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Toyota Patents Cloaking Device To Make Car Pillars Appear Transparent (thedrive.com)

Toyota has patented a cloaking device that aims to make big, chunky car pillars transparent. The "apparatuses and methods for making an object appear transparent" which Toyota just patented uses cleverly placed mirrors to bend light around an object making it visible from the other side. The Drive reports: So you're not really seeing through the pillars, you're seeing around them. This is a much cheaper option than adding more cameras and screens all over the place and much more realistic than Harry Potter's invisibility cloak. The patent was filed with the U.S. patent office by Toyota North America, so if Toyota does go forward with this technology, we can probably expect to see it in cars in the U.S.

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  1. Star Trek by Khyber · · Score: 3, Funny

    So does this make the Americans or the Japanese the Romulans?

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  2. I'm not surprised its Toyota by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't know what it is—maybe a difference between the size of American roads and the size of Japanese roads—but every Toyota I've ever been in is built in such a way as to make it very likely that you'll run over a pedestrian who has just entered the crosswalk.

    Every time I approach a 4-way stop or some other intersection in a Toyota, I've got wiggle my head wildly this way and that to make sure I get a good view behind the "pillars". Surely, Toyota has received complaints, and thus Toyota has come up with a solution.

  3. it's gotten ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    my 2017 car has 12 airbags with 6 in the pillars and all the pillars are as thick as coffee cups and i cant see shit out of any other window but the windshield

    1. Re:it's gotten ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Windshield is the only window you need.

      Remember, if it is not straight in front of you it does not exist.

    2. Re:it's gotten ridiculous by Grishnakh · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's why you're supposed to have a blind spot and rear cross-traffic warning system.

      Seriously, though, my 2015 car also has poorer visibility than older cars I've had, but honestly I don't have much trouble with it. The main problem is the blind spot and also the rear view when backing out, but it's not a problem: my BSM works great when changing lanes, in conjunction with the big side mirrors (these mirrors are larger than any I've ever had, I'm sure), and when backing out I have a rearview camera plus the BSM turns into a RCTA (rear cross-traffic alert), and even warns me if there's pedestrians walking behind me, as well as oncoming cars. It's not foolproof and you still need to be aware of your surroundings of course, but overall with these aids I'm sure I'm safer (esp. when backing up) than in any of the older cars I've driven that had more of a "greenhouse". The thick front pillars are a bit of a problem though, and not currently alleviated by any technology, so I do have to make sure to check extra carefully for pedestrians.

    3. Re:it's gotten ridiculous by Grishnakh · · Score: 5, Informative

      Do you want to die when you have a small accident? That's why.

      Lots of glass means not so much steel to protect you from side impacts. Airbags in the A-pillars keep you from dying or being maimed in many types of accidents.

      Also, these "workarounds" work a lot better than using your eyes. Rearview cameras have fisheye lenses for a much wider field-of-view than you normally have, and they show you what's directly behind the car. Many children are run over every year by their parents or others when backing out of driveways. It's physically impossible to see a child directly behind a car from the driver's seat, even in older cars. And when I'm backing out of tight parking spaces, the radars in my rear bumper can see oncoming traffic that it's physically impossible for me to see from the driver's seat.

    4. Re:it's gotten ridiculous by Z00L00K · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The reason is that the A-pillar has to be stronger today to cope with crash test requirements. The more sloping windscreens initiated by the hunt for lower aerodynamic drag also contributes to put the A-pillar closer to your eyes.

      At the same time many vehicle manufacturers now work on replacing the exterior mirrors with cameras. It's not necessarily a good thing from all perspectives though as it's one more thing that can fail and something that makes the vehicles even more expensive.

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    5. Re:it's gotten ridiculous by Grishnakh · · Score: 4, Informative

      I disagree about them being more expensive. The cameras they use in cars aren't super-high-res like the ones in modern phones, and are really quite cheap. You can get Chinese backup camera systems on Ebay for under $100 now, and that's including the monitor! The cost to an auto OEM for just a backup camera is going to be a fraction of that. Now go look at how much a replacement rearview mirror (for the sides) costs; they're not that cheap, between the big, complex housing (which also folds in, either manually or powered), plus the glass mirror, plus the heating element (many mirrors now are heated), plus the motors to move it around, etc. Replacing all that with a camera would be a big cost savings, and small LCD screens are pretty cheap these days too. However it hasn't happened yet as the regulatory agencies haven't OKed it, but it's coming. It's also questionable how it'll be done; probably smaller monitors mounted near where today's mirrors are, to ease the transition. But they are really handy; I've driven a family member's minivan that has a camera on the right-side mirror, and when you signal a right turn it shows the image on the dash monitor. It shows a nice view that's a lot better than what I'd see with just the mirror, the main problem is it isn't always-on, and it doesn't integrate that well with the existing mirror (the display is in the middle of the dash, not near the mirror).

      As for sloping windscreens, that's nothing new. My 2015 car's windscreen isn't any more sloped than the one on my old 1994 Integra, in fact it seems a little less so, though I haven't directly measured them to compare. It's the airbags in the pillar, plus the greater strength needed for modern crash (rollover) standards.

    6. Re:it's gotten ridiculous by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      ; I've driven a family member's minivan that has a camera on the right-side mirror, and when you signal a right turn it shows the image on the dash monitor. It shows a nice view that's a lot better than what I'd see with just the mirror, the main problem is it isn't always-on, and it doesn't integrate that well with the existing mirror (the display is in the middle of the dash, not near the mirror).

      Ow, whiplash alert.

      They will put the displays near where you're looking - the worst thing int he world would be to put the mirror display on the center dash, so you have to look at the center dash, then flick your head around to do a shoulder check. It would also allow for always-on mirrors so you can monitor the lane next to you for opportunities to make a lane change.

      But the nice thing would be they can offer a greater field of view and reduce the size of the blind spot. You can also expect computer vision to be integrated to point out potential hazards similar to the current blind spot detection systems today.

    7. Re:it's gotten ridiculous by Bearhouse · · Score: 2

      Yes, but have a high-speed accident that completely wrecks your car (and several others) then just get out and walk away, and you'll thank all those airbags. (Happened to me).

    8. Re:it's gotten ridiculous by xlsior · · Score: 2

      When are we supposed to "invent" transparent aluminium? Some time in the 80s I thought...

      Aluminum Oxynitride, a.k.a. 'transparent aluminum', with production methods patented in the early 80's: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    9. Re: it's gotten ridiculous by ffreeloader · · Score: 2

      Whoosh yourself. It appears your sarcasm detector has misfired.

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    10. Re:it's gotten ridiculous by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      I'm not wrong. You're talking about dealer-added options; those things are *always* massively overpriced. Cameras aren't dealer-added options; in this scenario, we're talking about replacing the mirrors with them. That makes them factory-standard. Cars with airbags don't cost a fortune now, as you can get very cheap little economy cars that have a bunch of them. Standard parts do not add much to a car's price tag, if any. Even many other things that are parts of (factory) option packages now are pretty cheap: it doesn't cost that much to get an option package that has heated leather seats, sunroof, etc. Maybe 1-2 thousand, but imagine how much it'd cost to add that stuff at aftermarket prices (from independent shops). Heck, I looked into aftermarket leather sets for my car not long ago out of curiosity (my car has them, but it's an option package), and it was at least $2k IIRC, and that was just for the parts! (It's on online store, you have to install them yourself or take it to an auto upholsterer.) It was way more cost-effective to just buy the car with the leather package, and then get the sunroof, heated seats and mirrors, and whatever else came in the option package/trim level.

      Anyway, point is, standard features that are installed on every single car of a particular model at the factory do not add much to the cost, if any (since the base model price is set by market forces). When all the cars in that class, or perhaps all cars even made, have that feature, there's no additional cost to it.

      As for OEM replacement part prices, that's nothing new either; they always charge more for that because they can. And dealership prices are even worse. Don't break it. And if you do, don't be stupid enough to go to the dealer for an OEM part; how dumb is that? You can get OEM parts on the internet for typically 30% off dealer prices at numerous parts stores. Cameras, like anything electronic, aren't items that usually fail during the life of the vehicle. And you can always buy salvage parts on Ebay. For comparison, look how much it costs to replace a door mirror (either just the glass, or the whole assembly); those aren't cheap either.

  4. Car pillars? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oh the thing that attaches the roof to the car. At first I thought they meant the concrete pillars put up to stop cars from driving into businesses. It would be really dumb for those to be transparent. People on foot run into them enough as is LOL.

    1. Re:Car pillars? by turkeydance · · Score: 2

      yes. the A pillar, B and C. A is front windshield B is middle and C is the rear. Left and Right

    2. Re:Car pillars? by Infiniti2000 · · Score: 2

      Not common. Probably easy to deduce from the summary, but out of context and prior to reading this, I would honestly be confused about the term "car pillar."

  5. Re:Why? by jtara · · Score: 2

    Who said that "the goal is driverless"?

    But if you assume that it is, then for the same reason as the Scenicruiser and railway-car observation domes - rider experience. Allow the rider to enjoy the scenery unimpeded.

    But, anyhoo, the cynic in me says that perhaps they would only implement this on driverless cars - because to put it in a car with a driver might prove a liability. What happens if the it fails? Will drivers sue Toyota because they didn't see something that was blocked by the pillar, or if they misperceived the location of something due to some malfunction? (I realize it is mirrors, not cameras and displays - but "malfunction" is still possible - e.g. broken or misaligned mirrors.)

  6. Re:I just bought a toyota for my kid by freeze128 · · Score: 2

    My uncle's 1943 pickup had a small oval window in the back. You don't know what ridiculous is.

  7. Re:Why? by nospam007 · · Score: 2

    *"If the goal is driverless then why worry about field of vision?"

    It's done to enable people on the outside to see your new haircut.

  8. Flaws in the invention by hankwang · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you look at the front-page figure and Fig. 1 in the patent application, it will become apparent that the device only works for light rays entering at one particular angle. Essentially, it's like looking through louvers with an aspect ratio of 1:4 (fig. 1) or 1:6 (front page), which means that you won't be able to see through at all if your eyes are off by 25 cm horizontal at 1 m distance (i.e., passenger-side pillars) and whatever you see is substantially obscured for smaller angles. This is roughly how those 3M privacy screens for laptops work. That might be barely acceptable for the passenger-side pillars, but would be completely unworkable for the driver-side pillars.

    Moreover, the surfaces 126 and 146 in Fig. 2 will need to be polarizing filters or opaque black surfaces so that you don't get to see spurious overlaid images. If you make them black, you will have replaced the obscuration of the pillar by two big black sheets that are only invisible if you look at them from one particular angle. If you make them polarizing absorbers, good luck in manufacturing those such that they don't reflect at grazing-incidence angles. (Those surfaces are mentioned in paragraph 37, without further reasoning about the benefits or tradeoffs, suggesting that the inventors don't know yet how to deal with these issues.)

    By the way, the inventors have the polarizations the wrong way around in the figures. Although the correctly mention that p-polarization is transmitted and s-polarization is reflected, they have the arrows indicating the light polarization the wrong way around...

  9. Re:Why? by beanpoppa · · Score: 2

    I think that was parent's point. If the mirrors are misaligned, a driver might think that an obstacle was at 10 o'clock, when it was actually at 11 o'clock causing a collision.

    However, I don't think that this would be an impediment to put this into cars. In the past 10 years, there's been a proliferation of driver assist capabilities like backup cameras, radar collision detection, etc. All of which, should a 'misalignment' occur, could result in the driver having an accident and we haven't seen a barrage of lawsuits.