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Why Does Hollywood Remain Out of Step With the Body-Positive Movement? (nytimes.com)

According to a report from The New York Times, Hollywood continues to praise plus-sized actresses in knockout roles and then reduce them to bit parts about physical weight. Slashdot reader cdreimer shares an excerpt from the report: The first thing Danielle Macdonald did at the Cannes Film Festival in May was break into a cold sweat: The airline had lost her luggage. She was already nervous enough. Ms. Macdonald, 26, had been plucked from obscurity to play the lead role in "Patti Cake$," a drama about a rapper that was about to face the Cannes critics. Now she had to find something glamorous to wear -- pronto -- to the premiere. "As a bigger girl," Ms. Macdonald told me recently, "where was I meant to find something that would fit?" Her story then veered in an unexpected direction -- revealing her approach to Hollywood, which expects its lead actresses to be scarily skinny. "I gave myself a pep talk," she said. "This situation is what it is. Find a way to work around it." The red carpet crisis was resolved (another "Patti Cake$" star, Cathy Moriarty, lent her a black dress), but if the experiences of countless actresses before Ms. Macdonald are any indication, it will not be as easy to overcome the career obstacles that await her post-"Patti Cake$."

For women -- less so for men -- weight is perhaps the most stubborn of the entertainment industry's many biases. Have an average-sized body? Call us when you've starved yourself. In particular, Ms. Macdonald must avoid a cycle that plays out over and over in moviedom, one that some film agents coarsely call the fat flavor of the moment. A plus-size actress, almost always an unknown, lands the central role in a film and delivers a knockout performance. She is held up by producers and the entertainment news media as refreshing, long overdue evidence that Hollywood's insistence on microscopic waistlines is ending. And then she is slowly but surely pushed into bit parts, many of which are defined by weight.

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  1. Mo ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... ney.

    Next question, please.

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    1. Re:Mo ... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Next question, please.

      Okay, here is the next question: Why is it always about women? Why does Hollywood only use buff guys in leading roles? Why are the male sex symbols never short near-sighted bald guys with beer bellies?

    2. Re:Mo ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 5, Informative

      Money.

      Next question, please.

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    3. Re:Mo ... by penandpaper · · Score: 5, Insightful

      why is this topic on /. ?

    4. Re:Mo ... by Crashmarik · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Slashdot news for SJWs
      Stuff that doesn't matter in the slightest.

    5. Re: Mo ... by LifesABeach · · Score: 5, Funny

      The real question is, "does she use Linux?"

    6. Re:Mo ... by cervesaebraciator · · Score: 5, Funny
    7. Re:Mo ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 3, Informative

      Money.

      Next question, please.

      These are too easy.

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    8. Re:Mo ... by msauve · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Slashdot news for SJWs"

      There's not much new for them. They're way ahead of the news for stuff to be offended about.

      To the poster: attractive bodies of either sex are attractive, even if most of us aren't. Get over yourself and live with the fact that you're ugly. How old is this "body-positive" terminology, and where's the yin to the yang - is there a politically correct "body-negative" view? Sounds like a recent California manufactured thing to me. Sorry about you being unattractive and having to go for some "body-positive" shtick in a lame attempt to get laid..

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    9. Re:Mo ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Slashdot is now SJW/Politico central. Comments on SJW and political stories get significantly more comments than tech/nerd stories.

      Currently on the front page:

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    10. Re:Mo ... by saloomy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Every single study done by doctors and healthcare researchers says that being heavy, curvy, fat, or "voluptuous" is bad for your health, leads to a menagerie of diseases, and is the largest impactor of life expectancy, more so than income level.

      So, the "body positive" movement is really a "health - negative" movement. Sorry, but facts are facts.

    11. Re:Mo ... by rtb61 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Right letter 'M' wrong word, although one does lead to the other, especially when lies are being sold. 'M'arketing, PR=B$, selling lies for profit. In this case you must spend in a certain way to be desirable to the opposite sex and once together you must continue to spend or break up and try again. The biggest poseurs are the best people and you must spend big to achieve prominent poseur status. Not only that but you must spend much of it on PR=B$, paying people to tell other people how great you are, the core of US elections and hence mirrored in main stream media, especially Hollywood where the play left wingers in order to be rich and greedy right wingers who pretend to be Democrats for the people when they just Corporate Democrats, Democrats for corporations the other side Republicans, ohh, look they use the same people as well.

      The current big role of main stream media continuing the divide and conquer strategy, colour against colour, culture against culture, religion against religion and even sex against sex. This being sold by the fake arse SJWs backed by main stream media to break up workers = left and bosses = right (no need to explain why).

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    12. Re:Mo ... by Calydor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The healthy average is somewhere between Callista Flockhart and Honey Booboo.

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    13. Re: Mo ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't think the point is extrinsic. You're not trying to be happy with yourself so the world loves you, you're trying to be happy with who you are so you don't go through life suicidal that Megan Fox is something you can never be.

      Almost Confucian -- know where your place on society is, and be happy with your place. The eye will never rise above the eyebrow.

    14. Re:Mo ... by aevan · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not being able to go to the gym is immaterial. There are plenty of ways to exercise from your own apartment/home, without the need equipment or weights. Some without leaving your chair. It doesn't even require that much time either.

      Actual health issues though are certainly valid excuses. As could also be an inability to obtain affordable, healthier foods. Seems though that a large (pun unintended) vocal section of the 'body positivity' group are indifferent to actual attempts to be in shape, and rather just change society to favour them. Cries of 'Obese doesn't mean unhealthy' and spewing vitriol at anything not as massive as they are ('She isn't plus sized, she's only 170 lbs!') certainly don't help their position.

    15. Re:Mo ... by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Interesting

      it's not hard to just not shove food down your gullet in quantities that force your body to store fat and balloon to excessive sizes

      Reality disagrees with you.

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    16. Re:Mo ... by Wrath0fb0b · · Score: 3

      That's not surprising. Everyone can easily have an opinion on social or political topics -- they are salient and most people can grasp them. It's much more difficult to comment on complicated technical matters.

      This is related to Parkinson's Law.

    17. Re:Mo ... by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It really doesn't matter if they're making excuses, the fact is that positive reinforcement works better than negative reinforcement, especially for weight loss which is already often a response to depression from someone who has learned that food is the most likely source of good feelings in their life. If you go forth and make them feel worse, they're just going to eat more and get fatter. Even if you don't give a fuck about other humans on a personal level, if you don't like seeing fat people or if you don't like paying for their medical care, maybe you should just shut your piehole about their piehole.

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    18. Re:Mo ... by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Every single study done by doctors and healthcare researchers says that being heavy, curvy, fat, or "voluptuous" is bad for your health, leads to a menagerie of diseases, and is the largest impactor of life expectancy, more so than income level.

      So, the "body positive" movement is really a "health - negative" movement. Sorry, but facts are facts.

      And besides...who wants to spend their hard earned money to watch ugly fat people sweat on the big screen?

      Movies are supposed to be about escapism to a large extent, so, why would one want to pay good $$$ when they already stare and deal with fat, average/ugly people on a daily basis.

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    19. Re: Mo ... by KGIII · · Score: 4, Funny

      That law is on shaky ground.

      I'll see myself out.

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  2. This isn't that complicated by JoshuaZ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hollywood is interested in making money. As long as people prefer to see a certain type of person movies will have more of those people because people will then buy more movie tickets. Most movie stars of both genders are people who are considered to be very good looking for the same reason. Unless you can change the culture, you need to threaten the bottom line. And the Fat Positive movement is still small enough that they are unlikely to be successful in that regard.

    1. Re:This isn't that complicated by DuckDodgers · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As much as this topic interests me, I'm not sure it's "news for nerds".

      Hollywood is more tolerant of chubby or fat guys in dramatic roles than women: John Goodman, Alec Baldwin, Bryan Cox, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Brendan Gleeson, Tom Hanks, etc.... even Jonah Hill and Jack Black have been cast in serious roles as fat guys. For fat women, typically if they're in the film or television they are the comic relief and the humor revolves partly around their size.

      As you said, Hollywood is interested in making money and even among men the great majority of primary characters in film and television roles are slim, attractive, and athletic. But I still think an imbalance exists.

    2. Re:This isn't that complicated by Orgasmatron · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The imbalance is in the human genome.

      A woman's suitability for mating is easy to assess visually, mostly. A man's is not, mostly.

      This is wired into us, all of us, at a very deep level. Even when mating isn't on the table, so to speak, we still recognize and respond to women visually - and women do it too! Even little babies do it before they've had a chance to be corrupted by evil white heteronormative cismail white evil bad culture. That means that good looking men get very little of the benefits of good looks that attractive women get, but conversely, unattractive men don't lose as much as unattractive women either.

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    3. Re:This isn't that complicated by Orgasmatron · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The genetic component of attraction seems to be small.

      Are you dumb enough that this is your main argument? I only ask because you are squaring up to do battle with an obvious strawman. Oh, shit, who am I talking to? Of course you are dumb enough for this.

      Let me clue you in. We are a sexual species. We have a dimorphic genome and dimorphic bodies. That means that we see signals of mating suitability in others. Those signals, and the reception of those signals, is one of the very highest callings of our genes and our bodies. This isn't a moral thing, or a cultural thing, it is simply because whenever a specific person or group of our species showed up that didn't prioritize breeding, well, let's just say that we aren't their offspring.

      On top of that, what is considered attractive turns out to be heavily influenced by make-up, hair styling and nowadays photoshopping.

      Don't confuse the preferences of non-breeding homosexuals (who have near total domination of the fashion "industry") with the preferences of men. Anyhow, thank you for agreeing with me on the core premise that the appearance of women is important.

      In any case, I think most guys eventually realize that they want someone they can form a deep relationship with, that they can talk to and build a life with, rather than someone who just looks hot.

      Now this is a cultural thing if ever there was one. Wanting to settle down with someone as a couple is not a human universal, it is something that a few cultures invented. It is a wildly successful idea, which is why it has been incorporated into so many cultures beyond the ones that invented it. But you don't need to look beyond the black-supermajority sections of the nearest American city to find a culture that doesn't have any such notion.

      As for babies, that's probably because until the invention of formula milk they were reliant on women to survive.

      If that was the case, why would babies prefer the faces of attractive women? Wouldn't all babies be, according to your theory, boob men? Baby brains grow into adult brains under the guidance of the same DNA that created the baby brain in the first place.

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  3. Okay by pseudofrog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm a pro-social-justice person, and I defend a lot of /. stories that stretch the "News for nerds, stuff that matters" line. But no, this one really doesn't belong here. I get why it's here though: Touch on a social justice theme and the clicks and angry comments go on for hours.

  4. What the fuck am I doing at the TMZ website?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What the fuck am I doing at the TMZ website?! I thought I was visiting Slashdot!

  5. Howzabout "The airline lost my luggage" by Snotnose · · Score: 3, Funny

    And this is what I wore flying on it. Is that so bad? Seriously, has anyone on here who has flown more than 10 flights ever not had their luggage lost?

  6. What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Fuck this horseshit. I can't even go to a tech site without seeing this crap.

  7. Answer: Attractiveness by Kunedog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Customers spend more money on what they're attracted to. Stop trying to do "conversion therapy" on them like a 20th century Puritan who can't stand the thought of a gay man.

  8. What would be because 'Body Positivity' is a sham by Noishkel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is literally nothing positive about being fat. You feel worse, your cloths don't fit well, you smell bad, oh and it will FREAKING KILL YOU.

    I'm sorry, if that's so much of a hard reality then you really need to readdress your priority that you're personality is so fragile that you have to try to make everyone else feel as bad as you just to get by. But you're kill yourself, and encourage people to NOT try and address extreme weight issues is doing way more damage to other people that your own hurt feelings. Hey, I used to weight 370 pounds. Worked my literally ass off to get down to about 290. It's hard, it sucks, but it's what you have to do if you intend to make it past about 40.

  9. "AVERAGE SIZE" by bigwill666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I looked at 5 seconds of the trailer for that movie. I hope that lady is not average sized, or else this country is worse than I thought.

  10. Because they sell fantasies? by rsilvergun · · Score: 3, Insightful

    and nobody wants to look at regular people when fantasy is on parade. Folks either have to be really attractive (Brad Pitt/Megan Fox) or really not (Danny Davito/John Goodman). I don't need to see my coworkers in a bloody film.

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  11. Re:Mandarin vs. Cantonese by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Funny

    Come on Bill, this article is not worth your comment.

    Actually, for reasons I prefer not to disclose, I am very interested in how short near-sighted bald guys with beer bellies can become sex symbols.

  12. Who cares! by sidevans · · Score: 5, Informative

    Seriously /.

    Stop this crap.

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  13. Re:What would be because 'Body Positivity' is a sh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Exactly this. "Body Positive" is euphemism, it is code for "fat is OK". Fat is not OK. Normalizing fatness leads to more fatness. I read a study that determined that the best predictor of obesity was not genetics, it was your social circle. If you hang out with and associate with fat people, you are more likely to be fat. Obesity is a self perpetuating epidemic that has no upside.

  14. Re:Wrong! by ravenshrike · · Score: 3, Funny

    . The definition is conceptual, and comes from Socrates.

    Rather amusing given that social justice killed Socrates.

  15. Re:Mandarin vs. Cantonese by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, for reasons I prefer not to disclose, I am very interested in how short near-sighted bald guys with beer bellies can become sex symbols.

    Women will overlook a lot of physical shortcomings if you're a decent guy.

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  16. Re:Mandarin vs. Cantonese by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Quite a few happily look up to a midget standing on his wallet

    Short, funny little Mickey Rooney scored some of the hottest babage in the world, and it wasn't because of his wallet, since the women he banged were all much more successful than him. Elizabeth Taylor, Lana Turner, even Ava fucking Gardner, who on a scale of 1 to 10 was like an 18.

    Here is a photo of Ava Gardner while she was married to Mickey Rooney:

    https://www.oldtimeradiodownlo...

    and Lana Turner:

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ssV...

    And this is what Elizabeth Taylor looked like when Mickey Rooney was tapping that ass:

    https://vickielester.files.wor...

    Mickey Rooney was 5' 2" tall. For all the AAA poontang he had, his dick should be enshrined in the Smithsonian.

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  17. Re:Holy fuck Slashdot by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's not just liberal rage; this whole country is turning into a steaming pot of rage, threatening to boil over. It's not a good sign that there's so much clear division in this society now.

    Unfortunately, I really can't think of any really good historical parallels. 1930s Germany has some similarities, but unlike them our economy is pretty good (except for some people in it) and we didn't lose some big war we're paying reparations for and we don't have hyperinflation. The fall of Rome has some similarities, but I've never read about them having huge divisions in their society between certain groups of citizens becoming violently opposed to each other. The US before the Civil War has some similarities, but there the division was mainly between different regions (encompassing entire states), whereas here it's not so much, it's more urban vs. rural.

  18. Oh, for fuck's sake. by jcr · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is NOT "news for nerds," and it sure as fuck isn't "stuff that matters".

    -jcr

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  19. Re:Mandarin vs. Cantonese by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Funny

    Women will overlook a lot of physical shortcomings if you're a decent guy.

    Sure, but what if I'm not?

  20. Re:Mandarin vs. Cantonese by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Funny

    Sure, but what if I'm not?

    Then you have to take matters into your own hands.

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