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Google May Be In Trouble For Firing James Damore (inc.com)

Google fired engineer James Damore after he wrote a 10-page document about "Google's Ideological Echo Chamber." taustin writes from a report via Inc. about the potential legal trouble the company may face from firing the "anti-diversity" engineer: Whether Demore is right or wrong, whether one agrees with him or not, Google may have legal trouble for firing him. Employees are protected by federal law when they discuss working conditions with other employees (and this was an internal memo). His memo could be considered whistleblowing, which is also protected (and it is very clear that he was fired as retribution). And, in California, political opinions are protected in the work place as well. Just because one side is wrong doesn't mean the other side is right.

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  1. Re:Enlightenment values by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    He should have worded it more like:
    Women are too socially aware to get holed up in the office fixing some esoteric 20 yr old code at 4am on a saturday
    while some other people take the credit and the money for fixing it
    and blame you for the problem to begin with since you were the only one willing to research and explain it...
    That's generally not their style and there probably is plenty of good genetic/social/pyschological literature on it which would be widely praised in a different context. A beta (meaning typical) man has nothing to offer if he can't fix that bug.

  2. Re:he's not a whistleblower by Rockoon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Whistleblowing implies that he was disclosing potentially illegal activity that google was engaging in.

    ..and what they are doing internally looks to be illegal if Google takes any State subsidies or contracts. Affirmative action is illegal in the State of California when State money is involved. This has been upheld by the State supreme court multiple times since Prop 209 passed in 1996.

    The internal policy isnt that teams should be "diverse." The internal policy is that teams must be "diverse."

    The more I learn about all of this, the more I think I was wrong the other day when I suggested that Google was in the clear legally. Its looking more like they are trying to cover up illegal acts.

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    "His name was James Damore."
  3. Re:he's not a whistleblower by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Show us on the doll where he shows a sexist viewpoint. Here's the document for your convenience; https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-Ideological-Echo-Chamber.pdf

  4. Re:They wont get in trouble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I mean, if I were in his position, I would take the settlement (if it were high enough), why would I want to go back to a den of screeching bigots who don't want me to be there?

  5. Good mind by Kokuyo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've just read his document. I must say, that was a very rational appeal to Google to bring more harmony and freedom into its culture.

    I must also say I see no hostility to anyone whatsoever. All he said was "Let's get away from this cult and be as productive (through enabling each and every Google employee to reach his full potential) as we can be".

    And he was fired for it. And THAT is exactly where the hate for SJWs comes from.

    For a long time I was kinda miffed that I don't have the background to have a chance to work for Google. Now I'm kinda glad... I don't think I would have liked that environment very much.

  6. May Be In Trouble For NOT Firing James Damore by necro81 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Since we are talking in the subjunctive tense...

    Google may have found itself in trouble for not firing James Damore. He contributes into the peer performance review system there, and he had openly expressed an opinion that women, as a category, aren't on a par with men with respect to coding. That presents a liability to Google from a different direction.

  7. Re:Pandering? by Rockoon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It was not a scientific paper nor was it based on scientific papers and it certainly did not use any scientific methods.

    He provided citation after citation to peer reviewed science all the way through his well written (as you admit) document.

    Furthermore, scientist after scientist are coming forward saying he is right about the science.

    Do you work for Google? Are you lying for Google right now? Why are you lying?

    --
    "His name was James Damore."
  8. Re: They wont get in trouble by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Of course one could complain that there's no way in hell that a proper scientific study to examine those hypothesis will get funded/published because it's just such a taboo subject. However lacking such a study, it's not appropriate to lean into a convenient hypothesis supporting your personal world view.

    There absolutely is. You just have to reword it. You need to look at 2D:4D (Index to Ring Finger Ratio). The ratio is a physical attribute that has been linked to testosterone exposure in the womb.

    Take this study: http://opus.bath.ac.uk/21479/

    Three studies (N = 73,75,65) identified a consistent negative correlation between 2D:4D digit ratio and attainment (r 0.2). A fourth study (N = 119) found that 2D:4D digit ratio positively correlated with two indices of computer-related anxieties, as well as anxiety sensitivity (r = 0.32/0.51). These results suggest that males and females who have been exposed to higher levels of testosterone within the womb perform better upon academic assessments of Java-related programming ability within computer science education, and have lower levels of computer-related anxieties outside computer science education. Thus, the 2D:4D index of prenatal testosterone exposure correlated with the two factors that directly impact upon ICT engagement, which is increasingly essential to effectively participate within educational and occupational environments.

    Wiki has a whole host of other studies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    Specifically in the area of Cognition and personality low digit ratio has been linked to:

    • Assertiveness in females[9]
    • Psychoticism in females[81]
    • Aggression in males[17][82][83][84][85]
    • aggression in girls[86]
    • hyperactivity and poor social cognitive function in girls[87]
    • Masculinized handwriting in females[88]
    • Perceived 'dominance' and masculinity of man's face[89][90]
    • In an orchestral context, rank and musical ability in males[91]
    • Right hand low digit ratio predicts academic performance[92]
    • Mathematical ability[93]
    • Decreased mathematical ability[94]
    • Decreased empathy in response to adult testosterone levels[67]
    • higher propensity to attack without being provoked[95]
    • increased risk-taking behavior in men[96]
    • preference for normative behavior[97]
    • mean 2D:4D ratio among artists is lower than among controls[98]
    • higher numeracy (compared to literacy) in children[99]
    • higher criminal offending rates after puberty[100][101]
    • attenuated socio-affective skills[102]

    And high digit ratio:

    • Personality traits correlated with digit ratio, higher being more feminized[103][104][105]
    • greater Openness personality factor[106]
    • Paranormal and superstitious beliefs among men with a higher digit ratio[107]
    • Higher exam scores among male students[34][108]
    • Higher neuroticism in both sexes with higher right hand digit ratio[109] and on left hand in females[81]
    • Higher left hand digit ratio in response to high adult testosterone levels predicts musical orchestra rank in females.[110]
    • Higher verbal fluency in both sexes.[52]
    • Higher visual recall in females.[111]
    • Higher literacy (compared to numeracy) in children[99]

    None of those studies explicitly call out the results as based on gender, however the driving biological cause is testosterone exposure during development.

    It has been suggested by some scientists that the ratio of two digits in particular, the 2nd (index finger) and 4th (ring finger), is affected by exposure to androgens, e.g., testosterone while in the uterus and that this 2D:4D ratio can be consider

  9. Re: They wont get in trouble by phayes · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Then that should be the subject of the criticism.

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    Democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding what to have for lunch. Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the issue