mile Is Okay By by cyberchondriac · · Score: 2

    And the fact that they're owned by the Miami Herald, which in turn is owned by the Poynter Institute for Journalism, which is openly left wing.
    I trust Snopes over Politifact. Politifact may bring objective facts to the table, but in the end, their final judgments are still subjective in terms of what constitutes a "mostly false vs. half true" type rating or similar, and it's in those judgments that their bias, however subtle, is often evident.

    Case in point, Michelle Obama's statement that the White House was "built by slaves"; Politifact rated this "Mostly True" despite their own article citing that slaves worked in the quarry cutting and supplying raw stone for the masons to refine and lay; as well as did some of the whitewashing (painting) on the finished building. No actual mention of them doing any of the actual masonry, carpentry, woodworking, metalworking, tiling, or plasterwork, and certainly none of the architecture/design. No actual building, as the word is understood. Most or all of this was done by local and European contractors (electricity and plumbing came later, I believe).

    That should reasonably earn her statement a "mostly false", or "half true" at best, as slaves were forced to work primarily in the capacity of suppliers, not builders.
    Her statement also entirely discounts the work of the non-slaves involved and overall gives a very incorrect impression; in addition, FWIW, the slaves were paid for their work as well, though they were not given a choice in the matter of doing the work.
    Somehow, they saw fit to give this a "Mostly True".

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  37. Fascist Left Losing Control of Narrative by Scroatzilla · · Score: 1

    Cut me a break. I love this bit, which immediately struck me as "brilliant" in that the audience they are pandering to typically have no senses of humor:

    >> We did not exclude satire because many fake-news sources label their content as satirical, making the distinction problematic

    And wow-- making the distinction problematic! The Left continues to reveal the disdain they have for the general public.

    If you are triggered by this (i.e. teeing up cliche insults and unintelligent slogans) but still reading it, here is some advice: When someone with an agenda tells you *not to read something*, you should read it. You might just find yourself with a new understanding of the world.

    (And no, Trump doesn't tell you to *not read* stuff. Actually, I think he's commenting on the death of legacy media quite nicely.)

  38. Re:"fake news" by shaitand · · Score: 1

    The same could be said of most of the programming on FOX. Sadly a huge majority of millennials do look to these shows as legitimate news sources with a comedic style delivery that allows them to be more honest. In fairness, in some cases that does come through. In other cases it does not. For instance the John Oliver show covered a range of topics that would be unpopular with the status quo, the secret treaties, attacks on net neutrality, pointing out problems with the insurance and healthcare industries, etc. But since Trump has been elected each and every episode has been largely focused on mocking Trump.

    In a story on gerrymandering a blatantly gerrymandered district in the NE was pointed out with the implication that the hidden truth was a minority group would be marginalized if it weren't districted in this way... remind me again how that isn't gerrymandering for the benefit of the party that group typically votes for and additionally a racist effort to disproportionately raise the voice a racial minority? John Oliver (show writers) know that full well, the delivery begged the question intentionally and that sort of rhetoric is designed to manipulate the opinions of those watching. That is the essence of fake news, whether it is Nancy Grace, Bill Mahr, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Tracy Maddock, Geraldo, Anderson Cooper, Wolf Blitzer, or John Oliver makes no difference. It's all fake news and propaganda (including strawman support points for the side you aren't supposed to take).

  39. Just as planned by Mozai · · Score: 1

    Sounds like the Paperclip Maximizer problem to me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... Gotta get that reader engagement, at any cost.

  40. Follow the money. by jbdigriz · · Score: 1

    There would sufficiently little incentive enough to preclude the use of bots to spread news, fake, real, or otherwise if it weren't for the prevailing ad-based revenue model of web publishing that panders to fear, greed, desire, and lowest common denominators in the attempt to push buttons to generate a profit or gain an electoral victory, regardless of cost. This is a broader problem than whether it's fake or not, or by whose standards. I'm afraid the MIT study, however informative, will likely be used to further the agenda for more centralized control of web publishing, totally at odds both with web history and freedom of speech. I'll bet my bottom dollar some Senate or Congressional staffer is preparing a bill right now. Yeah, they got yer network neutrality for you. The network will be so controlled you won't care any more. Click that bait. Yeah. Forget the 1st Amendment. MIght as well move to China.

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  41. GETTA OUTTA HERE !!!!! by sgt_doom · · Score: 1

    Back between 2004 to 2007, there were plenty of gov't proposal bids for G-Trolls, trolls hired through the State Department, FBI, NSA, CIA, etc. so this article is waaaaay off, as G-trolls are essentially Fake News to the max!

  42. Re:By that standard, the New York Times is fake ne by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

    As for the often stated claim that no one wants a late term abortion, and no doctor performs one unless medically necessary, remember Dr Gosnell.

    When your counter-example is someone engaging in felonious behavior,

    My counter example is proof of hundreds of women who wanted late term abortions, not for medical purposes, and a doctor and numerous assistants who provided them for years before his practice was finally brought to light.

    Actually, his practice was brought to light repeatedly over three decades, but nothing was done to close him down. For all his illegal and unethical practices, he apparently filled a role that the pro-choice establishment wanted filled. They were willing to ignore serious issues and allow him to continue with minor penalties, or let him move to another area where no one knew his past.

    In total during the course of his career, 46 known lawsuits had been filed against Gosnell over some 32 years.[30] Observers claimed that there was a complete failure by Pennsylvania regulators who had overlooked other repeated concerns brought to their attention, including lack of trained staff, "barbaric" conditions, and a high level of illegal late-term abortions.

    Also, do you really think Dr Gosnell is the only practitioner providing late term abortions? He is simply the one that finally killed one too many adult women and was no longer able to be protected.

    you might as well be citing Orville Lynn Majors as an argument against Euthanasia.

    Possibly, except for the distinction that euthanasia is generally done to prevent pain and suffering in patients who have terminal diseases, whereas Majors

    murdered patients who were demanding, whiny, or disproportionately added to his work load.

    Hmmm. Ending suffering and pain vs ending whining and increased workload. So you really consider Majors' actions to be that similar to euthanasia, to compare them to Dr Gosnell's actions being exactly like late term abortions? Please note that I didn't make any comment on the infanticide aspect of Dr Gosnell, to compare Majors' serial killing to. I strictly mentioned late term abortions, which many pro-choice advocates insist don't happen, but who still attack anyone who opposes them.

    The most your argument supports is the desirability of a modifier such as "competent" or "reasonable" instead.

    That's really relying too much on pedantry.

    The most my argument supports is the acknowledgement that late term abortions happen, for non-medical reasons, and with the knowledge and support of staff, regulators, politicians, women's groups, and thousands of women who have had them.

    I hate repeatedly asking this type of question, but do you honestly believe Dr Gosnell was a singular case, or that he was shut down after just a few ill-advised procedures? Do you not realize there was a network of people needed to keep him in business in multiple locations for three decades?

    And again, this is just in regards to the late term abortions. The multiple cases that were pure murder of a newborn should elevate this above anything else you care to reply with. Unless you argument is that a few cases of newborn murder are just the price of doing business for non-medically necessary late term abortions, and that a relatively few non-medically necessary late term abortions are the price to pay for medically necessary late term abortions, which are of course not that common in themselves, so this is really not a very important branch of the abortion issue.

    The problem with your opinion here is that you are still forcing some subset of women to carry a child to term, and insisting you have a right over the woman's body. To the hardcore feminists and their apologists, you are just

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  43. Re: "fake news" by KGIII · · Score: 1

    Per se, not per say.

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  44. Re:PolitiFact - Close Enough By A Mile Is Okay By by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

    So Home Depot/Lowes built your house?

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  45. Re:Wow by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    Heck, I found the Putinbots amusing. (Were they bots? I always assumed they were humans being paid.)

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