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A New Amiga Will Go On Sale In Late 2017 (theregister.co.uk)

An anonymous reader quote the Register: The world's getting a new Amiga for Christmas. Yes, that Amiga -- the seminal Commodore microcomputers that brought mouse-driven GUIs plus slick and speedy graphics to the masses from 1985 to 1996... The platform died when Commodore went bankrupt, but enthusiasm for the Amiga persisted and various clones and efforts to preserve AmigaOS continue to this day. One such effort, from Apollo Accelerators, emerged last week: the company's forthcoming "Vampire V4" can work as a standalone Amiga or an accelerator for older Amigas... There's also 512MB of RAM, 40-and-44-pin FastIDE connectors, Ethernet, a pair of USB ports and MicroSD for storage [PDF]. Micro USB gets power to the board.
A school in Michigan used the same Amiga for 30 years. Whenever it broke, they actually phoned up the high school student who original set it up in 1987 and had him come over to fix it.

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  1. My 3rd computer was an Amiga by chuckugly · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My 3rd computer was an Amiga back in the late 1980s. Good machine, had some really good concepts for the time, and it was great to learn programming on.

    1. Re:My 3rd computer was an Amiga by Doctor_Jest · · Score: 2

      680x0 Assembly was elegant, intuitive, and a crap-ton better than Intel's nonsense. :)

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    2. Re:My 3rd computer was an Amiga by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      680x0 Assembly was elegant, intuitive, and a crap-ton better than Intel's nonsense. :)

      But there is a reason it is no longer used much. A single instruction could generate up to six page faults. The 68k put the C in CISC.

    3. Re:My 3rd computer was an Amiga by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It isn't used much any more because it was beaten by x86, three times:

      First, it lost to the x86 because x86 is assembly-source-code compatible with the 8080, making it easy to port CP/M software to PC/MS-DOS, giving the IBM PC a huge advantage over any 68k-based system in the early '80s, giving that platform a momentum which it never lost.

      Second, it lost to x86 because Intel was able to pump far more money into developing their architecture than Motorola was able to spend on theirs (see my first point!), so despite x86 being weird and inefficient, Intel eventually managed to develop it to the point where they were beating 68k on raw performance; IIRC it was the Pentium that finally buried 68k in terms of speed.

      Third, x86 beat 68k even worse, and started beating even the best RISC architectures, when clock speeds got so fast that the memory-to-CPU bottleneck became the determining factor of PC performance, and that bizarre-but-compact x86 instruction encoding became a major advantage.

      Nobody cares about that extreme case of six page faults. For one thing, on architectures that don't have this behavior, that same instruction would cause a segfault, and even on 68k, every halfway sane compiler avoids that nonsense by aligning variables to natural boundaries.

    4. Re:My 3rd computer was an Amiga by Megane · · Score: 5, Informative

      The real, real reason that 68k isn't used anymore is that Motorola fell for the PowerPC meme. 88K was supposedly a pretty decent architecture, and they killed both at the same time. Coldfire was just the scraps of 68K for the embedded market. Apple switched architectures twice because Motorola couldn't stay interested in making high-end desktop CPUs.

      The x86 instruction set was horrible, and Motorola could have used the same tricks on 68K that kept x86 going so long.

      But really, the root cause reason that 68k isn't used anymore happened in 1981 or so when IBM picked the 8088. There are various legends about what happened, but the most coherent intersection of them that I have been able to deduce is that Intel wanted the 68008 (because the 8-bit bus would let them make a cheaper system), Motorola didn't want to commit to their deadline, Intel went with the 8088, and then Motorola had the 68008 out by the deadline anyhow. It surely didn't help any that at the time (as related in the DTACK-Grounded newsletter), Motorola's marketing group really only wanted to sell the 68K for $10,000+ Unix systems, and couldn't be bothered with embedded or consumer customers.

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    5. Re:My 3rd computer was an Amiga by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 2

      there is a reason it is no longer used much.

      Because Motorola would not budge on price when IBM came to them wanting to use it in their new "PC", while second choice Intel would.

  2. Recipe... by null+etc. · · Score: 5, Funny

    This approach is a recipe for failure.

    One of the smartest people I know used to program emulators in FPGA. He programmed emulators for everything: TRS-80, TI-99/4A, Sinclair 1000, PDP-8, PDP-11, IBM zSeries, Cray, you name it. He eventually started doing contracts for major government contractors such as Boeing, Lockheed Martin, etc., and often for $200K to $600K a pop. He was very well respected in that community, and knew how to get around most of the problems inherent in FPGA emulation.

    Anyways, he was paid to do a few contracts for Amiga computers, and had the most trouble with them. Apparently, their custom, decentralized architecture introduced severe "resolution artifacts" (his words, not mine) into any emulated FPGA bus. Another huge problem was something that had to do with feedback loops introduced by eddy currents caused by some of the FPGA parallelization circuits that came about due to optimization algorithms for the silicon etching process.

    At the end of the day, he was very, very close to solving all of these problems, and he went outside to walk to the local 7-11 to get a Mountain Dew to refresh his energy. He crossed the wrong basketball court, however, and some local residents started getting into a beef with him, causing a lot of trouble. Those guys were clearly up to no good. End of story, his mother was afraid he'd get into more trouble in his neighborhood (after all, Philadelphia has one of the highest homicide rates in the country), so she sent him to live with his aunt in California. He took a cab to his aunt's house when he arrived at the airport, and was inspired by a pair of dice he saw hanging from the cabbie's review mirror. He thought to himself, "Life is a gamble, why waste time solving FPGA bus problems for antiquated architectures?" and gave it up in an instant. "Smell you later, dude!" he said, and sold all of his FPGA patents the next day.

    1. Re:Recipe... by gumbi+west · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wait, Will Smith used to write emulators?

  3. Loved my amiga. by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It was a wonderful machine.

    Great archictecture. I wrote "Spppaaaacee Acccce" (aka Space War) and got sued by Don Bluth for using the name (had no idea about the animated dragon's lair type game.

    Loved the implementation of Mech Force . We had 3 people buy amigas just to play that game on the amiga.

    Then it was ruined when ported to the PC as "Titans".

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    1. Re:Loved my amiga. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      I wrote "Spppaaaacee Acccce" (aka Space War) and got sued by Don Bluth for using the name (had no idea about the animated dragon's lair type game.

      Thank you for your service.

      I loved my Amiga, but now it's time for me to put aside childish things and have a computer that has more than 512mb of RAM. But I will forever remember fondly those days.

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  4. Kind of expensive by Stormwatch · · Score: 2

    The PDF says it will probably cost more than the current models, which go for ~$300 or more. Kind of expensive when you could easily get a modern PC for about the same price. I mean, it's not an absurd price, but definitely niche stuff.

  5. Re:Slavertisement like always by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In this case, at least, C) is incorrect. I assumed this was yet another company that had gotten questionable ownership of the trademark and was planning to launch an overpriced generic PC with "Amiga" on the case and a glitchy open-source emulator preloaded, but this is a real implementation of the architecture in hardware by people who care about the platform.

  6. fan cults by unixisc · · Score: 4, Funny

    How is that different from Linux users?

    1. Re:fan cults by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      Run Linux on Amigas, then you'd really have annoying fanboyz.

    2. Re:fan cults by Kinematics · · Score: 2

      I think you just proved unixisc's point.

  7. Software Emulator by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 3, Informative

    I loved my Amiga, but now it's time for me to put aside childish things...

    ...and just use a free, open source software emulator if I ever want to reminisce. Why would you want to spend good money on hardware to emulate an old machine when there is a free software emulator to run it on the machine you already have at faster speeds than the original?

    1. Re:Software Emulator by t0qer · · Score: 2

      > ...and just use a free, open source software emulator [fs-uae.net] if I ever want to reminisce.

      I can dole out upvotes in the thread, but I feel it's important to address this.

      Emulators miss ALOT. It's just not the same. It's like the difference between CRT and LCD monitors. LCD's are convenient because they're portable (much like an emulator), but I've had CRT's that could do 120hz in the 90's. I love using SID as an example because so many people know what a SID chip is. Sure, you can emulate a SID, but it just doesn't have the same warmth or character that a real SID chip has. I don't know anybody that was connecting their computers to anything other than the TV speaker in those days, but even that crappy tinny speaker is part of what we remember about that era. Emulating through today's modern 5.1 speakers let's you hear every single miss the emulator makes.

      That being said, there's still die hards for some of the original equipment. I think Fatboy Slim still has an atari ST for stuff. Sure he could use an emulator, but you miss on on all the cool stuff, like the odd refresh rate of those atari monitors, the silky smoothness of the bit blittered mouse.

      So that's why there's still a market for these kinds of upgrades. It's either an enhancement, or replacement for that original hardware, running at modern speeds, but with the same old warmth, grace and feel.

  8. Re:30 years of tech support. by Doctor_Jest · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think the point the AC was making was that people are still enthused about a computer that came out in 1985. (ish?) I still have my Amiga I bought used with the 512K expansion pack (with the battery removed of course.) Lots of overtime at the local car dealership washing cars for that one. :)

    There is no such enthusiasm for the 8088's. Most of the support those old behemoths get are from the sheer number of them rotting in storage buildings and at the local Goodwill. The Amiga's like a vintage automobile. It's got a loyal following, a bunch of 3rd party support and enthusiasts, and a wealth of games and apps that were truly ahead of their time. Thanks to Commodore's board, the Amiga died prematurely, IMHO.

    I admit, I only use Amiga through emulation these days, but I did all my college work on my A500 up until I found Slackware Linux my senior year. :)

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    It's the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man.
  9. Re:Amiga by ElGuapo2872 · · Score: 2

    The best way to get to an Amiga fan boy is to tell them that Atari was first. Everyone has a button

  10. Re:Slavertisement like always by amiga3D · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's only a hobby, only a hobby, only a hobby, only a....

  11. Re:Amiga by lucm · · Score: 4, Funny

    The thing about Amiga owners is you can't get them to shut up about their Amiga. It's like the guy who doesn't have a TV, or the guy who rides a bike to work.

    A tornado just tore a path across your city, leveling buildings and splintering concrete structures. Your home is no longer safe, subjected to countless fires, seeping sewage, wild animals and violent looters that even the National Guard can't tame, so like hundreds - thousands - of other citizens, you find yourself waiting in line to get into an emergency shelter put together haphazardly in the mold-infested gymnasium of the nearby middle school.

    The line doesn't move fast, and you're worried as you see the absurdly small crate of water bottles shrinking quickly as people ahead of you greedily grab two, three or even four bottles as they walk by. You try to do the math, half-guessing, half-dreading that there won't be any water left by the time you reach the gate. You already have a debilitating headache because of dehydration; the situation is dire, the future uncertain.

    Then someone puts a hand on your shoulder.

    "Friend," says an older gentleman, his voice so soft, so quiet, like a cool summer breeze. "Friend," he says, "are you okay?"

    There's something in his eye. A glint, a shadow, a whisper of past experiences so painful that they left a permanent mark on his soul.

    "I'm okay," you reply, weakly, with a voice crackling like a pane of glass shattered by the axe of a firefighter. "I'm okay."

    The kind man nods, although you can tell he's still worried.

    "I'm okay," you repeat. "I just wish I could go back home, to my Amiga computer."

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    lucm, indeed.
  12. Re:Amiga by johannesg · · Score: 2

    At least my Amiga doesn't run systemd.

    Former Amiga owner. No TV. RIdes bike to work. Yep, all three boxes crossed...

  13. Re:Still pointless by citizenr · · Score: 2

    And what Amiga software is out there that anyone would actually want to use? Besides games?

    SYSINFO, that is the sole purpose of Amiga hardware accelerators these days.

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  14. Re:Still and emulation by not+flu · · Score: 2

    This doesn't mean it can't get closer to the original. Hardware emulation introduces less latency than software emulation. This might not be important for turn based games or whatever but having responsive controls not only makes fast-paced games easier to play, it makes them feel more fun.