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From Google To Yahoo, Tech Grapples With White Male Discontent (bloomberg.com)

Reader joshtops shares a Bloomberg report: Google isn't the only Silicon Valley employer being accused of hostility to white men. Yahoo and Tata Consultancy Services were already fighting discrimination lawsuits brought by white men before Google engineer James Damore ignited a firestorm -- and got himself fired -- with an internal memo criticizing the company's diversity efforts and claiming women are biologically less suited than men to be engineers. The Yahoo case began last year when two men sued, claiming they'd been unfairly fired after managers allegedly manipulated performance evaluations to favor women. They claim Marissa Mayer approved the review process and was involved in their terminations, and last month a judge ordered the former chief executive be deposed. TCS, meanwhile, is fighting three men who claim the Mumbai-based firm discriminates against non-Indians at its U.S. offices.

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  1. White males lives matter! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    This is why we voted for TRUMP for protection - we are being oppressed at every turn - WMLM!

  2. "White male discontent"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I guess that's a... creative way to avoid telling the truth: GENOCIDE.

  3. Re:Need vs Politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    Gay white males? They are the only ones that exist if you believe pop culture. Look at any movie or TV show. Any queer character will almost always be a gay white dude.

    Now try looking for Trans, PoC, etc Queer people - yeah. They barely exist.

    Gay white males are the groups withing the lgbtqi+ spectrum that need the least help.

    Also, Fuck Milo.

  4. Re:False representation/slander? by m00sh · · Score: 3, Informative

    The memo not only does NOT make the claim that women are less suited to tech roles and leadership roles, it makes the counter claim, that men have designed those roles to make them less friendly to women and that by altering those roles we can improve diversity and decrease the gender gap.

    But I've yet to see a single neoliberal source treat the memo honestly, every neoliberal source I've seen treats Damore radically different than his behavior reflects. I don't agree with everything he says, but to claim he is against diversity is straight slander here.

    He says hiring standards had been lowered for diversity.

    Maybe he should have hiring standards had been changed, or hiring standards had been altered to accommodate but he said LOWERED.

  5. Fake Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The memo stated that women on average have more **INTEREST** towards people and a cooperative environment and that might detract possibly good candidates.

    He also suggested to focus more on peer programming and focus on making the environment less cutthroat and more welcoming to everybody.

  6. Re:False representation/slander? by lgw · · Score: 1, Informative

    It's fairly well known that Google lowered their standards for women to meet quotas. That must really suck if you're a top-notch woman working there, since there will always be that suspicion. What he wants is to change the job description such that you don't have to lower the standard, and yet engineers will be just as productive for Google. Sounds worthwhile to me, if you can pull it off.

    We all know engineering is a fairly collaborative process. When I interviewed at Google it was all "design this, code that", with a marked lack of discussion or back-and-forth for the interviewer. Creeped me out. Everywhere else I've been, you ask design questions in an interactive design session that is as much about "is this guy OK to work with" as the actual design, but Google wasn't that way at all.

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  7. Re:False representation/slander? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Informative

    He says hiring standards had been lowered for diversity.

    True. But he doesn't say that is because women are inherently less capable, but inherently less interested, so the standards have to be lowered because the female candidate pool is shallower.

    Disclaimer: I am just trying to clarify what James wrote. I am not agreeing with it. I like working with chicks.

  8. Stop lying about what the memo said! by K.+S.+Van+Horn · · Score: 5, Informative

    "an internal memo... claiming women are biologically less suited than men to be engineers."

    Goddamnit, have you people no shame whatsoever? THE MEMO DOES NOT SAY THIS. Why do you keep on repeating this lie?

  9. Re:False representation/slander? by sexconker · · Score: 4, Informative

    Except it was supported by his sources.

  10. claiming women are biologically less suited by Iamthecheese · · Score: 5, Informative

    Oh my god stop lying. He made no such claim. Stop pushing your agenda down my throat. Fuck

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  11. Re:Not a white male... by Cederic · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well, in the UK it's legal to hire a woman ahead of a man. To hire someone that's BME ("black or minority ethnic", a phrase in use in the UK) instead of someone that's white.
    Then there's the funding available for things like university grants.
    Plus there's the fact that women can retire with a state pension at a younger age than men.
    Perhaps you weren't aware that poor white boys have the lowest educational outcomes in the country right now?
    I'll close on the constant attacks in the media. Some are subtle, some are downright nasty, and many tacitly support anti-white and/or anti-male writings on less formal channels.

    Being blamed for all the woes in the world, getting no credit for individual achievement because of "privilege", seeing laws passed that discriminate against your gender and/or race? Yeah, I wonder how white men think they are being oppressed in this society.

  12. Re:Need vs Politics by avandesande · · Score: 3, Informative

    When I was a early teenager I became aware that there was a technical jobs thing at the local army base for high school students but when I went to apply I found out it was only for minorities. It didn't matter that parents were divorced and we were dirt poor being white was too much.

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  13. Re:Need vs Politics by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Informative

    Now, obviously foreigners (non-citizens) face massive systematic discrimination (perhaps even to the point of oppression) by the US government - facing severe restrictions on living and working and traveling anywhere...

    As they do everywhere in the world to a greater degree than in the US. Although only a few countries still have explicitly racial immigration policies (Japan), most countries are not as used to diversity as the US.

    In the US, the only right a naturalized citizen does not have is to become President, because this is an exception specified in the Constitution. In a certain neighboring country, the list of restrictions is a little more extensive.

    Under the Mexican constitution, naturalized citizens are prohibited from serving in a wide array of positions, mostly governmental. Naturalized Mexicans cannot occupy any of following posts:

    The Mexican military during peacetime[5]
    Policeman[5]
    Captain, pilot, or crew member on any[dubious – discuss] Mexican-flagged vessel or aircraft[5]
    President of Mexico[6]
    Member of the Congress of Mexico[7]
    Member of the Supreme Court of Mexico[8]
    Governor of a Mexican state[9]
    Mayor or member of the legislature of Mexico City[10]